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TOPIC: Sprint have best data plan bar none?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/82997683968594ac?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 2:55 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <06gmb3165hh782jdhjq182a0lp8q68eodq@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> I'm thinking of switching cell carriers and upgrading
> to smart phone that has email and Internet access
>
> It "appears" to me that for $15/month I can get
> unlimited data through spint whereas other carriers
> typically want $40/month for that.
>
> Is this correct? Am I reading their info correct?
>
> Does Sprint have best data plan bar none so far?

Not having ever tried Sprint and not knowing what your criteria for
"best" is, I can't say, but you are going about this the wrong way.
Price is certainly important, but its a distant second compared to
service quality in the area where you will be using the service most.
The "best" plan means nothing if the reception stinks.

You didn't say where you intend to use your cell phone service, but ask
friends, neighbors, business associates, and relatives what they would
recommend in terms of service quality in the area where you plan to use
your cell phone most, then proceed from there.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 7:00 pm
From: Rick

Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> In article <06gmb3165hh782jdhjq182a0lp8q68eodq@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking of switching cell carriers and upgrading
> > to smart phone that has email and Internet access
> >
> > It "appears" to me that for $15/month I can get
> > unlimited data through spint whereas other carriers
> > typically want $40/month for that.
> >
> > Is this correct? Am I reading their info correct?
> >
> > Does Sprint have best data plan bar none so far?
>
> Not having ever tried Sprint and not knowing what your criteria for
> "best" is, I can't say, but you are going about this the wrong way.
> Price is certainly important, but its a distant second compared to
> service quality in the area where you will be using the service most.
> The "best" plan means nothing if the reception stinks.
>
> You didn't say where you intend to use your cell phone service, but ask
> friends, neighbors, business associates, and relatives what they would
> recommend in terms of service quality in the area where you plan to use
> your cell phone most, then proceed from there.

You know what's bad customer service? I found someone's cell phone on a
bus. It only had enough power to display the Sprint logo before shutting
down again. I (tried to) call Sprint to find out how to return it. The
Sprint customer service number, found in the battery compartment,
refused to allow you access to anyone in customer service - even if you
wanted to report a recovered cell phone - unless you put in a valid
account phone number first. Any other combination of "O", "*0", "#0" or
even any bogus phone number would result in the Sprint customer service
system just hanging up on you.

They could have easily traced the phone to the owner by the serial
number in the battery compartment. They didn't leave me much choice -
after trying to get through more than a half dozen times I just tossed
the damned thing out. If that's the best you can expect from Sprint - no
thanks...

Ric

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 9:02 pm
From: Gordon

me@privacy.net wrote in news:06gmb3165hh782jdhjq182a0lp8q68eodq@4ax.com:

> I'm thinking of switching cell carriers and upgrading
> to smart phone that has email and Internet access
>
> It "appears" to me that for $15/month I can get
> unlimited data through spint whereas other carriers
> typically want $40/month for that.
>
> Is this correct? Am I reading their info correct?
>
> Does Sprint have best data plan bar none so far?

AT&T has simular plans called Media Max Bundles. I think
they range in price from $9.99 and up.

When comparing data access plans be sure to check the
bandwidth. The old Nextel (now owned by Sprint) system
is only dial-up speed. Get the technical details on line.
I'm not sure what system Sprint is using.

Also Cricket Wireless has an addon to their unlimited
voice plan that allows unlimited data access.

If you have a laptop, do your mobile data access one
better by getting a smart phone with a USB connection.
THen you can tether your laptop to the phone and have
wireless access for your laptop.

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TOPIC: Excuse me!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8dc27f26c48c008d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 2:58 pm
From: Al Bundy

z.m.a...@gmail.com wrote:
> Excuse me!! Would you stop for a moment?!
> Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
> Who has made it?
> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
> Have you seen a wonderful, delicate work without a worker ?!
> It's you and the whole universe!.. Who has made them all ?!!
> You know who ?.. It's "ALLAH",prise be to him.
> Just think for a moment. How are you going to be after death ?!
> Can you believe that this exact system of the universe and all of
> these great creation will end in nothing...just after death!
> Haven't you thought about what is the right religion?!
> Here you will get the answer
>
BS and more BS. If you believed any of your own words, you would not
have to seek the reinforcement of strangers online.

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TOPIC: Idea for Cheap Alarm System
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e01b99bf93bb10f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 3:10 pm
From: "rabbid"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:46bb7d64$0$27237$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> EdwardATeller wrote:
>
> That said, monitoring contracts don't have to cost $20-30/month. See
> "http://www.alarmrelay.com/" There may be others that are even cheaper.

this bunch has online support for diy. look out rlb. frank prob wont be
able to shut them down like he did u.

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TOPIC: Best small freezer (5-7 cu ft)??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c31b87015e4bdb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 2:43 pm
From: Wayne Sallee

Rod Speed wrote on 8/9/2007 3:38 PM:
> Wayne Sallee <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote
>
>>> But isn't an upright freezer working against mother
>>> nature every time you pen it.... as cold air would
>>> "fall" out of it rather than being "constrained" in a
>>> chest freezer even if lid opened?
>
>> Yea it's the choice between efficiency of electrical consumption,
>
> The difference is actually quite small, essentialy because
> the thermal capacity of the air is trivial compared with the
> thermal capacity of what is stored in the freezer.
>
>> or efficiency of use.
>
>

That's a good point. It does not take long to cool
the air inside the freezer.

Wayne Sallee
Webmaster@LeesburgNazarene.org

--
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TOPIC: Tips to saving money while in Paris.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/afc050f5e7ab0174?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 3:16 pm
From: "Knight Of The Road"

"Magda" <hello@keepthis.hu> wrote

> Alas, I'm afraid that living in such squalor contributed to shorten his
> life... :(

I'm not so sure- Orwell *was* an Old Etonian and there is always the feeling
that he could have pushed the "stop" button whenever he chose.

--
Regards, Vince.

International Trucking Photographs- - http://200476.aceboard.net/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 3:23 pm
From: Magda

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:16:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Knight Of The Road"
<russiatrucking@hotmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... "Magda" <hello@keepthis.hu> wrote
...
...
... > Alas, I'm afraid that living in such squalor contributed to shorten his
... > life... :(
...
... I'm not so sure- Orwell *was* an Old Etonian and there is always the feeling
... that he could have pushed the "stop" button whenever he chose.

He had TB!

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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8fd0a8f8cf6b86d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 3:20 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <gffhb3lruppft7uvcb605hj4r580cge9oa@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> spinner.barry@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
> >> and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
> >> enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
> >> cutting would hinder?
> >
> >Yes, to first Q. And yes, to second Q when there is a special-
> >purpose coating only.
>
> The vitamins I have are generic Walmart brand
> multivitamins for people over age 50
>
> How can I tell if they have enteric coating on them
> just by looking at them?
>
> Label has no info on whether or not it has enteric
> coating.

Your vitamins probably don't have an enteric coating, otherwise it would
say so on the label. When in doubt though, contact the manufacturer or
seller.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 3:33 pm
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TOPIC: Free Mobile Unlocking...
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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 6:32 pm
From: Jimington

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:05:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.
>
>>>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!
>
>>>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?
>
>>>>> The top half of the NSW coast.
>
>>>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.
>
>>>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>>>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>>>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.
>
>>> Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>>> they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>>> stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.
>
>> Things never seem to change without the trigger of death.
>
>Not for that sort of shooting of the dangerous wildlife, anyway.
>
>> I'm wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge
>> up our street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared
>> with traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because
>> whoever is asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
>> I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.
>
>Yeah, I was amazed at how many walk on the road when getting
>some exercise around here. Not surprising that they do, since
>there are no footpaths, but someone is gunna get killed eventually.

Actually i don't have a major drama with the road, my beef is with the
bridge at the end of it. You fired me up to take some photos, so i
posted a bitch about it here
http://inghamwebcam.com/log/log.html

I think you'll find much walking is done because it's their only way
to get about. Car ownership is far from universal here.
I suppose the emptying of dogs in the park opposite counts as leisure
walking though.
>
>>>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.
>
>>>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.
>
>>> Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>>> thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>>> has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.
>
>> We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's
>> born here anymore since they shut down the maternity ward.
>
>Yeah, tho even 30 years ago, some chose not to have the brat
>here, just because if the shit hits the fan, the facilitys arent as good.
>
>> Now the mothers to be face a 90 minute drive for that. A lot of health
>> problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they can't find staff.
>
>Yeah, we've always had almost all of ours overseas trained.
>30+ years ago they were all poms, now mostly asians. And
>thats not just the hospital either, the GPs and specialists as well.
>
>> However i'm dubious about the future, the economic management
>> of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
>> the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.
>
>> The PM is right to criticise them.
>
>Yeah, Bleaty was making a fool of himself on TV last night.
>
>>>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>>>> is better there than in the southern areas.
>
>>> Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.
>
>>> Coastal NSW is much better than that.
>
>> Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
>> areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.
>
>Sure.
>
>>>> Not as hot
>
>>> Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>>> 100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.
>
>>> Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.
>
>>>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.
>
>>> True.
>
>>>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.
>
>>> Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.
>
>>>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
>>>> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.
>
>>> Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.
>
>> We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.
>
>Yeah, me too.
>
>>> Biting insects are a problem too.
>
>>> Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>>> all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.
>
>> Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.
>
>They're a lot worse than that. Right thru the day too, not just after dark.

The frog population must be pretty comfortable at least.
>
>>>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>>>>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>>>>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>>>>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.
>
>>>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>>>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>>>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.
>
>>> Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.
>
>> Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services.
>
>Yeah, bet the medical facilitys are pretty primitive.
>Let alone even basic stuff like GPs.
>
>> There's a need for a population injection in a huge part of the
>> country but the city folk only see how crowded they are and
>> pooh-pooh any thought of opening the immigration gates.
>
>True.
>
>>>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a
>>>> lot of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling
>>>> of our population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major
>>>> centres, putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of
>>>> remote areas.
>
>>> Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.
>
>> And there's no sign of a turnaround
>
>Yeah, in many ways its got much worse.
>
>My heart specialist is a south african. He used to live here but now
>flys in from Sydney every week and spends most of the week here.
>He's a jew and there is no synagog here and he wants to send his
>kids to private schools, so has chosen to do it like that. Gunna be
>interesting to see how long he keeps that up for.

Being a doctor is a licence to print money, so i guess as long as he
likes. You've gotta love the overtime they book up, much of it spent
asleep waiting for the off chance of an emergency.
>
>>>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>>>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.
>
>>> Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.
>

Jim.

http://inghamwebcam.com/
My dull website.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 8:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>>>>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

>>>>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

>>>>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>>>>>> The top half of the NSW coast.

>>>>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>>>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>>>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>>>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

>>>>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>>>>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>>>>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.

>>>> Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>>>> they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>>>> stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

>>> Things never seem to change without the trigger of death.

>> Not for that sort of shooting of the dangerous wildlife, anyway.

>>> I'm wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge
>>> up our street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared
>>> with traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because
>>> whoever is asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
>>> I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.

>> Yeah, I was amazed at how many walk on the road when getting
>> some exercise around here. Not surprising that they do, since
>> there are no footpaths, but someone is gunna get killed eventually.

> Actually i don't have a major drama with the road, my
> beef is with the bridge at the end of it. You fired me up
> to take some photos, so i posted a bitch about it here
> http://inghamwebcam.com/log/log.html

> I think you'll find much walking is done because it's their only way to get about.

Ours are almost entirely getting the exercise. Vastly more women than
men and mostly very early in the morning, but right thru the day too.

> Car ownership is far from universal here. I suppose the emptying
> of dogs in the park opposite counts as leisure walking though.

>>>>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>>>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>>>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

>>>>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.

>>>> Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>>>> thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>>>> has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

>>> We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's
>>> born here anymore since they shut down the maternity ward.

>> Yeah, tho even 30 years ago, some chose not to have the brat here,
>> just because if the shit hits the fan, the facilitys arent as good.

>>> Now the mothers to be face a 90 minute drive for that. A lot of health
>>> problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they can't find staff.

>> Yeah, we've always had almost all of ours overseas trained.
>> 30+ years ago they were all poms, now mostly asians. And
>> thats not just the hospital either, the GPs and specialists as well.

>>> However i'm dubious about the future, the economic management
>>> of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
>>> the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.

>>> The PM is right to criticise them.

>> Yeah, Bleaty was making a fool of himself on TV last night.

>>>>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>>>>> is better there than in the southern areas.

>>>> Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.

>>>> Coastal NSW is much better than that.

>>> Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
>>> areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.

>> Sure.

>>>>> Not as hot

>>>> Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>>>> 100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.

>>>> Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.

>>>>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.

>>>> True.

>>>>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.

>>>> Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or
>>>> Victoria either.

>>>>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away
>>>>> from home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's
>>>>> spotless.

>>>> Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

>>> We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.

>> Yeah, me too.

>>>> Biting insects are a problem too.

>>>> Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>>>> all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

>>> Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.

>> They're a lot worse than that. Right thru the day too, not just after dark.

> The frog population must be pretty comfortable at least.

Didnt actually go near the swamp itself, the problem was so bad on the
dunes at the back of the beach we pissed off after about an hour or so.

>>>>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>>>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>>>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its
>>>>>> such a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a
>>>>>> problem tho. No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and
>>>>>> getting stinking rich on the very high wages they pay in the
>>>>>> mining industry tho.

>>>>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>>>>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>>>>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.

>>>> Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.

>>> Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services.

>> Yeah, bet the medical facilitys are pretty primitive.
>> Let alone even basic stuff like GPs.

>>> There's a need for a population injection in a huge part of the
>>> country but the city folk only see how crowded they are and
>>> pooh-pooh any thought of opening the immigration gates.

>> True.

>>>>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a
>>>>> lot of other livability factors would fall into place but the
>>>>> doubling of our population over the last 50 years has all gone to
>>>>> the major centres, putting extra stress on them and sucking the
>>>>> life out of remote areas.

>>>> Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.

>>> And there's no sign of a turnaround

>> Yeah, in many ways its got much worse.

>> My heart specialist is a south african. He used to live here but now
>> flys in from Sydney every week and spends most of the week here.
>> He's a jew and there is no synagog here and he wants to send his
>> kids to private schools, so has chosen to do it like that. Gunna be
>> interesting to see how long he keeps that up for.

> Being a doctor is a licence to print money, so i guess as long as he likes.

Yeah, he charges well over the rebate, but then all of them do that.

> You've gotta love the overtime they book up, much of it
> spent asleep waiting for the off chance of an emergency.

He's the one that does the hospital rounds when he's
here, and does those very early in the morning, 7am ish.

The previous sri lankan that has retired now stands in for him on the weekend etc.

>>>>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>>>>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.
>>
>>>> Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.

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TOPIC: Pat Meadows??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/08193dd76461ee08?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 7:40 pm
From: "nana wilson"

Nana

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TOPIC: Yaseen
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7d6a8db852508876?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 8:22 pm
From: "laelahaellallah@gmail.com"

http://live.islamweb.net/Quran/MeshariAl3affasy/36.mp3

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TOPIC: Agents find 50 illegal immigrants in tractor-trailer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5503a24a283c2714?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 8:36 pm
From: "Morton Davis"

<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1186688567.171522.123710@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 9, 9:44 am, greg3347 <theodor...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Meantime the hacks in Washington DC cannot muster the courage to seal
> > our southern border. Both
> > Dems and Repugs pander for the mestizo vote and for the contributions
> > from the cheap labor lobby
> > as manifested by the United States Chamber of Whores (Used to be
> > Chamber of Commerce)
>
> Our troops are trying to preserve order in Baghdad when Washington
> allows this daily invasion here. "Homeland security" - what a joke.
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk4MhwNfiA&NR=1

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TOPIC: starbucks humor
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a8096ba9818ad7d?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 9:08 pm
From: Gordon

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05:

> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an
> airport and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof
> ordering a drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot
> half-decaf extra hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked
> sprinkle dinkle doo".

And the overworked and tired barista looks the costomer
in the eye and says "You want a regular coffee or I'll
punch you in the head"

...If only.

>GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"?
> damn yuppies.
>

I love walking up to a coffee stand and ordering
"Coffee Please".

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TOPIC: Bump on the road to a free iPod
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f6318a0edcf1e715?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 9:17 pm
From: Gordon

Hit my first bump on the road to getting a free iPod out of
Key Bank. My employer won't split up my direct deposit
between two banks. So now I have to figure out how to get
$200.00 into the account without getting hit with a $5.00
Teller charge, or a wire transfer fee, or an ATM fee. Hmmmm.

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TOPIC: Inexpensive hotels in Westchester county
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8190c4a851d209cd?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 9:49 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <41Iti.21686$lZ7.7476@newsfe20.lga>,
"hankus" <hbienert@cox.net> wrote:

> WE need to be in Westchester county the second and third weeks in September
> and will be visiting the NEW BABY in Mt Vernon...we will have our car so RR
> access is not needed...any reasonably priced places to stay?

Check online travel sites such as http://www.tripadvisor.com ,

http://www.hotels.com and http://www.expedia.com to see what turns up.

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TOPIC: Frugal pre-paid funeral expenses?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ce3b2b4cec57072f?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 9 2007 11:34 pm
From: Logan Shaw

bb90125@yahoo.com wrote:
> However, I also know that the decision to end one's life can be a
> perfectly rational one, that is well thought-out.
>
> When I took a very concentrated look at what the lasting effects would
> be related to my passing there just simply is no doubt in my mind that
> it's going to be a very good and worthwhile thing. I never made any
> kind of impact in life, or deep connections to people. As for my
> family, when I think about the income they've spent on me since
> childhood (support, food, clothes, school, etc), it's staggering to
> think of how all of this has been wasted. I've also never been any
> kind of success in terms of making good money or having any kind of
> decent job. All of my jobs have been dead-end, and with no benefits.
> All of this takes a toll on a family over a period of many years.
> Eventually, you can tell how ashamed they are of you inside. They
> won't say it of course, but it's true.
>
> I'm sure my suicide at first may not be the most comfortable thing for
> them (since when anyone dies it can be a shock).
>
> But when I think of the years they'll have without having to deal with
> anything related to me anymore, it's really going to a very good thing
> for all. After a few years, and memories start to fade, their lives
> will have returned to how things were before I was around.

I am surprised to see you place such a low value on yourself. And I
am surprised that you think your parents place such a low value on you.
Most parents want nothing more than to help out their children in
whatever way they can. And where there are exceptions to that, the
parents are the ones who are amiss. I obviously don't know your
parents personally, but I'm sure they spent all that income on you
because they wanted to. Everyone is faced with choices in life, and
I'm sure if someone asked them whether they'd rather keep the money or
use it to care for their child, they would say without hesitation that
they want to use it for their child. Obviously they must be thinking
something like this because that is what they've chosen to do.

And even if you had disappointed them in some way, it doesn't mean
they'd be happier if you weren't around. Not in the short run, and
not in the long run either. I bet what would make them the happiest
is if you realized your own worth and learned to treat yourself like
what you are worth instead of treating yourself like you are worth
less than you really are. I bet it would make you happier, too.

To be honest, you sound really down on yourself. And you know what?
That's OK, because it's just a feeling, and from time to time people
have feelings that come out of left field. Sometimes chronically.
It's just part of being human. What I wish for you is that you will
see past it and see yourself as worth what you really are, rather
than, I hate to say it, seeing with the distorted view you seem to
have right now.

I guess it's cheesy to quote song lyrics, but there is a song by
Victoria Williams called "Century Plant" that I think has a lot of
truth to it. Lyrics here:

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/victoria-williams-century-plant-lyrics.html

- Logan

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