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Monday, August 6, 2007

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TOPIC: FREE! A GLOBAL HOME BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY FREE!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5864ef692ac1cc9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 10:19 am
From: George Grapman

If it is free why do the want my credit card?

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TOPIC: The Made in China Bogeyman
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b5476492d573449?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:07 am
From: "Pss"

Meghan Noecker wrote:
> Do you think the people in China give a damn about our cats and dogs?
> I've seen videos of the cats and dogs in cages at marketplaces being
> sold for food, so I don't think they really have a clue what they mean
> to us here.

If cows & chickens can be sold for food, why can't cats & dogs
be???

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:17 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:25:58 -0700, Meghan Noecker
<friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:

>So, no, I will never buy pet food with wheat gluten in it ever again.
>And I will not buy the brands of food that got hit by this either
>since I have seen no proof that they will discontinue using
>ingredients from China. I see no reason to buy food products from
>China until they follow our standards in producing and handling the
>food.

An excellent attitude. Be discriminating and smart in anything you
do.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:58 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:37:58 +0530, "Pss" <pss@ssp.com> wrote:

>If cows & chickens can be sold for food, why can't cats & dogs
>be???

possums, skunks, armadillo?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:37:58 +0530, "Pss" <pss@ssp.com> wrote:
>
>> If cows & chickens can be sold for food, why can't cats & dogs
>> be???
>
>
> possums, skunks, armadillo?

The chinese have always been notorious for eating absolutely anything.

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TOPIC: Conspiracies Revealed!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abcba658bc9c8333?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:08 am
From: conspiracy.black@gmail.com

http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy - Find out who really shot JFK!,
learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
declining birth rate. Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
revealed here.

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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> How is the weather down there?

>> Not bad, winter here, significant rain,

> Rod I forget....what city you in in Aus?

> And.... what is the average winter temp there?

Mean max in July, the coldest month is 14.3C, 58F
Mean min is 2.3C, 38F

> Does it get below freezing?

The overnight minimum does.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:00 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>me@privacy.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> How is the weather down there?
>
>>> Not bad, winter here, significant rain,
>
>> Rod I forget....what city you in in Aus?
>
>> And.... what is the average winter temp there?
>
>Mean max in July, the coldest month is 14.3C, 58F
>Mean min is 2.3C, 38F
>
>> Does it get below freezing?
>
>The overnight minimum does.
>

Still tho.... a lot milder than winter here in northern
Missouri! <g>

Id say we have abt two week of weather in mid January
where temps never get above 20 degrees F. Maybe lower

So the Aussie climate sounds MUCH more agreeable to me!

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:53 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> How is the weather down there?

>>>> Not bad, winter here, significant rain,

>>> Rod I forget....what city you in in Aus?

>>> And.... what is the average winter temp there?

>> Mean max in July, the coldest month is 14.3C, 58F
>> Mean min is 2.3C, 38F

>>> Does it get below freezing?

>> The overnight minimum does.

> Still tho.... a lot milder than winter here in northern Missouri! <g>

Sure, its a lot closer to non coastal Texas, but without the snow.

> Id say we have abt two week of weather in mid January
> where temps never get above 20 degrees F. Maybe lower

Its very rare that the daily max doesnt get above 32F, like once in a decade or more.

> So the Aussie climate sounds MUCH more agreeable to me!

Yeah, tho its pretty hot in summer, 10 days over 100F isnt that unusual.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 4:22 pm
From: Millhaven

Is marijuana legal? What about prostitution?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Millhaven <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:

> Is marijuana legal?

Technically its decriminalised rather than legal in some states and territorys.

In practice you dont even get fined unless its commercial quantitys and cultivation etc.

> What about prostitution?

That was never illegal here. Some activitys like soliciting for prostitution,
brothels and living off prostitutes, was illegal is mostly legal now.
The main exception is a few special cases like soliciting for prostitution
outside schools etc and fucking in the street etc isnt legal, but then that
last isnt legal even when its not for money.

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TOPIC: Food Fraud: Not China this time
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/245ac529c9e4870a?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 11:27 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Peter Bruells <pb@ecce-terram.de> wrote
> Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> writes
>> Dennis wrote

>>> I agree. And here's another aspect: The western industrialized
>>> world has been and continues to be regularly beat up for all the
>>> mistakes that it made on the way up. The Chinese might as well
>>> accept that it's part of the package and deal with it.

>> The mistakes are now known. The Chinese don't have to repeat all of them.

Its non trivial to ensure compliance by all manufacturers in an operation of that size.

Its clear that even a very gung ho death penalty for corruption isnt enough.

> Repeating mistakes other people made is a human pastime.

And the same complaints were made about the Japs at one time too.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:24 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:21:50 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:

>I read a pretty thoughtful article on this subject recently, that said the
>Chinese are pretty much where the U.S. was a hundred years or so ago in the
>development of an industrial economy. As PaPa doesn't seem to realize or
>perhaps be willing to acknowledge, this does not necessarily make the
>Chinese evil or ignorant in the eyes of Western observers, it just means
>they have quite a bit of evolution still to do in areas like quality control
>and safety. I suspect they'll go through all the steps pretty quickly, but
>they'll still have to go through them. The spin you're talking about is one
>of those steps <g>.
>

Fair enough. Everything is happening at lighting speed in China.
Things like formal and scientific methods for industrial process food
production have to be accomplished in a very compressed time.
Problems and oversights will inevitably happen and will be immediately
addressed and the solution found. There are no complex technologies
involved or have to be invented. Safe products are as important to
domestic consumers as they are to export customers. Furthermore there
is no profit in running a sub-standard production line for domestic
consumption.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:43 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:21:50 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> I read a pretty thoughtful article on this subject recently, that
>> said the Chinese are pretty much where the U.S. was a hundred years
>> or so ago in the development of an industrial economy. As PaPa
>> doesn't seem to realize or perhaps be willing to acknowledge, this
>> does not necessarily make the Chinese evil or ignorant in the eyes
>> of Western observers, it just means they have quite a bit of
>> evolution still to do in areas like quality control and safety. I
>> suspect they'll go through all the steps pretty quickly, but they'll
>> still have to go through them. The spin you're talking about is one
>> of those steps <g>.
>>
>
>
> Fair enough. Everything is happening at lighting speed in China.
> Things like formal and scientific methods for industrial process food
> production have to be accomplished in a very compressed time.
> Problems and oversights will inevitably happen and will be immediately
> addressed and the solution found. There are no complex technologies
> involved or have to be invented. Safe products are as important to
> domestic consumers as they are to export customers.

But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.

> Furthermore there is no profit in running a sub-standard
> production line for domestic consumption.

Mindlessly silly.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:52 pm
From: Peter Bruells

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> writes:

> Fair enough. Everything is happening at lighting speed in China.
> Things like formal and scientific methods for industrial process food
> production have to be accomplished in a very compressed time.
> Problems and oversights will inevitably happen and will be immediately
> addressed and the solution found. There are no complex technologies
> involved or have to be invented. Safe products are as important to
> domestic consumers as they are to export customers. Furthermore there
> is no profit in running a sub-standard production line for domestic
> consumption.

In China, there is. Because a large number of customers will not know
better. And if there's an accident: We are talking about a country
where people who lose an arm in factory accident get the equivalent of
150 Euro (170 USD) and a pink slip.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:29 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:43:27 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
>the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
>something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.

It will take too much effort to go into the whole economic history of
Chinese agriculture. Here something for you to chew on. On 7 per
cent of the world's agricultural land China supports 20 per cent of
the world's population. This is possible only because the Chinese
have evolved methods (in its over 5000 year history) to farm the land
to provide maximum output yet without ruining the land. That is quite
an accomplishment.

By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown veggies in
your grocery stores or canned ones either. Don't worry your pretty
little head what stuff trhe Chinese eat in their homes any more they
worry about what you eat in yours.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:41 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On 06 Aug 2007 22:52:32 +0200, Peter Bruells <pb@ecce-terram.de>
wrote:

>PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Fair enough. Everything is happening at lighting speed in China.
>> Things like formal and scientific methods for industrial process food
>> production have to be accomplished in a very compressed time.
>> Problems and oversights will inevitably happen and will be immediately
>> addressed and the solution found. There are no complex technologies
>> involved or have to be invented. Safe products are as important to
>> domestic consumers as they are to export customers. Furthermore there
>> is no profit in running a sub-standard production line for domestic
>> consumption.
>

Until very recently there was no such thing as factory produced
national branded foods and goods and people pretty much have to rely
on their smarts on what they buy. Brand names don't mean heck of a
lot today either and people still haven't lost their smarts. You'll
get the consumer injury cases whether they are unclean peasant made
stuff or the factory made stuff. But somehow the severity of the
damage in China is never the extent you get in the States. Do Chinese
have better smarts and iron constitutions as compared to delicate
Westerners? Probably.

>In China, there is. Because a large number of customers will not know
>better. And if there's an accident: We are talking about a country
>where people who lose an arm in factory accident get the equivalent of
>150 Euro (170 USD) and a pink slip.

Given the direction this thread is going we might as well attribute
the factory with grinding that arm into the mix too. After all
protein is protein and Soylent Green is a western delicacy.

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TOPIC: Backhoe or dozer rental
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/62c19fdb9643f800?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 1:47 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:50:25 -0000, Brian Elfert <belfert@visi.com>
wrote:

>Do rental places really rent dozers, backhoes, and the like to folks who
>have no experience with them?
>
>Sure, they want the money from the rental, but they also don't want a
>$20,000 and up machine damaged or destroyed due to inexperience.

The rental places that I have seen use a contract that makes the
renter liable for damages beyond normal wear and tear. Evidently it
is sufficient, given that many such places stay in business.

Seems like equipment rental businesses must have a similar
situation/practice as those that rent cars.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

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TOPIC: NICEOFFERS.COM
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d9f93fe0d3ac5f4?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:27 pm
From: Duke

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TOPIC: OK to cut vitamins in half?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8fd0a8f8cf6b86d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:33 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Been thinking abt starting to take a daily vitamin such
as Centrum

But got to looking at label and some of the doses are
at 400%!!

I don't want to mega dose anything..... just get "some"
dose for each thing

Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
cutting would hinder?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 3:48 pm
From: spinner.barry@gmail.com

On Aug 6, 5:33 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Been thinking abt starting to take a daily vitamin such
> as Centrum
>
> But got to looking at label and some of the doses are
> at 400%!!
>
> I don't want to mega dose anything..... just get "some"
> dose for each thing
>
> Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
> and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
> enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
> cutting would hinder?

Yes, to first Q. And yes, to second Q when there is a special-
purpose coating only.

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TOPIC: Find out How to Unlock your car with a cell phone Video
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/612188418648f19c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 2:56 pm
From: "Don K"

"bosad87" <revenuesharing@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186337548.105885.32140@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> Watch out How to Unlock your car with a cell phone Video...

That's ridiculous. My cell phone doesn't fit into the keyhole.

Don

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TOPIC: Walgreen printer cart refills
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8d0982d83a41da6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 3:35 pm
From: Gregory Morrow

Ken Knecht wrote:

> Anyone tried the $10 injet cartridge refills at Walgreens? How long does
> it actually take them to refill a cartridge? Do the cartridges work well?
> I have a black HP 832 cartridge I'm tempted to try.

I just got the carts for my HP 842C inkjet refilled at Walgreens (one
color, one b/w), I'm very pleased. Can't beat the price @ $25.00 for
both refills...

--
Best
Greg

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TOPIC: Excuse me!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8dc27f26c48c008d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 3:57 pm
From: z.m.adel@gmail.com

Excuse me!! Would you stop for a moment?!
Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
Who has made it?
Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
Have you seen a wonderful, delicate work without a worker ?!
It's you and the whole universe!.. Who has made them all ?!!
You know who ?.. It's "ALLAH",prise be to him.
Just think for a moment. How are you going to be after death ?!
Can you believe that this exact system of the universe and all of
these great creation will end in nothing...just after death!
Haven't you thought about what is the right religion?!
Here you will get the answer

http://al-sunnah.com/
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.thelastingmiracle.com/eng/
http://www.harunyahya.com/index.php
http://www.islamqa.com/special/index.php?subsite=12&ln=eng

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TOPIC: More Mexican Famiy Values
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7e4b4b4273b9bb9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:17 pm
From: Ted

On Aug 6, 12:05 pm, gringogirl <sumarli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To the willfully malicious Mexican with two toddlers and three Jack
> Russell Terriers at Hazeldale dog park August 5, 2007,
>
> You disgust me! Your existence blights the human race. You are a key
> reason people want illegal Mexicans deported.
>
> The negligence you displayed with your children and dogs was
> incredibly shocking. You thought it was funny when your puppy almost
> hanged itself while being tied up to a picnic table in an off leash
> fenced in dog park while you ignored it. Even more shocking was when
> you lifted the puppy up to your toddler daughter and let her
> repeatedly hit the puppy in the face! At one point, while you were
> watching your daughter, she stepped on the puppy's neck pinning it
> down to yell at it!
>
> What do you think you are teaching your children? How do you think the
> dog is going to react? When the child beats on the dog, the dog
> doesn't understand it and will likely bite the child in fear and
> defense -- then you beat the dog. Are you that stupid of a human or do
> you not have a single scruple in your head? I think it is the later
> because when I confronted you, you pretended not to speak English,
> however only ten minutes before you spoke to me in English!
>
> I feel so badly for your kids and the dogs. You are lucky I could not
> find the police before you left. Maybe I should have bought the dogs
> from you right on the spot, then reported you to child services.
>
> You deserve to be hung by a leash in a field full of people who will
> ignore your cries for help.
>
> Location: Beaverton
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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