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TOPIC: Wholesale of the shoes clothing electronics in china www.fashion-sky.
com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:48 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile(apple iphones,apple
iphones,apple iphones,apple iphones) 3).Nokia Mobile(Nokia N95,Nokia
N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N95 Nokia N93,Nokia N70,Nokia N92,Nokia 8800)
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

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TOPIC: GET A 100% FREE iPOD,PS3,PSP,iPHONE,PSP,Wii,CELLPHONE,MP3 PLAYERS!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:50 am
From: Abhishek

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TOPIC: Cheap sell iphones and nokia Mobile from china (www.fashion-sky.com)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:53 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: Clothing Shirt Cap Nike Jordans puma bape gucci prada Sport shoes Bape
Dunk jean T shirt Handbag bags IPOD MP3 MP4 PSP PS2 PS3 Nokia N95 Hoodies
Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony memory card Mobile Phones etc wholesale
sport shoes clothing electrons mobile phone
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:55 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: wholesale sport shoes,clothing,electronics in china www.shopbb.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:14 am
From: "shopbb.com"

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.shopbb.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.shopbb.com
MSN and E-mail: shopbb@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael

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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:31 am
From: James

On Nov 14, 5:38 pm, BrotherSandMonkey <blin...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 3:24 am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > More basic problem, they have no transportation and have to
> > pay what the local stores charge. Pay to the store owner is
> > good, being mostly state aid card or cash. Cost is not a
> > real issue, since the locals are not paying for the goods
> > anyhow. The taxpayer pays. The elderly also need a local
> > store to survive, even good public transport can't get them
> > to the malls and large shopping centers.
>
> Sure, but they shouldn't stock Aldi and Save A Lot items, because
> low income and elderly pay thru the
> nose for what is worth and costs less. But Aldi and Save A Lot don't
> stock Forty Bowls.
>
> > I knew a family than ran a large chain of small "corner"
> > stores in the poor parts of town. First thing every morning
> > was a stop at the Sams and the bakery discount stores to
> > stock their stores for the day.
>
> Different. Unless Sams adapts a no dealers policy. The family
> wasn't Arab or Asian Indian, huh?
>
> > A law? Don't think for a minute that government can
> > transport those goods to these neighborhoods as efficiently
> > as the overpriced corner stores. If you want to help, and
> > are near one of these neighborhoods, offer to shop the basic
> > items a family needs, while you're shopping at your
> > superstore. Most of the elderly are very isolated and five
> > minutes of your time every other day may even save a life,
> > and both of you benefit. Next time you're at the grocery
> > store, behind a little old lady (or gent) with a small
> > selection of basics, and digging out change to pay, tell the
> > clerk to put it on your bill. That $5-10 will get you an
> > elderly smile, and amazed clerk look, you will remember a
> > long time.
>
> I'm not talking about Name Brands; I'm talking Off Brand (Aldi and
> Save A Lot are Off Brand, natch) products
> at prices similar to Name Brands in the Same F**ing Sand Monkey/Third
> World Monkey stores.
> Hell. no other people wants to stay in a store all those long hours,
> not even our African American friends have
> the patience to run their own 'hood stores.
>
> > Meals on wheels can only do so much.
>
> Never said it did. But we're not talking them per se, our
> elders.

Let's stop feeding the racist troll he is enjoying this too much.

James

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:59 am
From: larry

BrotherSandMonkey wrote:
> On Nov 12, 3:24 am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:

>>I knew a family than ran a large chain of small "corner"
>>stores in the poor parts of town.
> Different. Unless Sams adapts a no dealers policy. The family
> wasn't Arab or Asian Indian, huh?

The family wasn't, just the people that worked there ;-)

But it's no different than the contractors and other trades
around here.

-larry / dallas

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TOPIC: Best place to post online classifieds?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:03 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
"retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid of
everything I liked to use on their website.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:22 am
From: Just A User

OhioGuy wrote:
> I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
> "retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid of
> everything I liked to use on their website.
>
>
well there is always craigslist

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:33 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

Just A User wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> I used to use the free Yahoo classifieds, but evidently they've been
>> "retired", just like Yahoo auctions. Seems like Yahoo is getting rid
>> of everything I liked to use on their website.
>>
> well there is always craigslist
>

some good buys, there.....local stuff
see b4 u buy

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 12:20 pm
From: timeOday

definitely craigslist. They're probably why Yahoo gave up.

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TOPIC: Auto Related - Gas Saving Tips
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:28 am
From: "John Weiss"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
>> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...

>> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.

Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.

> If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
> thinner one.

Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.

> Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.

Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going faster
than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C at
highway speeds.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 11:17 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 14, 7:31 pm, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc.
> Anything that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?http://tinyurl.com/5apkg
>
> Hillary Exposed:http://tinyurl.com/2v4avg

How about going on a diet? Body weight also contributes to lower
MPG. If you ride alone you could also lose the extra seats in the
car :)

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 3:37 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Seerialmom wrote:
...
> How about going on a diet? Body weight also contributes to lower
> MPG. If you ride alone you could also lose the extra seats in the
> car :)

You could also remove the outside mirrors, door handles, and radio
antenna. Then add smooth hubcaps, underbody panels and extra bits
to reduce wind resistance. The fenders, hood and outside body of the
car could be replaced with carbon fiber composites to save some extra
weight.

Better yet, trade it in for something more efficient. I'm told there
are all kinds of 100+ mpg cars coming out in a couple of years. Some
are supposed to get more than 200 mpg.

Anthony

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:32 pm
From: "Bob F"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
>>> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...
>
>>> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.
>
> Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.
>
>> If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
>> thinner one.
>
> Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.
>
>> Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.
>
> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going faster
> than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C at
> highway speeds.

I've read this - it's even in my nissan van manual. But I sure can tell the
difference when I'm trying to hold speed up a steep hill when I turn the a/c
off. No such difference when I open the window.

Bob

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:50 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Joe" <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote in message
news:L4P_i.11140$VB6.7627@trnddc06...
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc. Anything
> that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?

When you are going to have to slow or stop, get off the gas immediately. Let the
car slow down from engine brakeing rather than foot brakeing later on. If you
can, time the speed with the light to avoid total stops. Slowing down early can
mean not stopping, avoiding have to re-accelerate.

Choose your route to avoid steep uphills, long stops at problem lights, multiple
stops, heavy traffic.

Don't speed. If you won't back things up, even drive lower than the limit.

Don't warm up the engine - just drive gently the first few miles. It could even
help to leave the heater off until the engine is fully warm - it will warm up
faster, and uses less fuel when warm.

Bob

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 5:16 pm
From: "Lou"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
> >> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...
>
> >> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.
>
> Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.
>
> > If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
> > thinner one.
>
> Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.
>
> > Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.
>
> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going
faster
> than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C
at
> highway speeds.

I suppose that every car is different, and I suppose that it depends on what
your definition of "highway speeds" is (as fast as you possibly can or the
posted speed limit), but in my car on about an 80 mile a day drive, one
third local two thirds interstate, air conditioning uses more gas than
driving with the windows open - a lot more.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 6:34 pm
From: Hugemoth

Sell your car and buy a car that gets better mileage. That's what I did
last summer. Bought a used car for $800.00 that gets 50 mpg on the
highway, better than my motorcycle. I can drive 500 miles on a tank of
gas and fill up with 10 gallons.

Joe wrote:
> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient... I don't
> really use it for anything other than commuting so here are some ideas I had
> without going TOO extreme...
>
> 1. Remove unnecessary parts that are heavy and lower mileage... Trunk rugs,
> unneeded tools, electric window motors(?), floor mats, hub caps, etc.
> Anything that is extra weight...
>
> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing. Thought about a K&N
> high flow filter, but at almost $60.00, I don't think it will pay for itself
> in the long run... Especially with FI.
>
> 3. Clean the throttle body on my car. At 160,000 miles, it's all messy
> inside.
>
> 4. No jack rabbit starts or cruising overly fast. No heavy acceleration on
> the highway to pass, etc.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
> http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
> http://tinyurl.com/5apkg
>
> Hillary Exposed:
> http://tinyurl.com/2v4avg
>
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 9:57 am
From: globwholesale@126.com

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TOPIC: alternatives to Ebay/Paypal? - don't like the 44% fee
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:51 am
From: Anthony Matonak

OhioGuy wrote:
> Recently, I was looking over Ebay/Paypal fees, and noticed that it costs
> a whopping 87 cents in fees to sell a $2 item! That's 44% in fees for me,
> folks. Yes, I sell a lot of $2 items. (recent comics)
>
> This got me wondering: is there any other place that
> C) lets you sell smaller items for a 10% or less commission?

Have you tried craigs list? :)

Time for a reality check. It cost to provide these auction services.
Do you really expect them to stay in business if they don't charge?

The easy answer is not to sell the items one at a time but to sell
them in higher priced lots.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 11:29 am
From: globwholesale15@126.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 1:26 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

So far this season, we have received two gift cards as part of
advertisements: $10 at Kohl's and $5 at Ruby Tuesday. Given that
nothing at Kohl's is frugally priced ( :-) ), I think we did pretty
well, with an Oriental-style square serving dish and small bowl which
were on sale at 50% off. List price with tax would have been about
about $25; total cost to us was $1.58.

Not sure if this is a trend, but check those ads!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 1:42 pm
From: A Veteran

Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use Father
Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because it may be offensive
to women, it was reported Thursday.

Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed to say "ha ha
ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

http://www.dailykos.com/

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 2:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use
> Father Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because
> it may be offensive to women, it was reported Thursday.

> Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed
> to say "ha ha ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

Usual mindless Murdoch shit rag shit.

No one gets to 'instruct' all santas on anything.

> http://www.dailykos.com/

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