Frugal Living: 22 new messages in 12 topics

Thursday, July 26, 2007

22 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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TOPIC: MAGIC TRICKS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b772c73e3da26773?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 3:50 pm
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"

On Jul 23, 2:13 am, takecare...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Secret of Magic Tricks are revealed here! Learn street magic
> tricks, bar magic tricks, card tricks, coin tricks, etc. Easy lessons
> and magician secrets revealed. Dedicated for beginners who want to
> start learning secret magic tricks step by step.
>
> http://secretmagictricks.blogspot.com/

In NYC
The Funny Store
a magic shop in business since 1974 is closing due to building being
torn down.

Probably will have a lot of bargains.
It is on 8 Avenue near 43 Street.

--
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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9ae679497789a49?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 3:53 pm
From: Dubh Ghall

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:48:38 -0500, bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

>In article <2eiea3t4ibls64rvi622oq8kkhohc6186f@4ax.com>,
> Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
>
>> Why were you gnashing your one tooth, was your one synapse,
>> overloading?
>
>y? because we like you em oh you ess ee

I'll take that as a "yes".

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 6:27 am
From: "John Weiss"

"jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote...
> that is the crux of the issue, if mom wants to walk down the middle of
> the street and breast feed, she's making a spectacle of herself.
> it's just as easy and is actually beneficial to the baby to find a
> quiet out of the way spot to feed the child.
>
> Both my children were breast fed and we never had issues because my
> wife had the sense, the dignity and the class to find an appropriate
> place to feed.

I think the REAL crux of the issue is that we have gotten to the point that
many of us have forgotten what breasts were originally designed for --
feeding babies! Any place that is "appropriate" for bottle feeding should
be equally "appropriate" for breast feeding!

A woman feeding her baby need not make a "spectacle" of herself regardless
of the feeding method she chooses. I have seen women discretely breast
feeding their babies in MANY public places, and most passers-by never even
noticed!

Let's worry about REAL problems! Just don't let the baby starve!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 4:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John Weiss <jrweiss@nospamattglobal.net> wrote:
> "jdoe" <jdoe@aol.com> wrote...
>> that is the crux of the issue, if mom wants to walk down the middle
>> of the street and breast feed, she's making a spectacle of herself.
>> it's just as easy and is actually beneficial to the baby to find a
>> quiet out of the way spot to feed the child.
>>
>> Both my children were breast fed and we never had issues because my
>> wife had the sense, the dignity and the class to find an appropriate
>> place to feed.
>
> I think the REAL crux of the issue is that we have gotten to the
> point that many of us have forgotten what breasts were originally
> designed for -- feeding babies! Any place that is "appropriate" for
> bottle feeding should be equally "appropriate" for breast feeding!
>
> A woman feeding her baby need not make a "spectacle" of herself
> regardless of the feeding method she chooses. I have seen women
> discretely breast feeding their babies in MANY public places, and
> most passers-by never even noticed!
>
> Let's worry about REAL problems! Just don't let the baby starve!

The brat wont starve when it gets the tit in its mouth in an appropriate place.

Just like people dont explode when they arent allowed to crap in the street either.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 4:57 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <p6lfa3piaeqieru0d2h2a5mnk8091rtibe@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

> I'll take that as a "yes".

But of course you would.

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TOPIC: long distance
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3958949a13d8893f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 4:01 pm
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"

On Jul 20, 4:25 am, "mrtdddejspioewhfq"
<mrtdddejspioew...@mrtdddejspioewhfq.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if this is possible:
>
> I make very few long distance calls. My current long distance has been
> creeping up the minimum monthly charge (it started as no minimum and is now
> 3.50 plus tax). I'd like to cancel my long distance service that I currently
> have and instead use some type of prepaid card where I call a local number
> and then enter the long distance number I would like to call.
>
> My questions are:
>
> Will a local phone company allow someone to have local service without any
> long distance provider?
> Will I be able to recieve long distance calls?
> Can I call 800 numbers with just local service ( I assume 800 calls won't be
> free if I use the prepaid card)?
>
> I know there are long distance services that don't charge a monthly minimum
> but they require credit card info and an ssn to do a credit check so I'd
> rather avoid them if I can.
>
> Are there any recommendations for prepaid long distance? It would have to be
> something where the time doesn't expire since I don't want to have to be
> buying more time every so often.
>
> Thanks

I had my local telco remove all long distance from my lines

As another user here, I am also a OneSuite customer. Incredibly low
long distance phone rates. As low as USA-Canada 1.9CPM! Works as
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minimum. Use Promotion/SuiteTreat Code: "FREEoffer23" for FREE time.
Works FROM many other countries.

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TOPIC: Watch Free Satellite TV on your PC or Laptop
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c33e88b9fb059ec4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 4:08 pm
From: George Grapman

www.Queensbridge.us wrote:
> On Jul 24, 1:16 pm, Camron S <camronst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> SATELLITE TV for PC - Amazing Software which Instantly Turns your
>> Computer into a Super TV!
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Save 1000's of $$$ over many years on cable and satellite bills.
>>
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>>
>> Know More About It:http://tvonpc.xt.cx
>
> Between Google video, YouTube Video and Veoh video
> where does one fit in 3000 more stations?
>
> How does above work anyway?
>
> --

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identity theft.
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TOPIC: Why I hate Washington Mutual (a rant)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/02d22dacefd6cc05?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 4:35 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <46A6C000.55B68B0D@rcn.com>, Rick <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
[ ... ]
>> 4. I recently inherited a couple of WaMu accounts, for which I needed to
>> order checks. I spent an hour in the branch (they have guard-operated
>> double doors now, possibly with poison gas available Just In Case) watching
>> the bankdroid order checks and verify the new statement address. The checks
>> were supposed to arrive within 7-10 working days.

>> Here it is two months later. No checks. Statements still forwarded from
>> the old address. I went back into the branch where I ordered the checks.
>> They had no record of the order. Moreover, they didn't seem at all
>> concerned that A F*CKING BANK TRANSACTION HAD SIMPLY EVAPORATED. They
>> rush-ordered more checks, waived the fee ($20 for 150 checks is ridiculous)
>> and said they'd call me when they arrived at the bank (I figured that was a
>> more reliable address than mine).

http://www.checksunlimited.com

That's where I've been getting my checks for years; highly recommended.
Great service, and lots of designs if you're interested.

>Look, it happens. They didn't lose a transaction. "They" - and "they"
>could be a bank employee, a post office employee or the place that
>prints the checks - lost a check order request. It wasn't a transaction.
>You didn't lose any money.

Really? What do you call the $20 for the original batch of checks, if it
wasn't a transaction?

And it _had_ to be someone at the bank who lost it--anyone else, and the
bank would have had a record of the order.

>> At no time during any of these transactions did a single bank employee offer
>> an apology. Nobody wondered why I was closing out my accounts. When I
>> close these accounts I bet nobody will ask why. I'm going to tell them
>> anyway. Loudly.

Send the president of the bank a letter. Verbal complaints to the droids
behind the teller window won't go any further.

>You seem to be over the top on this. You wanted to take out a very large
>sum of cash, that the bank either didn't have on hand when you wanted it
>or for some reason they felt very uncomfortable transferring that amount
>of cash to you.

For a transaction over $10,000, they have to do paperwork. They probably
didn't want to. The probability that they didn't have it is near zero.
They failed to provide a reasonable service to a customer.

> They lost a check order - whoopee. And you don't even
>know if it was actually the bank that lost the check order.

If anyone else lost it, the bank would have had the record of it--the
bank most definantly lost it.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 6:35 pm
From: Rick

Abe wrote:
>
> >You seem to be over the top on this. You wanted to take out a very large
> >sum of cash, that the bank either didn't have on hand when you wanted it
> >or for some reason they felt very uncomfortable transferring that amount
> >of cash to you. They lost a check order - whoopee. And you don't even
> >know if it was actually the bank that lost the check order.
>
> I disagree with cash on hand issue. I have worked in banking, even
> small neighborhood branches, and 30 grand is nothing. Even the
> smallest branches have many times that in the vault.

Me too. And the policy at my bank was if a customer wanted over
$10,000.00 in cash in a single withdrawal the bank required 3 days
advance notice. If we had it on hand that wasn't a problem. But the head
teller wasn't about to wipe out a huge percentage of small bills on hand
to accomodate a single customer to the detriment of all the other
customers - including keeping the ATM at the branch loaded. The amount
in real numbers of cash exchanged back and forth versus checks deposited
and account to account transfers was relatively small and got even
smaller once debit cards for accounts were introduced. But like I said,
different banks have different policies and different levels of hard
currency cash flow.

Rick

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TOPIC: Inexpensive, Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1eb5a91cbd2518db?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 6:11 pm
From: "Don K"

"bob" <bob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:46a98c93.1182484@news.east.earthlink.net...
> "Don K" wrote:
>>"bob" wrote:
>>> Decentralized power such as this, could be a threat to the fear-based
>>> boys who run the show.
>>
>>Nice job of turning a scientific anouncement into a political statement.
>
> Politics is entwined in economics.
> There is no free market.
>
> Then again, as the boy said to Neo in the Matrix,
> "there is no spoon".

You seem to be quoting fantasy dialog as if it had meaning.

>>> http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
>>> "NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
>>> Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
>>
>>Ooh, an inexpensive process has been developed to use paint-on solar
>>panels made from single wall carbon nanotubes. One day homeowners
>>will be able to use an inexpensive inkjet printer to print their own
>>solar cells.
>>
>>Great!
>>Let's check the price of these inexpensive carbon nanotubes...
>
> The link you gave says very little about solar panels. Your reference
> was like pointing at a forest and saying "Look, there's all the toilet
> paper you could want!". Sure, you could use a pine cone as toilet
> paper, but that's not very efficacious, is it?

It pointed out that plain vanilla carbon nanotube "paint" without
the added buckeyballs costs $250 per gram.

Your press announcement indicated that a paper was written describing
a process that adds carbon buckyballs to carbon nanotubes which
could potentially increase nanotube electrical efficiency when excited
by photons.

Beyond that, the headlined claim that an inexpensive process has been
developed to produce solar panels is just extrapolated hype.

> How much of a one-time payment would you make to be able to quit
> paying your never-ending electric bill? Expensive as they are now, a
> solar panel system could be done, if you have the cash and can do the
> work. Would you like to see your electric meter run backwards, selling
> electricity to the utility at the same price they sell to you? It's
> legal and doable. The carbon nanotube application could make it much
> easier and cheaper.

The magic words here are could, might, maybe, perhaps, promising,
someday, etc.

This paper may turn out to be a significant step along the way, but let's
wait until the engineers actually develop something before claiming
it is developed.

Don

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TOPIC: how to turn $12 into $6,000!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ce1206e086fa0334?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 6:23 pm
From: "Bob F"

<maxcash123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185378492.140697.17220@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> easy money this is an investment opportunity for serious people
> only!!! how to turn $12 into $6,000!!!!!! reading this could change
> your life! it changed mine...

Readers - don't be fooled. There are much better scams available, which can turn
$6 into $6000. Don't fall for this inflated version of this illegal scam.

Bob

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TOPIC: whither the ice house?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ece54484f7063e00?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 6:39 pm
From: Harry K

On Jul 25, 3:37 pm, KLS <xyme...@suds.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:43:17 -0700, RW Salnick <saln...@no.spam.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Anthony Matonak brought forth on stone tablets:
> >> Harry K wrote:
> >> ...
>
> >>> Yep. We lived with an icebox until 1948 when REA came through. A
> >>> messy appliance needing regular care. The lack of a freezing
> >>> capability would kill any 'market' except for the die hard "back-to-
> >>> nature" types.
>
> >> Perhaps we could have the best of both worlds. Start with an ice house
> >> filled with trays of water/ice that has automatic doors or shutters
> >> which open when the temperature outside is below freezing. Perhaps even
> >> designed to make use of prevailing winds or including some kind of fan.
> >> Attached to this could be a fridge and/or freezer using a heat pump
> >> with a heat exchanger inside the ice house.
>
> >> You would get the modern features of an ordinary fridge or freezer
> >> with minimal energy use. If you're located somewhere without lots of
> >> cold weather then perhaps one of those solar ice makers could be used.
>
> >> Anthony
>
> >Better yet: Take advantage of modern technology while minimizing energy
> >usage.
>
> >Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional
> >refrigeration. Would take essentially zero energy to move heat downhill
> >from a 40 degree fridge to a 32 degree ice block. And not much more to
> >move it uphill from a 0 degree freezer to the 32 degree ice block.
> >Would work great for air conditioning too. Much better than pumping the
> >heat uphill into a 72 degree environment (conventional fridge/freezer),
> >or even worse, into a 90-100 degree environment (airconditioning)
>
> These are great ideas, and I'm going to think about incorporating them
> all into any building plans I make, along with the solar panels I'd
> like to install for heating the house water. We're in western New
> York, so this could work really well. The more passive, the better!
> [fyi, posting from misc.consumers.house, so followups directed
> elsewhere will elude my attention]- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, some ideas that seem workable. Just keep in mind that unless it
provides for frozen food storeage all year round it will be a non-
starter.

Harry K

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:20 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> RW Salnick <salnick@no.spam.org> wrote:
>
>> Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional
>> refrigeration.
...
>> Would work great for air conditioning too.
>
> Not enough ice.

It's just a question of scale, isn't it? One could figure out how
much ice is needed to keep their house cold throughout the year
and then build an ice house big enough.

I'm thinking one of those cheap steel buildings the size of a small
hanger with a foot or so of spray foam insulation on the inside. :)

Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?

Anthony

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:36 pm
From: WDS

On Jul 25, 10:20 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> > RW Salnick <saln...@no.spam.org> wrote:
>
> >> Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional
> >> refrigeration.
> ...
> >> Would work great for air conditioning too.
>
> > Not enough ice.
>
> It's just a question of scale, isn't it? One could figure out how
> much ice is needed to keep their house cold throughout the year
> and then build an ice house big enough.
>
> I'm thinking one of those cheap steel buildings the size of a small
> hanger with a foot or so of spray foam insulation on the inside. :)
>
> Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?

You realize that transporting, storing, and stacking that much ice is
going to cost you more than running your AC?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:38 pm
From: "Morris Dovey"

Anthony Matonak wrote:
| nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
|| RW Salnick <salnick@no.spam.org> wrote:
||
||| Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional
||| refrigeration.
| ...
||| Would work great for air conditioning too.
||
|| Not enough ice.
|
| It's just a question of scale, isn't it? One could figure out how
| much ice is needed to keep their house cold throughout the year
| and then build an ice house big enough.
|
| I'm thinking one of those cheap steel buildings the size of a small
| hanger with a foot or so of spray foam insulation on the inside. :)

Erm... My shop is /in/ a small hanger (you can see pix by following
the links at the page below) - and I'm curious as to what you consider
to be a "cheap" building. I'm thinking that just the insulation you've
described would be fairly spendy...

| Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?

Ah yes - this is the important question.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/interest.html

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote
>> RW Salnick <salnick@no.spam.org> wrote

>>> Build the icehouse, and use it as the heat sink for conventional refrigeration.
> ...
>>> Would work great for air conditioning too.

>> Not enough ice.

> It's just a question of scale, isn't it?

Only in theory.

> One could figure out how much ice is needed to keep their house cold throughout the year and then
> build an ice house big enough.

Problem is that that ends up impractically big, wont even fit on the block.

> I'm thinking one of those cheap steel buildings the size of a small
> hanger with a foot or so of spray foam insulation on the inside. :)

> Any idea of just how much ice would we be talking about?

More than is practical.

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TOPIC: Trac-fone - Cell phone question
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/faba6b29b488765b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 7:06 pm
From: "A Mate"

We're travelling in the USA in September/October (hiring car and driving)
for 7 weeks in September/October. We start in Atlanta, thence to Tn and on
to the New England area for most of our time. We want a mobile (cell) phone
to keep in touch with family in Australia.

Will a pre-paid tracfone give us reasonable coverage in New England?

Should we choose a gsm or CDMA tracfone?

Can you recommend another better option?

Thanks

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:24 pm
From: Brontide

On Jul 25, 10:06 pm, "A Mate" <ma...@Australia.com.au> wrote:
> We're travelling in the USA in September/October (hiring car and driving)
> for 7 weeks in September/October. We start in Atlanta, thence to Tn and on
> to the New England area for most of our time. We want a mobile (cell) phone
> to keep in touch with family in Australia.
>
> Will a pre-paid tracfone give us reasonable coverage in New England?
>
> Should we choose a gsm or CDMA tracfone?
>
> Can you recommend another better option?
>
> Thanks

New england/east coast is a strong CDMA area ( Verizon/AllTel )
although if you plan on being in the boonies you should spring for a
CDMA phone that also has analog. It looks like you will be covered on
your entire trip by using a CDMA tracfone. Tracfone also has the
advantage that you can call australia without any additional costs/
minutes being used ( if I'm reading their pages correctly ). At an
effective rate of ~20c/minute it's not horrible, but I would minimize
it's use and rely on international calling cards when you have a
landline around.

I'm not as familiar with GSM coverage for your areas so I can't tell
you that it will be better with GSM, but I do see that CDMA should
cover you.

-Eric

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 8:43 pm
From: Brontide

A Mate wrote:
> We're travelling in the USA in September/October (hiring car and driving)
> for 7 weeks in September/October. We start in Atlanta, thence to Tn and on
> to the New England area for most of our time. We want a mobile (cell) phone
> to keep in touch with family in Australia.
>
> Will a pre-paid tracfone give us reasonable coverage in New England?
>
> Should we choose a gsm or CDMA tracfone?
>
> Can you recommend another better option?
>
> Thanks

For more info you can check out the helpful fourms here.

http://howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=330

-Eric

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TOPIC: Linux Laptop
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9bb62df64823c6a1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 9:32 pm
From: Darth Chaos

On Jul 13, 12:23 am, Ken <klope...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> mwmiller...@gmail.com wrote innews:1184269655.779322.163870@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Is there a laptop that can run / or comes installed with linux or some
> > version of unix? available to the common consumer?
>
> > Any help appreciated
>
> Madtux.org at the following address has several desktop computers and one
> laptop. I just received myFreespirePC yesterday and I'm putting it thru
> its paces.
>
> http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=298
>
> Enjoy.
> Ken
> ________

Ever since I started using Ubuntu, I have to say I like GNOME better
than KDE. Of course I tried the most recent Release Candidate of
Freespire 2.0 on my laptop, and everything on my laptop (except for
the dial-up modem) worked out of the box...even wifi worked out of the
box. The modem drivers were readily available on linuxant.com, and it
uses the same modem drivers that Ubuntu uses (since Freespire and
Linspire are now based on Ubuntu).

I thought it was pretty good. If you want the newest Freespire, you
can either wait for the official release of Freespire 2.0 or download
the most recent Release Candidate.

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TOPIC: Loads of Freebies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1d282a8014b0c38f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 10:14 pm
From: Bailey

Loads of Freebies

http://www.cafemom.com/group/freebiesrock

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TOPIC: Frugal Recipes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8576de00c156dacd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2007 10:16 pm
From: Bailey

Frugal Recipes

http://www.frugalsimplicity.com

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