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TOPIC: Travelers Cheques
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:42 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

josh@phred.org wrote:
> In article <sufaj.30936$lD6.11963@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
>
>> On a related note debit cards have really cut into the sales of
>> travelers checks. I can not remember the last time I used them.
>
> I know when I last used TCs -- a month in India in the early '90s. I
> hadn't been to India in years, and was expecting the same crumpled-paper
> economy I'd experienced in the mid-'80s, so I took along a couple of
> thousand dollars in travelers checks. Didn't use any of them, most
> larger stores were happy to take my credit card, and I got a better
> exchange rate, too.

We used them in Vietnam in 2001. No one took credit cards.

We also used them in India in 1992, and Japan in 1996. While we could
use credit cards, we also needed cash for a lot of things. (Japan had
ATMs, but finding ones with English prompts was difficult at that time.)
We also used TCs in Turkey in 1998 when we couldn't get our ATM cards to
work because the phone lines were so poor.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:47 am
From: goaway@fractious.net

krw <krw@att.bizzzzz> writes:

> but that never stopped a criminal. Yet, I see the whine about
> debit cards here constantly. No one complains about the "pull"
> system (Europeans, AIUI, have a "push" system, which make far more
> sense, IMO).

Folks can complain all they like, but they basically have
little choice but to have a checking account with all the
vulerability that entails. It's easy to avoid having a
debit card, though, and it's not too hard to minimize
the likelihood of that checking account vulerability
being taken advantage of (ie. never authorize anyone
to pull money from the account - always push payments
yourself, try not to write many checks, and, of course,
don't use debit cards).

The Europeans (actually, the only ones I know for sure
use a system like what you describe are the Germans)
bank check system is definitely better. But it's not
coming here too quickly. In the meantime, folks should
do what they can - starting with avoiding debit cards.

That said, for all that folks claim that your checking
account number is such a vulnerability - anyone who
actually *processes* an ACH transaction for your account
needs to provide proof that you authorized it and they
can get in some serious trouble (ie. lose their authorization
to process them - and thereby very likely go out of
business - and this is the *processors* not the little
fly-by-night merchants).

> > I know people who take their pay checks to their employers bank
> > (often incurring a fee) because they do no want anyone in the company to
> > have their account number.
>
> ....at least their employer doesn't have their bank account
> numbers. ;-) ...of course they're the least likely to do anything
> mischievous with them.

It'd probably be a lot easier for those folks just to keep
a second account - their "real* account - and have their
employer's ACH payroll deposits go into a temporary "holding"
account. As soon as it arrives there, transfer it elsewhere.
Their payroll deposit account, a checknig account, is probably
not earning them much interest anyway and they shouldn't be
keeping much there regardless.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:54 am
From: Peter Bruells

goaway@fractious.net writes:

> krw <krw@att.bizzzzz> writes:
>
>> but that never stopped a criminal. Yet, I see the whine about
>> debit cards here constantly. No one complains about the "pull"
>> system (Europeans, AIUI, have a "push" system, which make far more
>> sense, IMO).
>
....

> The Europeans (actually, the only ones I know for sure
> use a system like what you describe are the Germans)
> bank check system is definitely better. But it's not
> coming here too quickly. In the meantime, folks should
> do what they can - starting with avoiding debit cards.

Actually, unless I misunderstood, we have a pull system at well. I
can authorize a seller to pull money directly from my giro account. I
usually prefer that because it is basically tamper proof, if one
bothers to check his statements.

A bank *has* to re-call such a direct debit when the account holder
objects and the proof of burden lies with the other party.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 6:59 am
From: George Grapman

Bill wrote:
> SMS ???• ? wrote:
>> George Grapman wrote:
>>
>>> Some parents give their children a debit card,especially if they are
>>> at college or otherwise away from home. Each month they put money in the
>>> account and that has to last until the next month. The parents make sure
>>> not to link it to their accounts.
>> My bank has this but it's much safer because it's a prepaid debit
>> Mastercard, and it isn't linked to a specific checking account.
>>
>> Visa has a product like this called the PAYjr Visa Buxx card but it's
>> full of onerous fees. The prepaid debit Mastercard from my bank has no fees.
>>
>> Be sure that there is no activation fee, no annual fee, no monthly fee,
>> no inactivity fee, and no reload fee. I.e. the Visa PAYjr Visa Buxx card
>> has the following fees: $4.95 activation fee, $2.95 monthly fee, $5
>> inactivity fee (no activity in 120 days) and a 50Â¢ reload fee.
>
> I had those cards for my daughter when she was in high school.
> First I had an AMEX Cobalt card, which was fee-free. That
> folded, then I was able to get a Citibank card which usually had
> a startup fee but I got a code to get it for free (and there
> were no other fees). It folded as well.
>
> The Visa Buxx has been around for a while and the banks offering
> it have always had awful fees. Is your bank's something similar
> (in terms of features for kids) or is it just a standard
> pre-paid debit card? What bank is it?
>
> Bill

The rip off check cashing places here sell them with a list of fees
including activation,reloading and monthly fees.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 7:43 am
From: "rick++"

> The real question is why anyone would ever want to use a MC/Visa debit
> card rather than a credit card. The advantages of using a credit card
> are overwhelming.

20% or more of US residents are totally outside of the US banking
system.
A debit card is easier to obtain at the beginning.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:18 pm
From: val189

On Dec 19, 11:39 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Correct. I check mine twice a day. Takes about 30 seconds each time.
> It also helps me keep track of recurring charges which may vary slightly
> from month to month.

Twice a day? Does your bank or cr. cd. co. post changes more than
once in 24 hours? Lucky you.
I check my cr. cd. and 'gateway' chkg accounts once a day and have
never found them to change more often than once daily.

One of mine just changed the menu tho - it's taking about 45 seconds
now to go thru the process. Yet, it's quicker than their online
method.

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TOPIC: Did hot air popcorn machines go extinct?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 7:00 am
From: "Janie"

"Rick" <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote in message news:4769D756.E9980DAB@rcn.com...
> Hey all
>
> Can't find them when I went looking for one.
>
> Well, I can find two. They both have the same design problems and spew
> uncooked kernels and popcorn everywhere. The first disaster is a $9.99
> item carried by Walgreens. The other one looks stupid enough - the red
> "pop corn vendor" cart model. Target carries it and there are a ton of
> bad on line reviews at Amazon. It costs up to three times as much as the
> Walgreens one but is designed pretty much the same way and does the same
> thing: The way they are designed they "spin" the popcorn around in hot
> air, and that seems to make it fly everywhere - both the popcorn and hot
> kernels - once a few kernels start to pop. Which leads to hot kernels
> exploding in the bowl of popcorn - which sends the popped stuff in the
> bowl flying everywhere. In a way, it's kind of funny. But then you try
> it maybe once more with the same results - not funny any longer - and
> then you return it to the store...
>
> Kinda tired of the cost per unit for that prepackaged microwave popcorn.
> And - if anyone remembers - the microwave stuff is good, but it's kinda
> soggy compared to hot air popcorn. But shocked I am to find out that
> popcorn machines - especially hot air poppers - seemed to have vanished.
> Not looking for a hot oil machine - Presto has reinvented the "Stir
> Crazy" hot oil machine this year - already seen it.
>
> Rick

Go to Amazon.com and type in hot-air popcorn popper to find several models.
You should be able to find something that you will like.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 8:17 am
From: barbie gee

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, George wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> Hey all
>>
>> Can't find them when I went looking for one.
>>
>> Well, I can find two. They both have the same design problems and spew
>> uncooked kernels and popcorn everywhere. The first disaster is a $9.99
>> item carried by Walgreens. The other one looks stupid enough - the red
>> "pop corn vendor" cart model. Target carries it and there are a ton of
>> bad on line reviews at Amazon. It costs up to three times as much as the
>> Walgreens one but is designed pretty much the same way and does the same
>> thing: The way they are designed they "spin" the popcorn around in hot
>> air, and that seems to make it fly everywhere - both the popcorn and hot
>> kernels - once a few kernels start to pop. Which leads to hot kernels
>> exploding in the bowl of popcorn - which sends the popped stuff in the
>> bowl flying everywhere. In a way, it's kind of funny. But then you try
>> it maybe once more with the same results - not funny any longer - and
>> then you return it to the store...
>>
>> Kinda tired of the cost per unit for that prepackaged microwave popcorn.
>> And - if anyone remembers - the microwave stuff is good, but it's kinda
>> soggy compared to hot air popcorn. But shocked I am to find out that
>> popcorn machines - especially hot air poppers - seemed to have vanished.
>> Not looking for a hot oil machine - Presto has reinvented the "Stir
>> Crazy" hot oil machine this year - already seen it.
>>
>> Rick
>
> Time to move on to microwave (but not that stinky prepackaged stuff). I
> bought an inexpensive microwave popper which is simply a bowl with a loose
> fitting lid quite some time ago. It pops almost every kernel and no oil is
> used. As a side benefit the popcorn tastes better than the hot air version.

I discovered that you don't even need to buy the microwave popper bowl!
see this:
<http://www.instructables.com/id/Microwave-Popcorn%3a-Home-made%2c-cheap-and-easy/>

basically, you can use a plain paper bag, and staple the bag shut w/ 2
staples. They don't arc in the microwave, and you don't even have a bowl
to clean up...
You can totally omit the oil, and it still pops up beautifully.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 11:17 am
From: Rick

Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> > Can't find them when I went looking for one.
>
> I think microwave popcorn has taken over but you could
> always try the google "shopping" search.
>
> http://www.google.com/products?q=hot+air+popcorn+popper&btnG=Search
>
> Anthony

Thanks. It appears things are down to two: Presto or Toastmaster. (That
"Nostalgia Electrics" is the disaster that comes up in 99% of the other
hits.) But since the Presto manufacturer's web site says their model is
on back order it might explain why I can't find it in any of the stores
Presto says it's supposed to be carried by.

IMO I don't agree that microwave popcorn is better. I got a chance to
try hot air popcorn again recently and it's lighter and fluffier than
microwave, which to me seems somewhat soggy and a little tough. What I
don't like about any microwave version is that the moisture gets trapped
in the cooking process and that seems to be what makes it relatively
soggy and tough compared to a hot air method. (Some microwave ovenss
exhaust moisture better than others but you can't eliminate the
problem.) Just my preference.

Rick

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TOPIC: International Calling with Cell Phones Made Affordable
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 7:03 am
From: George Grapman

Buy a Costco phone card and call the 800 number from your cell. The
per minute rate is cheaper than the poster offers and there is no
monthly fee.

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== 1 of 2 ==
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TOPIC: Exploding television...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 9:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> In modern equipment (ie anything 20 years old or newer) the parts
>>> are so small and draw so little juice that even if a component does
>>> smoke (short circuit) the worst that happens is a charred spot
>>> smaller than a shirt button. Often you cannot even spot the part
>>> that failed. Ergo modern electronics are not repairable on account
>>> of very highly integrated parts (a whole function block in a single chip).
>>> The electrical interconnects are thinner than a human hair and the
>>> whole board is sealed under a thick polymer coating. The slightest
>>> electrical surge and some electrical trace will vaporize somewhere.
>>> There is no heat build-up to start any sparks or flames. A 32 inch
>>> CRT TV has only a single board. If that goes the only option is to
>>> replace the whole board.

>> Thats wrong. There are still a few components on that that can be
>> replaced cheaply if they are what has failed, most obviously with the
>> diodes that rectify the mains etc and they are often what has failed
>> because they are the most highly electrically stressed components.

> All modern electronic equipment from mainstream
> manufacturers have very high reliability.

Irrelevant to that claim you made about replacing the whole board,
that you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have restored.

> Heard that famous line about them failing one
> week after a five year warranty period?.

Pity its aways been a mindlessly silly lie. It
isnt even possible to design them to do that.

> Components like diodes are sources from very few remaining global
> sized manufacturers and they are all manufactured to the same
> specs - with MTBF (mean time between failure) measured in years.

Irrelevant to the fact that the ones that the diodes which rectify the
mains live in one of the most demanding environments, because
they are exposed to spikes on the mains, and thats why they do
still sometimes fail. Thats got nothing to do with MTBF either.

> There's no savings in buying from a less reliable manufacturer.

Irreveant to what is being discussed, whether when
they do fail, you dont have to replace the whole board.

> The returns and repairs will bankrupt any business promptly.
> When equipment fails the vendor gives you a brand new one
> and toss out the return. That's a lot cheaper than hiring
> knowledgeable experienced service guys. The few service
> guys they have are essentially board and module swappers.

Irrelevant to what can be done if it fails outside warranty and they
dont all have 5 year warrantys, particularly the low end stuff.

> Out of five modules swap out each one in succession until one
> works. No one does diagnostics or component repairs anymore.

Some still do that in their own time with stuff that is out of warranty.

> Microminiaturization makes that impossible anyway.

No it doesnt with the diodes that rectify the mains in the power supply.

> I fixed my own TV set because it cost me $800 new, a generic
> replacement at $300 and I'm not going to lug that 20 year old hernia
> box to the TV service shop that was going to charge $70 for just
> looking. Had the thing just died I would have tossed it. But it had
> an intermittent video problem that a slap on the cabinet side could
> temporarily fix. That means the components were OK and it had
> a cold solder or loose connection somewhere. I loved the
> challenge but it still took me 5 tries to locate the cold solder.

Just as true of a failed mains rectifying diode if you know what you are doing.

Your original that you carefully deleted from the
quoting and I have restored is just plain wrong.

> The service shop guy would give up after 1/2 and hour
> and collect his $70. Any more effort and he loses big.

Irrelevant to what someone else can do if they arent paying for anyone else's time.

> The TV now looks better than before, 5 years now after
> that fix. Dang I take care of my toys and enjoy fixing them.

So your original that you carefully deleted from the
quoting and I have restored is just plain wrong.

> I have 50 year old stuff that still hum along like new.

Me too, but completely irrelevant to what was being discussed,
your silly claim that only a board swap is possible now.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 11:53 am
From: Dennis

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:11:54 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dennis wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:55 -0500, maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary
>> Mathews) wrote:
>>>
>>>My sister's friend's TV exploded. The two ladies there were hurt and
>>>taken to the hospital. The house burned to the ground. Does anyone here
>>>know about exploding TV's and what we can do to prevent such an
>>>accident? Thanks. Mary
>>
>> Was there a penguin atop the telly at the time?
>
>Bastard, I was going to say that.

Neener-neener. And I half expected that no one would get the
reference.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

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Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 10:34 am
From: Vandy Terre

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:15:15 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

>The price of corn and products that use it is on the way up because corn
>has become a popular crop for ethanol.

Pehaps this is a factor. The price may be increasing more due to increased
expense in planting, growing and harvesting the crop plus transporting the crop
to processing plants. Price may also be increasing just because it costs more
to get the product to market.

There may even be a shortage of corn just because so much of the land area used
to grow this crop was either in severe drought conditions or flooded. This just
past growing season was a rough season for many farmers.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:03 pm
From: val189

From a frugal standpoint, a good artificial a tree will amortize
itself down to a few bucks as the years roll by and you smugly haul it
out one more time. Although, I will admit there's nothing like the
aroma of a real tree.

Mine is prelit, umbrellas into a tree in a trice. Toss on a few
ornaments and it's done.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:13 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:55:28 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>Dennis wrote:
>> By buying a real tree from my neighbor's lot, I am helping support a
>> small farmer in my community. Some of the money is used to plant and
>> maintain more trees.
>
>I'm all for helping support small farmers, but correct me if this is
>wrong. New trees can't grow as fast as the old ones are cut down, right?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Certainly, you can replant one
(or more) new trees for each one cut down. Once the initial crop
matures, assuming a more or less constant demand, you will have the
same number of new trees maturing in a given year as you want to cut.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:05 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:30:39 GMT, mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov>
wrote:

>I want to know what your favorite online electronics retailer is (and I bet
>they are located in New York City). I want to feel satisfied that I am
>dealing with the best and most inexpensive.

I have been very happy with newegg.com. They have a very good
reputation among online buyers.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:06 pm
From: You

In article <lk2hm3hlajqffnujrg5aa9rk06ucahm1it@4ax.com>,
clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:

> Vent free heaters produce COPIOUS amounts of water vapour - a much
> more serious issue in most cases thanoxygen depletement or CO
> concentration.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

That would depend on the Relative Humidity of the area you live in....
if your RH is very low, you may just want a bit of humidity enhancement
in your house....

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:16 pm
From: Quality_is_job_one

http://www.lvrj.com/news/9893062.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Quality_is_job_one <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.lvrj.com/news/9893062.html

Nothing special.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 12:19 pm
From: miopik@gmail.com

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: across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands
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: with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought," Yeah,
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No catch, that was it.
: So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I
thought about trying it. I figured
: what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Like most
of us I was a little
: skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it
: all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161)
and they confirmed
: that it is indeed legal! Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well
GUESS WHAT!!... within 7
: days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured
it would end soon, but
: the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about
$25.00. By the end of the
: second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week
I had over
: $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I
have made a total of
: just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's
: certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on
the lottery!!

: Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it
works....also, make sure you
: print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off
of it as you need it.
: A cousin of mine did this a few months back, and he is now enjoying
life in his brand new
: Tahoe Sport!! ($30,000+). So it does work!!

: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on
each piece of paper
: "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and
place
: ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be
seen through the
: envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 6
envelopes and seal
: them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a
: piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and
a $1.00 bill. What
: you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY
LEGAL! Mail the 6
: envelopes to the following addresses:
:
: 1- Bjarte Soeiland
: Kraakenestoppen 90
: N-5065 Boenes, NORWAY
:
:
: 2- Mr Andrew Ross
: 44 deamon street,
: blackwell, alfreton
: derbyshire
: Englad
: DE55 5JQ
:
:
: 3- TR Enterprises
: 27071 Kennedy Rd.
: Willow Beach, Ontario
: L0E 1S0, Box 249
: Canada
:
: 4- Kevin Klingelhoefer
: 615 Crescent St.
: Langhorne, PA 19047
: USA
:
: 5- A.L.
: Rimon 631/24
: Natzareth illit, T.D. 13123
: ISRAEL (17000)
:
: 6- Matt Mason
: 1012 Bay Dr. Apt C.
: Surfside Beach, SC 29575
:
:
:
: STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move
the other names up
: (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on
the list. STEP
: 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible.
: Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think
there are close to
: 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post,
the more money
: you make! ---DIRECTIONS -----HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------
: Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put
: your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your
: cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the
edit menu. This will copy
: the entire letter into the computers memory. Step 2) Open a blank
'notepad' file and place
: your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu
select 'paste'. This will paste
: a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to
the list. Step 3) Save
: your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your
postings in different sittings,
: you'll always have this file to go back to.
: Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups
: (on-line
: forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit
these message boards and
: post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this
letter and selecting paste
: from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header
that everyone sees as they
: scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the
post message button.
: You're done with your first one!

: Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroupes and
: post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30
seconds for each newsgroup!
: **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE
: MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF
: 200** That's it! You will begin reciving money from around the world
within days! You
: may eventually wany to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of
mail you will receive. If
: you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as
: long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE
ADDRESSES ARE
: CORRECT.**

: Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies
(a very low
: example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter.
Now, each of the 5
: persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each
with my name
: at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is
another $25.00 for me,
: now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only
5 replies
: each, I will bring in an additional
: $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200
with my
: name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an
additional $626.00! OK, now
: here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my
: name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me
$3,125.00!!! Those
: 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with
my name at #1 and if
: still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00!
With a original
: investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on
the list, you just
: take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another
$6.00 to names on the list,
: putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The
thing to remember is,
: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are
joining the internet and
: reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you
afford $6.00
: and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what
if the plan is played out
: and no one sends you
: the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when
there are tons of new
: honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and
newsgroups everyday
: and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000
new users, every day,
: with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play
FAIRLY and
: HONESTLY and this will work.

: Also, for the skeptics, you're looking at this and thinking about
doing it right? imagine how many millions are looking and thinking the
EXACT same thing!!

: Enjoy the money,
: Rick

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TOPIC: Eureka Environ Steamer?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 20 2007 11:49 am
From: Rick

Mike wrote:
>
> Does this device still exist? If so, where can I find it?
> I have mostly hard floors in my house (ceramic tiles) and
> am replacing the carpet as I can.
>
> Mike
>

Nope - long gone. Actually it's the Enviro - not Environ - Steamer if
you are doing searches for it. Eureka just makes more conventional
extraction machines now:

http://www.eureka.com/products/extractor.htm

My .02 on steamers is they keep coming and going in the market place
because they are such a pain to use: Fill it up, wait for it to get to
temperature, use it - OOPS! out of steam, wait for it to cool down, fill
it (again), wait for it to heat up (again), OOPS! out of steam
(again...)

You waste more time on the fill, wait for temp, wait for cool, fill,
wait for temp again stages than you do actually cleaning anything. Shark
is running their latest infomercial for their latest reinvention of the
same thing. Sure it looks all whizz-bang on TeeVee. But in practical use
these things waste a huge amount of time. You notice how they completely
skip over the filling and waiting matter and the length of actual run
time for a fill in the TeeVee infomercials? There's a reason for that...
AIRC the Scuncii brand one we tried a few years back produced about 10
minutes of steam for every 25 minutes of diddling with it. The Eureka
had a larger tank - but you still face the same issues.

At least with the extractors in the current Eureka line they can be
refilled immediately and put back into use immediately - saving a pile
of time in the process. Can be used on bare floors - not just carpets.

Rick

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