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Monday, October 22, 2007

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko aalala
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 2:22 pm
From: River of Tears

On Oct 21, 1:38 pm, Raul Endymion <nenad_de...@shiftmail.com> wrote:
> Milenko Kindl
>
> BAGHDAD - U.S. forces backed by airstrikes raided Sadr City, Baghdad's
> main Shiite district, killing 49 militants on Sunday as they targeted
> a militia leader accused in high-profile kidnappings, the military
> said. Iraqi officials said women and children were among the dead.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> The Iraqi reports followed other recent claims of civilian deaths as a
> result of U.S. military action or shootings by private Western
> security teams protecting American diplomats and aid groups. The
> military said it was not know of any civilians killed.
>
> Tensions also rose in northern Iraq after separatist Kurdish rebels
> ambushed a military unit near Turkey's border with Iraq, killing at
> least 12 soldiers. Turkey's government has threatened to take action
> against the rebels based in northern Iraq if the U.S.-led coalition in
> Iraq does not stop the Kurdish attacks on Turkish forces.
>
> Hours after the ambush, an Iraqi army officer from the border guard
> forces, Col. Hussein Rashid, said Turkish forces fired about 15
> artillery shells toward Kurdish villages in the border area in
> northern Iraq. But there were no casualties.
>
> In Sadr City, the U.S. military said "an estimated 49 criminals" were
> killed in three separate engagements during a raid targeting a
> suspected rogue Shiite militia leader specializing in kidnapping
> operations for which he sought funding from Iran.
>
> U.S. troops returned fire after coming under sustained attack from
> automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades from nearby buildings
> as they began to raid a series of buildings in the district, according
> to a statement, which added that some 33 militants were killed in the
> firefight. Ground forces then called in airstrikes, which killed some
> six militants.
>
> The U.S. troops were then attacked by a roadside bomb and continued
> heavy fire as they left the area, killing another 10 combatants in
> subsequent clashes.
>
> "All total, coalition forces estimate that 49 criminals were killed in
> three separate engagements during this operation. Ground forces
> reported they were unaware of any innocent civilians being killed as a
> result of this operation," the military said in the updated statement.
>
> Iraqi police and hospital officials put the death toll at at least 13
> and said a woman and three children were among the dead from the pre-
> dawn raid in the sprawling district. They said 52 people were injured.
>
> Associated Press photos showed the bodies of two toddlers, one with a
> gouged face, swaddled in blankets on the floor of the morgue.
> Relatives said they were killed when helicopter gunfire hit their
> house as they slept. Their shirts were pulled up, exposing their
> abdomens. A diaper showed above the waistband of the shorts of one of
> the boys.
>
> Several houses, cars and shops were damaged in the fighting, which
> witnesses said lasted two hours.
>
> Iraqis have routinely claimed civilians were killed as U.S.-led forces
> stepped up raids to try to root out extremists in Sadr City and other
> Shiite strongholds as part of an 8-month-old security operation to
> quell sectarian violence.
>
> But the reported death toll in Sunday's strike was among the largest.
>
> On Aug. 8, the U.S. military said 32 suspected militants were killed
> and 12 captured in an operation targeting a ring believed to be
> smuggling armor-piercing roadside bombs from Iran. Iraqi police and
> witnesses claimed nine civilians, including two women, were killed in
> that raid.
>
> The sweeps into Sadr City have sent a strong message that U.S. forces
> plan no letup on suspected Shiite militia cells despite risks of
> upsetting the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki
> and its efforts at closer cooperation with Shiite heavyweight Iran.

If they're dead they must be militants.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 2:35 pm
From: eltodo

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TOPIC: Anybody Plays the McDonald's Monopoly?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 2:56 pm
From: George Grapman

And I have am almost ready to drive BMW. I just need the engine and body.
Have you considered why is is so hard to get that on piece?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 3:38 pm
From: Charles Quinn

wijytop@yahoo.ca wrote in news:1193001201.846700.62040
@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

> Ifyou play the McDonald's Monopoly Game then this is your chance to
> make some money with me. And I am not kidding you. Below are the
> ticketc that I already got. If you got the one I need let me know so
> that we can talk business. I'll split 50/50 with you on all of them.
>
> Igot "Atlantic Avenue $25,000 B15" And Marvin Gardens $25,000 B17" I
> need B16 SO If you got it let me know.
>
> I also got "B&0 Railroad $100 B25 And " Penn Railroad $100 B24" let
> me know if you got B23 and B26 let me know.
>
> I got Park Place $1,000,000 B21 I need B22 if you got it we can split
> the money. No joke this is serious.
>
> I got Pacific Avenue $50,000 B18 I need B19&B20 so if you got it let
> me know so that we can split the money.
>
> I got Indiana Avenue $10,000 B13 I need B12&B14 Let me know if you
> got it.
>
> I got St. Charles Place $1000 B06 I need B07&B08 Again let mem know
> if you got them.
>
> I got NEW YORK Avenue $5000 B11 Ineed B09&B10 LET ME KNOW IF YOU GOT
> THEM. Let's make money together.
>
> I'll split 50/50 on all of them. No kidding.
>
>
> Thanks
> Wijytop

If you know the rare piece and I get it, why would I split with you. All
I would need to do is hit a bunch of Micky D's till I get the rest
required.

Charles
The significant problems we face cannot be solved
at the same level of thinking we were at when we
created them. Albert Einstein

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 4:35 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Charles Quinn wrote:
> wijytop@yahoo.ca wrote in news:
>
>> Ifyou play the McDonald's Monopoly Game...
>
> If you know the rare piece and I get it, why would I split with you. All
> I would need to do is hit a bunch of Micky D's till I get the rest
> required.

That plan would require that you invest dozens of dollars. :)

Anthony

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 5:06 pm
From: max

In article <1193001267.126577.114330@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
wijytop <wijytop@yahoo.ca> wrote:

I have the B16 piece! If you can send me $1400 to get it out of the US
(there are some export/border transfer issues), i think we could start
to do business.

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 6:33 pm
From: Logan Shaw

George Grapman wrote:
> And I have am almost ready to drive BMW. I just need the engine and body.
> Have you considered why is is so hard to get that on piece?

IMHO, the scammer has considered how hard it is. The scam is that they
phrase their message so it looks like they have some pieces which are
hard to get. They're hoping some ignorant person who has a hard-to-get
piece but who doesn't know their piece is hard to get will say "Oh, I
have that piece! I can contact this guy and split the winnings, and it's
a done deal!" What they should really say is, "If that guy is asking for
that piece, it must be hard to get, so chances are the others are much
easier to get, and I should just go buy a bunch of stuff at McDonald's
until I get them."

The nice thing about this whole situation is that it's unlikely the
scammer will meet with any success. That's because the odds of any
random person getting the hard-to-get piece are low, and the odds of
any random person reading this message on Usenet are low as well.
Therefore, since those two probabilities are independent (as far as
I know), the chances of someone having the winning pieces *and*
reading that message on Usenet are quite slim indeed.

So the scammer has a plan which seems clever but which is almost
certainly a complete waste of time. But then that should come as no
surprise. If a scammer had brains and the ability to come up with a
plan that works, they'd get a real job.

- Logan

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 8:44 pm
From: larry

Logan Shaw wrote:

> So the scammer has a plan which seems clever but which is almost
> certainly a complete waste of time. But then that should come as no
> surprise. If a scammer had brains and the ability to come up with a
> plan that works, they'd get a real job.
>
> - Logan

They only print the one missing piece per puzzle near the
end of the contest term ;-)

Several years ago, the printing company of one of the chains
running a contest printed 1000's of the missing piece. They
voided the contest and sent the "winners" a coupon for a burger.

-- larry/dallas

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TOPIC: Horoscope 2008
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 5:18 pm
From: Z

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TOPIC: Ugly Dish Antennas Nauseate Me
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 6:52 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 19, 8:01 pm, "joe brown" <j...@www.com> wrote:
> George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > joe brown wrote:
>
> >>>>> I went to Milwaukee on business a few years back. I was shocked at
> >>>>> how many homes - especially condos and apartments - had satellite
> >>>>> dishes just stuck on the sides and roofs of buildings with
> >>>>> absolutely no consideration given to aesthetics whatsoever. Here
> >>>>> in SoCal no homeowners' association would ever allow that kind of
> >>>>> fugly dish placement.
> >>>> Only fools let goons like that tell them what they can and cannot
> >>>> do.
> >>> Or people that might care about how their surroundings look.
>
> >> Only fools let goons like that tell them what their surroundings
> >> must look like.
> > Did I strike a nerve or something?
>
> Nope.
>
> > How many refrigerators do you have on your porch?
>
> Dont even have a porch.- Hide quoted text -

No shit, who has a porch on a cardboard box?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 6:59 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 21, 3:39 pm, "joe brown" <j...@www.com> wrote:
> Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 3:13 pm, "joe brown" <j...@www.com> wrote:
> >> George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Don K wrote:
> >>>> "George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>news:IY2dnQDUcILNAoXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>> joe brown wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I went to Milwaukee on business a few years back. I was shocked
> >>>>>>> at how many homes - especially condos and apartments - had
> >>>>>>> satellite dishes just stuck on the sides and roofs of buildings
> >>>>>>> with absolutely no consideration given to aesthetics whatsoever.
> >>>>>>> Here in SoCal no homeowners' association would ever allow that
> >>>>>>> kind of fugly dish placement.
> >>>>>> Only fools let goons like that tell them what they can and cannot
> >>>>>> do.
> >>>>> Or people that might care about how their surroundings look.
>
> >>>> Sometimes functionality takes precedence over aesthetics.
>
> >>>> Suppose you decided that round wheels look ugly on cars and square
> >>>> wheels would look nicer. Would you drive around with square wheels?
>
> >>>> Don
>
> >>> I understand what you are saying but I think this thread isn't
> >>> "anti-dish" but more "stupid installations of dishes" such as where
> >>> the OP had observed the all too common scenario where there is a
> >>> house with nice architecture and the dish is just slapped onto the
> >>> easiest available surface in front of the house.
>
> >> It should go on the side of the house thats got the best view of the
> >> satellite.
>
> >> That should see the 'problem' only visible on one side of the
> >> street, the other side of the street should mostly have the dishes
> >> on the back side of the house if the street runs EW or close.- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Should go" doesn't mean a thing to the "tech" who comes to install
> > it. Whatever is easiest is where it will go.
>
> Pity that if its put on the side of the house with no view
> of the satellite, it wont work, so he wont get paid, stupid.- Hide quoted text -

No shit dumbass, instead of putting it on the roof near the back of
the house and out of view, he'll put it on the front porch or front of
the house and cause an eyesore. He does what is easiest for him
because he's like you, lazy and doesn't use his head.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 9:03 pm
From: larry

> I remember reading Serbian blogs during the Kosovo war. Discontent
> soared after NATO took down television broadcasts and the war ended
> shortly thereafter. If it wasn't for the penetration of cable and it's
> longer transition time, I'd be expecting riots as transition
> preparations are not apparent now.
>

Wait 'til they turn off the signal!

I'm sure most folks still don't understand that all their
existing TVs will not work.
Remember, this was supposed to happen before 2006!

There's another catch-

2006 or until 85% of Americans had made the DTV transition

-- larry/dallas

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 9:28 pm
From: James

Is it from nuclear, hydro, gas, oil, or coal?

Don't have a bill handy so I can't tell you what it cost me. Guess
it's high enough that most people have gas heat but low enough for
people to have electric range and stove instead of gas.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 9:43 pm
From: Logan Shaw

James wrote:
> Is it from nuclear, hydro, gas, oil, or coal?
>
> Don't have a bill handy so I can't tell you what it cost me. Guess
> it's high enough that most people have gas heat but low enough for
> people to have electric range and stove instead of gas.

The question in your subject line is pretty ambiguous since there are
several different units related to electricity. For example, there
are volts, amperes, watts, and coulombs.

Probably you mean to measure the energy that electricity can provide,
in which case the scientific unit is joules (watt-seconds), but the
industry tends to use kilowatt-hours.

As for price, that depends on who you buy it from (and when), but for
me it's about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour.

And as for whether electricity is good for heating, it tends to depend
on the cost of the electricity and the amount of heat you need. I
happen to live in a fairly warm climate where electricity rates are
relatively low, and I have a heat pump (instead of resistive heating),
so electricity is a good option for me. People who live where snow
is not an oddity but a regular occurrence (a) may find that electricity
is not the best option for them and (b) are, in my opinion, gluttons
for punishment.

By the way, I'm not really sure what the main point of your post is. :-)

- Logan

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 10:27 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Around these parts (Los Angeles) it runs about 14 cents/kWh once you
add it all up. I don't know the exact breakdown of it's source but
I think most is from coal and nuclear.

There is more than just cost involved in how you heat and cook.
For instance, gas stoves are popular because they heat up fast
and provide quick, responsive control. Electric stoves are slow,
often lack high heat settings and are not as easily controlled.

Electric ovens, on the other hand, are popular because they don't
require constant circulation of air that drys out food and the
temperature is easier to regulate precisely.

For heating, gas is usually a lot cheaper but electric is easier
to install and somewhat safer.

Anthony

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 10:52 pm
From: Jeff

Logan Shaw wrote:

> James wrote:
>
>> Is it from nuclear, hydro, gas, oil, or coal?
>>
>> Don't have a bill handy so I can't tell you what it cost me. Guess
>> it's high enough that most people have gas heat but low enough for
>> people to have electric range and stove instead of gas.
>
>
> The question in your subject line is pretty ambiguous since there are
> several different units related to electricity. For example, there
> are volts, amperes, watts, and coulombs.
>
> Probably you mean to measure the energy that electricity can provide,
> in which case the scientific unit is joules (watt-seconds), but the
> industry tends to use kilowatt-hours.
>
> As for price, that depends on who you buy it from (and when), but for
> me it's about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour.
>
> And as for whether electricity is good for heating, it tends to depend
> on the cost of the electricity and the amount of heat you need. I
> happen to live in a fairly warm climate where electricity rates are
> relatively low, and I have a heat pump (instead of resistive heating),
> so electricity is a good option for me. People who live where snow
> is not an oddity but a regular occurrence (a) may find that electricity
> is not the best option for them and (b) are, in my opinion, gluttons
> for punishment.
>
> By the way, I'm not really sure what the main point of your post is. :-)

Me too.

But I think the OP *may* be trying to compare electricity with other
methods of heating.

Electricity is sold by the kWhr (1000 watts / hour). There are 3413
BTUs in a kWhr or about 29 kWhr in a therm. At $0.10 kWhr that's
$2.90/therm.

Natural Gas is usually sold by the therm. One therm is 100,000 BTUs if
burned 100% efficiently.

I believe heating oils is sold by the gallon. One gallon is 1.385
therms if burned 100% efficiently.

Now, electrity can be "burned" 100% efficiently, a little less if you
have a fan. It can also be used in a heat pump (the reverse of AC) so
that it can move two to three times more BTUs than it consumes. But heat
pumps lose their leverage as the temperature falls.

I see heating oil is about $2.77/gallon. Ouch!
<URL: http://www.westchestergov.com/consumergas/oilprice.ASP/> That's
about $2 therm.

Natural Gas is about $1.34/therm (if you live in a deregulated market
you have to consider distribution costs, not just price per therm).

And in a cord of dry wood, about 195 therms. Wood stoves tend to be
less efficient than other heaters.

100 SF of vertical south facing sunshine in december is about 1
therm (if collected 100% efficiently, usually closer to 50%) at a cost
of not much.

Jeff

>
> - Logan

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TOPIC: WSJ: Dumpster Divers Go Mainstream In Thrifty Germany
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/62034d0d91c3c9d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 10:51 pm
From: Faubillaud

The Wall Street Journal

Dumpster Divers Go Mainstream In Thrifty Germany
Wares Left on Street Pose Competition for Retailers; The 'Free Shop' in
Berlin

By MARCUS WALKER
October 22, 2007; Page A1

BERLIN -- Why shop till you drop when your neighbors are throwing away
perfectly good stuff?

Sven Brylla has been furnishing his apartments for years with discarded
furniture, wood and fittings snagged off the streets of Berlin.

In his kitchen stands a fridge so old that it predates electricity.
Meltwater from a metal icebox once ran between the panels of the wooden
cabinet, cooling its contents. Now it's his cupboard.

His kitchen table is a gnarled old workbench. He found his favorite armchair
at a garbage dump. His revolving inventory of street junk has included 20
vintage radios and half a dozen prewar bicycles made in the USSR.

In many other countries, dumpster divers like Mr. Brylla would be written
off as eccentrics. In Germany, he's just a normal 36-year-old graphic
printer brought up to look down on wasting money on new things when sturdy
old stand-bys are there for the taking.

"Consumption is nothing good," says Mr. Brylla. "It brings evil into the
world."

Germans like Mr. Brylla are the retail trade's worst nightmare. They make
enough money to buy the latest wares but choose to live in a free-of-charge
economy. People who don't want stuff put it on the sidewalk. People who like
it take it home.

"It's the culture here in Germany," says Dora Fecske, a Frankfurt
businesswoman. "Why trash something if it's still good?" She recently found
a large wooden dining table in the street and carried it several blocks to
her home with help from friends.

Ms. Fecske's furniture foraging is the ultimate expression of one of
Germany's favorite pastimes: saving money. Even when Germans do spend it
(they need to eat, after all), they aren't looking to pay full price. Flea
markets pull big crowds every weekend. Used goods are so popular that
Germany is eBay's biggest market outside the U.S.: Surfing the site accounts
for nearly a fifth of the time Germans spend online.

Regular retail stores have a tough time. No-frills discounters such as Aldi
dominate the supermarket sector. Even Wal-Mart Stores Inc. was too upscale
for Germans: The U.S. giant finally gave up on the country last year, after
failing to make a euro cent.
[Slideshow]1
Unwanted furniture lines a sidewalk in Wuppertal, Germany.

To survive, stores have to appeal to Germans' sharp eye for a discount.
Electronics retailer Saturn has for years lured customers with the slogan
"Stingy is Sexy."

The trend is stubborn, with deep roots in history. Germans save their money
partly because war and economic disasters during the last century make them
think the future will bring more rainy days.

Today, even though the German economy is growing solidly and unemployment is
falling, consumer spending is in the doldrums.

Scavenging is so accepted in Berlin, it even has an address in a nice
neighborhood. The "Free Shop" on busy Brunnenstrasse caters to customers --
if that's the right word -- who take what they want from the shop's
selection of books, CDs, computer equipment and clothes. A number of shops
like it have sprung up around Germany in recent years.

The Free Shop's wares are all hand-me-downs. It won't take any old trash,
though: TVs have to work; computers must have at least an Intel Pentium II
processor or its equivalent.

"This is not social work or charity," says Michelle, an earnest member of
the collective that runs the store. "It's totally free of the market logic
that everything has a value in exchange."

Martin Wolff and Blan Ryan, a couple who live nearby, check out what's on
offer at the Free Shop periodically. They've found some real treasures,
including an American recording of Grimm's Fairy Tales, read by the Hanky
Pank Players.

Mr. Wolff, a video artist, and Ms. Ryan, a real-estate broker, are devotees
of junk. In their apartment on Berlin's trendy Auguststrasse, an old
railroad-station clock hangs from the ceiling. A 1960s hotel bar stool
stands in the kitchen. Mr. Wolff's video-editing equipment sits atop a
hospital trolley. A steel filing cabinet once stood to attention at the East
German Academy of Arts.

"Of course we could have bought stuff," says Mr. Wolff. "But the quality
wouldn't be the same, and we'd miss out on the fun of the hunt. It's also
ecological, and every item has a history. I like that element," he says.

Junk furniture has long defined cool in Berlin's arty neighborhoods. Many
hip bars and cafes offer seating on pensioners' moth-eaten sofas or old
theater props.

But junk culture extends far beyond bohemian Berlin. Many an upstanding
middle-class citizen is proud of their street harvest.

Jürgen Thamm has had an eye for good-quality trash ever since he was a boy,
rummaging in the rubble of bombed-out wartime Leipzig.

The retired restaurant chef now walks his dog every day to his local
recycling dump at Tegernsee, a lake in prosperous Bavaria. The dump's
manager, sporting a traditional Alpine felt hat and mustache, lets Mr. Thamm
and other enthusiasts examine the latest refuse. He even lays out choice
pickings in advance.

Visiting the dump one day in the fall drizzle, Mr. Thamm asks the manager if
he has an old coal stove. "My son needs one for his farmhouse," Mr. Thamm
says. Take a number, the manager mutters.

Mr. Thamm consoles himself with a large porcelain fruit bowl, two wooden
kitchen chairs and a pair of framed art posters. His hobby is painting, so
the frames will come in handy.

"Oh no. Oh God," says his wife, Anni Thamm, upon seeing his haul. "The
family has forbidden my father from collecting," says Alex, one of the
couple's sons, who lives in Berlin. "But the problem is he keeps finding
good stuff."

On the Thamms' kitchen table -- made out of door frames from a nearby
12th-century monastery that were thrown out during restoration work -- the
senior Mr. Thamm shows off his most valuable find: an old Swiss watch that
someone threw away because it stopped working.

Mr. Thamm had it fixed by a Munich watchmaker, who valued it at about
$2,850.

"It's a wealthy area, so you get good-quality trash," says Alex.

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TOPIC: Ron Paul...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/eb674cb08f954f60?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 11:46 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Rico Yungblud" <audioanimal@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1192049136.857852.228480@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 7, 9:06 pm, rdad...@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
>> < Ron Paul gibberish snipped )
>>
>> I am a conservative Republican and have always voted as one.
>> If Ron Paul were elected President, my advice is to sell all
>> of your equity securities (stocks) and invest everything in
>> debt securities (bonds) because the stock market will drop
>> and interest rates will rise. IMRHO this guy is several
>> fries short of a Happy Meal.
>>
>> Dick
>
> Yeah, only a loon would actually promise to keep his oath of office
> instead of doing the opposite.
>
> I predict that no matter who is elected, at some point the stop market
> will drop and interest rates will rise.

And they'll blame it all on Bill Clinton?

Bob

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