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* BEST LCD OR PLASMA 42" TV SET ON MARKET??? - 3 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: BEST LCD OR PLASMA 42" TV SET ON MARKET???
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3cb34b276c0ce20e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 5 2008 10:56 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>> There is no DRM on digital cable TV broadcasts. You can record them
>>> the same as standard over the air television broadcasts.
>> Sure there is, on encrypted QAM channels. In order to decrypt, you
>> have to have either a cable box rented from the cable company or
>> a CableCard (also rented from the company) in a device that supports
>> a CableCard. And, surprise, there are very few CableCard devices
>> that let you do much of anything with the data. They certainly
>> don't let you copy it to an external device.
>
> Yes they do, most obviously with the TV you watch it on.
All the devices I've seen tend to have an HDMI output, which
means encryption there too. Can you name an example of one
that has a digital output which isn't encrypted? If so, I'm
interested to know because I'd like to buy such a device.
Of course, there is also an "analog gap" if the device has a
component video output. But the presence of an analog gap
doesn't mean it's not DRM. Every system ultimately has an
analog gap. If having an analog gap meant a system didn't
have DRM, then there would be no such thing as DRM.
- Logan
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 5 2008 11:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> Shawn Hirn wrote
>>>> There is no DRM on digital cable TV broadcasts. You can record them
>>>> the same as standard over the air television broadcasts.
>>> Sure there is, on encrypted QAM channels. In order to decrypt, you have to have either a cable box rented from the
>>> cable company or a CableCard (also rented from the company) in a device that supports a CableCard. And, surprise,
>>> there are very few CableCard devices that let you do much of anything with the data. They certainly don't let you
>>> copy it to an external device.
>> Yes they do, most obviously with the TV you watch it on.
> All the devices I've seen tend to have an HDMI output, which means encryption there too.
They still clearly allow you to copy it to an external device when that device is a TV.
> Can you name an example of one that has a digital output which isn't encrypted? If so, I'm interested to know because
> I'd like to buy such a device.
I was JUST commenting on your claim that 'they
certainly don't let you copy it to an external device'
They all clearly do when that 'external device' is a TV.
> Of course, there is also an "analog gap" if the device has a component video output. But the presence of an analog
> gap doesn't mean it's not DRM.
It does however mean that you can ignore the DRM if you choose to.
> Every system ultimately has an analog gap. If having an analog gap meant a system didn't have DRM, then there would
> be no such thing as DRM.
Irrelevant to your claim that 'they certainly don't let you copy it to an external device'
They all clearly do when that 'external device' is a TV.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 5 2008 11:56 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>>> Shawn Hirn wrote
>
>>>>> There is no DRM on digital cable TV broadcasts. You can record them
>>>>> the same as standard over the air television broadcasts.
>
>>>> Sure there is, on encrypted QAM channels. In order to decrypt, you have to have either a cable box rented from the
>>>> cable company or a CableCard (also rented from the company) in a device that supports a CableCard. And, surprise,
>>>> there are very few CableCard devices that let you do much of anything with the data. They certainly don't let you
>>>> copy it to an external device.
>
>>> Yes they do, most obviously with the TV you watch it on.
>
>> All the devices I've seen tend to have an HDMI output, which means encryption there too.
>
> They still clearly allow you to copy it to an external device when that device is a TV.
OK, even though I thought the meaning was clear from context, I will
revise my original statement to be clearer:
"They certainly don't let you copy it to an external device *which
has non-emphemeral storage*."
Hope that's clearer now.
- Logan
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