Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 17 topics

Saturday, November 24, 2007

25 new messages in 17 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Black Friday scams
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 8:21 am
From: George Grapman

Chloe wrote:
> "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
> news:86pek3l0rqdr2tpo0fgmstclij28cme0cq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), sarge137
>> <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snkp>
>> I mentioned it, and he said he would check them. Another 15 minutes,
>> and he came back. I added it up, and it was still $300 higher than my
>> purchase. He took it back again. Another 10 minutes, and he came out
>> and admitted that it would cost $300, but it was a good deal. I told
>> him to take it off. No way I was I buying an extended warranty.
>>
>> My sister would have paid it, never noticing the problem. It makes me
>> wonder how many people fall for that scam, and how they can get
>> employees to do this without feeling guilty.
>
> They might feel guilty, but I bet the bonuses they get based on how many of
> the warranties they sell helps ease the pain.
>
>
I put a simple stop to those requests. I tell them I understand they
are being told to offer the warranty but doing so makes it sound as if
they do not have faith that the product will last more than year. I then
thank for the offer and politely say that if the continue to press the
issue I will leave without buying the product.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:17 am
From: rustypig

On Nov 23, 6:04 pm, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:
> The Trucker wrote:
> >On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:52:03 -0800, Joe wrote:
>
> >>http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-philly.html#bf
>
> >The biggest scam of all is the "manufacturer's rebate" that takes several
> >months and may not ever come. I have been waiting 6 months now for a
> >rebate that I have decided will never show up. Its sorta like medical
> >insurance: If you make it difficult enough to get reimbursed then the
> >plaintiff will eventually give up on it.
>
> Got a rebate today from Symantec (filed 4 months ago). The name on the
> check has significant spelling errors and the line for endorsement
> strictly forbids a third party endorsement.
>
> I can see where they will now reject the rebate because my correct name
> (for proper deposit) will not begin to match the name on the rebate check.

Symatec is FAMOUS for not honoring their "rebates".

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:38 am
From: Gordon Sande

On 2007-11-24 12:21:10 -0400, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:

> Chloe wrote:
>> "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
>> news:86pek3l0rqdr2tpo0fgmstclij28cme0cq@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), sarge137
>>> <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <snkp>
>>> I mentioned it, and he said he would check them. Another 15 minutes,
>>> and he came back. I added it up, and it was still $300 higher than my
>>> purchase. He took it back again. Another 10 minutes, and he came out
>>> and admitted that it would cost $300, but it was a good deal. I told
>>> him to take it off. No way I was I buying an extended warranty.
>>>
>>> My sister would have paid it, never noticing the problem. It makes me
>>> wonder how many people fall for that scam, and how they can get
>>> employees to do this without feeling guilty.
>>
>> They might feel guilty, but I bet the bonuses they get based on how
>> many of the warranties they sell helps ease the pain.
>>
>>
> I put a simple stop to those requests. I tell them I understand they
> are being told to offer the warranty but doing so makes it sound as if
> they do not have faith that the product will last more than year. I
> then thank for the offer and politely say that if the continue to press
> the issue I will leave without buying the product.

I always just say that "I am able to self insure against future failures.
So far I have been lucky and am very far ahead of the game as the only
failure I have had was in under 90 days on a manufacturers 1 year
warrantee." They seem to quickly get the message that it is a waste of
their time to continue as most have learned to not pursue hopeless cases.
Some are even smart enough to realize and appreciate that you have just
helped them not waste their time.

Oh by the way, it happens to be true. If your cost structure is such that
you can not take the risk of the future failure then you should buy the
insurance. But that is true of all insurance. So I do have insurance
on truly big ticket items like real estate and accident liability.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 10:35 am
From: "Chloe"

"Gordon Sande" <g.sande@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:2007112413381516807-gsande@worldnetattnet...
> On 2007-11-24 12:21:10 -0400, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> said:
>
>> Chloe wrote:
>>> "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
>>> news:86pek3l0rqdr2tpo0fgmstclij28cme0cq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), sarge137
>>>> <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> <snkp>
>>>> I mentioned it, and he said he would check them. Another 15 minutes,
>>>> and he came back. I added it up, and it was still $300 higher than my
>>>> purchase. He took it back again. Another 10 minutes, and he came out
>>>> and admitted that it would cost $300, but it was a good deal. I told
>>>> him to take it off. No way I was I buying an extended warranty.
>>>>
>>>> My sister would have paid it, never noticing the problem. It makes me
>>>> wonder how many people fall for that scam, and how they can get
>>>> employees to do this without feeling guilty.
>>>
>>> They might feel guilty, but I bet the bonuses they get based on how many
>>> of the warranties they sell helps ease the pain.
>>>
>>>
>> I put a simple stop to those requests. I tell them I understand they
>> are being told to offer the warranty but doing so makes it sound as if
>> they do not have faith that the product will last more than year. I then
>> thank for the offer and politely say that if the continue to press the
>> issue I will leave without buying the product.
>
> I always just say that "I am able to self insure against future failures.
> So far I have been lucky and am very far ahead of the game as the only
> failure I have had was in under 90 days on a manufacturers 1 year
> warrantee." They seem to quickly get the message that it is a waste of
> their time to continue as most have learned to not pursue hopeless cases.
> Some are even smart enough to realize and appreciate that you have just
> helped them not waste their time.
>
> Oh by the way, it happens to be true. If your cost structure is such that
> you can not take the risk of the future failure then you should buy the
> insurance. But that is true of all insurance. So I do have insurance
> on truly big ticket items like real estate and accident liability.

I don't spend all that time explaining, I just say "No, thanks." I haven't
had anyone argue with me in recent memory. In a case such as the OP
described, I'd simply have told them to cancel the entire sale. There are
very few things I can't purchase somewhere else, and in fact I have quite a
list of stores that have pissed me off at one time or another and now "no
longer exist" at all as far as I'm concerned. Probably cuts down on my
discretionary spending, actually <g>.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 3:20 pm
From: royls@telus.net

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:51:02 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'll do rebates because you can't get the same or
>equivalent stuff at a better price without the rebates. I pay attention to
>what I'm doing and have been burned for less than $10 over a 10-year+ period.

I have sent away for half a dozen rebates -- the last one perhaps a
year ago -- and have yet to receive a single check.

-- Roy L

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl eijioencofio
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:33 am
From: Milenko Kindl

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon awoke a republic without a president
Saturday amid mounting worries over a power vacuum that has
intensified the nation's yearlong political turmoil.
ADVERTISEMENT

The capital was calm and shops opened for business as usual the
morning after a tumultuous day that saw President Emile Lahoud depart
without a successor after announcing he was handing over security
powers to the army.

Lahoud's final announcement saying the country is in a "state of
emergency" was rejected by the rival, pro-Western Cabinet of Prime
Minister Fuad Saniora.

The government rejection created fresh confusion in an already
unsettled situation, which many Lebanese fear could explode into
violence between supporters of Saniora's government and the pro-Syria
opposition led by the Shiite militant group Hezbollah.

"Lahoud's term ends in a republic without a president," read the
headline of Lebanon's leading An-Nahar newspaper. Another daily, Al-
Balad, printed an empty photo frame on its front page, symbolizing the
political vacuum.

The departure of Lahoud, a staunch ally of the Syrian regime during
his nine years in office, was a long-sought goal of the government
installed by parliament's anti-Syria majority, which has been trying
to put one of its own in the presidency.

Hezbollah and other opposition groups have blocked legislators from
electing a new president by boycotting ballot sessions, leaving
parliament without the required quorum.

The fight has put Lebanon into dangerous, unknown territory: Both
sides are locked in bitter recriminations, accusing the other of
breaking the constitution, and they are nowhere near a compromise on a
candidate to become head of state.

The army command refused to comment on the developments. The military,
under its widely respected chief, Gen. Michel Suleiman, has sought to
remain neutral in the political chaos, and Lahoud's statement did not
give it political powers.

Even before the president's vague announcement, the military was in
place to guard against the two sides' supporters taking the conflict
to the streets. On alert for days, hundreds of soldiers stood with
tanks, armored personnel carriers and jeeps in the area around the
downtown parliament building as well as on roads leading into Beirut.

Lahoud stepped down when his term expired at midnight.

Milenko Kindl
Banja Luka
Banjaluka

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl eijioencofi
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f569efd6fdd731cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:34 am
From: Milenko Kindl

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon awoke a republic without a president
Saturday amid mounting worries over a power vacuum that has
intensified the nation's yearlong political turmoil.
ADVERTISEMENT

Lahoud's final announcement saying the country is in a "state of
emergency" was rejected by the rival, pro-Western Cabinet of Prime
Minister Fuad Saniora.

Hezbollah and other opposition groups have blocked legislators from
electing a new president by boycotting ballot sessions, leaving
parliament without the required quorum.

Lahoud stepped down when his term expired at midnight.

Milenko Kindl
Banja Luka
Banjaluka

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl eijioencof
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/203e537239842bc3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 9:34 am
From: Milenko Kindl

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon awoke a republic without a president
Saturday amid mounting worries over a power vacuum that has
intensified the nation's yearlong political turmoil.
ADVERTISEMENT

Lahoud's final announcement saying the country is in a "state of
emergency" was rejected by the rival, pro-Western Cabinet of Prime
Minister Fuad Saniora.

Hezbollah and other opposition groups have blocked legislators from
electing a new president by boycotting ballot sessions, leaving
parliament without the required quorum.

Lahoud stepped down when his term expired at midnight.

Milenko Kindl
Banja Luka
Banjaluka

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TOPIC: GRIPESTER -- search engine for consumer complaints & product reviews
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 10:03 am
From: admin@online.zzn.com

Gripester searches all major consumer opinion websites (plus many smaller
ones) to deliver the low-down on any company or product.

http://www.gripester.org/

Please tell your friends.

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:05 am
From: James

Bought a Sunbeam twin size at Target for $33. today.
Anna's Linens have another brand for $30 but didn't have any in stock.

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TOPIC: Old stove died, need advice.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:06 am
From: "jaygreg"

Ah. I see. Pity. Thanks for the tip.

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:rgX1j.1778$KK1.1074@newsfe24.lga...
> jaygreg wrote:
>
>>
>>You obviously have no experience working with CR or CU.
>
>
> Rod has no experience with anything. He simple makes up everything.
>
> It's best to just filter him away.

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TOPIC: Free *SPAM* Materials and Pill Box
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:12 am
From: "Frank"

"TheBestFreebies.com" <unavailable@protected.email> wrote in message
news:DzL1j.1025$vt2.189@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> Register and receive educational materials and a pill box by postal mail.

Why do you insist on spmming the newsgroup advertising your web site with
this sort of fake looking offer. If you are going to keep spamming, at
least point to the actual URL rather than at your own forums and web site.
I would advise anyone visitting to install a HOSTS list to ensure the site
owner makes no money out of you from advertising. They often put links
through advertisers sites or redirect your traffic. Google for "HOSTS list"
and hit them in the pocket.
If the web site no longer functions then it's best avoided as genuine sites
will keep on working.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:51 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Frank wrote:
> Why do you insist on spmming the newsgroup advertising your web site with
> this sort of fake looking offer.

It's pointless to berate evil spammers. Just the fact that they are
spamming proves that they don't care about rules, terms of service or
what anyone thinks. It's unlikely they even read the newsgroups.

Anthony

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 12:33 pm
From: clams casino

Frank wrote:

>"TheBestFreebies.com" <unavailable@protected.email> wrote in message
>news:DzL1j.1025$vt2.189@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>>Register and receive educational materials and a pill box by postal mail.
>>
>>
>
>Register with WHO? And on which site?
>
>Why do you insist on spmming the newsgroup advertising your web site with
>this sort of fake looking offer. If you are going to keep spamming, at
>least point to the actual URL rather than at your own forums and web site.
>I would advise anyone visitting to install a HOSTS list to ensure the site
>owner makes no money out of you from advertising. They often put links
>through advertisers sites or redirect your traffic. Google for "HOSTS list"
>and hit them in the pocket.
>If the web site no longer functions then it's best avoided as genuine sites
>will keep on working.
>
>
>
>
>
>
If you don't like their spamming, BELLSOUTH would like to hear from you
(with the original header / spam):

thisisspam@bellsouth.net
abuse@bellsouth.net
rwhois-admin@eng.bellsouth.net
spam@uce.gov

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TOPIC: Free Book: Dismantling *SPAM*
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:14 am
From: "Frank"

"TheBestFreebies.com" <unavailable@protected.email> wrote in message
news:4gK1j.704$vt2.428@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> Request to be mailed a free copy of the book, "Dismantling Cancer"
> by Francisco Contreras, MD.
>
*FROM WHO* !!!! Yet more spam advertising a site and forum. Be sure to
install a HOSTS LIST before using any site to avoid being redirected and
going through advert sites to earn money for the site owner.

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TOPIC: Home Care Tips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5a3cdc1c38f57ec9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 11:34 am
From: Al Whitfield

Hello everyone, I would like to invite you all to visit my website for
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You are also invited to my blog for helpful articles on home care.
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Thanks

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TOPIC: buy shop price cheap air nike jordan adidas shoes clothes handbag glass
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 1:10 pm
From: xiaoshifeng017@gmail.com

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TOPIC: help needed for Young woman victim of hit and run accident on saturday
november 17,2007
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 2:23 pm
From: silveradostud@hotmail.com

A 30year old woman Mariah Donald who until a week ago was under
contract as a teacher in Cotonou, Benin to underprivledged children
who made less than 24 k dollars a year was struck down by a hit and
run driver as she was crossing the street in Cotonou, Benin. The can
ran the red light and speed away. She was just at the travel agent to
leave the country to come back to The United States. She has no
medical insurance and was taken to Nigera to the Jordan Hospital and
Materinty Home. The hospital would not preform the sugery without a
deposit which I have put up the deposit but they said that they will
not release Mariah until the entire bill is paid. I am tapped out
after the deposit and am trying to raise money for her. If you can
picture your self in this situation and can have compassion for
another human being then the address of the Hospital is
8 APATA Street- Sholmoulu,Lagos, Nigeria. the phone number there is
234-1-764-6165 with what ever international code your country has. It
is 011 in the US.
Just a dollar or what you can afford will help. It has been a week and
she has had the surgery yesterday(Friday) she is in a full body cast,
she had both arms and legs broken and her waist fractured along with
multiple cuts. She has not awaken since the accident. Please show that
part of the world that there is compassion for your fellow human on
this side of the world. The Doctor there in charge is DR. Clint O
Kuffour. Please give if you can if not at least say a prayer for this
young woman. Thank you and may God Bless you.

Mike

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TOPIC: Moving Companies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d1f1f6c41cb568be?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 2:25 pm
From: movers

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services company.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 2:51 pm
From: clams casino

movers wrote:

>Moving Comkpanies
>
>

How much to move just one comkpany?

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TOPIC: Los Angeles Movers free moving estimate
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 2:26 pm
From: movers

Los Angeles Movers http://www.movers12.com call 323-678-2704 for free
moving estimate.

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TOPIC: anyone have any Christmas music E-me @...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 2:58 pm
From: Joney Apple

nick_dicristoforo@yahoo.com or nickdicristoforo@gmail.com

I need some Christmas Music to finish my Christmas mix Thanks!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 3:30 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Joney Apple wrote:
> I need some Christmas Music to finish my Christmas mix Thanks!!!

Have you tried the internet archive?
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=christmas%20AND%20mediatype%3Aaudio

Anthony

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TOPIC: Looking For Free Air Pump At Gas Station (North Dallas/Richardson/Plano
- Texas)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 3:12 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

Anthony Matonak wrote:

> your own air pump. This lets you fill your tires as much as you
> would like.
>
> I have seen 12V powered versions for less than $15, foot pumps for
> even less so it's not a huge expense.

My experience with foot pumps is that they are pieces of rubbish. The
hole that the rod goes through tends to get enlarged in one direction and
then the pump won't work.

I did just get a 12V "compressor" at Target for $10. It is slow - tends
to take 15-20 seconds to add just one PSI to a largish car tire (for 1993
Olds Delta 88 Royale). However, it takes less time than going to a gas
station for air.

As for bicycle pumps - few under $25 last in my experience. And I had a
Bell Air Strike 2100 one from a sporting goods shop die on its first day,
while topping off the 4th tire on my car.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: The Fastest Growing Religion in the world
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 3:47 pm
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