Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 10 topics

Saturday, November 10, 2007

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: What to do when the city ruins your sidewalk?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fff69264218978cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:51 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
wrote:

>In article <fh246c$rqh$2@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash
>>truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but
>>we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very
>>heavy and large truck drove up onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk
>>becomes the side sidewalk.
>
>> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight
>>of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long
>>sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I
>>am unable to move it by hand.
> [ ... ]
>
>Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to your property?
>You should do so. If it can be characterized as a motor vehicle accident,
>then the perpetrators can be prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is
>usually a felony.
>
>Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have seen the truck in
>your yard. If there are any tracks, do plaster casts of them as further
>documentation.
>
>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>and having a new one poured.
>
>
>Gary

Hmmm, could have been some other truck that did the damage. I'm
trying to visualize the forces involved. I couldn't do that with a
backhoe, which has a large weight per wheel and a lot of torque. I
agree with filing a police report.

A couple of bottle jacks and an afternoon of labor might reset the
concrete. Making the soil underneath the concrete wet could encourage
things to settle.

When doing spike strips for wayward vehicles, drive the spikes through
a 2x4 and the cover the exposed spike ends with foam insulation so
that no spike end is exposed. Bury the strip in the affected area.
When a vehicle passes over, the weight will crush the foam and allow
the spike to penetrate (remember that truck tires are very thick).
Whan a person walks over it, nothing will happen. I've never done
this and take no responsibility for your taking my joke literally.
(And now that green slime seems ubiquitous, strip metal might work
better.)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:48 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <vljcj3dihabqrst51fs23rs00a0jdq11fu@4ax.com>,
<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
>wrote:
[ ... ]

>>Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to your property?
>>You should do so. If it can be characterized as a motor vehicle accident,
>>then the perpetrators can be prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is
>>usually a felony.

>>Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have seen the truck in
>>your yard. If there are any tracks, do plaster casts of them as further
>>documentation.

>>You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.
>>If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the original sidewalk
>>and having a new one poured.

Hey, he still remembers how to post!

>Hmmm, could have been some other truck that did the damage. I'm
>trying to visualize the forces involved. I couldn't do that with a
>backhoe, which has a large weight per wheel and a lot of torque. I
>agree with filing a police report.

It would help tp know if the neighbors saw anything. Heavy trucks in
a residential neighborhood usually attract attention.

>A couple of bottle jacks and an afternoon of labor might reset the
>concrete. Making the soil underneath the concrete wet could encourage
>things to settle.

>When doing spike strips for wayward vehicles, drive the spikes through
>a 2x4 and the cover the exposed spike ends with foam insulation so
>that no spike end is exposed. Bury the strip in the affected area.
>When a vehicle passes over, the weight will crush the foam and allow
>the spike to penetrate (remember that truck tires are very thick).
>Whan a person walks over it, nothing will happen. I've never done
>this and take no responsibility for your taking my joke literally.
>(And now that green slime seems ubiquitous, strip metal might work
>better.)

One "fence" described to me consisted of 4" stainless pipe 10' long
set 6' into the ground, with 1/2" aircraft cable strung between the
posts. Reportedly was effective at stopping cars from sliding into
a yard.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: Cheap Windshield Washer
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fc614690bcd87be0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:58 pm
From: PaPaPeng

A 4 litre jug of blue windshield washer costs $9.88. A few shelves
away is methyl hydrate at $4.88 a 4 litre jug. Windshield washer is
mainly a solution of methyl hydrate (methanol) added to water to
prevent the water from freezing. My solution is to buy the methyl
hydrate and mix 1 liter of it with 3 litres of water to make
windshield washer. There is some of my mixture left in the bottle.
Its kept in the trunk. If it doesn't freeze I've got the mixture
right. If it does I'll mix another batch of 50:50 alcohol water. And
so on. Even 100 per cent methyl hydrate is still chaper than
windshield washer. I don't like the idea of 100 per cent alcohol
though as it is flammable.

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TOPIC: How does the California point system affect me in my traffic situation?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a89478c6fbcc4f69?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:43 pm
From: "Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN"

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol wrote:
> The law is: if you're in an accident, you must report it within 30 days.
> That was what I had to do last March. I wasn't at fault, someone else hit me,
> didn't matter.
> Does it hurt to file? No. Is it a good idea to file? Definitely.
> It *is* the law.

That's not the law.
The law is if the DAMAGE is over 750 dollars, both parties must file.
I said so in the first post.

THe problem is how to ASSESS what the damage is.
I've assessed it at 100 dollars (that's what it cost anyway).
Yet, the repair was substandard.
So, who gets to assess the damage?
What if I assess the damage at 700 dollars and the other party assesses the
damage at 800 dollars?
And, it is the total damage or just the damage to one vehicle?

See what I mean?
Nobody yet I've ever met understands the implications, not the DMV, not the
police (neither of whom I trust) and not anyone I've spoken to (all of whom
I trust).

Does ANYBODY know the California law (you certainly don't & neither do I)?

Why doesn't someone on alt.law-enforcement.traffic respond?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 5:46 pm
From: Steve Sobol

["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.]
On 2007-11-11, Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN <AnnRnWocn@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The law is if the DAMAGE is over 750 dollars, both parties must file.
> I said so in the first post.
>
> THe problem is how to ASSESS what the damage is.

Not a problem. Take it to a body shop and get an estimate.

> I've assessed it at 100 dollars (that's what it cost anyway).

Based on what?

> Nobody yet I've ever met understands the implications, not the DMV, not the
> police (neither of whom I trust) and not anyone I've spoken to (all of whom
> I trust).

I don't know what the problem is.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED

www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:18 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Ann LaRocca-Reifers, RN wrote:
> Does ANYBODY know the California law (you certainly don't & neither do I)?
>
> Why doesn't someone on alt.law-enforcement.traffic respond?

If you want legal advice or opinion and nobody is offering it to you for
free, then why not hire a lawyer? That's what they do, after all.

Alternatively, why not go to the State of California's web site and read
through the relevant parts of the code?

Both of those would be a lot more effective than cross-posting to
misc.consumers.frugal-living.

- Logan

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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a0ee7a8600425be?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:12 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

danny burstein wrote:
> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
>> sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
>> be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
>> the worst leaks.
>
> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
> folk. They just might have one.

You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.

Anthony

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:42 pm
From: aemeijers

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> danny burstein wrote:
>> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers
>> <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one
>>> (ANY sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for
>>> me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited
>>> repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>
>> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
>> folk. They just might have one.
>
> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>
> Anthony
Okay- a quick Google shows entry-level models of those start at around a
hundred bucks. Cute, but kind of steep for a one-time-use tool.

As to enlisting the FD- yeah, the multiple departments around here do
have thermal cameras, but they are the kind for spotting warm bodies
through smoke.(Donated by the local insurance companies.) Not much use
for spotting 70-degree hot spots against a 30? 40? degree background.
Not to mention, they are all understaffed and underfunded, since all the
local governmental units refuse to do the logical thing and combine them
into a metro department and cut out the duplication. They don't have the
spare manhours for non-fire related residential field trips.

I wonder if tool rental places have ever considered adding thermal
cameras to their library? Kinda hi-tech for most DIYs to use, I guess,
not to mention fragile and expensive...

aem sends...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:49 pm
From: Les Cargill

aemeijers wrote:
> Anthony Matonak wrote:
>> danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>>> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>>> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one
>>>> (ANY sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for
>>>> me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited
>>>> repair funds at the worst leaks.
>>>
>>> For the hell of it, call your local fire department
>>> folk. They just might have one.
>>
>> You might be able to do almost as well using a non-contact thermometer.
>> Go out on a cold night and scan the likely places, like around windows
>> and doors. It's slower but works on the same principle.
>>
>> Anthony
> Okay- a quick Google shows entry-level models of those start at around a
> hundred bucks. Cute, but kind of steep for a one-time-use tool.
>

Uh... no.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93983

> As to enlisting the FD- yeah, the multiple departments around here do
> have thermal cameras, but they are the kind for spotting warm bodies
> through smoke.(Donated by the local insurance companies.) Not much use
> for spotting 70-degree hot spots against a 30? 40? degree background.
> Not to mention, they are all understaffed and underfunded, since all the
> local governmental units refuse to do the logical thing and combine them
> into a metro department and cut out the duplication. They don't have the
> spare manhours for non-fire related residential field trips.
>
> I wonder if tool rental places have ever considered adding thermal
> cameras to their library? Kinda hi-tech for most DIYs to use, I guess,
> not to mention fragile and expensive...
>
> aem sends...

--
Les Cargill

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:09 pm
From: "Don K"

"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
news:%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY sort of IR
> camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd be worth a C-note to me to
> be able to target my limited repair funds at the worst leaks.

Some digital cameras and webcams already respond to IR.

There are various instructions around on how to convert them into IR cameras.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/395292/take_infrared_pictures_with_your_digital_camera/

No thanks are necessary. Just send me the C-note. :)

Don

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TOPIC: Comcast - drop cable TV but keep Internet?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef5e146031ebf44c?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:19 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

timeOday wrote:
> ... The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
> quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.

Just because they demand something doesn't mean you have to give it.
You could probably just fill in any sequence of numbers.

It's like when the supermarket wants your birthday, 12/07/1941 seems
like a nice easy to remember date.

Anthony

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 6:30 pm
From: Gordon

"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in news:jzdZi.80$jH2.8@trnddc01:

> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).
>
>

I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

One tip; Before signing up with Verizon, get a free Yahoo e-mail.
Then when you sign up, get the yahoo/verizon package. Your free
e-mail will be upgraded to priemium service and you will also get
other Yahoo services (like flickr) at priemium levels at no extra cost.

Oh, but skip the Verizon phone service. It costs too much. fios
is the same price with or without phone service.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:59 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Gordon wrote:
...
> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
selling it anymore.

Anthony

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:59 pm
From: George Grapman

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> timeOday wrote:
>> ... The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
>> quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.
>
> Just because they demand something doesn't mean you have to give it.
> You could probably just fill in any sequence of numbers.
>
> It's like when the supermarket wants your birthday, 12/07/1941 seems
> like a nice easy to remember date.
>
> Anthony

I remember when Radio Shack used to ask for a phone number. If they
insisted I gave the 415-555-1212.
My two grocery cards both have 415-123-4567.
The only card that has my real name and address is the race track
because they mail out freebies and promos.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 8:36 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <47367d54$0$32546$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, anthonym40
@nothing.like.socal.rr.com says...
> Gordon wrote:
> ...
> > I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> > a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> > their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.
>
> Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
> all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
> selling it anymore.
>
> Anthony

Yes, it works. I had it installed last Monday.
Video quality is superb, internet connection is fast & stable,
and my phone works.

--Gene

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:28 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> ...
>> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
>> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
>> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.
>
> Does fios actually work? I've heard rumors that they've had
> all kinds of problems with the technology and aren't even
> selling it anymore.

Could be capacity issues rather than a flaw in the technology
itself. When Time-Warner first installed cable modems in the
area, the popularity grew so quickly that they had to keep
upgrading it every couple months as the segments got overcrowded
and speeds dropped. They'd upgrade it and it'd be fast again,
then get slow again as more and more people signed on. Finally,
after a year or two either growth dropped to a slower rate, or
they learned how to scale up capacity fast enough, and all the
growing pains went away.

Then fast forward to when they first offered telephone service
over the cable lines. Similar problems happened, except that
instead of internet slowness, it was "all circuits busy" messages
or never-ending ringing when someone tried to call you. Then
after about a year, those capacity problems went away too.

- Logan

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:36 pm
From: timeOday

Gordon wrote:
> "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in news:jzdZi.80$jH2.8@trnddc01:
>
>> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
>> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
>> available).
>>
>>
>
> I'll second that fios suggestion. Verizon deployed fios around here
> a few summers ago and Comcast is running scared. They have lowered
> their prices and upgraded their speeds to try and match Verizon's.

Heh. How I would love to have some competition around here.

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TOPIC: EARN AS MUCH AS U WANT NO LIMIT
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/96ba3c3fdf360af2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:30 pm
From: angela_gracy

ARE YOU THINKING TO HAVE A HOME BASED BUSINESS

WELL YOUR SEARCH IS OVER. COME AND JOIN US AND

ENJOY THE COMFORT OF EARNING AT HOME.

THOUGH I AM A BEGINER.

I EARN $20000 PER MONTH

SO WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR

www.freewebs.com/lingui

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TOPIC: REGISTER YOURSELF AND GET THE $200 FOR FREE
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7e90460be1498f46?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:30 pm
From: angela_gracy

ARE YOU THINKING TO HAVE A HOME BASED BUSINESS

WELL YOUR SEARCH IS OVER. COME AND JOIN US AND

ENJOY THE COMFORT OF EARNING AT HOME.

THOUGH I AM A BEGINER.

I EARN $20000 PER MONTH

SO WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR

www.freewebs.com/lingui

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:51 pm
From: George Grapman

I can only imagine8ne are far $20,000 a month goes in India.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:52 pm
From: George Grapman

I can only imagine how far $20,000 a month goes in India.

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TOPIC: Frugal Home Remedy Questions / Thoughts
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f16d94d5b7304c70?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 7:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

>> I didn't say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
>> kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
>> and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

> I'm pretty sure nobody was promoting it's use... The original
> question was aswered as to who, what, when, where, why, etc... Thread is dead as far as I'm concerned - and it was my
> original post.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

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TOPIC: Dying to shop
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:40 pm
From: timeOday

I'm just glad this was in China rather than here in the US.
So much for communism!
Ah, greed.

<http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/10/supermarket.stampede.ap/index.html>

BEIJING, China (AP) -- Shoppers eager to buy goods on sale stampeded at
a Carrefour supermarket in southwestern China on Saturday, trampling
three people to death and injuring at least 31, state media reported.

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