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TOPIC: Cellphone battery life
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 12:18 am
From: Jeff

Terry Terry wrote:
> On Jan 18, 4:19 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>> Terry Terry wrote:
>>> On Jan 17, 5:13 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>>> Terry Terry wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 17, 1:02 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Terry Terry wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 5:28 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Terry Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have a Tracfone. I bought it for emergencies a month ago. The
>>>>>>>>> instructions say that the phone will withstand temperatures to -10C
>>>>>>>>> and will hold a charge for 10 days.
>>>>>>>>> They lie.
>>>>>>>>> Because I only use my phone for emergencies, I left my phone in my car
>>>>>>>>> for two nights. The temperature came near freezing, but did not drop
>>>>>>>>> to freezing.
>>>>>>>>> The phone battery died.
>>>>>>>>> I took it back. The girl at the counter said that all phones are like
>>>>>>>>> that. Don't leave the phone in the car. Is she telling the truth or
>>>>>>>>> should I insist on another phone?
>>>>>>>> Maybe the battery was bad or not fully charged. Since you only use it
>>>>>>>> for emergencies, presumably outgoing calls, why not remove or
>>>>>>>> disconnect the battery when not in use. It should keep it's charge for
>>>>>>>> weeks or months. I have a couple in a drawer here and I charge them
>>>>>>>> every 2-3 months, but they are still plenty live enough to make a call
>>>>>>>> even then. I am speaking about lithium-ion batteries. NI-CAD or NMH
>>>>>>>> won't hold a charge as long as they have a shorter shelf life.
>>>>>>> How would taking out the battery extend its life?
>>>>>> At least turn the phone off. But even with the phone off it is still
>>>>>> drawing some power, that switch is a software switch not a hardware
>>>>>> switch like your home light switches.
>>>>>>> I am thinking that the battery is bad and I should be able to exchange
>>>>>>> it for another phone. I had that in mind when I returned it to the
>>>>>>> store, but the girl at the counter said that was typical operation.
>>>>>> I'm thinking you did this awkwardly by starting a complaint about the
>>>>>> phone, hence putting the counter girl in confrontation mode.
>>>>>> It's always easier if you ask people to help you. Just tell her the
>>>>>> phone died and you don't know why, what can we do about it. Don't go
>>>>>> into why can't it stand the cold, don't even mention that.
>>>>>> I have similar problems when my girlfriend tries to take something
>>>>>> back, she complains and they refuse. Now she gets me to do it and there
>>>>>> are no problems. People will go out of their way to help if they want
>>>>>> to, otherwise you are by the book.
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> I don't think that is what happened. I have started shopping at Radio
>>>>> Shack again. I quit for shopping there for a very long time because I
>>>>> bought my first IBM compatible machine there. Anyway.....I know the
>>>>> salesperson.
>>>>> I could have insisted for an exchange and got one. I wasn't
>>>>> complaining. I just told her what happened. I also think she told
>>>>> the truth to me when she said that if I got another one it would do
>>>>> the same thing.
>>>> I'm confused. It sounded to me that the battery died and that was it.
>>>> Has the battery recharged?
>>>> All batteries have much less capacity at lower temperatures. It's a
>>>> chemical reaction and it's temperature dependant. That's why they rate
>>>> car batteries in cold cranking amps.
>>>> If the battery is dead, dead, dead, get a new one. If it just needed
>>>> to be recharged or warmed up, then that's normal.
>>>> Jeff
>>>>> I just wanted to hear from other cell phone users that may treat their
>>>>> phones the same way. I want to leave my phone in my car when I am
>>>>> away from home and not have it in my pocket. I know most people keep
>>>>> their phone handy even if they don't plan to get any calls. I know I
>>>>> will not be getting any calls, because I haven't given out my phone
>>>>> number. I don't consider being out of bread an emergency.
>>>>> The only thing I care to spend a dollar a min to call would be 911 or
>>>>> a tow truck.
>>> No it is not dead. It charged backup fine.
>>> The instructions lead me to believe I could leave the phone in the car
>>> for 10 days at 10C.
>>> I take if from other replies that this is not the intended use for the
>>> phone.
>> Why don't you invest in a car charger or one of those emergency
>> cellphone batteries? Nothing wrong with keeping the phone charged up in
>> the car. It is possible to let a LiIon battery become so discharged that
>> it won't recharge. In general batteries last longer if they are kept up.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Yeah, that is a good idea. Even in the worst case scenario I would
> think a car battery would have enough charge to make a phone call.

A weak car battery will certainly run a cell phone. But there are other
things that *could* happen that might keep you from getting any voltage.
Other trouble scenarios are more likely, but disconnected battery
cables and blown fuses happen. Just so you know. Actually
bad battery connections are fairly common, though usually they give
enough power to run accessories.

Jeff

>
> I could let the phone battery die and still be able to use the adapter
> in the car to make a phone call.

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TOPIC: Want to buy mobile Phones for Children
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Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 12:21 am
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TOPIC: Resurgence of telemarketers and telephishers
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 12:47 am
From: Logan Shaw

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> I will concede that if they are asking for your money, they should tell
> you who you are paying. But lots of people carrying the label
> "telemarketer" are only people opening a door, appointment setting,
> trying to collect names of people who are interested, etc., and those
> people might be working for a telemarketing service and not actually
> know who the end-user business is.

Well, then the people who own that business are incompetent, because
they have not trained their employees to be able to answer one of the
most obvious questions in a satisfactory answer. It would probably
be better for everyone if that business failed. I'm not a believer in
the idea that the free market *always* makes everything work out for
the best, but in a case like this where a business can't do the bare
minimum, I think it should lose out to other businesses which can.

- Logan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:33 am
From: sfgeorge@paccbell.net

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
>>
>> These con artists not only ignore local and national DNC registries,
>> but they also violate state and local laws prohibiting "the use of
>> automatic telephone dialing devices for the purpose of selling goods
>> or services."
>
> There are no regulations controlling what happens when you cross state
> or national boundaries, are there? Up until at least 5 years ago, the
> laws said what businesses inside the state could do inside the state,
> not what businesses outside the state could do when calling other
> states. And companies who use Skype and the like and call from other
> countries aren't legally bound by those rules, are they?

The federal Do Not Call law applies nationwide. There has already been
at least one conviction of a US company that outsourced calls to another
country. If the calls are made overseas by an overseas company on their
own the US is powerless.

>> First you want to blame the education system for their lack of skills
>> and ambition; then you rant about illegals taking jobs; now you want
>> to justify their complicity by claiming they're not actually dialing
>> the number, they're using illegal technology to make the connection.
>> What's next? Are you somehow going to connect the Bush administration
>> or the war in Iraq to this?
>
> I am not justifying anything. If you thought this was an argument, then
> I apologize and am bowing out. I was just discussing economic factors
> that contribute to the problem except when it comes to people who feel
> it is appropriate to abuse others. Even if someone else has abused you,
> it's incredibly foolish to stoop to their level.
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:01 am
From: Logan Shaw

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Melinda Meahan <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
>>
>>> I have known people who were in desperate circumstances and had very
>>> few work options
>>
>> Then they were stupid enough to get into that particular situation in
>> the first place.
>
> Well, if you are hateful and have no compassion for other people, there
> is no point in trying to explain this to you.

There is a difference between compassion and indulgence. Where to draw
the line is often a judgment call, but I'd personally say that if someone
is knowingly and frequently doing something immoral (doesn't have to be
illegal) as part of their job, that's on the wrong side of the line. In
such a case, it doesn't do anyone any good for people to put up with it;
it just encourages people to do more stuff like that, which is bad for
the victims (in this case the people who are being called despite having
clearly said they don't want to be) *and* bad for the people who are doing
it since they are being sent the message that doing immoral stuff and/or
breaking the law is a viable option that they may be able to make work
for themselves.

>> No one starves in the US today.
>
> Oh, yes, they do.

I've heard both points of view on this one, but I've never seen any
evidence that anyone need starve. There is plenty of food, and if
you can't buy it yourself, there are lots of organizations that will
give it to you. I know that at least in the town where I live, if
you are desperate for food, all you need do is go to the city and
tell them, and they will give you what amounts to an emergency gift
card to use at a local grocery store to buy a few days worth of food
while they do the paperwork to figure out whether to give you more
money.

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 5:54 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:46 am
From: qwest602000

On Jan 18, 1:20 pm, Bob Ward <bobw...@email.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:14:10 -0800 (PST), Terry Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> >On Jan 17, 5:26 pm, Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 16, 12:20 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Here are 14 reasons why the US has to cut benefits to senior citizens.
> >> > > "Snopes" is provided for any doubters. I hope the following reasons are
> >> > > forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the
> >> > > reader gets sick of reading them.
>
> >> Sigh...
>
> >> How to lie with statistics 101- make sure to include all negatives (/
> >> positives) of the policy you don't (/do) like and lowball or ignore
> >> any positives (/negatives).
>
> >> Here we have a great many negatives of illegals, no corresponding data
> >> on legal immigrants for comparison (on a per capita basis it's pretty
> >> obvious that illegals will cost less than legals as they will be
> >> afraid to seek some services for fear of deportation), and an utter
> >> lack or any mention of positives the illegals provide the country,
> >> like cheap labor and lower prices.
>
> >> Please, if you want to discuss government policy do it honestly.
>
> >They have paid for none of the services.
>
> >My father and his father paid for the roads and the courthouses.
>
> >My father and his father were asked to give their lives for this
> >country
>
> Many undocumented workers (without a SSSN) are paying money into the
> system that they will never be able to recover, since they are using a
> forged or stolen SSN. How is that not paying taxes? When an
> undocumented worker purchases a refrigerator, furniture, clothing,
> etc, he or she pays sales tax just like you or I would. In what way
> is that not paying taxes?
>
> Some immigrants are offered the opportunity to serve this country and
> eventually get the necessary papers to remain here after they have
> served in the military.
>
> How far do you intend to ride on the coattails of your father and his
> father? If you haven't stepped up to the plate and offered to give
> YOUR life for this country, where on earth do you get the balls to
> criticize others?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

hey idiot
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:56 am
From: not a joke

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 7:09 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:02 am
From: bagitup

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As a teacher, I try to recycle on a daily basis and teach my students
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Thanks, Neko

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:13 am
From: Modern Light

I want to replace the light over my dining room table. I've identified a
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the item and they all want a lot more for the thing than what I would pay
online.

What I'm most afraid of is breakage in transit via UPS. I was thinking of
buying from LightingUniverse. Unfortunately some of their reviews at
ResellerRatings and epinions were scary. Other vendors are father away,
have higher prices, play games like advertising a MSRP that's higher than
the manufacturer's price, and several seem to be run by the same company,
just different website names. So now I'm wondering if maybe I should bag
the buying online. Has anybody ever purchased a lighting fixture online?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:23 am
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop

DARPA does memetic searches:

Also known as the U.S. domestic spy system. I have no doubt this was
built by Retired Vice-Admiral Poindexter, who before that built the
telephone spy systems for the U.S. intelligence communities...
Poindexter was appointed by Bush on Sept. 12th (the day after 9-11) to
head up a cyber security defense system and where I came in as a
clueless coder.

I was a programmer that helped a computer scientist finish the Russian
Mind Model that he gleaned from a Russian that came to America after
Glasnost knocked down the Cold War "Info Wars" program that Russia was
doing.

The U.S. (at least) now has a system that uses emergent computing (I
assume) driven by a myriad of random selections over a gargantuan data
log of relational information. Randomness avoids impressing artificial
patterns, and enable fractal patterns to emerge that represent the
implicit artifact of knowledge inherint within our knowledge streams.
Just like cows make paths, humans make dynamic regularity in their
communication continuums, or corpi, or whatever. The Russian system,
or one like it, enables these patterns to be found, even though they
are previously unkown. This domestic spy system (world wide actually)
was spying on all of us --our patterns of communication (and is yet? --
the project went black ops after the public outcry against the TIA
during the war, later seen as the embarrasment of the Bushies, but not
at all stopped --it's top secret and ongoing).

So what are the spooks looking for in our knowledge streams?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:01 am
From: kaki

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:05 am
From: Logan Shaw

soundhaspriority wrote:
> "chasblackman@gmail.com" <chasblackman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How do I know if I have too much weight pushing the needle down?
>
> The record stops turning, dickbrain.
>
> Sheesh, get out of the groups for us pros!

You're a professional at living frugally? I can only assume
that's what you meant since you cross-posted this to
misc.consumers.frugal-living.

- Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:49 am
From: "Richard Crowley"

"Logan Shaw" wrote...
> Brian L. McCarty pretending to be "soundhaspriority" wrote:
>> The record stops turning, dickbrain.
>> Sheesh, get out of the groups for us pros!
>
> You're a professional at living frugally? I can only assume
> that's what you meant since you cross-posted this to
> misc.consumers.frugal-living.

"he" is Brian L. McCarty, a notorious usenet impostor,
troll, and pest. He cross-posts to random newsgroups.
Ignore the troll and get on with your life.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:25 am
From: Logan Shaw

timeOday wrote:
> I just find this "economic stimulus plan" absurd, since it's the same
> policy (namely, deficit spending) that caused the problem in the first
> place.

In my view, what caused the problem in the first place is a technology
boom during the 1990's, which led to speculation and greed driving up
the price of tech stocks and the entire stock market by record amounts
for the greater part of a decade, finally followed by a huge crash
(exacerbated by 9/11, although that happened quite some time *after*
the stocks started falling), which in turn caused the government to
have to take some kind of action to juice the economy, which turned out
to be lowering interest rates, which in turn stimulated the economy
nicely but stimulated the housing market too much, which caused another
boom, this time in mortgages, which once again turned into speculation
and greed, which will now turn into who-knows-what[1].

Basically, the lesson I see in it is that any time there is a lot of
opportunity in an area (such as internet startups or mortgages), there
will be people who legitimate take advantage of that opportunity and
do something constructive, and there will also be a bunch of people
who gamble, speculate, and cheat, hoping to make a bunch of money off
the opportunity. These people do this because it actually works for
them a certain percentage of the time. It's like going to Las Vegas,
except that the odds are slightly in the gambler's favor, unlike in
Vegas where they're slightly in the house's favor. And so a lot of
people get involved in it, a lot of them win, some of them lose, and
when the odds finally shift to the house's favor, word gets out, the
party ends overnight, everyone goes home, and cable televisions
stations continue to show "Flip This House" even though for some
reason all the episodes are repeats now.

- Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:25 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:55:48 -0500, Napoleon <anarch@666yes.net>
wrote:

>Enlighten me. How is a tax rebate check of the 300 dollars going to
>stimulate the economy out of a recession? Since when have Americans no
>longer been considered "citizens" and are now just consumers?

Trickle-up economics. Take money from the government, which gets it
either through taxes or inflation, then give it back to the poor.
They then immediately go out and buy the newest electronic gadget
game, or a new digital tv, and the businesses get to report record
earnings. That pleases the stockholders and puts money into the hands
of the already rich, and voila! the "economy" is saved for the short
term, at least until the day after elections.

The inconvenient truth is that unless serious changes are made to
minimum wage and the supply of nearly free undocumented labor is dried
up, the lower and middle class of citizens will get poorer and have to
work more, while the top cats will just switch their investments out
of the country or at least out of the companies affected, thus
retaining wealth.

There is no question that inflation works to the advantage of
government. If a dollar today is worth fifty cents next year, and the
cost of the war in Iraq is largely in the past, the payments made to
contractors who signed fixed price contractors are effectively cut in
half. A lower value for the dollar encourages foreign investment
here, and slows the drain through U.S. citizens traveling abroad, etc.
etc. The whole dynamics of the process allows wages to increase
without increasing in real value, which then allows politicians to
claim that in the face of unreasonably high executive salaries, they
are fighting valiantly for a living minimum wage law, pass such a bill
by a narrow margin with great moaning, and still have the worker
earning less real money than before. Mom-n-pop businesses might go
bankrupt, but they have no serious clout in Washington anyway. No
senator is going to retire to be on the board of directors for Joe's
Taco's r Us.

The worst of it is that, if the consumer does have savings, continuing
to hold on to them may not be the best course of action. If inflation
tops 10% (it was close to 6% last year in south Florida), then solid
investments can't keep up. It could be better for some people to buy
hard goods that will last for a few years by taking advantage of the
zero percent interest deals - provided the money to pay for the items
is in an interest bearing account for that time. That way the
consumer can leverage the lower current prices for items against the
later inflated price, and earn some interest on top of that. Of
course, this doesn't work if the consumer doesn't have the money to
pay off the item near the end of the zero interest period.

Or, the consumer could really get affairs in order by finding a
sustainable existence that is less affected by inflation or a downturn
in the economy. The Mormon idea of investing in a year's supply of
basic necessities to have in reserve, isn't a bad idea right now,
either. Of course, if you can't pay the mortgage and don't have a
place for storage, that won't work, either.

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