Frugal Living: 23 new messages in 10 topics

Tuesday, February 12, 2008

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Fashion Clothing Tips For Short Women
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 2:26 pm
From: xikom03@163.com

Petite curvaceous women definitely need to elongate their body using
their clothing style for minimizing the volume. This is the general
rule for the women owning this type of figure. In order to cover the
faults of a figure not belonging to a tall, skinny 'giraffe' type
model, you need to follow some essential tricks.

- Your aim is to elongate your body. The most frequent mistake petite
women making in terms of clothing is cutting their bodies by using
pieces of clothes as jackets and belts in the wrong proportions.
Wearing large belts on top of pants or skirts together with blouses of
different color is not the best choice as it cuts the body in two
parts, drawing attention to the shortness of the figure.

- You should also avoid wearing extra fabric around the waist. You
already possess a good amount of volume in this area and the last
thing you need adding some more.

- A false myth is the idea that very long skirts make your legs look
long. Very long, baggy skirts make your legs look shorter. Long skirts
may make you look taller if they go down to the ankle level and if
they are straight.

- A good trick to elongate your legs is to wear straight pants that
cover your shoes. This will definitely add some extra inches to your
legs.

- Mixing colors is permitted for petite women but remember that it is
the monochromatic clothing that makes you look taller and slimmer.

- Avoid wearing thick fabric clothing as it adds extra weight to your
figure.

- The best trick to elongate your body is to wear vertical lines
patterned clothing. But keep in mind not to exaggerate as you will end
up looking like a zebra. It is enough to wear a

http://www.dontplayplay.com/html/Bothsexes/20061002/47043.html

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 2:26 pm
From: xikom03@163.com

- You should also avoid wearing extra fabric around the waist. You
already possess a good amount of volume in this area and the last
thing you need adding some more.

- A good trick to elongate your legs is to wear straight pants that
cover your shoes. This will definitely add some extra inches to your
legs.

- Mixing colors is permitted for petite women but remember that it is
the monochromatic clothing that makes you look taller and slimmer.

- Avoid wearing thick fabric clothing as it adds extra weight to your
figure.

- The best trick to elongate your body is to wear vertical lines
patterned clothing. But keep in mind not to exaggerate as you will end
up looking like a zebra. It is enough to wear a

http://www.dontplayplay.com/html/Bothsexes/20061002/47043.html

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 2:26 pm
From: xikom03@163.com

- You should also avoid wearing extra fabric around the waist. You
already possess a good amount of volume in this area and the last
thing you need adding some more.

- A good trick to elongate your legs is to wear straight pants that
cover your shoes. This will definitely add some extra inches to your
legs.

- Mixing colors is permitted for petite women but remember that it is
the monochromatic clothing that makes you look taller and slimmer.

- Avoid wearing thick fabric clothing as it adds extra weight to your
figure.

- The best trick to elongate your body is to wear vertical lines
patterned clothing. But keep in mind not to exaggerate as you will end
up looking like a zebra. It is enough to wear a

http://www.dontplayplay.com/html/Bothsexes/20061002/47043.html

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 2:26 pm
From: xikom03@163.com

- You should also avoid wearing extra fabric around the waist. You
already possess a good amount of volume in this area and the last
thing you need adding some more.

- A good trick to elongate your legs is to wear straight pants that
cover your shoes. This will definitely add some extra inches to your
legs.

- Mixing colors is permitted for petite women but remember that it is
the monochromatic clothing that makes you look taller and slimmer.

- Avoid wearing thick fabric clothing as it adds extra weight to your
figure.

- The best trick to elongate your body is to wear vertical lines
patterned clothing. But keep in mind not to exaggerate as you will end
up looking like a zebra. It is enough to wear a

http://www.dontplayplay.com/html/Bothsexes/20061002/47043.html

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TOPIC: Tata to bring Nano to Europe in 4 years
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 3:25 pm
From: habshi@anony.com (habshi)

By then the Chinese will have copied it and produced a cheaper
version. He should get a move on.

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TOPIC: Dollar Tree, Victor NY, worst customer service ever
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 3:26 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <M5WdnZqHeoS6BS3anZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d@comcast.com>, Goomba38 wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>Sounds like you made a mountain outta a molehill.
>
>Why didn't you just walk off and continue your shopping? Leave him to
>figure out a way to open the cash drawer up without you?
>
>And to waste your time calling and posting about such a trivial event is
>more mind boggling to me? You probably wasted as much time fuming as he
>did supposedly talking....

If a store clerk wasted 3-5 minutes of my time doing such BS, I would do
no less than making sure the store manager heard from me. If the store
manager failed to appear to take me seriously or gave any indication that
there is no problem to fix or that the problem cannot be fixed, I would
also post.

---------------------------

On a side note: My experience is that Dollar Tree is better than most
other dollar stores - in terms of quality of products. I see better
bungee cords, more truthfully rated (but still subpar) lightbulbs, and
lack of the atrocities known as dollar store compact fluorescents lamps.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 3:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <lb1sj.3283$qV2.2816@trnddc04>, Joe wrote:
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:47b0935f$1$6137$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Just had the worst customer service I can remember in my entire life. At a
>> Dollar Tree, in Victor NY.

>I also live in the NE US.
>
>I once had pickles on my burger at a White Castle when I asked for no
>pickles... I didn't memorize the staff's name, hair color, call their
>manager or corporate office. I still go there sometimes and never once id
>it occur to me that I should be eternally wounded by some bad service.

I see a difference between incorrectly including/excluding pickles,
missing or forgetting something, or pumping the wrong gas,

and spending 3-5 minutes of time talking when the customer is trying to
get checked out. That would annoy me a lot more.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 4:25 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 11, 1:25 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just had the worst customer service I can remember in my entire life. At a
> Dollar Tree, in Victor NY. I've had good service there in the past, which is
> why this is so exceptional. The clerk, a teen boy, with the name tag
> "CAMERON" asked if I was finished so he could cash me ot. Needed to get his
> drawer open so he could give the other lady her change. I said I wasn't
> sure, but what the heck. Cash me out.
>
> He explained that I could continue shopping. He'd done this before, that
> some customers buy one item, and then go back to shopping. So I told him, I
> was finished enough, and he should cash me out. Over a period of 3 to 5
> minutes, I told him four times to go ahead and cash me out. Or was it five.
> He kept talking and talking, until finally I used my best drill sargeant
> voice and ordered him to cash me out.
>
> He kept talking. It became clear that he was abusing his power, and just
> dangling me on a string. I stormed out of the store. I went home, got the
> number, and called the store manager, and give him a detailed account. Al,
> the manager, sounds like he's not from NY. Very friendly fellow. Including
> reccomend that the boy should be fired immediately. Al says he'll get to the
> bottom of this. But he can't fire the kid after nine months of no
> complaints. He could if it were something really serious. I explained that
> mistreating customers lost him a sale, and may have lost him a customer. I
> left him my name and home phone number, if he needed further testimony.
>
> And then I called national, left a message with them, got their voice mail.
> Same reccomendation. If you've ever been in the Victor Dollar Tree, and had
> bad customer service by a dark haired teenager named Cameron, please
> imediately telephone the store, and tell Al about it. (585) 223-6050.
> --
> Christopher A. Young
Careful there. I hope you didn't give them too big a piece of your
mind.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 4:30 pm
From: "Joe"

> I see a difference between incorrectly including/excluding pickles,
> missing or forgetting something, or pumping the wrong gas,
>
> and spending 3-5 minutes of time talking when the customer is trying to
> get checked out. That would annoy me a lot more.

I have to agree with you here... But it still would not be enough for me to
flip out like that. I think I might go see the manager right then and
there, but certainly not post the information to a public forum as broad and
"anonymous" as this one.
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
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== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 5:21 pm
From: Marsha

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

> Fourth, you weren't creative in response to his trolling you. You
>could have simply gone in the next time, gathered a bunch of random
items,
>gone to his checkout, and halfway through the process, left the store,
>leaving the sticky ball of frustration in his hands.

I like this idea best.

Marsha/Ohio

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 5:47 pm
From: George Grapman

Until recently the local Safeway was was regularly understocked. On
several occasions I walked in and walked out. One time I got the
checkout and there were only two lines each with about 10 customers. I
found a manager and told him I had abandoned my cart. He apologized and
said he was advising customers to call the corporate 800 number to tell
them the dollar amount of the lost business. It might have worked as
they are rarely understaffed now.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 6:08 pm
From: val189

On Feb 11, 1:25 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just had the worst customer service I can remember in my entire life.

(rest of post snipped)

If THIS is the worst cus. svc. you've ever experienced, then you have
lived a charmed life. You ain't seen nuthin' if this riled you that
much.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 6:47 pm
From: Jeff

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Just had the worst customer service I can remember in my entire life. At a
> Dollar Tree, in Victor NY. I've had good service there in the past, which is
> why this is so exceptional. The clerk, a teen boy, with the name tag
> "CAMERON" asked if I was finished so he could cash me ot. Needed to get his
> drawer open so he could give the other lady her change. I said I wasn't
> sure, but what the heck. Cash me out.
>
> He explained that I could continue shopping. He'd done this before, that
> some customers buy one item, and then go back to shopping. So I told him, I
> was finished enough, and he should cash me out. Over a period of 3 to 5
> minutes, I told him four times to go ahead and cash me out. Or was it five.
> He kept talking and talking, until finally I used my best drill sargeant
> voice and ordered him to cash me out.
>
> He kept talking. It became clear that he was abusing his power, and just
> dangling me on a string. I stormed out of the store. I went home, got the
> number, and called the store manager, and give him a detailed account. Al,
> the manager, sounds like he's not from NY. Very friendly fellow. Including
> reccomend that the boy should be fired immediately. Al says he'll get to the
> bottom of this. But he can't fire the kid after nine months of no
> complaints. He could if it were something really serious. I explained that
> mistreating customers lost him a sale, and may have lost him a customer. I
> left him my name and home phone number, if he needed further testimony.

Let's see you've let a teenage kid get you completely unwound and you
left your handful of dollar items on the counter. Then you spent even
more time and effort calling managers and so far nothing. So you bring
it all here.

I find it amusing that the two least tolerant individuals in this
group are particularly proud of their christianity.

Jeff

>
> And then I called national, left a message with them, got their voice mail.
> Same reccomendation. If you've ever been in the Victor Dollar Tree, and had
> bad customer service by a dark haired teenager named Cameron, please
> imediately telephone the store, and tell Al about it. (585) 223-6050.

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TOPIC: OneSuite - Anything Better Available Now?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 4:05 pm
From: Lex Dysic

Ease and quality of connections seem to be going down hill lately. Any
suggestions for an similarly priced prepaid service with reasonable dial
into and out from Canada would be appreciated. Thanks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 4:28 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:05:15 -0600, Lex Dysic <dysicLex@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Ease and quality of connections seem to be going down hill lately. Any
>suggestions for an similarly priced prepaid service with reasonable dial
>into and out from Canada would be appreciated. Thanks

Likewise, I've found their fax number service to not be worth
anything. I'm looking for a new online fax number at relatively low
cost.

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TOPIC: Can't pay? Just walk away.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 6:05 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:24:46 -0800 (PST), Foobar
<bamberbert@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 7, 1:22 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:29:18 -0600, Snowbound
>>
>> <loosebow...@ixnay.invalid> wrote:
>> >Just don't declare bankruptcy, like someone in real financial trouble
>> >might consider. If you declare bankruptcy, like some joker who lost
>> >everything to unforseen disaster or illness, you are putting yourself at
>> >the mercy of courts and banks (who make today's bankruptcy laws). If you
>> >just walk away from a massivemortgageYOU freely chose, you get off
>> >scott free, without any substantial penalty! After all, what
>> >asset-draining cancer or chronic workplace injury could POSSIBLY be
>> >worse than losing a home you couldn't afford in the first place?
>>
>> This sounds good. The most logical part is the lender who made that
>> unjustifiably risky loan to Mr. J Doe will lilkely disappear as a
>> corporate entity before they catch up with Mr. Doe who walked away
>> from his foreclosed house. Whichever new company that takes over the
>> property will likely find it impossible or just too costly to clear
>> the paperwork necessary to track down John Doe the walker and make him
>> pay. There will be a few millions of such foreclosures that willtrashany industrywide attempt to clean them up.
>
>Which is a good thing?

In normal situations there is enough of a paper trail to track you
down anywhere in the country. So you have to declare bankruptcy (the
new rules I don't know about but its no longer easy to declare it) and
your credit rating goes to hell.

But in this subprime crisis the banking system isn't sure who actually
holds the original mortgage, who holds the invertment to a bundle of
these original mortages, who is the third party (bank or financial
institution) that had lent to the secondary party who held the
bundled mortages to the original mortgage. And this can cascade into
the fourth or fifth tier. If you can't follow the connections so far
neither can the banks and the financial institutions. The original
one million dollar bundle of mortages may have generated another four
to five millions if not more in secondary market..

Now if you are already in deep doggydoo and cannot pay your mortage
anyway. You walk away. In the good old days they will get you. In
the current crisis your original mortgage dollar has enabled other
parties to generate a debt worth five or more dollars. All these
people hold are IOUs and have no fixed asset (a house or property)
backing the debt. They are going to worry how to get payment on their
IOUs pronto before some other IOU holder gets his hands on the money
first. The guy who holds the bundle of actual mortages will have to
fight off three or more IOU holders who, as banks and financial
institutions, have considerable clout and legal resources. Whatever,
the actual mortgagee is a small fry with a single house. Its not
worth the legal fees or the effort to go after the more than a million
small frys yet. Don't forget there are perfectly good mortgage loans
mixed up with lapsed subprime ones that they will have to sort out.
With the mess they are in they may just lose the paper trail. I would
just walk away. Nothing worse can happen.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 11:27 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <0lt1r3t7b2f0a81cumrpaiqndkh1kugick@4ax.com>,
PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:24:46 -0800 (PST), Foobar
><bamberbert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 7, 1:22 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:29:18 -0600, Snowbound
>>>
>>> <loosebow...@ixnay.invalid> wrote:
>>> >Just don't declare bankruptcy, like someone in real financial trouble
>>> >might consider. If you declare bankruptcy, like some joker who lost
>>> >everything to unforseen disaster or illness, you are putting yourself at
>>> >the mercy of courts and banks (who make today's bankruptcy laws). If you
>>> >just walk away from a massivemortgageYOU freely chose, you get off
>>> >scott free, without any substantial penalty! After all, what
>>> >asset-draining cancer or chronic workplace injury could POSSIBLY be
>>> >worse than losing a home you couldn't afford in the first place?
>>>
>>> This sounds good. The most logical part is the lender who made that
>>> unjustifiably risky loan to Mr. J Doe will lilkely disappear as a
>>> corporate entity before they catch up with Mr. Doe who walked away
>>> from his foreclosed house. Whichever new company that takes over the
>>> property will likely find it impossible or just too costly to clear
>>> the paperwork necessary to track down John Doe the walker and make him
>>> pay. There will be a few millions of such foreclosures that
>willtrashany industrywide attempt to clean them up.
>>
>>Which is a good thing?
>
>
>In normal situations there is enough of a paper trail to track you
>down anywhere in the country. So you have to declare bankruptcy (the
>new rules I don't know about but its no longer easy to declare it) and
>your credit rating goes to hell.
>
>But in this subprime crisis the banking system isn't sure who actually
>holds the original mortgage, who holds the invertment to a bundle of
>these original mortages, who is the third party (bank or financial
>institution) that had lent to the secondary party who held the
>bundled mortages to the original mortgage. And this can cascade into
>the fourth or fifth tier. If you can't follow the connections so far
>neither can the banks and the financial institutions. The original
>one million dollar bundle of mortages may have generated another four
>to five millions if not more in secondary market..

A small ray of hope.
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20071115/WIRE/711150413
At least there's one judge who stood up to financial institutions to
make them follow the law. Until this article I hadn't been aware that
it was customary for courts to let foreclosing entities foreclose
without providing proof of ownership as required by law.

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TOPIC: Calendar downloads?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 6:24 pm
From: "Tockk"

If you have word processor software, you probably have a calendar in your
pre-set doobers that you can print . . . which reminds me, I was gonna do
the same thing . . .

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TOPIC: Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 7:12 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Rick Blaine wrote:
> Both tanks will use the same amount of energy to heat the water you are using
> directly. If both tanks have the same efficiency and the same insulation, the
> smaller tank will lose less energy to the outside air and thus be slightly less
> expensive to operate over the course of a year.

True, but there's one minor complication: the larger tank will
probably have a smaller ratio of surface area to volume[1]. Since
surface area is basically what determines the rate of heat loss[2],
a tank that's double the size will not lose heat at double the rate.

So while the larger tank will lose more heat, the increase in lost
heat is smaller than linear.

On the other hand, having a water heater with a large capacity can
encourage people to take excessively-long showers if they are already
inclined in that direction, and having a water heater with a small
capacity can definitely discourage long showers. :-)

- Logan

[1] As a starting point for visualizing this, imagine a 100-gallon
water heater as simply two 50-gallons stacked on top of each
other. When you stack them, the bottom of the upper one and
the top of the lower one will be up against each other and
thus not losing heat from that surface. So you've eliminated
some surface area. Real water heaters will have different
proportions, but the same basic idea applies. If you model
them as spheres, volume is proportional to the cube of the
radius but surface area is proportional to the square.

[2] ... along with temperature difference, but that's a constant
here, so we can eliminate it from this comparison.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 7:53 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"

"Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
message
>
> The installation fee includes a bunch of possibly mandatory extras.
> - Mandatory Installation Fee $300
> - Mandatory Disposal Fee $10
> - Mandatory Plumbing Permit $77
> - Mandatory Flex Pipe Replacement $46
> - Mandatory Sales Tax on the water heater ~8.75%
> - Possible Earthquake Straps $68
> - Possible pipe retrofit fees ~100
> - Possible trip charge of $35 to $80 if any service is refused

Do you get a choice of KY or Vaseline too?

Call al local plumber and save a bundle of money. The flex pipe should be
replaced with every installation though.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 7:16 pm
From: Logan Shaw

aesthete8@hotmail.com wrote:
> Is there such a thing?

Apparently:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/gcs/product/productInfo.web?infoParam.itemKey=30045501

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2008 11:54 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <75736609-d5ee-4113-ab00-de6544d611c4@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
<mwmiller314@gmail.com> wrote:
>In a 2 story residentail dwelling trees often leave their leaves in
>the 2nd story gutters, bringing a lot of us back to the annual joy of
>having to either hire someone or otherwise deal with the stuff that
>collected into the 2nd story gutters of a house. As he-man as I'd
>like to be about scaling ladders and stuff, I can't help but notice
>the ground is way way to easy to hit from a drop from the 2nd story
>level of the house. So the question remains and I've never heard a
>full or very great answer but thought I'd bring it here for once, "Is
>there some way to clear the gutters of a house while avoiding scaling
>to the 2nd story?" That is other than the obvious solution of moving
>to a ranch house.

Sucking the gutters clean with a shop vac has been effective for me.
But with a single story I get away with using a few extension wands and
a couple quarter round PVC electrical conduit sections. Even a full
length PVC wand substitute might be too unwieldy for two stories.
Also, the debris I'm dealing with is from a cedar tree.

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