Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 14 topics

Friday, July 6, 2007

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Supreme Court reverses century-old ban on price fixing, inviting
mobster-like behavior from manufacturers.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d8c8a3f5ef4e846?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 4:55 am
From: Larry Bud

On Jul 5, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Read all about it,
>
> > Liberal to English dictionary:
> > Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
> > Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
> > Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
>
> > What's a businessman to do?
>
> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.

Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
like these.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 4:56 am
From: Larry Bud

On Jul 5, 2:06 pm, Regie_Satanis <recalcitran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 8:16 am, Larry Bud <larrybud2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Read all about it,
>
> > Liberal to English dictionary:
> > Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
> > Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
> > Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
>
> > What's a businessman to do?
>
> Isn't dumping what businesses accuse everyone else of doing when they
> can't compete?

Yes. You just can't win.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 7:17 am
From: George Grapman

Larry Bud wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>> On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Read all about it,
>>> Liberal to English dictionary:
>>> Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
>>> Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
>>> Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
>>> What's a businessman to do?
>> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
>> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.
>
> Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
> their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
> they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
> like these.
>
>
The manufacturer is forcing the retailer to sell at a set price
thereby limiting competition.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 8:36 am
From: Larry Bud

On Jul 6, 10:17 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>> On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> Read all about it,
> >>> Liberal to English dictionary:
> >>> Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
> >>> Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
> >>> Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
> >>> What's a businessman to do?
> >> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
> >> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.
>
> > Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
> > their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
> > they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
> > like these.
>
> The manufacturer is forcing the retailer to sell at a set price
> thereby limiting competition.

The retailer is free to buy or not to buy the product from the
manufacturer according to the contact the two have signed. If the
retailer doesn't like the terms, they shouldn't have signed the
contract.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 3:50 pm
From: George Grapman

Larry Bud wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:17 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>> On Jul 5, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> Read all about it,
>>>>> Liberal to English dictionary:
>>>>> Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
>>>>> Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
>>>>> Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
>>>>> What's a businessman to do?
>>>> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
>>>> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.
>>> Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
>>> their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
>>> they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
>>> like these.
>> The manufacturer is forcing the retailer to sell at a set price
>> thereby limiting competition.
>
> The retailer is free to buy or not to buy the product from the
> manufacturer according to the contact the two have signed. If the
> retailer doesn't like the terms, they shouldn't have signed the
> contract.
>
But is is hardly free enterprise to force them to sell at a certain
price.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 1:15 pm
From: George

George Grapman wrote:

>>>>> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
>>>>> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.
>>>> Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
>>>> their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
>>>> they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
>>>> like these.
>>> The manufacturer is forcing the retailer to sell at a set price
>>> thereby limiting competition.
>>
>> The retailer is free to buy or not to buy the product from the
>> manufacturer according to the contact the two have signed. If the
>> retailer doesn't like the terms, they shouldn't have signed the
>> contract.
>>
> But is is hardly free enterprise to force them to sell at a certain
> price.

Sure it is. I am a manufacturer and decide to set a floor price. If you
don't agree you don't buy from me.

I don't know the reason it reached the Supreme Court but I suspect many
manufacturers are tired of dealing with end users because
"cheapstuff.com" is selling their products for cheap with the only
service they provide is a cheap price. Where previously a store might
make a few bucks on a sale and be able to offer assistance in the
purchase such as advising suitability for use etc.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:33 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu

In misc.consumers.frugal-living George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:

> > But is is hardly free enterprise to force them to sell at a certain
> > price.

> Sure it is. I am a manufacturer and decide to set a floor price. If you
> don't agree you don't buy from me.

No, the manufacturer can set the price it wants to sell to the retailer,
but why should they set the price the retailer *must* sell to the
consumer. If I buy 10 widgets for $1 each, and for some reason decide
to sell them for 50 cents each, why should the seller have any say in
the matter? If the manufacturer doesn't want to sell me any more, fine,
but once I own something the previous owner doesn't get to tell me what
to do with it. The *only* place in law where that isn't true is with
restrictive covenants on real estate deeds, and real estate law is
separate and different from regular trade laws.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:38 am
From: Larry Bud

On Jul 6, 11:50 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 10:17 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>> On Jul 5, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >>>> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 4, 2:46 pm, funnybunnyf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Read all about it,
> >>>>> Liberal to English dictionary:
> >>>>> Sell your product for more than your competition: Price gouging
> >>>>> Sell your product for the same as your competition: Price fixing
> >>>>> Sell your product for less than your competition: Dumping
> >>>>> What's a businessman to do?
> >>>> The court is allowing manufacturers to set a minimum retail price.
> >>>> Hardly sounds like free enterprise.
> >>> Sure it is. Why shouldn't a company be allow to set terms on how
> >>> their product is sold? If the public and the retailers don't like it,
> >>> they won't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody to do ANYTHING in cases
> >>> like these.
> >> The manufacturer is forcing the retailer to sell at a set price
> >> thereby limiting competition.
>
> > The retailer is free to buy or not to buy the product from the
> > manufacturer according to the contact the two have signed. If the
> > retailer doesn't like the terms, they shouldn't have signed the
> > contract.
>
> But is is hardly free enterprise to force them to sell at a certain
> price

Of course it's free enterprise. As a retailer, you're free to buy
from the OEM or not. There's absolutely no coercion going on.

Free enterprise means that you're allowed to freely set the terms on
the product you sell, and others are feel to accept those terms or
not. The buyer doesn't have some inherient right to buy a product
according to terms the seller doesn't agree to. THAT is not free
enterprise.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:41 am
From: Larry Bud

On Jul 6, 1:33 pm, r...@vt.edu wrote:
> In misc.consumers.frugal-living George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > George Grapman wrote:
> > > But is is hardly free enterprise to force them to sell at a certain
> > > price.
> > Sure it is. I am a manufacturer and decide to set a floor price. If you
> > don't agree you don't buy from me.
>
> No, the manufacturer can set the price it wants to sell to the retailer,
> but why should they set the price the retailer *must* sell to the
> consumer.

Why "should" they, or why should they be ALLOWED to? There's a
difference.

They should be allowed to because, with free enterprise, you should be
allowed to conjure up whatever contract you want, regardless of how
ridiculous it might seem to others. Whether or not someone agrees to
that contract will depend on the free market.

> If I buy 10 widgets for $1 each, and for some reason decide
> to sell them for 50 cents each, why should the seller have any say in
> the matter?

Because in your contract with your supplier, you agreed that they have
a say. If you didn't like those terms, you should find another
supplier.

> but once I own something the previous owner doesn't get to tell me what
> to do with it.

They do if you agreed to that in your contract with your supplier.

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TOPIC: Continental Airlines and Kingfisher Airlines Announce Comprehensive
Partnership
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4511240fbbdee607?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:21 am
From: hamhrinep@gmail.com

'Kingfisher Airlines, one of the fastest growing airlines in India,
and Continental Airlines, announced that they have entered into a
comprehensive partnership for frequent flyer and airport lounge access
reciprocity and future codesharing, providing better service to
customers who travel between India and the U.S. and transfer between
the two carriers'. I found the details at

http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/803.htm

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TOPIC: How to Use the Internet to Advertise, Promote and Market Your Business
or Website with Little or No Money
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c346c93fa6f056f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:34 am
From: "dansoyke@webtv.net"

How to Use the Internet to Advertise, Promote and Market Your Business
or Website with Little or No Money
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 8:45 am
From: clams casino

dansoyke@webtv.net wrote:

>How to Use the Internet to Advertise, Promote and Market Your Business
>
>
>
Somehow, a spammer using webtv is not where I'd look for up-to-date advice.

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TOPIC: Adult Website Money: How to Build, Start, and Market an Adult Website
Business for Little to No Cost in 30 Days!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a547f07df514648d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:39 am
From: "dansoyke@webtv.net"

Adult Website Money: How to Build, Start, and Market an Adult Website
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TOPIC: Internet Riches: The Simple Money-making Secrets of Online Millionaires
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d2be026ab348acb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:43 am
From: "dansoyke@webtv.net"

Internet Riches: The Simple Money-making Secrets of Online
Millionaires
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TOPIC: eBay Income: How Anyone of Any Age, Location, and/or Background Can
Build a Highly Profitable Online Business with eBay
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a75c9bbad446c0d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:45 am
From: "dansoyke@webtv.net"

eBay Income: How Anyone of Any Age, Location, and/or Background Can
Build a Highly Profitable Online Business with eBay
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TOPIC: Multiple Streams of Internet Income: How Ordinary People Make
Extraordinary Money Online
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/970e74d546846dde?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:48 am
From: "dansoyke@webtv.net"

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TOPIC: What is the rationale to price something as $9.99 instead of $10?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ca438cb73666596e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 3:01 pm
From: Jeff

Logan Shaw wrote:

> clams casino wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> What is a more interesting question is when did gas stations start
>>> doing this fractional pricing? It goes back as far as I remember.
>
>
>> You must be getting up there in years as the practice dates back to
>> the late twenties.
>
>
> Impeccable logic there... He could be 6 years old and still be able to
> rightly say "goes back as far as I remember". ;-)

I thought the same thing, but could not have put it as eloquently as
that! Well done!

Jeff
>
> - Logan

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TOPIC: FREE COUPONS FROM MAJOR STORES!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9e9db944549b163b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: fridge use power saving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2cc260293c68afaf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 9:57 am
From: val189

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TOPIC: Finding 1 cent items on Amazon.com?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/953533e0b4429060?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 9:57 am
From: Abe

There are times when I buy an item from amazon.com that costs 24.99,
and I need to add a 1 cent item to get to $25, and free super saver
shipping.

I haven't found any easy way to find 1 cent (or even 5 cent or so)
items at Amazon, although I know they must exist.

Anyone have insight into this? Maybe a place that indexes these kinds
of items, or an Amazon search query that I haven't thought of?

Thanks.

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TOPIC: The Empty Tomb And Trashing Da Vinci Code ! Jesus Died And Rose Again!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d56e719ca14232b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:01 am
From: tent

Jesus' tomb was sealed by the Roman government and
soldiers guarded it.The third day it was empty.Two angels appeared
to the women who were visiting the tomb early in the morning and told
them."Why you seek the living among the dead He is not here.He is
risen."Luke;24

Jesus did not die secretly in an unknown place.He died
publicly, in the broad day light. A whole city and a great crowd
watched him dying on the cross.His mother and his disciples were
there and he spoke to them.A series of events like darkness and
earthquake took place at the time of his death. Witnessing that the
Roman captain feared greatly and said,"Truly this was the Son of
God." Mathew; 27:54.
While Jesus was on the earth with his disciples, he
predicted about his sufferings, death and resurrection at least a
dozen times.Just before going to Jerusalem for the last time, Jesus
spoke to his disciples about everything that would happen to him
there.[About his death on the cross and being raised on the third
day] A few days before this Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and
spoke about his death which was about to take place in Jerusalem.
[Luke;9:30]
One of the main reasons Lord Jesus came to the earth
was to die on the cross and thus make atonement for the sins of all
mankind. About seven hundred years before the birth of Jesus,
Prophet Isaiah prophesied so many things concerning the life of
Jesus including his sufferings and death on the cross.In one place
he wrote like this "He was wounded for our transgressions, He was
bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon
Him, And by His stripes we are healed."Isaiah;53:5 Jesus came as the
Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.This is why Jesus
died on the cross-As the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the
world..Jesus spoke about this," No one takes it [ My life] from Me,
but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have
power to take it again"John;10:18 Just as he said he would Jesus
gave up his life and took it back.On the third day Jesus rose from
the dead and showed the nail marks on his hands to his disciples and
proved that he died and rose again.Why Jesus Died And Rose Again ?
To find out more about this in detail please visit ;
http://www.gilead.ws

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:20 am
From: noone@nowhere.com

>Jesus did not die secretly in an unknown place.He died
>publicly, in the broad day light. A whole city and a great crowd
>watched him dying on the cross.His mother and his disciples were
>there and he spoke to them.A series of events like darkness and
>earthquake took place at the time of his death. Witnessing that the
>Roman captain feared greatly and said,"Truly this was the Son of
>God." Mathew; 27:54.
>http://www.gilead.ws
Fuck you. Jesus was a pedophile and buttfucker to boot.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:20 am
From: Abe

> Jesus' tomb was sealed by the Roman government and
>soldiers guarded it.The third day it was empty.Two angels appeared
>to the women who were visiting the tomb early in the morning and told
>them."Why you seek the living among the dead He is not here.He is
>risen."Luke;24
>To find out more about this in detail please visit ;
>http://www.gilead.ws
Fuck you. Jesus was a pedophile and buttfucker to boot.

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TOPIC: Google Spider Goats [A public information film for all Americans]
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/86d63ff4ecca18bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 10:42 am
From: Custard Cream

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TOPIC: SILICONE GASKET for FAGOR pressure cooker
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cc7dae9b6b220cb4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 6 2007 5:50 pm
From: padams2700@bellsouth.net (Adam)

On 28 Feb 2007 15:28:16 -0800, "nucleus" <rose122550@yahoo.com> wrote:

>does anyone here have any experience with longevity of the Fagor
>SILICONE GASKET for pressure cookers, as compared to the
>PLAIN RUBBER GASKET?

I still use my original gasket. The Fagor is four years old and I use
it minimum of twice a week.

>we now need our third gasket for our Fagor pressure cooker. seems
>like Fagor has a bad design of their pressure cooker or a bad
>design/selection of rubber material for their gasket. we have tried
>all of the tricks for sealing the gasket, from oil to vaseline, with
>vaseline
>being the best suggestion.

As has been said - those products have deterioated your gasket
quicker.

>we suspect that Fagor's requirement that the gasket be replaced every
>12 months, is a ploy to keep draining the consumer's purse.

As I said, four years and counting no problem here.

>the plain gasket was NEVER a problem with the old MIRRO pressure
>cooker.
>
>COMMENTS ???
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