Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Monday, July 23, 2007

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TOPIC: Car batteries: Walmart any good?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7caa1bfb7945071?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:39 am
From: me@privacy.net

My battery in my Mazda died the other day.

Strange, I've never had a car battery die in the
summer. Its always been the winter when low temps and
load is present.

Anyway..... I bought a replacement battery from
Walmart cause it was an emergency (no time to shop
around).

Are their batteries any good?

What brand/model car battery IS good?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:18 am
From: ranck@vt.edu

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Anyway..... I bought a replacement battery from
> Walmart cause it was an emergency (no time to shop
> around).
> Are their batteries any good?
> What brand/model car battery IS good?

Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
as it gets.

I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
the same and last as long as the most expensive.

Just my opinion, of course.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:11 pm
From: me@privacy.net

ranck@vt.edu wrote:

>Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
>commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
>if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
>really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
>batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
>as it gets.

Understood. It says the Exide made the Walmart battery
I bought. Well Exide distributed it anyway

>I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
>this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
>all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
>the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
>the same and last as long as the most expensive.

I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
battery now days!

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:47 pm
From: The Real Bev

me@privacy.net wrote:

> ranck@vt.edu wrote:
>
>>Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
>>commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
>>if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
>>really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
>>batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
>>as it gets.
>
> Understood. It says the Exide made the Walmart battery
> I bought. Well Exide distributed it anyway
>
>>I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
>>this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
>>all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
>>the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
>>the same and last as long as the most expensive.
>
> I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> battery now days!

We got more than that out of Sears batteries, and last time I was pleasantly
surprised at the amount of credit I received on the new battery.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Little Mary took her skis upon the snow to frisk.
Wasn't she a silly girl her little * ?

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:13 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu

me@privacy.net wrote:
> ranck@vt.edu wrote:

> >this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
> >all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
> >the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
> >the same and last as long as the most expensive.

> I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> battery now days!

I had that problem on a car of mine. One car kept needing
a new battery every 3 years. I finally checked and found
the voltage regulator was off and overcharging. It took me
9 years or so to figure that out because the first battery
goes bad in 3 years you shrug it off as a statistical anonomaly,
the second you think what a bad run of luck, the third you start
looking for reasons. If they'd been going bad in 1 or 2 years
I'd have tracked it down sooner. The key here was it was just
that one car, my other car(s) all got 5 or 6 years on a battery.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:35 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <f83252$c65$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vt.edu says...
> me@privacy.net wrote:
> > ranck@vt.edu wrote:

> > I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> > battery now days!

> I had that problem on a car of mine. One car kept needing
> a new battery every 3 years. I finally checked and found
> the voltage regulator was off and overcharging. It took me
> 9 years or so to figure that out because the first battery
> goes bad in 3 years you shrug it off as a statistical anonomaly,
> the second you think what a bad run of luck, the third you start
> looking for reasons. If they'd been going bad in 1 or 2 years
> I'd have tracked it down sooner. The key here was it was just
> that one car, my other car(s) all got 5 or 6 years on a battery.

Some garages will do a free or cheap charging system test. It
just takes a couple of minutes. Sometimes problems with the
alternator or other parts can either abuse the battery, or make
it look like the battery is bad.

I suggest getting it tested any time you have to replace the
battery.

--
Get Credit Where Credit Is Due
http://www.cardreport.com/
Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum

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TOPIC: Buy first, think later
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4aa3acc947fe0dec?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:44 am
From: George

john smith wrote:
> Got my oil changed last week. Kid said I needed a
> new air filter (forgot they always do that, along with
> that pcv valve). Says it will be $14.99. Said I'd do
> it myself. Went to Auto Zone. Cost $13.99 Big
> savings, but maybe I got a better filter. Took my
> old one out and it didn't look very dirty. Showed it
> to my co-worker, who works on cars. He said it
> didn't look bad at all. Held it up, could see lots of light
> through it. Other co-worker said he cleans his with
> gasoline or something like that. I still have the receipt.
> Should I return it or keep it figuring the next time I
> need one, they may cost a lot more?
>
>
I doubt you can clean a pleated paper air filter.

I like the permanent K&N filters. Its a one time purchase that you can
clean. They also have better filtration and less restriction than
pleated paper.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:54 am
From: George Grapman

I pay a few dollars more and let my regular mechanic do the routine
oil change stuff.
A tv station in LA recently took hidden cameras to some of the chains
and found they never even opened the hood.
The last time I went to a Jiffy Lube I decided to have lunch while
they were working on my car. I was in the process of removing my car key
from the key chain and twice the employee told me that would not be
necessary. Made me wonder why he noticed or cared.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:05 am
From: George

George Grapman wrote:
> I pay a few dollars more and let my regular mechanic do the routine oil
> change stuff.
> A tv station in LA recently took hidden cameras to some of the chains
> and found they never even opened the hood.
> The last time I went to a Jiffy Lube I decided to have lunch while they
> were working on my car. I was in the process of removing my car key from
> the key chain and twice the employee told me that would not be
> necessary. Made me wonder why he noticed or cared.

Me too, about the only thing I did was install the K&N filter. I prefer
dependable local garages.

I caught a few "hidden camera" shows where they rigged up a car and went
to the various big box chain places. As expected it was unusual to
actually get what you paid for. The worst were the transmission flush
places (valuable to prevent an automatic from dying) where they didn't
even bother to roll the machine over and connect the two hoses.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:45 pm
From: The Real Bev

john smith wrote:

> Got my oil changed last week. Kid said I needed a
> new air filter (forgot they always do that, along with
> that pcv valve). Says it will be $14.99. Said I'd do
> it myself. Went to Auto Zone. Cost $13.99 Big
> savings, but maybe I got a better filter.

When I took my mom's car to JiffyLube, the guy showed me the air filter and
quoted a price which was something like 3x the price of the filter at Pep
Boys, which I bought and replaced while my mom watched. The only bad part
is that the filter is in a place that gets really hot, so you have to let it
cool down before you replace it. Big deal.

I always made a point of VISIBLY watching the guy work on the car, and even
went out to ask him a question. Worked fine.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Little Mary took her skis upon the snow to frisk.
Wasn't she a silly girl her little * ?

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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9ae679497789a49?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:43 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:02:17 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:

> I look at it this way: kids making noise is a given.

So does practicing Tuba. Oddly enough, people rarely seem to do this in
restaurants... something about not inflicting unwanted noise on the other
patrons.

--
He's YOUR God, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:45 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:

>>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not learned
>>> behavior.
>>
>> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and lying or
>> bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a correlation, then your
>> statement is, itself, a lie, which doesn't exactly give you the moral
>> high ground, now does it?
>>
> You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall we assume
you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?

--
But loving a cat is not a sin. -- Kevin Mckenzie
It depends on wether you use duct tape or not. -- J.J. Hitt

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:28 am
From: William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:43:20 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>[snips]
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:02:17 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>
>> I look at it this way: kids making noise is a given.
>
>So does practicing Tuba. Oddly enough, people rarely seem to do this in
>restaurants... something about not inflicting unwanted noise on the other
>patrons.

Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
seems to have enured me to the situation. I think a person could have
a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
something different. We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
and annoying as unruly kids. Then another guy showed up and they sat
him at the end of the table, with his backside right up against our
table. Then, 5 more people showed up and started hovering over our
table while they joined in the festivities. My wife sensed my
annoyance and then offered to move to "allow their party to all be
seated together." We moved to a table outside, it happened to be a
perfectly lovely evening and we got free desserts out of the deal for
our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
price we pay for being social animals.

>
>
>--
>He's YOUR God, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:52 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:28:50 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:

> Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
> social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
> seems to have enured me to the situation.

Your kids, or those of others? If those of others, why did *you* have to
abbreviate your evenings because of someone else's squalling monsters? If
yours, then thank you for your consideration of others.

> I think a person could have
> a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
> practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
> something different.

If I want to hear squalling monsters, I'll go to a "family" restaurant.
If I'm going somewhere a little upscale from that, I don't expect to be
inundated with kids *or* tubas. One unwelcome noise is just as unpleasant
as another; if we're going to accept kids, why not tubas?

> We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
> they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
> and annoying as unruly kids.

Yeah, but at least those you can talk to. Ever tried talking to a parent
with a squalling monster? "He's just a kid, give him a break, you can't
expect..." No, lady, I expect *you* as the *parent* to shut the kid up,
leave him at home, or get out.

> our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
> control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
> personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
> but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
> price we pay for being social animals.

No, it's the price parents demand we pay for *their* incompetence in
locating baby sitters. Can't find one? Stay home. Simple concept.

--
Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Let me guess. The eldest male in your household
is referred to as 'Uncle Dad'. -- Marty Leipzig

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:07 pm
From: firelock_ny@hotmail.com

On Jul 23, 1:45 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
> >>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not learned
> >>> behavior.
>
> >> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and lying or
> >> bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a correlation, then your
> >> statement is, itself, a lie, which doesn't exactly give you the moral
> >> high ground, now does it?
>
> > You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
>
> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall we assume
> you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?

Kelsey, you're talking to *Terry Austin*. He isn't
here to show you whether or not he's lying.

--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:53 pm
From: William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:52:01 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>[snips]
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:28:50 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
>> social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
>> seems to have enured me to the situation.
>
>Your kids, or those of others? If those of others, why did *you* have to
>abbreviate your evenings because of someone else's squalling monsters? If
>yours, then thank you for your consideration of others.

My wife took our kids out to the car while I waited to get our stuff
boxed up to go, or went through the grocery checkout or whatever. I
don't remember ever leaving because of someone else's kids being
disruptive...

>
>> I think a person could have
>> a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
>> practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
>> something different.
>
>If I want to hear squalling monsters, I'll go to a "family" restaurant.
>If I'm going somewhere a little upscale from that, I don't expect to be
>inundated with kids *or* tubas. One unwelcome noise is just as unpleasant
>as another; if we're going to accept kids, why not tubas?
>
>> We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
>> they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
>> and annoying as unruly kids.
>
>Yeah, but at least those you can talk to. Ever tried talking to a parent
>with a squalling monster?

Can't say that I have. I usually just bitch about to my wife and she
chastises me for being a crotchety old man :)

> "He's just a kid, give him a break, you can't
>expect..." No, lady, I expect *you* as the *parent* to shut the kid up,
>leave him at home, or get out.
>
>> our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
>> control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
>> personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
>> but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
>> price we pay for being social animals.
>
>No, it's the price parents demand we pay for *their* incompetence in
>locating baby sitters. Can't find one? Stay home. Simple concept.

Seems simple enough to me and you, maybe we're missing the complicated
part. But look at the bright side, by being exposed to kids in
restaurants, you've come to the realisation that you don't want any of
your own.

>
>
>--
>Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Let me guess. The eldest male in your household
>is referred to as 'Uncle Dad'. -- Marty Leipzig

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 2:22 pm
From: No 33 Secretary

Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in
news:n36fn4-2hu.ln1@spanky.localhost.net:

> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
>
>>>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not
>>>> learned behavior.
>>>
>>> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and
>>> lying or bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a
>>> correlation, then your statement is, itself, a lie, which
>>> doesn't exactly give you the moral high ground, now does it?
>>>
>> You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
>
>
> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall
> we assume you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?
>
Or perhaps you just want to suck my dick again.

--
"If he does that shit again I'm going to tie his ass hairs together
and kick him in the shin."

Terry Austin

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TOPIC: Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:20 am
From: "Rod Speed"

muzician21@yahoo.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Spob <pongespob_paresqua...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> So with all the gnashing of teeth regarding prohibitive costs
>>> of health insurance and greedy companies that do their best
>>> to avoid paying on claims, why hasn't there been an insurance
>>> company formed by outraged liberals who would be willing to
>>> forego the huge salaries of the typical corporate hierarchy and
>>> pour it all back into coverage benefits and lowered premiums?

>> Because those salarys are a tiny part of the total fund turnover
>> and arent even visible in the coverage benefits and premiums.

> I don't know if that's actually true

Corse it is.

> but in order to make those huge salaries, isnt there an
> inherent incentive to structure things in a way that favors
> the largest possible profits over best possible benefits?

Nope. If you go that route, you'll find that few are interested your
fund, so you wont produce anything like the largest possible profits.

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TOPIC: Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/498d68c0ba1d2e0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:25 am
From: "345" <345@spam.com>

Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time and money, say researchers. A review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that taking the tablets had no effect on the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a
>>>>>>>>>>> medical expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>> vitamens via vegetables is immensely better than any pill.
>>>>>>>>>>> Further, much of what's on the market is dreck. At least in
>>>>>>>>>>> the US, the suppliment market is totally unregulated and
>>>>>>>>>>> you can put pretty much anything into a bottle and call it
>>>>>>>>>>> anything you want.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your
>>>>>>>>>>> veggies...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>>
>>>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>>
>>>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are
>>>>> talking about.
>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing
>>> colds when we were talking about zinc.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> And whether supplimentation is an effective way to otbain vitamens
>>> to begin with.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...
>>
>> None of your shit ever does.

> Okay, fruit cup, the killfile is that way...

Fat lot of good that will do you, fuckwit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:41 am
From: William Souden

345 wrote:
> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time and money, say researchers. A review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that taking the tablets had no effect on the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a
>>>>>>>>>>>> medical expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>> vitamens via vegetables is immensely better than any pill.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, much of what's on the market is dreck. At least in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the US, the suppliment market is totally unregulated and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can put pretty much anything into a bottle and call it
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your
>>>>>>>>>>>> veggies...
>>>>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>>>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>>>>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>>>>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>>>>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are
>>>>>> talking about.
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing
>>>> colds when we were talking about zinc.
>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>
>>>> And whether supplimentation is an effective way to otbain vitamens
>>>> to begin with.
>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>
>>>> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...
>>> None of your shit ever does.
>
>> Okay, fruit cup, the killfile is that way...
>
> Fat lot of good that will do you, fuckwit.
>
>
What a clever new name for Rod. No one will ever suspect it is
toilet boy.
Is 345 the amount of your monthly welfare stipend?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:58 am
From: BeaForoni@msn.com

On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, Steve <d...@whc.inv> wrote:
> What a silly question, there's absolutely no topic on which Rod is not
> an expert.
>
> --
>
> When they discover the center of the universe,
> a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it.
>
> ...Bernard Bailey

You are so right! This Speed person is amazing. A person with limited
education and insught can blow away the most informed, thought out
opinions with a simple "you don't know what you're talking about"
retort. It is like a blind man being critical of Picasso or a deaf
person pointing out the shortcomings of Beethoven, except in
'Speedland' he is always right.

What I especially like about The Speedster is how a person can post a
three hundred word arguement with links and footnotes and then Rod can
unravel the entire arguement with a simple, "Nope you're wrong."

There should be an entire alt.Rod Speed where questions to life's
questions can all be answered. I would like to see an entire
Speedernet, but alas he is only one person. Maybe we could fund a
Speed University. A Rod Speed think tank? How about a Speedpedia? A
branch of science; Speedology? Better yet a whole religion, we could
call it Speedatarian.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:04 pm
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Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:41 pm
From: "artworks4women@gmail.com"

Looking for advice, honest critique....I am a writer, essayist
mostly,
but really my blood is prose.
But I am an apostle of sorts, and want to heard. Is poetry a vehicle
anymore for ideas?

I write haikus too and my friend is a painter. We have a cafe press
store, a blog and lost of ideas.

Do people want unique artworks, or is that extravagant. I am cheap
myself, but do buy a piece of art a year as a rule, usually under
$500. Is art a feasible way to make a living?

ford free friday prose (this is the free day at the art museum)

discovered some today
resting nudes and
lost Polish shepherds
imprinted on my mind
somewhere branching
over dendrites
and drying
in between those spaces
interstices
Lonnie Holly
called potentialities
but he's on the outside
looking in
how will I use them for I went shopping today
came here
to reclaim
returned to exchange
you for me
lies for truths
tested my reactions
to the litmus/rice paper
in frames
looked across the rooms
let my eye
catch watch
in this see to sea
wall to wall
and land here
on a cement pad
patio
reminiscent of Frieda Kahlo's
home with a Midwestern sky
and tourists belying the
state
writing like Jackson Pollack
reeling from the scene
today I went postmodern
my words scream

--
ArtWorks4Women
http://artworks4women.blogspot.com/

Introducing a new blog/ new venture/a space for exploration and
celebration.
Narcissists are predators, psychophagic-meaning they eat your soul.

This is a joint project to reclaim ourselves through our art.

Our personal sites:
Luba's art
http://picasaweb.google.com/lubaborun/
Laurel's words
http://vox-vocis-viscus-verbiage.blogspot.com/

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Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:04 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H7udnYkx0YpLqDnbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Please quit cross posting this crap to alt.hvac, nobody cares about all of the
> left wing political crap
>
> BTW.....welcome to my killfile
>
> *PLONK*

You've just made my day. Bye bye.

Bob

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Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:41 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <469cbab1$0$4720$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
nospam@neo.rr.com says...

> I know people disagree, but it's how we feel about it. We've made sure to
> have a certain amount of our life insurance left to the person who will be
> making those arrangements. In my father's case, the funeral home knew about
> the policy and they waited until it was paid out for their payment. Those
> aren't usually drug out by the insurance companies.

Imagine the call to the insurance company...

"Hey, if you don't pay out on uncle Morty's insurance right now
so I can bury him, I'm gonna bring him over and sit him in your
waiting room."

--
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