Frugal Living: 23 new messages in 14 topics

Monday, March 17, 2008

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* A grassroots movement to reuse unwanted items. FREE STUFF! - 1 messages, 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7e9ebe27b06842e?hl=en
* Plummeting Dollar. What now ? - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93ba3470fa978832?hl=en
* Dishwasher screwed in from the TOP and then tiled over (how to secure now?) -
3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a10e333233bdac2?hl=en
* Louis Vuitton Porte Monnaie Rond Replica AAA, Fake HandBags Cheap - 1
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dd6a73d9e6a8c2d0?hl=en
* Louis Vuitton Minuto Replica AAA, Fake HandBags Cheap - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/861ce45e4bd786f2?hl=en
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2cba7ef0a7f8ce8f?hl=en
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d2496ac2d9c35bbd?hl=en
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/190b5f62e6acf0e1?hl=en
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TOPIC: A grassroots movement to reuse unwanted items. FREE STUFF!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7e9ebe27b06842e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:34 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

In my area, the list was teriffically mis managed. I complained to HQ, and
not much changed. Somone changed the name of the list, and took the
membership. At least two competing lists sprung up.

Wonderful idea, but it really invites all kinds of abuse.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"cjkosmos" <carlwaynejordan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0d6999e0-ef24-47dc-9587-8a0bb632e985@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
I'm new to the group, so not sure if anything about this has been
posted before. I did a post about a week ago called "A grassroots
movement to reuse unwanted items." and it talks about The Freecycle
Network(tm). This is a network of people that are exchanging and giving
away stuff for free, rather than toss it in the garbage. Worth a look
to see if it's happening in your area. Visit my page to see the post
and link.

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TOPIC: Plummeting Dollar. What now ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93ba3470fa978832?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:38 pm
From: Snowbound

In article
<6dbfe653-2399-422f-8414-66c8e13322f9@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Noveau67@aol.com wrote:

> I'm one of those psychotic conspiracy nuts who believes that the
> dollar is being tanked on purpose, and is going to keep falling to who
> knows where, to benefit the agenda of the infamous "special interests"
> of the world.
>
> OK, whatever the motive, if any, for the dollar's weakness, what can a
> frugal person do to cope with, and/or benefit from the falling
> dollar???

Sell cheap crap on Usenet through spam.

>
> Maybe buy Euros? How can an individual buy Euros?? Huge
> commissions ???

Travelers checks.

Inflation is the saver's curse and the debtor's blessing. You may have
no debt. You may even have savings for retirement. You may exemplify
fiscal responsibility. But when inflation erodes all your years of good
work away in mere weeks or months (or in some cases, even just days),
your time and effort all goes to waste. Becomes worthless. Your family
and you go hungry.

And none of it is your fault. You did everything right. It is, *all* of
it, due to bad economic and political policies.

Think of the word "incompetent". How many times have you seen it used in
association with the Bush presidency?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 8:19 pm
From: Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T)

Noveau67 wrote
>...How can an individual buy Euros??
>Huge commissions ???

There is an instrument with the ticker symbol FXE, which mirrors the
value of the Euro. You buy and sell it like a stock. There are online
brokers who will execute a trade for you for $7, and I recently saw a
firm who claimed they would do trades for free, with a relatively low
minimum account, though I don't know if they are legit. A site like
bigcharts.com will allow you to see how the value FXE fluctuates.

Similarly, there is a ticker symbol GLD which is trade, which follows
gold. Also, silver is available at a modest price, compared to gold.

I started watching FXE not long ago when it was about 135, and I thought
it was too late to get involved with it. Then it zoomed into the 140s,
and I thought it was too late to get involved in it. Now it's in the
150s.

Sadly, it was only a few years ago that this would have sold in the 90s.
The dollar is shrinking alarmingly. One day people are going to realize
that the rising price of gas is related to the shrinking dollar.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 8:32 pm
From: Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T)

someone wrote

>If gas somehow gets to $5/gal this
>summer and food prices go up 10%
>or more, look for the shit to really hit
>the fan, as the poor start to go
>through the grinder and act out.

and Rod replied

>How odd that they didnt
>during the great depression.

Yes, and events such as the New Orleans hurricaine suggest that many
people are far less resourceful than during our grandfathers' era, more
likely to expect someone to hand them food on a platter so they can stay
fat, dumb, and happy, and more likely to turn feral when the social net
erodes.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 8:51 pm
From: George Grapman

P T wrote:
> someone wrote
>
>> If gas somehow gets to $5/gal this
>> summer and food prices go up 10%
>> or more, look for the shit to really hit
>> the fan, as the poor start to go
>> through the grinder and act out.
>
> and Rod replied
>
>> How odd that they didnt
>> during the great depression.
>
> Yes, and events such as the New Orleans hurricaine suggest that many
> people are far less resourceful than during our grandfathers' era, more
> likely to expect someone to hand them food on a platter so they can stay
> fat, dumb, and happy, and more likely to turn feral when the social net
> erodes.
>
Sounds like a description of the top executives at Bear Stearns.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 9:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

P T <Petepenguin@webtv.net> wrote:
> someone wrote

>> If gas somehow gets to $5/gal this summer and food prices
>> go up 10% or more, look for the shit to really hit the fan, as
>> the poor start to go through the grinder and act out.

> and Rod replied

>> How odd that they didnt
>> during the great depression.

> Yes, and events such as the New Orleans hurricaine suggest that
> many people are far less resourceful than during our grandfathers' era,

Natural disasters are completely different to high gas prices.

> more likely to expect someone to hand them food on
> a platter so they can stay fat, dumb, and happy, and
> more likely to turn feral when the social net erodes.

It aint gunna erode just because the gas price gets to $5/gal, you watch.

In spades with food prices increasing 10%

We dont even get riots when food prices increase anymore.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 11:43 pm
From: Bill Bowden

On Mar 16, 7:19 pm, Petepeng...@webtv.net (P T) wrote:
> Noveau67 wrote
>
> >...How can an individual buy Euros??
> >Huge commissions ???
>
> There is an instrument with the ticker symbol FXE, which mirrors the
> value of the Euro. You buy and sell it like a stock. There are online
> brokers who will execute a trade for you for $7, and I recently saw a
> firm who claimed they would do trades for free, with a relatively low
> minimum account, though I don't know if they are legit. A site like
> bigcharts.com will allow you to see how the value FXE fluctuates.
>
> Similarly, there is a ticker symbol GLD which is trade, which follows
> gold. Also, silver is available at a modest price, compared to gold.
>
> I started watching FXE not long ago when it was about 135, and I thought
> it was too late to get involved with it. Then it zoomed into the 140s,
> and I thought it was too late to get involved in it. Now it's in the
> 150s.
>
> Sadly, it was only a few years ago that this would have sold in the 90s.
> The dollar is shrinking alarmingly. One day people are going to realize
> that the rising price of gas is related to the shrinking dollar.

GLD is gold, SLV is silver, and USO is US oil. They are all
commodities and move pretty much the same way, up 50 percent last
year. Just pick one and ride out the bear market with 100 percent gain
or more. Don't bother buying gold coins that need to be safe guarded
and appraised. Much easier to own shares of GLD, or SLV that can be
sold with a click of the mouse.

-Bill

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TOPIC: Dishwasher screwed in from the TOP and then tiled over (how to secure
now?)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:53 pm
From: Donna Ohl

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:31:10 -0700, Anthony Matonak wrote:

> you are missing the under-counter flange or bracket.
> http://www.howiesdiy.com/

Hi Anthony,
I see what you mean from those photos.

When I look at my dishwasher, I see two indentations at the top
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210342/

Those two indentations must be where the missing bracket goes.

I'm guessing that I find those missing brackets at a store but what kind of
store sells dishwasher parts?

Donna

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:58 pm
From: "HeyBub"

Donna Ohl wrote:
> How can I secure my dishwasher now that it is fixed?
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210342/
>
> Every time I shut the door, it moves backward because there's no way
> I can get to the screws that were holding it in in the first place.
>
> Is it normal for a dishwasher to be screwed in at the top & then tiled
> over?
>
> There are two screws which I had to forcefully wrip out of the
> plastic of the top of the dishwasher to work on the dishwasher to
> unclog the solenoid filter screen.
>
> It seems that whoever put the dishwasher in, screwed the dishwasher
> to the counter from the plywood at the top of the counter BEFORE the
> tiles were put in and then tiled over the screws.
>
> The only way I could move the dishwasher was to tear the screws out
> of the top of the dishwasher.
>
> Now that the dishwasher is repaired, I have no way to rescrew the
> screws.
>
> HOW am I supposed to keep the dishwasher from moving back and forth
> every time I shut the door?

Purists should skip the following thought experiement:

If all other alternatives are impossible, you could put a screw through the
body of the dishwasher!

I'd go through the top - less chance of hitting wires - with the correct
length of screw. Then slather a wad of silicone sealant over the exposed
screw head.

Elegant, it ain't, functional it is.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 8:53 pm
From: "James Sweet"

"Donna Ohl" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:v2lDj.4098$qS5.1945@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:31:10 -0700, Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
>> you are missing the under-counter flange or bracket.
>> http://www.howiesdiy.com/
>
> Hi Anthony,
> I see what you mean from those photos.
>
> When I look at my dishwasher, I see two indentations at the top
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210342/
>
> Those two indentations must be where the missing bracket goes.
>
> I'm guessing that I find those missing brackets at a store but what kind
> of
> store sells dishwasher parts?
>
> Donna

An appliance store. Look in the phone book, best bet is to find a local mom
& pop place, sometimes they even have some junk units you can get stuff
from. You might also try a hardware store, just find some sort of bracket
that you can bend into the shape you need.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 9:48 pm
From: "M.L."

> In the USA, even *illegal* immigrants get roughly what American
> Medicaid recipients get, at taxpayer expense.

Are you implying that legal American citizens under 65 get the same
medical services that Medicaid recipients and illegals get too? I can
assure you they do not.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 11:03 pm
From: Bill Bowden

On Mar 16, 4:18 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In article <EVfDj.809$i54.462@trnddc05>, AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote
> in part:
>
> >the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go totaxes.
>
> Is this a marginal tax rate, like the way USA's tax brackets work? Or
> is every single dollar in your gross pay taxed at that rate?
>
> I have friends in Toronto, and I hear that they take home a little over
> half their gross pay.
>
> Most working Americans take home a much higher percentage of nominal
> gross pay, but usually either employer or employee or both pay a huge
> amount forhealth insurance- and covering a family now usually costs over
> $10,000 a year, and there are usually deductibles and copays that the
> covereds pay in addition.
> When the employer pays towards this, it is counted separately from the
> nominal gross pay. American employers also pay about 7.6% of gross pay
> for employer share of SS tax, and this is an amount not deducted from
> "gross pay" but a payroll expense in addition to "gross pay".
>
> Let alone propertytaxesand all the BStaxesAmericans pay so that
> politicians can say they kept incometaxesdown.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

Actually, lower income Americans don't pay any taxes, the upper
incomes pay most of the tax. People in the lower incomes of less than
$30K pay little or no tax. And if they have a family, they may
actually get a refund greater than the tax paid due to the earned
income credit. Most people pay little or nothing in federal income
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31

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