Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Tuesday, July 24, 2007

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Are you in good hands?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dee8d846fdfe1fef?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 8:59 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185292489.305972.80320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I don't think so. Let's see...
>
snip

> And the SUVs who put others at a much higher risk? They don't pay
> their share either.

the type of car you drive does factor in. as does your credit score
and some sort of an insurance score based upon claims.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 1:53 pm
From: Al Bundy

donquijote1954 wrote:
> I don't think so. Let's see...
>
> Accident Forgiveness
> After an accident, insurance rates can rise by up to 40%. But with
> this feature, your rates won't go up just because of an accident, even
> if it is your fault...
>
> Says Allstate. And who pays for it? The ones that have had no
> accidents at all. We all do. Insurance costs an arm and a leg because
> of the high rate of accidents and because the guilty parties don't pay
> for it.
>
> And the SUVs who put others at a much higher risk? They don't pay
> their share either.
>
> In Germany those factors result in higher rates. But not here. I don't
> think we are in good hands.
>
They don't make you buy their insurance, but then you were only
looking for a reason to post your link anyway.

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TOPIC: The Proper advantages of Fruits and Food Items
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4a3a774b4c2676d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:02 am
From: Philospher

The Proper advantages of Fruits and Food Items
http://www.foodone.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Frugal luxuries that you treat yourself to
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/47c53b3bb3c6299b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:09 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:22:51 GMT, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
wrote:

> When I am having a bad week I go to the local butcher and treat myself
>to a nice T-bone, always well under $10.

Underdog, is that you?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:09 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:09:38 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:30:50 -0700, Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG
><Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
>
>>In article <%cSmi.22234$RX.16779@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
>>souden@nospam.com says...
>>> Two things for my self. The cost of the first is almost
>>> infinitesimal. I use a fresh towel each day when I shower . If I go out
>>> in the evening I use two towels that day.
>>
>>
>>I do that with pillow cases.
>
>Do they get you as dry as a towel?
>
>Dennis (evil)

I thought they were wearing them.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:38 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 16, 3:22 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Two things for my self. The cost of the first is almost
> infinitesimal. I use a fresh towel each day when I shower . If I go out
> in the evening I use two towels that day.
>
> When I am having a bad week I go to the local butcher and treat myself
> to a nice T-bone, always well under $10.

Isn't "frugal luxury" an oxymoron?

But if you want to know about non-frugal treats that I partake in
(after being frugally hypervigilant) in, here's my "go-to's":

Turtles...not the aquatic kind but the chocolate/caramel/pecan
convection featured on "Everybody Hates Chris". Usually able to snag
these for a good price after a holiday (Christmas and Valentines day
mostly).

AYCE Chinese buffet for Sunday lunch while out and about.

I have been known to buy the latest gadget just because it's too cool
to pass up....but it's infrequent. Example: Go-Video VCR/DVR combo
when it first came out. Loved the fact it took up the space of a
VCR. Didn't love the fact that I never had a DVR before so though the
skipping I had with it was due to "rental disks". Got it fixed one
month before warranty was up. The other non-frugal but worth it buy
was the Dyson when it first came out here.

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TOPIC: I am thinking of starting a business making custom t-shirts and ties
featuring my poetry
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:31 am
From: "Bill"

I don't recall seeing anyone wearing T-shirts with poetry around here.

Around here, those who buy T-shits which say something, are mostly young
males. They buy shirts which make them look more macho, are anti-authority,
are obscene/vulgar, or give them a particular "image".

Something like...

"Sworn to fun, loyal to none!"
"Stud"
"No Fear"
Etc.

<artworks4women@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Looking for advice, honest critique....I am a writer, essayist
> mostly,
> but really my blood is prose.
> But I am an apostle of sorts, and want to heard. Is poetry a vehicle
> anymore for ideas?
>
> I write haikus too and my friend is a painter. We have a cafe press
> store, a blog and lost of ideas.
>
> Do people want unique artworks, or is that extravagant. I am cheap
> myself, but do buy a piece of art a year as a rule, usually under
> $500. Is art a feasible way to make a living?
>
>
> ford free friday prose (this is the free day at the art museum)
>
>
> discovered some today
> resting nudes and
> lost Polish shepherds
> imprinted on my mind
> somewhere branching
> over dendrites
> and drying
> in between those spaces
> interstices
> Lonnie Holly
> called potentialities
> but he's on the outside
> looking in
> how will I use them for I went shopping today
> came here
> to reclaim
> returned to exchange
> you for me
> lies for truths
> tested my reactions
> to the litmus/rice paper
> in frames
> looked across the rooms
> let my eye
> catch watch
> in this see to sea
> wall to wall
> and land here
> on a cement pad
> patio
> reminiscent of Frieda Kahlo's
> home with a Midwestern sky
> and tourists belying the
> state
> writing like Jackson Pollack
> reeling from the scene
> today I went postmodern
> my words scream
>
>
> --
> ArtWorks4Women
> http://artworks4women.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Introducing a new blog/ new venture/a space for exploration and
> celebration.
> Narcissists are predators, psychophagic-meaning they eat your soul.
>
>
> This is a joint project to reclaim ourselves through our art.
>
>
> Our personal sites:
> Luba's art
> http://picasaweb.google.com/lubaborun/
> Laurel's words
> http://vox-vocis-viscus-verbiage.blogspot.com/
>

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TOPIC: Frugal pre-paid funeral expenses?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 9:35 am
From: Dennis

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:17:36 -0700, "the_verminator@comcast.net"
<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote:

>The most frugal thing is to donate your body to science.

Much more frugal to sell it!

Here is a website that calculates how much your corpse might be worth:

http://mingle2.com/cadaver-calculator

(Note: I am not selling anything. The website in the link might be,
but it is easy enough to ignore. I am not affiliated with them in any
way, yada-yada-yada.)

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:24 pm
From: Tisha

CHECK OUT (NO PUN INTENDED) THIS WEBSITE:

http://www.medcure.org/

THIS IS WHERE I'M REGISTERED. WHEN I DIE, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE
ONE PHONE CALL THAT MY FAMILY WILL HAVE TO MAKE. I OPTED FOR THE NO
RETURN OF ASHES, SO HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW!!

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TOPIC: NICEOFFERS.COM
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 10:07 am
From: Duke

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Car batteries: Walmart any good?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 10:37 am
From: E Z Peaces

Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article <y%cpi.40559$Um6.24338@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, Lee K wrote:
>> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:09v9a39nhv0s48s6hn6vvcs5qjk137un4i@4ax.com...
>>> ranck@vt.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
>>>> commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
>>>> if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
>>>> really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
>>>> batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
>>>> as it gets.
>>> Understood. It says the Exide made the Walmart battery
>>> I bought. Well Exide distributed it anyway
>>>
>>>> I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
>>>> this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
>>>> all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
>>>> the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
>>>> the same and last as long as the most expensive.
>>> I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
>>> battery now days!
>> I got a strange one. I bought my 97 Ranger new in June '97. The original
>> battery is still in use in the truck today, after 10 winters of use in
>> Central Connecticut. Had to replace the clamp on the Neg terminal a couple
>> of weeks ago, though. I should replace it, but at this point I just want to
>> see how long it will last.
>
> It is summer heat that ages batteries, and winter cold that reveals
> weakness of batteries by impairing them but doing the least actual damage.
>
> I expect that batteries last longer in places with cool summers and mild
> winters, such as Pacific Coast from SF to Juneau. Maybe they do better in
> Pacific Coast farther south such as Santa Cruz or San Diego where they
> stay warmer but avoid most outright hot conditions that do a lot of the
> aging trouble.
> They may age faster but avoid age-revealing winter conditions until they
> are really badly aged in Key West, where winters are warm but alltime
> summer high temp. is only 96 degrees F last time I heard.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

In Japan, battery failure is the most common complaint of new-car
owners. A German auto manufacturer checked 400 batteries returned under
warranty. Half were okay.

The problem is stratification of the electrolyte. The acid tends to
settle. Then it won't give good starting performance and charging will
be slow. Sulfation and corrosion happen faster when the electrolyte is
stratified.

If the battery in Connecticut has lasted ten years, it was probably kept
fully charged, which reduces stratification. Maybe roads were bumpy
enough to slosh the electrolyte.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 10:45 am
From: Anthony Matonak

E Z Peaces wrote:
...
> In Japan, battery failure is the most common complaint of new-car
> owners. A German auto manufacturer checked 400 batteries returned under
> warranty. Half were okay.
>
> The problem is stratification of the electrolyte. The acid tends to
> settle. Then it won't give good starting performance and charging will
> be slow. Sulfation and corrosion happen faster when the electrolyte is
> stratified.
>
> If the battery in Connecticut has lasted ten years, it was probably kept
> fully charged, which reduces stratification. Maybe roads were bumpy
> enough to slosh the electrolyte.

This difference may have been simply how often the vehicles were used
and the distances driven. Japan has major traffic congestion problems
so driving a car might be an occasional luxury and then only for short
distances.

Anthony

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:17 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 23, 11:18 am, ra...@vt.edu wrote:
> m...@privacy.net wrote:
> > Anyway..... I bought a replacement battery from
> > Walmart cause it was an emergency (no time to shop
> > around).
> > Are their batteries any good?
> > What brand/model car battery IS good?
>
> Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
> commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
> if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
> really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
> batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
> as it gets.
>
> I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
> this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
> all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
> the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
> the same and last as long as the most expensive.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.

I tend to agree with your opinion as well. I also suspect that many
of the batteries that are store branded are all from the same
manufacturer. When the security guy on my job killed my car battery
(and fried the fuse, too) by jumping it backwards I walked to the
local Kragen and bought the cheapest one that fit the car...no name
brand. It was still working fine when I traded the car in 4 years
later.

But...the warranty for a Sears Diehard vs a generic may be
considerably different.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:28 pm
From: E Z Peaces

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> E Z Peaces wrote:
> ...
>> In Japan, battery failure is the most common complaint of new-car
>> owners. A German auto manufacturer checked 400 batteries returned
>> under warranty. Half were okay.
>>
>> The problem is stratification of the electrolyte. The acid tends to
>> settle. Then it won't give good starting performance and charging
>> will be slow. Sulfation and corrosion happen faster when the
>> electrolyte is stratified.
>>
>> If the battery in Connecticut has lasted ten years, it was probably
>> kept fully charged, which reduces stratification. Maybe roads were
>> bumpy enough to slosh the electrolyte.
>
> This difference may have been simply how often the vehicles were used
> and the distances driven. Japan has major traffic congestion problems
> so driving a car might be an occasional luxury and then only for short
> distances.
>
> Anthony

It is worse in vehicles that aren't driven much. The average is about
60 miles a week (100 km) in Japan. The Japanese and Germans are big on
quality control. That's why they have figures pointing to
stratification. If it can be severe enough to cause some fairly new
cars not to start, I think it may speed sulfation and corrosion that
shorten battery life in many other cars.

It also seems to happen more in luxury cars. It's possible that luxury
brands are just more aware of the problem, but if it is indeed worse, it
may be because luxury cars have less vibration and bumping to stir the
electrolyte.

Ever since the lead-acid battery was invented, it has been good
maintenance to leave it on a charger 24 hours or more once a month. It
takes a long charge to convert all the lead sulfate to lead or lead
oxide. If it's not converted it eventually hardens, reducing the useful
plate area. It tends to flake off when you start the car, accumulating
at the bottom of the cell. If the crud rises to the bottom of the
plates, I think it can cause the cell to discharge.

By doing this, I get years more than a battery's advertised life. If a
vehicle has been sitting several days, it may charge faster after an
hour than when I first turn on the charger. That may be evidence that a
long charge can stir up the electrolyte. Apparently stirring the
electrolyte slows the corrosion that wrecks batteries in hot climates.

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TOPIC: Inexpensive, Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 11:17 am
From: bob@earthlink.net (bob)

Decentralized power such as this, could be a threat to the fear-based
boys who run the show.

http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
"NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
NEWARK, July 18, 2007
Researchers at New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) have
developed an inexpensive solar cell that can be painted or printed on
flexible plastic sheets. The process is simple, said lead researcher
and author Somenath Mitra, PhD, professor and acting chair of NJIT's
Department of Chemistry and Environmental Sciences. Someday homeowners
will even be able to print sheets of these solar cells with
inexpensive home-based inkjet printers. Consumers can then slap the
finished product on a wall, roof or billboard to create their own
power stations." ...

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 12:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

bob <bob@earthlink.net> wrote

> Decentralized power such as this, could be a
> threat to the fear-based boys who run the show.

Not a chance, you watch.

And there are no 'fear-based boys who run the show' either.

> http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
> "NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
> Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
> NEWARK, July 18, 2007

Just another in a VERY long line of claims like this, not one of which has
EVER turned out to be anything like as important as they claim they are.

> Researchers at New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) have
> developed an inexpensive solar cell that can be painted or printed on
> flexible plastic sheets. The process is simple, said lead researcher
> and author Somenath Mitra, PhD, professor and acting chair of NJIT's
> Department of Chemistry and Environmental Sciences.

Corse that's a stunningly impeccible source, eh ?

> Someday homeowners will even be able to print sheets of
> these solar cells with inexpensive home-based inkjet printers.

Nope.

> Consumers can then slap the finished product on a wall,
> roof or billboard to create their own power stations." ...

Nope. Just another stupid pig ignorant claim.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 1:11 pm
From: "Don K"

"bob" <bob@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:46a63952.823484@news.east.earthlink.net...
> Decentralized power such as this, could be a threat to the fear-based
> boys who run the show.

Nice job of turning a scientific anouncement into a political statement.

> http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
> "NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
> Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels

Ooh, an inexpensive process has been developed to use paint-on solar
panels made from single wall carbon nanotubes. One day homeowners
will be able to use an inexpensive inkjet printer to print their own
solar cells.

Great!
Let's check the price of these inexpensive carbon nanotubes...
Here's some at Cheap Tubes Inc:
Short Single Walled Carbon Nanotubes 90wt% -- $250 per gram
http://www.cheaptubesinc.com/pricelist. htm?gclid=CJnqsKv6wI0CFSQsFQod1yayMA

It's always something. They develop a process using an inexpensive printer,
but they screw you with the cost of the ink!

Don

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:14 pm
From: Boston Blackie (PA Robert Black, or is it the other way 'round?)

On 2007-07-24 14:42:45 -0500, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:

> bob <bob@earthlink.net> wrote
>
>> Decentralized power such as this, could be a
>> threat to the fear-based boys who run the show.
>
> Not a chance, you watch.
>
> And there are no 'fear-based boys who run the show' either.
>
>> http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
>> "NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
>> Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
>> NEWARK, July 18, 2007
>
> Just another in a VERY long line of claims like this, not one of which has
> EVER turned out to be anything like as important as they claim they are.
>
>> Researchers at New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) have
>> developed an inexpensive solar cell that can be painted or printed on
>> flexible plastic sheets. The process is simple, said lead researcher
>> and author Somenath Mitra, PhD, professor and acting chair of NJIT's
>> Department of Chemistry and Environmental Sciences.
>
> Corse that's a stunningly impeccible source, eh ?
>
>> Someday homeowners will even be able to print sheets of
>> these solar cells with inexpensive home-based inkjet printers.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Consumers can then slap the finished product on a wall,
>> roof or billboard to create their own power stations." ...
>
> Nope. Just another stupid pig ignorant claim.

What, exactly, are your technical qualifications, Rod Speed? Are you a
Certified Aircraft Repair Technician?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Boston Blackie (PA Robert Black, or is it the other way 'round?) <bblackie@mail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> bob <bob@earthlink.net> wrote

>>> Decentralized power such as this, could be a
>>> threat to the fear-based boys who run the show.

>> Not a chance, you watch.

>> And there are no 'fear-based boys who run the show' either.

>>> http://www.njit.edu/publicinfo/press_releases/release_1040.php
>>> "NJIT Researchers Develop Inexpensive,
>>> Easy Process To Produce Solar Panels
>>> NEWARK, July 18, 2007

>> Just another in a VERY long line of claims like this, not one of which has
>>> EVER turned out to be anything like as important as they claim they are.

>>> Researchers at New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) have
>>> developed an inexpensive solar cell that can be painted or printed
>>> on flexible plastic sheets. The process is simple, said lead
>>> researcher and author Somenath Mitra, PhD, professor and acting
>>> chair of NJIT's Department of Chemistry and Environmental Sciences.

>> Corse that's a stunningly impeccible source, eh ?

>>> Someday homeowners will even be able to print sheets of
>>> these solar cells with inexpensive home-based inkjet printers.

>> Nope.

>>> Consumers can then slap the finished product on a wall,
>>> roof or billboard to create their own power stations." ...

>> Nope. Just another stupid pig ignorant claim.

> What, exactly, are your technical qualifications, Rod Speed?

What are yours, gutless ?

> Are you a Certified Aircraft Repair Technician?

Irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 1:35 pm
From: No 33 Secretary

Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3nuhn4-7t5.ln1@spanky.localhost.net:

> [snips]
>
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:22:06 +0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>>> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made.
>>> Shall we assume you cannot, and therefore were, in fact,
>>> simply lying?
>>>
>> Or perhaps you just want to suck my dick again.
>
> Again? Never did it once, so "again" wouldn't apply.

Heh.

> 'Sides,
> being straight and male, the notion doesn't interest me
> overmuch, but I wish you the best of luck in finding a willing
> partner.
>
Then you should stop begging in a public forum.

--
"If he does that shit again I'm going to tie his ass hairs together
and kick him in the shin."

Terry Austin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:23 pm
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:35:24 +0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:

> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:3nuhn4-7t5.ln1@spanky.localhost.net:
>
>> [snips]
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:22:06 +0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>
>>>> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made.
>>>> Shall we assume you cannot, and therefore were, in fact,
>>>> simply lying?
>>>>
>>> Or perhaps you just want to suck my dick again.
>>
>> Again? Never did it once, so "again" wouldn't apply.
>
> Heh.
>
>> 'Sides,
>> being straight and male, the notion doesn't interest me
>> overmuch, but I wish you the best of luck in finding a willing
>> partner.
>>
> Then you should stop begging in a public forum.

Umm... it was you who brought up the bit about me sucking your dick, not
I; if there's someone around here looking for such activities, logic would
suggest it was you, not I.

'Course, that said, if the best you have to offer is aspersions of
homosexuality, chances are you wouldn't be a very interesting partner even
for someone of the appropriate gender and orientation.

--
"Hardly, since, as far as I know Dr. Duane T. Gish, has not
'disavowed' those Paluxy Man tracks! It is evolutionists who have been
desperately trying to disavow them!" -- Liar Appleton

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TOPIC: whither the ice house?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:09 pm
From: "Steve Spence"

When power is in short supply, and winter provides sufficient ice, a ice
house is an appropriate solution. We have built in-basement ice houses, and
collected ice from the pond in winter. The ice stays with us through
October. Outdoor temps rarely exceed 90F here in upstate NY.

--
Steve Spence
Director, Green-Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
http://www.green-trust.org/bookshop/

"Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com> wrote in message
news:46a65c74$0$495$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> dances_with_barkadas@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> | how expensive would electricity have to become, before entrepreneurs
> | would devote time to becoming skilled at doing turn-key
> | installations of well-thought-out, conveniently-useable ice houses
> | in private homes, the way that there's a category of specialists
> | who do solar-hot-water installs?
>
> Judging by the speed with which already paid-for iceboxes were
> replaced with expensive compressor refrigerators, I think it'd need to
> get pretty expensive.
>
> There are other solutions available beside those you mentioned,
> including some solar refrigeration possibilities using solar-stirling
> lash-ups. I'm (slowly) working toward one such implementation -
> described at the link below...
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Stirling/
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 2:23 pm
From: "Morris Dovey"

Steve Spence wrote:
| When power is in short supply, and winter provides sufficient ice,
| a ice house is an appropriate solution. We have built in-basement
| ice houses, and collected ice from the pond in winter. The ice
| stays with us through October. Outdoor temps rarely exceed 90F here
| in upstate NY.

I'm not questioning the technical possibility. I'd suggest discussing
this issue with your wife/mother/grandmother before allowing yourself
to become too enthusiastic about this particular choice.

I remember iceboxes (in small town Michigan) and would assure you that
they weren't abandoned for reasons that had anything to do (directly)
with the technology involved.

I also remember that there weren't any frozen foods in the grocery
store.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2007 1:06 pm
From: "Morris Dovey"

dances_with_barkadas@yahoo.com wrote:

| how expensive would electricity have to become, before entrepreneurs
| would devote time to becoming skilled at doing turn-key
| installations of well-thought-out, conveniently-useable ice houses
| in private homes, the way that there's a category of specialists
| who do solar-hot-water installs?

Judging by the speed with which already paid-for iceboxes were
replaced with expensive compressor refrigerators, I think it'd need to
get pretty expensive.

There are other solutions available beside those you mentioned,
including some solar refrigeration possibilities using solar-stirling
lash-ups. I'm (slowly) working toward one such implementation -
described at the link below...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Stirling/

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