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* Best frugal technology deal you've gotten - 1 messages, 1 author
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* EMBARQ DSL - is this considered a "normal" deal? Experiences with EMBARQ DSL?
- 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Best frugal technology deal you've gotten
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 10:47 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"
Couple of USB "flash" or "jump" data storage. Also on Black Friday, got a 2
GB sim card for my digital camera.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org...
What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
months?
For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples for
$8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of them, to
replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.
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TOPIC: EMBARQ DSL - is this considered a "normal" deal? Experiences with
EMBARQ DSL?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 11:03 am
From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg)
In article <fs753s$q7q$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Tomes <ask.me@here.net> wrote:
>Dunno if this is still relevant but I just subscribed to this NG and found
>this post....
>
>I have Embarq. The only problem that I have with them is that they do not
>support Usenet. Not at all. I had to go find this motzarella.org to use.
Thats one problem. Another is that they do not have any facilities for
dialup for backup when DSL is down or you are traveling.
--
Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 12:38 pm
From: DerbyDad03
On Feb 25, 11:45 pm, "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> "Doc" <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1c312c4c-536c-4af2-8bce-d9421d9c9365@m23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
> > seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
> > a bit put off.
>
> > -$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
> > and find a better provider, you're obliged to pay them for
> > approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
> > They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.
>
> That's the real dealbreaker there.
>
>
>
> > But...
>
> > -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
> > sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
> > gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?
>
> > -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed.
>
> (snip)
>
> Ummmm, you are shopping for DSL. They have to state that no minimum level
> of speed is guaranteed. Speed of DSL is dependent on line length and line
> condition. Both are unknown quantities unless you want to pay the phone
> company to run a brand new line from the CO to your computer area. (You
> don't want to know what that would cost.)
> Best the phone company can do is ESTIMATE line length from the CO to your
> house, and then give you a rough estimate of what speed your DSL -might- be,
> after line is provisioned and modem is installed. To over-simplify, shorter
> wire length equals faster connection, assuming that the line condition is
> OK.
> This is not weasel wording by the phone company. The phone company can not
> tell you what speed your connection will be until AFTER DSL is "live" at
> your house. Therefore, no minimum level of speed is guaranteed. And yes,
> they have to spell that out in writing, just so they won't get sued when
> that ultra-reliable 800K connection was advertised as "up to 1.5M" or
> something like that, and some ignorant consumer misinterpreted that as a
> speed guarantee...
> I'm not calling you ignorant, btw. It's just that, if you understood the
> technology better, you wouldn't be worried about the phone company stating
> that no minimum level of speed is guaranteed. All they are really saying is
> "We don't have a crystal ball".
>
> > -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
> > notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
> > they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
> > paying.
>
> No, here they are saying that they are going to jack your rates way up after
> a few months. Typical, and another dealbreaker.
>
>
>
> > -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
> > news.
>
> > Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.
>
> That's about right. Sometimes DSL providers will run specials where the
> equipment charge and activation fee are waived. But $30 total shipped and
> activated? That's actually pretty cheap.
>
> > Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
> > EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>
> > Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?
>
> Based on what you wrote, I would steer clear of embarq. DSL is awesome,
> MUCH more reliable than cable. Comparing DSL to cable is not really fair.
> Cable can be faster, but DSL is more for people who care about CONSISTENT
> connection speed. I've seen the same cable modem connection run faster than
> DSL and SLOWER than DSL, in the same day. It totally depends on what your
> neighbors are up to. With DSL, it's always fairly fast, and there are no
> slowdowns, like right after schools let out for the day and the heavy
> downloads begin. Now some moron is going to pipe up and say "but it's all
> shared bandwidth". Yup, and with DSL, it is shared at a level where it
> doesn't affect YOUR connection. So it's more accurate to say that cable
> bandwidth is shared, whereas DSL bandwidth is more or less dedicated to YOUR
> line.
>
> If you can get DSL from a good provider without a huge early termination
> fee, I'd suggest you try it. But don't expect a speed guarantee upfront,
> and DO expect to be much happier with DSL than you will ever be with a cable
> modem. Unfortunately, where we live, we can't get DSL, so I'm stuck with
> cable modem. :( -Dave
As long s this thread has resurfaced, I'll comment....
re: DSL is awesome, MUCH more reliable than cable.
We shouldn't make generalizations.
I switched from my phone company's DSL to my cable provider's all-in-
one package many years ago and I can't recall an outage other than
when an ice storm hit the area and everything was down. I do recall,
however, having issues with my DSL service - from outages to slow
connections - numerous times. I'd rank my cable service - and the tech
support they provide - much higher than I would my former DSL service.
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TOPIC: health care costs
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 12:12 pm
From: MD
Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items and how much of
that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 1:18 pm
From: James
On Mar 24, 3:12 pm, MD <maryamdaneshm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items and how much of
> that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
Yes and no.
There is a national tax called the "Good and Services Tax" or GST that
applies to most retail purchases and many services. It actually
replaced a wholesalers tax of 13%, but that was a hidden tax, and only
applies to goods, not services. When it came out it was 7%. Since then
it has been lowered twice, and is now 5%.
Provincial Governments (like States) also have sales taxes (except
Alberta). Some provinces lump sales tax in with the GST some (Quebec)
charge sales tax on the GST included price (horrible), others just
have two separate taxes. Ontario's sales tax is currently 8%. So the
combined total in Alberta would be 5%, Ontario 13%.
In theory provinces charge for health care - each province has a
different system. In Ontario, we pay a sliding scale as part of
provincial income tax - the max is $900. But in truth the federal
government, because they have greater powers of taxation, also
transfers money to the provinces for things like health care and
education, even though the provinces run those programs. Feds raise
money and the provinces spend....
The GST doesn't go directly into healthcare, it goes to general
revenue, though a small portion is allocated to pay off the national
debt. People who earn less than $30000 a year get a GST credit.
I found figure for healthcare from 2003 - showing Canada spent 121.4
billion on healthcare, or $3,939 per person. Our healthcare spending
is less as a percentage of GDP than the US (9.7 versus 13.9 %).
I don't know how much revenue comes in from the GST.
Hope that helps.
James
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 1:49 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
MD <maryamdaneshmand@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items
Nope.
> and how much of that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
Not much of it.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 2:48 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> MD <maryamdaneshmand@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items
>
> Nope.
>
>> and how much of that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
>
> Not much of it.
>
>
Rod, you have been behaving and posting coherent messages recently.
MY guess is the welfare payment came and you are back on your meds.
Remember, when the payment comes you should immediately buy enough meds
to last until the next payment.
William Souden
sales fool/racetrack bum
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 3:23 pm
From: "The Henchman"
"MD" <maryamdaneshmand@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:82a9a52e-4b99-46b9-a986-fa813b8645cb@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items and how much of
> that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
Canada and my Province of Ontario spend more servicing debt than we do on
Health Care.
American's have a Health Savings Account. Canadians don't.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 3:46 pm
From: Cal Bronson
On Mar 24, 2:23 pm, "The Henchman" <don'tas...@iampoor.net> wrote:
> "MD" <maryamdaneshm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:82a9a52e-4b99-46b9-a986-fa813b8645cb@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Is it true that Canadians pay 15% tax on most items and how much of
> > that is to cover the cost of the national health care system?
>
> Canada and my Province of Ontario spend more servicing debt than we do on
> Health Care.
>
> American's have a Health Savings Account. Canadians don't.
The United States needs health care reform. But even if that ever
actually
happens, Health Savings Accounts are a way to get your family insured
right now
while putting 100% tax deductible money in the bank, and then be able
to use that money tax free at any time -- for doctor visit co-pays,
prescription co-pays, etc.
http://thepoliticsofhealthcare.wordpress.com
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TOPIC: how to bring down the price of gas.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 3:25 pm
From: "The Henchman"
"Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
news:BdadnZAr-JEVL3ranZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
> P.O.W. wrote:
> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>>
>>
>> Keep it going
>>
>> .
>>
>
> Well one way to bring down the cost of gasoline is to use less. To some
> extent the laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel. If
> everyone used less the demand would decrease and therefore the price would
> drop somewhat. Of course it's not all supply and demand. We have been
> paying through the nose since W took office and the oil / gasoline
> companies know that we will continue to buy their products at the current
> prices. So why would they lower the price and cut into their profit.
Still cheaper now than in previous decades.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 7:23 pm
From: clams_casino
The Henchman wrote:
>"Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
>news:BdadnZAr-JEVL3ranZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>> P.O.W. wrote:
>> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>>
>>
>>> Keep it going
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Well one way to bring down the cost of gasoline is to use less. To some
>>extent the laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel. If
>>everyone used less the demand would decrease and therefore the price would
>>drop somewhat. Of course it's not all supply and demand. We have been
>>paying through the nose since W took office and the oil / gasoline
>>companies know that we will continue to buy their products at the current
>>prices. So why would they lower the price and cut into their profit.
>>
>>
>
>Still cheaper now than in previous decades.
>
>
>
>
and to think it was <$1 / gallon in 1999.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 7:59 pm
From: George Grapman
clams_casino wrote:
> The Henchman wrote:
>
>> "Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
>> news:BdadnZAr-JEVL3ranZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>> P.O.W. wrote:
>>> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>>>
>>>> Keep it going
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well one way to bring down the cost of gasoline is to use less. To
>>> some extent the laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel.
>>> If everyone used less the demand would decrease and therefore the
>>> price would drop somewhat. Of course it's not all supply and demand.
>>> We have been paying through the nose since W took office and the oil
>>> / gasoline companies know that we will continue to buy their products
>>> at the current prices. So why would they lower the price and cut into
>>> their profit.
>>>
>>
>> Still cheaper now than in previous decades.
>>
>>
>>
> and to think it was <$1 / gallon in 1999.
I remember gas wars in the late 60's with 19 cent gas.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/03/23/gas.prices/
(CNN) -- Gas prices surged nearly 7 cents over the past two weeks to
reach an all-time inflation-adjusted high of $3.26 per gallon of
self-serve regular, a national survey said Sunday.
art.gas.ap.jpg
Gas prices increased by 7 cents in the past two weeks, a survey out
Sunday shows.
The previous inflation-adjusted record occurred last May 18, when the
price was $3.24 in current dollars.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 8:18 pm
From: max
In article <0TVFj.185793$FE.123898@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
"The Henchman" <don'taskme@iampoor.net> wrote:
> "Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
> news:BdadnZAr-JEVL3ranZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
> > P.O.W. wrote:
> > THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> >>
> >>
> >> Keep it going
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >
> > Well one way to bring down the cost of gasoline is to use less. To some
> > extent the laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel. If
> > everyone used less the demand would decrease and therefore the price would
> > drop somewhat. Of course it's not all supply and demand. We have been
> > paying through the nose since W took office and the oil / gasoline
> > companies know that we will continue to buy their products at the current
> > prices. So why would they lower the price and cut into their profit.
>
> Still cheaper now than in previous decades.
That turns out not to be the case.
<http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=gasoline++%22inflation+adjusted%22&b
tnG=Search>
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 8:15 pm
From: max
In article <tUZFj.22535$0o7.1367@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
> > The Henchman wrote:
> >
> >> "Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
> >> news:BdadnZAr-JEVL3ranZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>> P.O.W. wrote:
> >>> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> >>>
> >>>> Keep it going
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Well one way to bring down the cost of gasoline is to use less. To
> >>> some extent the laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel.
> >>> If everyone used less the demand would decrease and therefore the
> >>> price would drop somewhat. Of course it's not all supply and demand.
> >>> We have been paying through the nose since W took office and the oil
> >>> / gasoline companies know that we will continue to buy their products
> >>> at the current prices. So why would they lower the price and cut into
> >>> their profit.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Still cheaper now than in previous decades.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > and to think it was <$1 / gallon in 1999.
>
> I remember gas wars in the late 60's with 19 cent gas.
>
>
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/03/23/gas.prices/
>
>
>
>
> (CNN) -- Gas prices surged nearly 7 cents over the past two weeks to
> reach an all-time inflation-adjusted high of $3.26 per gallon of
> self-serve regular, a national survey said Sunday.
> art.gas.ap.jpg
>
> Gas prices increased by 7 cents in the past two weeks, a survey out
> Sunday shows.
>
> The previous inflation-adjusted record occurred last May 18, when the
> price was $3.24 in current dollars.
i've posted this before, but time for a recap.
for every year the cost of gas goes up by a penny, a billion dollars is
sucked out of some other part of the economy.
I was suprised when i calculated it, but ... well, we use a lot of gas
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close enough.
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