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Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 4:32 am
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TOPIC: IT'S COMING: A Founding Fathers-type Solution to America's Problems
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Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 4:34 am
From: greg3347

On Oct 24, 7:33 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> Personally -- and I think increasing numbers of U.S. citizens would
> agree with me -- if the People cannot rehabilitate today's distorted,
> legs-spread-wide-open "America" as AMERICA I'd rather see the
> monstrosity that now passes for "America" -- a "country" in which
> tens of millions of law-flouting foreigners LITERALLY engage in rape
> and plunder daily from coast to coast (killing over 10 citizens per
> day in the process, as per one state senator)-- DESTROYED rather
> than let the Axis of Illegal Aliens & Elites have her permanently.
>
> If the perverted entity still misleadingly known as "America" were
> destroyed, Americans could then START ANEW to create a REAL
> America (America 2.0, if you will), one TRULY loyal to the
> Constitution
> and one which would have as its first job ensuring that the current
> debacle could never, ever happen again.
>
> Although I do not advocate the use of violence (except in reasonable
> self-defense, of course) or the violating of laws I, like tireless
> latter-day Thomas Paine, retired schoolteacher Frosty Woolridge and
> increasing numbers of Americans, "see violence coming".
>
> Fortunately our Forefathers left us great guidance regarding WHAT TO
> DO.
>
> BE PREPARED!
>
> Bottom line:
>
> * The illegal aliens MUST be deported.
>
> * All racial preferences in all 50 states MUST be abolished.
>
> * The Constitution MUST be returned to its rightful place as The Law
> of the Land. (Did you know that Bush's disgraced ex-Attorney General
> Alberto Gonzalez de Torquemada del Gitmo once derisively referred to
> the Constitution as "a quaint document"?)
>
> * Any mayor advocating the disregarding of the Constitution (as with
> the mayors and other officials of "sanctuary cities") will be arrested
> for SEDITION.
>
> * The American People will be fully empowered to express their views
> on any subject they so desire -- so-called "hate speech" laws and
> other Stalinist "political correctness" straightjackets to squelch
> freedom of speech will not be tolerated.
>
> * NO ONE will dare try to abridge Americans ability to exercise their
> Constitutional rights, be it their right to express their opinions or
> to keep and bear arms.
>
> If Americans can't achieve the above ABOLUTE REQUIREMENTS
> -- and SOON -- in today's so-called "America" then we need to effect
> a "Founding Fathers solution." If we do anything less we shame
> those who, two centuries ago, bequeathed this country to us.
>
> If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
> servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
> us in peace.
> We ask not your counsels or arms.
> Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
> May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
> forget that ye were our countrymen.
>
> -- Samuel Adams
>
> WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...
>
> If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
> there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
> original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
> positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
> tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
> without resource; except in their courage and
> despair ...
>
> The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
> proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
> with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
> the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
> the masters of their own fate.
>
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
> certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
> any government, and to protect its free expression should
> be our first object.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
> We in America do not have government by the majority.
> We have government by the majority who participate.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
> good conscience to remain silent.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
> its only safe depositories.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> In matters of style, swim with the current; in
> matters of principle, stand like a rock.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
> arms.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain the
> right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
> protect themselves against tyranny in government.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
> going to do.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
> with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
> free state.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
>
> Action will delineate and define you.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
> on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
> from which they draw their gains.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
> monied corporations which dare already to challenge
> our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
> to the laws of our country.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
> to our liberties than standing armies.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience demands that man is the only animal which
> devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
> the general prey of the rich on the poor.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
> of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
> and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
>
> www.predatoryaliens.comwww.immigrationshumancost.orgwww.daylaborers.orgwww.alipac.us
> "The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonaldwww.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
> See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.immigrationcounters.comwww.AmericanPatrol.comwww.SaveOurState.orgwww.escapingjustice.com
> Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:www.deputydavidmarch.comwww.kriseggle.org
>
> "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
> irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
> freedom in the minds of men."
> -- Samuel Adams
> .
> "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are
> here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft,
> use of fraudulent social security numbers and green
> cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
> some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority
> of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and
> hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and
> drug distribution and possession is also prevalent
> among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal
> prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of
> the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34%
> of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."
>
> -- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before
> the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security
> and Claims [Note: 99% of warrants for murder in Los
> Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd most-populous city --
> are for illegal aliens]

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 5:30 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:39:14 -0700, Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 24, 5:40 pm, ediefa...@yahoo.com (elise d faber) wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Oct2007 12:33:56 -0700, Boothbay <harri85...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
>> >from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
>> >include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
>> >days. Greyhound is around the same.
>>
>> in august i paid about $95 one way to washington [senior-weekday
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>> different fares for different trains, so check the other trains
>> leaving around when you want to go.
>>
>> i live near penn station, so this was lots cheaper for me than getting
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>>
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>>
>> elise
>
>In google I found only super shuttles that go locally from one airport
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>Newark. I could not find one that goes from NYC to Wash, D.C. it would
>have been convenient if you added more info on this super shuttle info
>and location.:)
>

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i've never used it to newark because
the buses from the port authority terminal and amtrak to the airport
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the china buses leave from around chatham square in chinatown. they
are really cheap, but they are unlicensed and do have frequent
mechanical problems. this would be the cheapest route.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 9:06 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:33:56 -0700, Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com>
wrote:

>Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
>from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
>include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
>days. Greyhound is around the same.

Go to your Chinatown travel agency. Usually there is a nearby tour
bus service that operates as an inter-city commuter bus. I don't know
the price except that its very affordable and brings you right to
downtown in the other city. The leave when the bus is full.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 9:15 am
From: George Grapman

PaPaPeng wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:33:56 -0700, Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
>>from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
>> include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
>> days. Greyhound is around the same.
>
>
> Go to your Chinatown travel agency. Usually there is a nearby tour
> bus service that operates as an inter-city commuter bus. I don't know
> the price except that its very affordable and brings you right to
> downtown in the other city. The leave when the bus is full.

That is the way some local bus lines in Mexico operate. You can wait
5 minutes or you can wait 20.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 6:25 am
From: "hankus"

--
Thanks
Hank

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 8:12 am
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 25, 9:25 am, "hankus" <hbien...@cox.net> wrote:
> I need a temporary wheelchair ramp to allow an occasionally visiting niece
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> requires 3/4" thick plywood..will need 36" width.I have no truck to carry
> such but do have lots of 1/2" board (it is placed on the walls of buildings
> and is fragments of wood rather than solid sheets) 20 inches wide...can I
> glue the 1/2" together to equal an inch thick?
>
> --
> Thanks
> Hank

You could glue and clamp the 1/2" wood together. That's how plywood is
made anyway. I would prefer to drive a bunch of screws through both
pieces or do both glue and screws. For a small project, this would
work fine.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 8:29 am
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

Hank wrote:

I need a temporary wheelchair ramp to allow an occasionally visiting
niece to get in my slightly raised cottage.I saw one at harbor Freight
which requires 3/4" thick plywood..will need 36" width.I have no truck
to carry such but do have lots of 1/2" board (it is placed on the walls
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inches wide...can I glue the 1/2" together to equal an inch thick?
--
Thanks
Hank
-----------------
You said 'temporary'. Not sure how temporary 'temporary' is. But I would
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Ramps can be used for more things than wheel chairs. Folks need them
to roll wheel barrows in and out of any kind of building.
I have been chuckling, because it has already been proven that
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 7:46 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:01:48 -0700, star.sapfire@yahoo.ca wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
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>Thank you.

Price range?

Side by side or freezer over refrigerator or refrigerator over
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There are just too many variables to make a single recommendation.
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We've found that USEABLE space in side-by-sides is minimal.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 8:40 am
From: "Bob F"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
news:13i03tl602ste92@corp.supernews.com...
> I've got a screened in north facing porch, that I obviously won't be using
> this winter.
>
> From a heat loss perspective is it worth stapling up plastic over the
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> it would reduce heat loss through the windows I suppose it might be worth it.
> And if it was facing another direction it might have more solar gain. Would
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>
> Any thoughts? Anyone done anything similar?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 25 2007 8:43 am
From: "Bob F"

"Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
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> Bob F wrote:
>> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>You are right EZ. I believe a space heater would have to be built
>>>into the wall to meet most current codes.
>>>The polyester fabric on my old couch melted one time when I had the
>>>Toastmaster too close. A lamp in a ceiling fixture would be much
>>>safer.
>>
>>
>> But not just any fixture. It must be rated for the wattage.
>
>
> Not to mention that I believe they call these fixtures "heat hell holes" or
> something like that. They can be very dangerous on their own if not properly
> installed and insulated.

The heat lamp fixture I used to have had a small fan inside it to circulate air
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