Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 16 topics

Monday, January 14, 2008

25 new messages in 16 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Home envy and pride
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 8:20 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

The other home show I watched last night was on some couples "moving
up," with couple A selling their old home to couple B who then sold
their old home to couple C. Each couple hated the decorating of the
previous owners, even though those owners had spent a lot of effort
and money making their homes into what they thought were showcases.

I guess that the snarky comments and snide remarks about bad taste
were good television for this era of viewers. However, they were at
the same time juvenile and happened to reinforce my thoughts that
building and decorating a home to impress other people makes as much
sense as gilding a barn. Unless you find a cow that appreciates gold
colored beams, you are wasting your efforts.

IMO, having a home that is comfortable and meets the needs of the
occupants is a much saner approach to decorating than spending money
trying to impress guests that may be in the home for a few hours a
year. Skimping on decorator frou frou can be a good way to save money
and time spent cleaning.

Harry, constantly amazed at how callous people can be in judging
others sensibilities.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 9:16 am
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:20:41 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>The other home show I watched last night was on some couples "moving
>up," with couple A selling their old home to couple B who then sold
>their old home to couple C. Each couple hated the decorating of the
>previous owners, even though those owners had spent a lot of effort
>and money making their homes into what they thought were showcases.
>
>I guess that the snarky comments and snide remarks about bad taste
>were good television for this era of viewers. However, they were at
>the same time juvenile and happened to reinforce my thoughts that
>building and decorating a home to impress other people makes as much
>sense as gilding a barn. Unless you find a cow that appreciates gold
>colored beams, you are wasting your efforts.
>
>IMO, having a home that is comfortable and meets the needs of the
>occupants is a much saner approach to decorating than spending money
>trying to impress guests that may be in the home for a few hours a
>year. Skimping on decorator frou frou can be a good way to save money
>and time spent cleaning.
>
>Harry, constantly amazed at how callous people can be in judging
>others sensibilities.

It's just lame from my view. Simple materialism.
If your guests require much more than good food, drink and
conversation, don't invite them over.

--Vic

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TOPIC: temporary health insurance for a recent graduate
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 9:10 am
From: Goomba38

Shawn Hirn wrote:

> I thought auto accidents are covered by auto insurance for treatment of
> any injuries. In NJ where I live, you can get a break on the price of an
> auto policy if you can prove that your medical insurance will cover
> injuries sustained in an auto accident. When I called my medical
> insurance prover to ask about this, they gave me a big run around about
> just answering my questions and when I called my auto insurance
> provider, they said to call my medical insurance provider. Sigh.

I believe if you are at fault, your own insurance will pay for the
medical needs of the other party, but not necessarily your own?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 9:17 am
From: Goomba38

Napoleon wrote:

> Health insurance has absolutely nothing to do with health care. Health
> insurance is the most UNFRUGAL way to manage one's health. Better to
> go without insurance than waste your money on that scam. An insurance
> company WILL ALWAYS find a way to not pay out on ANY health claim.
> That's the job of insurance.
>
> You want good health coverage? The only way to get it is UNIVERSAL
> COVERAGE provided by the goverment. That's it.
>
> -N

And how will you then explain to Granny that her universal coverage
won't provide her with dialysis because she's too old after 60 or so
years (as happens in countries with nationalized medicine) and what
about those long waits for joint replacements? How do we handle that?
What incentive does nationalized medicine give to doctors to excell
beyond the bare minimum? Will we pay for that gender reassignment
surgery because the man (who wants to be a woman) says they must have it
for pyschological reasons? Do we want to pay for self destructive
behaviors and how far should that go? Do I want to be assigned a doctor
who then acts as gatekeeper to my access to specialists? That's what
happens with universal coverage, of course.
It is very easy to spout off the universal coverage is the answer, yet I
don't see many suggestions or ideas on how to make it work.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 9:51 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Goomba38 <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote:
> Napoleon wrote:
>
>> Health insurance has absolutely nothing to do with health care.
>> Health insurance is the most UNFRUGAL way to manage one's health.
>> Better to go without insurance than waste your money on that scam.
>> An insurance company WILL ALWAYS find a way to not pay out on ANY
>> health claim. That's the job of insurance.
>>
>> You want good health coverage? The only way to get it is UNIVERSAL
>> COVERAGE provided by the goverment. That's it.
>>
>> -N
>
> And how will you then explain to Granny that her universal coverage
> won't provide her with dialysis because she's too old after 60 or so
> years (as happens in countries with nationalized medicine)

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> and what about those long waits for joint replacements?

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. My next door neighbour just
got one and the only wait was him having the balls to get it done.

> How do we handle that?

Nothing to 'handle'

> What incentive does nationalized medicine give to doctors to excell beyond the bare minimum?

The same incentive that doctors currently get with the current
nationalised medicine seen in the US, for politicians most obviously.

> Will we pay for that gender reassignment surgery because the man (who wants to be a woman) says they must have it for
> pyschological reasons?

Even the worst of the european systems dont
pay for stuff like that, or cosmetic stuff either.

> Do we want to pay for self destructive behaviors

You currently do, and no nationalized system has changed that.

> and how far should that go?

You get treatment for even attempted suicide that is stuffed up.

Just like you do with the current system.

> Do I want to be assigned a doctor who then acts as gatekeeper to my access to specialists?
> That's what happens with universal coverage, of course.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> It is very easy to spout off the universal coverage is the answer,
> yet I don't see many suggestions or ideas on how to make it work.

Dont see any suggestions or ideas from you on how to make the insurance system work either.

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TOPIC: Why do people stay in overpriced real estate markets?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 9:16 am
From: "Rod Speed"

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> I don't normally watch the home shows on tv anymore, but happened to
> watch a couple of them last night. One compared homes in Maui HI,
> Dallas TX, and San Fransisco CA.
>
> I know that circumstances dictate a lot of where people live, and some
> folks just can't live without a fix of seashore, mountains, big city
> life, etc., but surely not everyone is this way?
>
> A grad student and his wife were buying a $500K small condo near San
> Fransisco. How the f^&* are they going to pay the almost $2K mortgage
> payments and still have money for food, taxes, clothing, and
> everything else?
>
> $250K in Maui doesn't even get a person into the market. A million
> dollar home is a "starter" home.
>
> The only place that seemed anywhere near reasonable was Dallas, where
> a three million dollar home was a palace, and even the low end homes
> seemed nice.
>
> After watching this program and thinking about the mortgage "crisis,"
> I've come to a conclusion that it isn't a crisis at all, but a case
> where real estate costs in some areas are grossly out of proportion to
> incomes, and people have continued to buy-in to these markets.
>
> If a relative or friend of mine wanted to buy an 800 square foot condo
> in any area for $500K to a million, I'd be telling them "Here's yer sign!"
>
> What kind of shortsightedness has overtaken these millions of people?
> I think of the amounts of interest being paid, the taxes, the
> insurance, the riskiness of such over-the-top investments, and I shake
> my head in disbelief. Perhaps the mantra of real estate should be
> changed from location, location, location to stupidity, stupidity, stupidity.

> It isn't that we have a housing and mortgage crisis that occurred out
> of thin air, we have had a fever of speculation that is finally breaking.

Bet it isnt 'breaking' in the sense that that will stop any century soon.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:34 am
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 14, 8:03 am, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I don't normally watch the home shows on tv anymore, but happened to
> watch a couple of them last night. One compared homes in Maui HI,
> Dallas TX, and San Fransisco CA.
>
> I know that circumstances dictate a lot of where people live, and some
> folks just can't live without a fix of seashore, mountains, big city
> life, etc., but surely not everyone is this way?
>
> A grad student and his wife were buying a $500K small condo near San
> Fransisco. How the f^&* are they going to pay the almost $2K mortgage
> payments and still have money for food, taxes, clothing, and
> everything else?
>
> $250K in Maui doesn't even get a person into the market. A million
> dollar home is a "starter" home.
>
> The only place that seemed anywhere near reasonable was Dallas, where
> a three million dollar home was a palace, and even the low end homes
> seemed nice.
>
> After watching this program and thinking about the mortgage "crisis,"
> I've come to a conclusion that it isn't a crisis at all, but a case
> where real estate costs in some areas are grossly out of proportion to
> incomes, and people have continued to buy-in to these markets.
>
> If a relative or friend of mine wanted to buy an 800 square foot condo
> in any area for $500K to a million, I'd be telling them "Here's yer
> sign!"
>
> What kind of shortsightedness has overtaken these millions of people?
> I think of the amounts of interest being paid, the taxes, the
> insurance, the riskiness of such over-the-top investments, and I shake
> my head in disbelief. Perhaps the mantra of real estate should be
> changed from location, location, location to stupidity, stupidity,
> stupidity.
>
> It isn't that we have a housing and mortgage crisis that occurred out
> of thin air, we have had a fever of speculation that is finally
> breaking.

Actually pay does tend to go up in areas that have higher cost of
living. Additionally many of the people who live in SF may work in
the tech sector of Santa Clara or San Jose so the pay is decent. But
I agree that sometimes it's ridiculous what price some people will pay
to live in a "location". I remember seeing a 2 bedroom "bungalow"
listed in San Jose for 1M...same one here in Sacramento would have
been about 100K...max.

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TOPIC: att: Shawn Hirn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:10 am
From: val189

Curious to know what decision you've reached on buying a house jointly
with parents? Tried to find your original post, but it's been
camouflaged by all the @$#% spam.

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TOPIC: Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla or Mazda, which is best????
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:11 am
From: me@privacy.net

Can anyone recommend good maintenance software for a
car that will alert you to maint items needing done at
user specified intervals?

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TOPIC: loveliness Handbags
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:31 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Fendi Handbags ,Chloe Handbags,Prada Handbags
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:37 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Chloe Handbags,Prada Handbags ,Coach Handbags ,Chanel Handbags ,Miu Miu
Handbags
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 10:40 am
From: lky521896@gmail.com

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TOPIC: New Idea
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 11:32 am
From: crystalung@gmail.com

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TOPIC: do business on the internet . want buy much popular and inexpensive
price go
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 11:38 am
From: yhnetstore@gmail.com

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 1:21 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jan 14, 2:38 pm, yhnetst...@gmail.com wrote:
> do business on the internet . want buy much popular and inexpensive
> price go

At least you are a person of few words and that is best as they don't
make much sense.

Now it's not just every adult working out of their garage making junk
or apartment (mansion) selling the junk, the already low level of
piglish has been diminished even further by what must be high school
kids trying to get rich quickly. They pull out the translation book
and out pops "want", "inexpensive", "cheap", and "popular." Put them
together and "go."

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TOPIC: Internet TV vs regular TV?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 12:07 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 1:02 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 14, 12:07 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Question...rather than viewing TV shows on your
> computer via TV signal input..... how possible is it to
> get TV shows right OFF the Internet period thereby
> bypassing the normal channels for TV anyway?

So far there isn't a true always on any channel/any time internet TV
source (someone supposedly started something like that a few years
back and the big networks put the brakes on it). And even though it's
far from perfect, most big networks do show their best shows online.
ABC, NBC and Fox have decent video feeds; CBS sucks bigtime (they used
to be ok...something has happened and apparently it's next to
impossible to see the video...but you sure can see the frickin'
commercials). The trade off is the size of the picture for the
convenience of very little interference by commercials.

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TOPIC: Best cheap LED flashlight from Walmart?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 12:09 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Are any of the LED flashlights sold at Walmart any
good?

Some are 3 watt units for abt $20

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 1:11 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jan 14, 3:09 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Are any of the LED flashlights sold at Walmart any
> good?
>
> Some are 3 watt units for abt $20

Are you sure about that 3 watts and what it means? That would be very
high draw for an LED flashlight.

I like the concept of the LED efficiency as far as power consumption.
However, it generally takes an array of several bulbs to provide any
useful light. They seem to work best in total darkness. I have found
that in partial light conditions, you sometimes can't tell the LED is
doing anything. For example, I tried to use one on the street under a
car shining up at the engine while lying under the vehicle in daytime.
It was still dark enough to need light. The LED did not help much. A
regular incandescent light would have worked much better. So it
depends on your need to save energy or have useful light. Also, all
LEDs are not the same. One bulb can be twice as bright as another.

They purposely package those things so you can't test them in the
store. Hopefully, someone can provide more specific model information
for you here.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 1:56 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Jan 14, 4:11 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 3:09 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
> > Are any of the LED flashlights sold at Walmart any
> > good?
>
> > Some are 3 watt units for abt $20
>
> Are you sure about that 3 watts and what it means? That would be very
> high draw for an LED flashlight.
>
> I like the concept of the LED efficiency as far as power consumption.
> However, it generally takes an array of several bulbs to provide any
> useful light. They seem to work best in total darkness. I have found
> that in partial light conditions, you sometimes can't tell the LED is
> doing anything. For example, I tried to use one on the street under a
> car shining up at the engine while lying under the vehicle in daytime.
> It was still dark enough to need light. The LED did not help much. A
> regular incandescent light would have worked much better. So it
> depends on your need to save energy or have useful light. Also, all
> LEDs are not the same. One bulb can be twice as bright as another.
>
> They purposely package those things so you can't test them in the
> store. Hopefully, someone can provide more specific model information
> for you here.

Luxeon LED flashlights are available in 1 watt, 3 watt and 6 watt.
These are single LED's.

My 1 watt, Dorcy, Luxeon equipped LED flashlight has a 10 hour
battery life (IIRC)and uses 3 AAA batteries.

My 3 watt Ray-O-Vac uses 2 AA batteries and has a 2 hour battery life.

I do not own, but have seen a 6 watt, Luxeon Dorcy that uses 6 AA
batteries. HTH.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:06 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

>Are you sure about that 3 watts and what it means? That would be very
>high draw for an LED flashlight.

Yeah pretty sure it said three watt output on the
RayOVac model in local Walmart. Cost was abt $20 and
'seemed" rugged.

Kind of crazy measuring light output in watts tho as it
SHOULD be measured in lumens I would think.

Anyway..... I'm wanting a good LED smallish
flashlight..... just not sure its worth the premium to
buy a high end ,model such as Surefire, etc. hence the
question abt what Walmart has.

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TOPIC: HONESTO AND VERY EASY MONEY!!!!!what to in a year and did so in less
than a month
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 12:13 pm
From: gustarmas

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Your NAME, ADDRESS AND EMAIL (E-MAIL). NOTE: This
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.
You forward the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
1) John Alexander Valverde del Carpio.
Jr. Spring j-6, Campo Marte, Paucarpata,
Arequipa, Peru.
2) Alexander Roldan Francisco Romero.
Carrera 65 # 10 - 102, Barrio El Limonar
Cali - Colombia.
(3) Humberto Zapata Sotelo.
Jr. Macará No. 279 Urb. Zarumilla, St. Martin de Porres, Lima, Peru.
Postcode Lima # 31.
(4) Sergio Urquiaga Gallegos.
Av. Alameda del Corregidor 1234 Dep. 102.
Urb. Sirius - La Molina.
Lima-Peru
(5) Agramonte Osiris Ricardo Pena.
John Paul Pina Street # 02, Villa Flores.
San Juan de la Maguana, Dominican Republic. Postcode San Juan de la
Maguana # 72000.
(6) Gustavo Artigas Fernando Lafuente, neighborhood san martin street
Paysandú esq. Island of Flores Maldonado Uruguay
Step # 2: Now remove the # 1 on the list and move the other names

Numbers up (# 6 becomes the # 5 and # 5 is
Becomes the # 4 and so on) and add your NAME AND
ADDRESS as # 6 on the list.
Step # 3: Change anything he deems necessary in this article, but
Tries to keep as close as possible to the original. Now enter or
Publish your article in at least 200 NEWSGROUPS (200 Announcements).
There are more than 24000000 of Newsgroups on the Internet. Just
200 as a minimum, but the more put this letter with your data
Newgroups more, the better the chance of receiving money as aid.
HOW TO MANAGE THE NEWSGROUPS (NEWSGROUPS)
1 .- You do not need to write this letter to all yours
Own. Just put your cursor at the beginning of this letter, please
Click with the left mouse button and let it pressed; download it
Until the end of the letter and release the mouse button.
The entire letter should be "shaded". Then make a "clicking"
The
Right mouse button anywhere in the shaded part and
COPY COPY or selected. This will cause the entire letter is at the
Temporary memory your computer.
2 .- Open a new file in NOTEPAD (Notebook) or WORD ... Make
Click with the right mouse button (Right click) and select PASTE or
PEGAR ... GRABE or SALVE file with the name you want and you
It can be identified at any time ... Since then
Will have this letter on your computer and you can add your name in
the
# 6 on the list following the instructions that appear more
Above.
3 .- (saved) recorded Taking this letter on your computer, every time
As you like, you can add or change anything without problems.
FOR THOSE WHO USE INTERNET EXPLORER
4 .- Go to "NEWSGROUPS" (Newsgroups), and select "POST AND
ARTICLE "or" WRITING NEW MESSAGE / DISCUSSION. "
5 .- Load, look, call or invoke the rule that kept
Previously.
6 .- Select the entire contents of the file containing the
Letter and copy it using the same procedure described
Above ... Back to "NEWSGROUPS and choose NEWS TO 'O' NEW
DISCUSSION, "in this way, you are creating the space for power
PEGAR the contents of the letter.
7 .- Press the "POST" or "SEND MESSAGE".
FOR WHICH MANEJAN NETSCAPE
4 .- Within the programme NETSCAPE, go to the window titled
"WINDOW" and select "NetscapeNews" ... Then go to the menu
"OPTIONS" and select "SHOW ALL NEWSGROUPS" ... Then you will see a
List all of its Server Newsgroups ... Then
Click on any Newsgroup ... This Newsgroup click
Under "TO NEWS", which should be up in the extreme
Left of the page ... Newsgroup This will take you to the box
Messages.
5 .- Fill this space. This is the title everyone will see that when
To travel through the list of a particular group.
6 .- Mark or select the entire contents of the file
Contains the letter and copy it using the same procedure described
Previously .... Back to Newsgroup, "TO NEWS" and you are creating
And empastando this letter within your program or "POSTING.
7 .- Press "SEND", which is in the top left corner and
You have completed your first Newsgroup.
.....¡¡¡¡¡ CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!..... .....¡¡¡¡¡ THAT IS
ALL !!!!!.....
IF YOU ACHIEVE .....¡¡¡¡¡ PUDE, YOU ALSO
CAN !!!!!..... .....¡¡¡¡¡ FORWARD !!!!!.....
All you have to do is meterte in different Newsgroups
(Newsgroups) or plaster and add your text. Once you have
Practice, only takes about 30 seconds for each ANNOUNCEMENT.
It is further recommended that when publishing the description of
this
Article, try to give a name to "catch" or call the lot
Care, such as: "Go NEED MONEY FAST? ... READ THIS ARTICLE"
"Go NEED MONEY TO PAY YOUR DEBT?", "BAJE ARCHIVE AND READ THIS
HOW CAN RECEIVE MONEY BY MAIL, "and so on., And not:" WINS MILLION
IN ONE WEEK, "that nobody takes seriously.
REMEMBER: IF YOU GET MORE NEWSGROUPS, MORE MONEY AND ANSWERS
RECEIVE !!!!!... BUT MUST ENTER IN AT LEAST 200 NEWSGROUPS ...
AND NOW THIS !!!!!...
Another way would be to use your CONDUCT OF E-MAIL and send
All your contacts this message. It also can expand
Chain.
You will be receiving money from all over the world in places that
neither
Known in a few days !!!!!... Eventually you will want to rent a P.
O. BOX. (Zip), the number of envelopes that will go
Receiving !!!!!...
(((ASEGÚRATE THAT ALL ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT )))...
Now the WHY of all this: Of 200 envoys, say that only
Receive 5 replies (very low example). Then I made $ 25 euros, or $
25 dollars with my name in the # 6 of this letter. Now, each
One of the people who sent me $ 5 euros, or US $ 5, also
Make a number of 200 Newsgroups or ads from the list and only
5 persons respond to each of the original 5, this makes $ 125
Euros or dollars more than I receive. Now, these 25 individuals put a
Minimum of 200 listings with my name on the # 4 and only received
5 responses each. It would make another $ 625 euros or dollars
Additional.
Now, those 125 people put a minimum of 200 groups with my name
In the # 3 and only get 5 replies each person, I
Get an additional $ 3,125 euros or dollars !!!!!, OK. Here is the
More fun part, each of those 625 people put their letters
Other 200 groups or ad with my name on the # 2 and each
5 receives an answer, and this makes me get $ 30,625 euros or
An additional $ !!!!!... These 3125 people send this message
To a minimum of 200 listings, with my name on the # 1 and only 5
People respond to the 200 ads, this means that I get $
78,125 euros or dollars !!!!!.
From an investment of $ 30 euros or dollars, do not believe it is
FABULOUS !!!!!?????. And as I said earlier, that only 5 people respond
to
200 groups or advertisements (the actual average is 20 to 30
People !!!!!)...
IF YOU WANT A calculation SACA !!!!!...
IF ONLY 15 PEOPLE RESPONDIERAN ... DARÍA THIS AS A RESULT:
Being in a position # 6 ...=$ 78.00
Being in a position # 5 ...=$ 768.00
Being in a position # 4 ...=$ 12.288.00
Being in a position # 2 ...=$ 184.552.00
¡¡¡¡¡ Now comes the good, do not be afraid !!!!!:
In the # 1 ........ ((((( $ 2.764.800.00 ))))).
!!!!! SÍÍÍÍÍ, ALMOST THREE MILLION DOLLARS OR !!!!!... THE IMPOSSIBLE
BELIEVE, TRUE !!!!!?????... BUT WITH SOME OF DEDICATION, AND TIME
EFFORT WE CAN ACHIEVE !!!!!...
Some people come to think ... "And if anyone answer me ?"...
QUEEEEE !!!!!... What is the likelihood that this will happen? ... If
Thousands and thousands of people HONESTAS (like us) looking for a
How to have financial independence and pay their debts !!!!!... And
Are willing to try. Because if I say "NO WORSE TO FIGHT
WHICH ARE NOT !"....
This is a fact that you may be interested:
There are an estimated 20000 to 50000 new Internet users ALL
DAILY (THROUGHOUT THE WORLD) ... REMEMBER TO DO SO HONESTA,
CLEAN AND PROPER and operate safely !!!...
*** In step: "! ONLY THE HONESTY AND INTEGRITY OF
PARTICIPANTS CAN MAKE THAT THIS OPERATING SYSTEM. "As you may have
Noticed, there is no middleman "MILAGROSO" multiply the
Money ... That intermediary each of the individuals involved
This "FLOW OF MONEY" ... So, the only way that this
Not work, is that unscrupulous individuals publish article WITHOUT
SEND MONEY those concerned. Now if they ALL OR MANY
This evil act and it is logical that this wonderful idea will not
work
As it should be ... So APELO YOUR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY ... And
remember,
There is a divine law which says that: "THERE THAT GIVE TO
RECEIVE" ...
!!!!! BENDICIONES
SUERTE !!!!!.....

FOR ALL AND

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Date: Mon, Jan 14 2008 2:00 pm
From: pc

Greetings group..

I've seen news reports about a variety of cities in the US and China
banning, or planning to ban, plastic grocery bags [AKA teeshirt bags].

While I agree that these are overused by the general population, I do
use them for my garbage cans. And when I don't need them to carry home
a purchase..then I don't ask for one.

So..my question..do people who want these bags banned go out and buy
plastic garbage bags all the time anyways [which brings up a lot of
other issues]? Or do they throw their garbage into a pail sans liner
[which brings up a host of other issues..sanitizing, water usage, etc.]

I certainly agree that a lot of people overuse the bags. But, I feel I
use them responsibly. Too bad we can't come up with an inexpensive,
biodegradable bag!

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