Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 14 topics

Wednesday, October 24, 2007

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f941e4a655a77d3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 8:50 am
From: SFTV_troy

David Johnston wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:21:39 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >David Johnston wrote:
> >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:43:43 -0700, SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> >Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally? Why can't they
> >> >follow the process of filling-out an application, and getting a Visa?
> >> >This is what my Chinese friend did. This is what my other Japanese
> >> >friend did. I'm sure the Mexicans can do the same... just ask the
> >> >U.S. embassy for the application. Be legal, not illegal.
> >>
> >> There's no way the United States would ever allow most of them to
> >> immigrate. There are too many of them and the kind of work they do
> >> isn't valued highly.
> >
> >
> >
> >Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.
>
> You didn't ask whether it was right. You asked why it was necessary.

True, but is isn't necessary either. They could continue living in
Mexico or Panama or Brazil. It is not necessary to live in the U.S.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"

SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> SFTV_troy <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Why is it necessary for them to enter illegally?
>>
>>>> Because they wont be allowed in using the legal route.
>>
>>> Too bad. That's no excuse to break the law & enter illegally.
>>
>> But completely relevant to why its necessary for them to enter
>> illegally, because they wont be allowed in using the legal channels.
>>
>>> *I'd* like to be to drive 120 miles an hour on I-80 (cross-country
>>> where it's empty), but I can't because we have laws. If I can't
>>> break the laws, why should "they" be allowed to break the law?
>>> If they're caught, send them back home, and hand them a Visa
>>> application so they can enter legally.
>>
>> Separate matter entirely to why its necessary for them to
>> enter illegally when they wont be allowed to enter legally.
>
>
>
> You make the false assumption that is is "necessary" for them to live in the U.S.

Wrong, as always.

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TOPIC: Good idea to USE incandescent lights in winter for warmth?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/62bc93880ecb0352?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 9:11 am
From: "Bob F"

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
> You are right EZ. I believe a space heater would have to be built
> into the wall to meet most current codes.
> The polyester fabric on my old couch melted one time when I had the
> Toastmaster too close. A lamp in a ceiling fixture would be much
> safer.

But not just any fixture. It must be rated for the wattage.

Bob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:29 pm
From: Jeff

Bob F wrote:
> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>You are right EZ. I believe a space heater would have to be built
>>into the wall to meet most current codes.
>>The polyester fabric on my old couch melted one time when I had the
>>Toastmaster too close. A lamp in a ceiling fixture would be much
>>safer.
>
>
> But not just any fixture. It must be rated for the wattage.

Not to mention that I believe they call these fixtures "heat hell holes"
or something like that. They can be very dangerous on their own if not
properly installed and insulated.
>
> Bob
>
>

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TOPIC: Use flat bed sheets only?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/11daf24d12dfd175?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:00 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Oct 23, 8:55 pm, lazybones <marie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can sew two sheets together and make your own comforter cover.
> Put buttons or velcro on the end. Many years ago when we stayed in
> an Austrian Chalet in the alps I fell in love with the big poofy
> comforters on the bed and they were covered in white sheets that were
> changed like the bed sheets. Anyway. I found this group when I was
> searching for flat sheet information. In 2004 we bought a pillow top
> mattress that is just too deep. It's only an 18 inch mattress but
> with the Euro top on it I need to buy 20 inch fitted sheets and they
> are stretched to the max. On top of that DH wants his sheets washed
> every second day (he really wants every day) and my sheets take a
> beating.

So, does he wash his sheets every second day?

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:41 am
From: noname@privacy.net

>We belong to Sams Club and they have institutional sheets that come 6
>in a package for less than 50 dollars. They only come in white and
>are 200 TC but they have some polyester in them for wear and
>wrinkles. That's ok with me if they are soft and smooth. I think I
>will try them and let you know.

Please do!

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:44 pm
From: Boothbay

On Oct 17, 7:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >>> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet
> >>> on a FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will
> >>> have more material to tuck under the mattress?
> >> Yep, thats what I do, buy oversized for that reason.
> > OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>
> Nope.
>
> > Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>
> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>
> > Oh by the way....wonder if something like
> > this would secure flat sheets on mattress?
> >http://www.amazon.com/Sheet-Straps-Set-of-4/dp/B000BFWFJ8
>
> It looks like they are intended for use on fitted sheets.
>
> Not sure how well they would work on flat sheets, too much spare tucked
> in sheet to be viable with those and no edge to apply them to either.

Sheet straps are the answer, but certainly a task in attaching them.
First you have to lift the mattress on its side...they are clumsy and
heavy..fine if you have a partner to assist you, then you have to go
from corner to corner ( 4 ) to apply them, second if your a senior and
alone and in frail health, it should not even be attempted. Its easier
to fold a fitted sheet, than to use these straps, and save your back
from aching. Mine are in the bureau drawer untouched for a couple of
years since i tried them.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 1:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 7:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>> Also.... can a person use a queen size flat sheet
>>>>> on a FULL bed as the bottom sheet so that it will
>>>>> have more material to tuck under the mattress?
>>>> Yep, thats what I do, buy oversized for that reason.
>>> OK but do you use say a queen sheet (oversized) on bottom ONLY?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Sill use a regular size full sheet for the top?
>>
>> Nope, the extra tuck in is useful for the top too.
>>
>>> Oh by the way....wonder if something like
>>> this would secure flat sheets on mattress?
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Sheet-Straps-Set-of-4/dp/B000BFWFJ8
>>
>> It looks like they are intended for use on fitted sheets.
>>
>> Not sure how well they would work on flat sheets, too much spare
>> tucked in sheet to be viable with those and no edge to apply them to
>> either.
>
> Sheet straps are the answer, but certainly a task in attaching them.
> First you have to lift the mattress on its side...they are clumsy and
> heavy..fine if you have a partner to assist you, then you have to go
> from corner to corner ( 4 ) to apply them, second if your a senior and
> alone and in frail health, it should not even be attempted. Its easier
> to fold a fitted sheet, than to use these straps, and save your back
> from aching. Mine are in the bureau drawer untouched for a couple of
> years since i tried them.

I'm surprised that someone hasnt come up with some sort of clamp type arrangement
to actually grip the flat sheet so you dont need to raise the mattress at all.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:52 pm
From: difdrummer@webtv.net (Bob Young)

You need to volunteer to work in a laundry room in some large
institution and you will find that there is a way to fold fitted sheets
and you can not tell the difference.
After you watch someone do it about 50 times you'll be good at it.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob Young <difdrummer@webtv.net> wrote:

> You need to volunteer to work in a laundry room in some
> large institution and you will find that there is a way to
> fold fitted sheets and you can not tell the difference.

Wota dinosaury way of working that out.

> After you watch someone do it about 50 times you'll be good at it.

Even you should be able to work out how to video that so we dont all
need to jam up the laundry room watching the denizens for that long.

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TOPIC: Legal/Money question for parents of teenagers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob Young <difdrummer@webtv.net> wrote:

> Related to $$$$, so it is not off topic if the topic-police want to know.

Wrong. Plenty that is about $$$$ has absolutely NOTHING to do with frugal living.

> Are the parents of a teenage boy responsible 'legally' for the
> child support of any babies that boy might be the father of.

Nope.

> I am talking 'legally'...not morally or anything else. Can the court
> force 'his' parents to support that baby until he is 18 or legal age?

Nope.

> And please no long threads about DNA and teenagers
> having premarital sex..that is not the question.

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TOPIC: blake murphy's mugshot (was:Drinking booze ....)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:38 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote

>> news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...

>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.

>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.

> You're kidding, right?

Nope, works fine.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:09 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASSACT@BRICK.NET> wrote
>> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
>>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote
>
>>> news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...
>
>>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
>>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
>>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.
>
>>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
>>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
>>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.
>
>> You're kidding, right?
>
> Nope, works fine.
>
>
With no job or social life Rod can be very frugal when it comes to
personal grooming.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 3:05 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 24, 3:09 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > Bobo Bonobo(r) <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote
> >> Dee Dee <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote
> >>> blake murphy <blak...@verizon.net> wrote
>
> >>>news:pacsh3ts2jj4rk346bdohlidtmfevnhbvh@4ax.com...
>
> >>>> as a matter of fact, i use the cheap stuff - suave daily clarifying
> >>>> shampoo and suave naturals creme rinse. i do put a spoonful of
> >>>> olive oil in my alpo, though.
>
> >>> You're spending way too much. I don't bother with buying
> >>> shampoo; I just use my bath soap; if it's good enough for
> >>> my body, it's good enough for the hair growing out of it.
>
> >> You're kidding, right?
>
> > Nope, works fine.
>
> With no job or social life Rod can be very frugal when it comes to
> personal grooming.- Hide quoted text -

And relationships with the opposite sex.

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TOPIC: How A Young Driver Can Get It Cheap Car Insurance
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

sophialorra@gmail.com wrote:

> Getting married will help you get really cheap auto insurance rates
> with a good number of insurance companies if you are under 25.
> This is not a practical joke. It works...
> http://insuredyou.googlepages.com/really_cheap_auto_insurance_how_a_young_

Pity about the significant costs of marraige, stupid.

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TOPIC: Reposts:Rod speed work history and glossary-posted because he is off
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 11:42 am
From: Siskuwihane

On Oct 24, 8:31 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> William Souden wrote:
>
> You know, there is such a thing as a killfile.
>
> Rod managed to make it into mine (it's pretty lonely in there). You
> can either keep him company in there or add him to your own killfile.
>
> Your choice.
>
> Jeff

That's fine except Rod changes his nic in the middle of an argument to
circumvent killfiles. He has to make sure people see his posts as he
is an attention whore.

The "Joe Brown" who jumped into the middle of the TV dish thread is a
prime example.

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TOPIC: Life Settlements/Growth Strategies for Your Business
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TOPIC: Budget fare to wash.d.c from NYC
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 12:33 pm
From: Boothbay

Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
days. Greyhound is around the same.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:40 pm
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:33:56 -0700, Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com>
wrote:

>Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
>from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
>include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
>days. Greyhound is around the same.
>

in august i paid about $95 one way to washington [senior-weekday
morning going-sunday morning coming back]. they seemed to have
different fares for different trains, so check the other trains
leaving around when you want to go.

i live near penn station, so this was lots cheaper for me than getting
to the airport and i can take the metro from union station in
washington. don't know about greyhound, but at the same price, i
think amtrak is more comfortable.

if you do decide to do the airport thing, super shuttle is about $15
each way.

elise

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 2:41 pm
From: "Don K"

"Boothbay" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1193254436.788808.240340@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone know what is the cheapest fare to wash. D.C for 1 senior,
> from NYC? Jetblue has $59 each way. Amtrak is around $117 and does not
> include other fees and tax's. I only have to go for at the most 2
> days. Greyhound is around the same.
>

The China bus is $20 from NYC to DC.
You probably won't find much cheaper than that.

Don

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TOPIC: Handle Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Pets with Care.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 1:29 pm
From: swtlady

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Urinating and defecating at inappropriate places
Fearful reaction to cues of trauma
Mewing excessively without any evident reason
Hiding behind doors or furniture
Aggressive behavior
Seizure (in severe cases)
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Date: Wed, Oct 24 2007 1:34 pm
From: ED wholesale

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