Frugal Living: 20 new messages in 9 topics

Thursday, January 31, 2008

20 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: *Over 20 Poker Bonuses*
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 6:14 pm
From: "Tockk"

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I'm not over 20. What's in it for me?

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TOPIC: what does "Tone the skin" actually mean?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 6:50 pm
From: Derald

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>what do you say about this?
I don't think it means anything or was intended to mean anything.
It's puffery from the label of a cosmetics product; it doesn't have to
mean anything.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:09 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7P5oj.4775$J41.197@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Anyone know?
>
> I'm in the process of writing the back label of my aftershaves, and I'm
> using some other brands of aftershave as guides. Some of them claim to
> "tone the skin," but I don't know exactly what that means. I looked at
> some webpages for skin products, skin care, etc, but I haven't found
> anything definite. It could mean anything from skin cleaning, to skin
> firming, to some vague skin improvement of some sort.
>
> Y'all know just about everything . . . what do you say about this?
>

toner is used to remove the residue from cleansing. it seems to tight the
pores a bit.

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TOPIC: ¿necesitas dinero rápido?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:00 pm
From: aida

Cansado de golpear puertas en busca de trabajo???
Necesita ganar dinero sin moverse de su casa???
ESTA ES LA SOLUCIÓN!!!
La técnica más fácil de ganar dinero!!!
Créeme que es real y no es cualquier otra estafa.
Gana $15.000 U.S.D. ó más en 1 mes.
G A R A N T I Z A D O
NO ES BROMA!!.. LEE CON ATENCIÓN!!!
TODOS PODEMOS SALIR GANANDO!!
La única forma de saber que no los estoy estafando es usando la
lógica e inteligencia y así se darán cuenta que el dinero se
multiplica.
Les pido que piensen y analicen el sistema descrito a
continuación con sumo cuidado y saquen sus propias conclusiones.
Sé que tu tiempo vale oro pero te aseguro que si lees esta carta, el
tiempo que inviertas en ella será bien recompensado.
Antes que nada es importante que sepas que en el mundo hay mucho
dinero, solo que está mal repartido; bien, esta es la solución al
problema:
No se trata de que pocos den mucho,
se trata de que muchos den poco.
Días atrás, leí un artículo similar a éste que decía que uno
puede ganar miles de dólares en pocas semanas con una sola inversión
de SEIS DOLARES (U.S.D. $6). Enseguida pensé, ¡Oh no! ¿Otra estafa
más?! pero, como la mayoría de nosotros, la curiosidad pudo más, y
seguí leyendo.
Decía que si envías U.S.D. $1 a cada uno de los 6
nombres y direcciones mencionadas en este artículo, anotas tu nombre,
dirección y código postal al final de la lista reemplazando al nº 6,
y envías este artículo a por lo menos 200 newsgroups (hay miles de
éstos en todo el mundo) podrás recibir en pocas semanas, desde todas
partes del mundo hasta U.S.D. $15.000 o más.
Lo único que podría perder son 6 estampillas y U.S.D $6.
Permíteme explicarte cómo funciona esto y lo más importante el por
qué funciona. Asegúrate de imprimir una copia de este artículo
AHORA, para poder sacar toda la información a medida que lo
necesites.
El proceso es muy fácil y consiste en 3 pasos sencillos:
PASO Nº 1
Consigue 6 hojas de papel y escribe en cada una de ellas:
"POR FAVOR INCLUYE MI NOMBRE EN TU LISTA DE CORRESPONDENCIA"
(PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO YOUR LIST)
junto a tu nombre, dirección e e-mail.
Ahora consigue 6 billetes de 1 dólar e introduce cada dólar en un
sobre con la hoja, de manera que el billete no se vea a través del
sobre. Es recomendable ponerlo encerrado en un papel de
color oscuro o carbónico para prevenir robos de correspondencia.
Ahora deberías tener 6 sobres sellados y en ellos un papel con la
frase mencionada, tu nombre y dirección, y un billete de U.S.D. $1 (1
dólar).
No mandes cheques ni otro tipo de pago,
SOLO BILLETES DE UN DOLAR AMERICANO
Lo que estás haciendo con esto es crear un servicio y eso
hace que esto sea ABSOLUTAMENTE LEGAL!!!
Como un lindo detalle pon también en que posición cada nombre
figuraba cuando mandaste tu dólar: "Estabas en la posición 3" o
"You were in slot 3" como para hacerlo mas completo. De eso se
trata, de hacer dinero y pasarla bien al mismo tiempo.
Envía los 6 sobres a las siguientes direcciones:
1. Jean Herde
C/Génova, nº28 (bis), 1º-11º
08041 Barcelona
ESPAÑA
2. Monica Micea
Roque Sáenz Peña 2335 - Dpto. N° 8
(B1636FII) OLIVOS - Bs. As.
ARGENTINA
3. Alberto Bisetti Ñato -via "SER POST". PERU- ANCASH- CHIQUIAN-
provincia de bologensi-Nº 529.
4. Iban Filomeno Espiritu Ramirez. via "SER POST".
PERU-ANCASH- RECUAY--CATAC--Av.31 de mayo--Nº1588.
5. ANDRES PÉREZ. Urmeneta 967. Recoleta Santiago Chile
6.AÍDA PACHECO. Casilla 3612. Oficina Moneda. Santiago. Chile

PASO Nº 2
Ahora borra el nº 1 de la lista de arriba y mueve los otros nombres
un número para arriba (el nº 6 se convierte en 5, el 5 se convierte
en
el 4, etc.) y agrega TUS DATOS en el lugar 6 de la lista. Incluye tu
nombre, dirección, código postal y país.
PASO Nº 3
Cambia todo lo que creas conveniente de este artículo, pero trata de
mantenerlo lo más cercano al original. Ahora pon tú artículo en por
lo menos 200 newsgroups (existen más de 24.000 grupos) y/o envíalo
directamente a 200 o más direcciones de e-mail, hay millones.
Sólo necesitas 200, pero cuanto más cantidad pongas, más dinero te
llegará!!!, si conoces BBS (Bulletin Board Systems) locales con áreas
de mensajes, etc., donde se te ocurra (recuerda que es LEGAL)
publícalos.
Cuando publiques la descripción de este artículo, trata de darle un
nombre que "atrape", como: "NECESITA DINERO RÁPIDO?, LEA ESTE
ARTICULO", "NECESITA DINERO PARA PAGAR SUS DEUDAS???", etc.
Y cuanto más se publique más posibilidades de recibir más dinero vas
a tener, además les das la oportunidad a otras personas que estén
interesadas en hacer dinero.
HAGAMOS EL COMPROMISO DE SER HONESTOS Y CUMPLIR CON LO LEGAL,
PONIENDO
UN 120 POR CIENTO DE NOSOTROS PARA QUE ESTE SISTEMA FUNCIONE!!!
El sistema solo funcionara si hacemos lo correcto y hacemos mover el
dinero. Esa es la idea!!! Te sorprenderás de los beneficios!!
Ahora el POR QUE de todo esto:
De 200 enviados (entre newsgroups y e-mails), digamos que siempre
recibo sólo 5 respuestas (bajísimo ejemplo). Entonces hice U.S.D. $5
con mi nombre en la posición nº 6 de esta carta. Ahora, cada una de
las 5 personas que ya me enviaron U.S.D. $1 también hacen un mínimo
de 200 newsgroups y e-mails, cada uno con mi nombre en el nº 5 de la
lista y sólo responden 5 personas a cada uno de los 5 originales,
esto
hace U$S 25 más que yo recibo, ahora estas 25 personas ponen un
mínimo de 200 Newsgroups y e-mails con mi nombre en el nº 4 y sólo
se reciben 5 respuestas de cada uno.
Estaría haciendo otros U$S 125 adicionales.
Ahora estas 125 personas ponen sus 200 newsgroups y e-mails con mi
nombre en el nº 3 y sólo reciben 5 respuestas cada una, yo recibo un
adicional de U$S 625.
OK, aquí está la parte más divertida: cada una
de estas 625 personas ponen sus cartas en otros 200 newsgroups y
e-mails con mi nombre en el nº 2 y cada una recibe sólo 5 respuestas,
esto hace que yo reciba U$S 3125!!!.
Estas 3125 personas enviarán este mensaje a un mínimo de 200
newsgroups y e-mails con mi nombre en el nº 1 y si solo 5 personas
responden de los 200 newsgroups y e-mails mandados por cada uno de
los
3125, estaré recibiendo U$S 15625!!!
De una inversión original de U$S 6!! más estampillas. FABULOSO!
Y como dije antes, que solo 5 personas respondan es muy poco, el
promedio real sería de 20 ó 30 personas!. Así que pongamos un
número más grande para calcular.
Supongamos que solo 15 personas responden, esto hace:
En la nº 6------ U.S.D. $15
En la nº 5------ U.S.D. $225
En la nº 4------ U.S.D. $3375
En la nº 3------ U.S.D. $50625
En la nº 2------ U.S.D. $759375
En la nº 1------ U.S.D. $11.390.625 sí, más de ONCE MILLONES DE
DÓLARES!!!.
Tomé esta lista que acababa de modificar y la RE- PUBLIQUE EN TODOS
LOS NEWSGROUPS Y BBS LOCALES QUE CONOCIA y esperé que el dinero
empezara a llegarme, preparado para recibir entre U.S.D. $1.000 y
U.S.D. $1.500 en efectivo.
Pero qué agradable sorpresa cuando todos esos sobres empezaron a
llegarme!!!. Supe enseguida de qué se trataban cuando vi que las
direcciones de retorno provenían de todas partes del mundo, la
mayoría de Estados Unidos, Canadá y Australia!
En mi primera semana hice unos U.S.D. $20 a 30 dólares. Para el final
de la segunda semana tenía hecho un total de más de U.S.D. $
1000!!!!!
En la tercera semana recibí más de U.S.D. $10000 y todavía
seguía llegando más. No lo podía creer!!!
Tienes que seguirlo y re-publicarlo donde te sea posible, cuanto más
se publique y más gente lo vea, habrá más posibilidades para todos
de ganar más dinero, esto determinará cuánto te llegará por
correo!!!.
COMO MANEJAR LOS "NEWSGROUPS"
Nº.1> no necesitas redactar de nuevo toda esta carta para hacer la
tuya propia. Solamente pone el cursor al comienzo de esta carta, haga
click, lo dejas presionado, bájalo hasta el final de la carta y
lárgalo. Toda la carta deberá estar "sombreada". Entonces haga click
en "Edit" (Editar) arriba de su pantalla, aquí seleccione "Copy"
(Copiar). Esto hará que toda la carta quede en la memoria de su pc.
Nº.2> Abra una nueva página en blanco y lleve el cursor al inicio.
Presione "Edit" y del menú seleccione "Paste" (Pegar). Ahora tendrá
esta carta en el "notepad" y podrá agregar su nombre y dirección en
el lugar nº 6 siguiendo las instrucciones de más arriba.
Nº.3> Grabe esta carta en su nuevo archivo del notepad como un
Archivo
de Texto. Y cada vez que quiera cambiar algo lo podrá hacer.
PARA LOS QUE USAN NETSCAPE
Nº.4> Dentro del programa Netscape, vaya a "Communicator" y
seleccione
"Grupo de noticias", luego vaya a "Archivo" y seleccionar
"Suscribir".
En segundos una lista de todos los "Newsgroups" de su "server"
aparecerá. Haga click en cualquier newsgroup. De este newsgroup haga
click debajo de "TO NEWS", el cual debería estar arriba, en el
extremo
izquierdo de la página newsgroups. Esto le llevará a la caja de
mensajes.
Nº.5> Llene este espacio. Este será el título que verán todos
cuando recorran por la lista de un grupo en particular.
Nº.6> Marque el contenido completo del archivo y copie usando la
misma
"NEWS" y Ud. está creando y pegando esta carta dentro de su programa
o
"posting". Nº.7> Presione "send" que está en la parte superior
izquierda. Y UD. HA FINALIZADO CON SU PRIMER NEWS!...
FELICITACIONES!!!

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TOPIC: Debt solutions
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2e3e187d96f38fdc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:11 pm
From: Snowbound

In article <D3Qnj.1093$R84.219@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Margie wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 3:32?pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> Margie wrote:
> >>> I recently found a course on practical debt solutions. It was very
> >>> good. ?As christians, we believe too much in the super and not enough
> >>> in the natural. God's word always speaks to us with the purpose of us
> >>> acting on that word He gave us. So although we are to give ?- be it
> >>> our finances or time or whatever we are called to give - ?we need to
> >>> be smart in how we do that. This course I found states how we should
> >>> budget our giving. Not just give it on emotion and not planned. ?It
> >>> does say in the bible how we should NOT give with compulsion but to be
> >>> ready to give. Well any way I thought these audios were worth sharing
> >>> with you.
> >> ? And in the spirit of Christian charity you take all major credit cards
> >> thereby adding $37 to your followers debt load.
> >
> > I am not getting the $37.00. I am just sharing where you can get the
> > information.
> Oh,so you passing along the information on a Christian group that
> adds $37 to your debt to tell you how to get out of debt.

Well, if it's christian, it must be good. You know, like if they say it
on TV, it must be true.

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TOPIC: Some TV Converter box coupon program questions
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:12 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 29, 8:59 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >> Some questions abt the coupons one can get for
> >> converter boxes:
>
> >> 1. Can it be used towards a new digital TV or DVD
> >> recorder to be used as a "converter"?
>
> > No.
>
> >> 2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
> >> allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
> >> input... no direct inputs?
>
> > Little reason to as cable is mandated to retain standard TV for
> > another couple years. Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
> > weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>
> > I'd wait to see the products before you apply for a coupon.
>
> If for no other reason than that the coupons expire after 90 days.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Any idea why they expire after 90 days?

TMT

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:13 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 29, 2:39 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> m...@privacy.net wrote:
> > Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
> >> Little reason to as cable is mandated to retain standard TV for
> >> another couple years. Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
> >> weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>
> > I don't have cable and will only have off air
> > reception.
>
> Sorry, I misread the question. Apparently the converters will feed
> your coax input.
>
>
>
> >> Or, you can do what I did and buy a receiver to watch HDTV on your
> >> computer, mine was $9 after rebate.
>
> Google up ATSC receiver PC. I got a Volar, there's others around. Your
> PC will need to meet certain requirements to run HDTV although it may do
> fine for regular DTV. Mine is the size of a USB memory stick.
>
> But why don't you check your reception first, you may need to get a
> UHF antenna (most but not all transmissions are UHF).
>
> <URL:http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx>
>
> Where I'm at, I get a dozen stations on one half of the house (with a
> 4" mini whip) and 4 on the other side. UHF is easily blocked.
>
> I would really really wait. There will be more converters out later
> (I don't know of any at reasonable cost now) and they will be better and
> cheaper. It's costly being at the leading edge.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> > Have a link to it?
>
> > Thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I expect them to be offered free to the public.

The advertisers do not wish to lose their buying
sheeple...err...public.

TMT

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:33 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:59 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
>>> weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>>> I'd wait to see the products before you apply for a coupon.
>
>> If for no other reason than that the coupons expire after 90 days.
>
> Any idea why they expire after 90 days?

My *guess* is that because the government is only giving out a limited
number, and they want to make sure they will go to people who will use
them, rather than having people not able to get them because other
people got there first but then didn't use theirs. So after 90 days, it
your (presumably numbered) coupons haven't been turned back in to the
government by a retailer, they can re-issue them to someone else.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 7:58 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 8:59 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> Last I looked, and that was few weeks ago, there
>>>> weren't *any* converter boxes available.
>>>> I'd wait to see the products before you apply for a coupon.
> >
>>> If for no other reason than that the coupons expire after 90 days.
>>
>> Any idea why they expire after 90 days?
>
> My *guess* is that because the government is only giving out a limited
> number, and they want to make sure they will go to people who will use
> them, rather than having people not able to get them because other
> people got there first but then didn't use theirs.

Another guess is that the intention is just to get people motivated
to make the transition before the last minute. If you make the
coupons expire, people will have to get off their butts and go out
and buy the converter box, which means the stores will be somewhat
less swamped during the week before the switchover.

- Logan

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 8:03 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> I expect them to be offered free to the public.
>
> The advertisers do not wish to lose their buying
> sheeple...err...public.

Could happen. I saw a quote one time about television
advertising that was attributed to Noam Chomsky (but might
very well have been said by somebody else), which goes
basically, "Television exists to sell a product to a customer.
The product is the viewer, and the customer is the advertiser."

So, of course the TV stations/networks won't want you to stop
watching; after all, you are (or more precisely, your time is)
the product they're selling, and if they run low on the supply
of what they're selling, they can't make money.

- Logan

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 9:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Too_Many_Tools wrote

>> I expect them to be offered free to the public.

>> The advertisers do not wish to lose their buying sheeple...err...public.

> Could happen.

Nope. You never saw them handing out free TVs.

> I saw a quote one time about television advertising that was attributed to Noam Chomsky (but might very well have been
> said by somebody else), which goes basically, "Television exists to sell a product to a customer.

Odd that some countrys chose to have just govt TV.

> The product is the viewer, and the customer is the advertiser."

Mindless silly stuff, most obviously with doco.

> So, of course the TV stations/networks won't want you to stop
> watching; after all, you are (or more precisely, your time is)
> the product they're selling, and if they run low on the supply
> of what they're selling, they can't make money.

And they realise that few will choose to do without any TV too.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:10 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <43oup35mqjqgv4uqs1j4f5fbo2kc1l184p@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID) wrote:
>
>>>2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
>>>allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
>>>input... no direct inputs?
>>
>>Yes.
>>Coupon program mandates that the converter output on ch3/4.
>
>OK cool!!
>
>Now I wonder if those converter boxes will have any
>inputs for other devices such as DVD recorders and
>such?

Didn't see a specific mention, but doesn't look like such a device would
qualify. Not that no one will make such a box (or one with HDMI or
component outputs, for example), just that it won't qualify for the
coupon.
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/DTVmanufacturers.pdf

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:46 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote

>>> I expect them to be offered free to the public.
>>> The advertisers do not wish to lose their buying sheeple...err...public.

>> Could happen.

> Nope. You never saw them handing out free TVs.

We've also never (at least in the US) seen a switchover of this
kind and magnitude. I actually don't think it's likely; I'm just
not ruling it out.

>> I saw a quote one time about television advertising that was attributed to Noam Chomsky (but might very well have been
>> said by somebody else), which goes basically, "Television exists to sell a product to a customer.
>
> Odd that some countrys chose to have just govt TV.

Not that odd. It's just two different ways of doing it, both
perfectly reasonable and both successful. One of them just wasn't
mentioned in the quote because it's clear from context which is
being referred to.

- Logan

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:48 pm
From: Logan Shaw

me@privacy.net wrote:
> no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID) wrote:
>
>>> 2. Will the converter boxes have RF modulators in them
>>> allowing use of old analog TV's with ONLY a coax
>>> input... no direct inputs?
>> Yes.
>> Coupon program mandates that the converter output on ch3/4.
>
> OK cool!!
>
> Now I wonder if those converter boxes will have any
> inputs for other devices such as DVD recorders and
> such?

Why would HD tuner need an input for a DVD recorder?
Its whole purpose in life is to convert HD signals into
other formats. Maybe you're talking about *outputs*?

- Logan

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> Too_Many_Tools wrote

>>>> I expect them to be offered free to the public.
>>>> The advertisers do not wish to lose their buying
>>>> sheeple...err...public.

>>> Could happen.

>> Nope. You never saw them handing out free TVs.

> We've also never (at least in the US) seen a switchover of this kind and magnitude.

Plenty of other countrys have.

> I actually don't think it's likely; I'm just not ruling it out.

It aint gunna happen, you watch.

>>> I saw a quote one time about television advertising that was attributed to Noam Chomsky (but might very well have
>>> been said by somebody else), which goes basically, "Television exists to sell a product to a customer.

>> Odd that some countrys chose to have just govt TV.

> Not that odd.

It does blow a damned great hole in that fool's claim.

> It's just two different ways of doing it, both perfectly reasonable and both successful.

It never was anything like that fool claimed in the US.

> One of them just wasn't mentioned in the quote because it's clear from context which is being referred to.

It was always mindless silly stuff.

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== 2 of 2 ==
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