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TOPIC: Your satisfactions,Our pursuit! (www.ec231-silkonroad.cn)
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Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 12:55 am
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TOPIC: Replica Breitling, Fake Breitling Watches
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Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 12:58 am
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TOPIC: Air Mattress For Sofa Bed - Find a Great SALE Today !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 1:27 am
From: sjc1t99gmnmo3eh6jher@gmail.com

The New Technology in Air Mattresses for Sofa Beds

If you have ever spent the night on a traditional sofa bed, comfort is
probably not the first thing that comes to mind. Most people who have
slept on one of these contraptions probably envision a mattress that
was as thin as a board, and a bar in the middle that hit right about
the kidneys.

You might agree that it was not remotely the most restful night that
you have ever spent! Still, when company comes to call, a sofa bed is
often the first option a host has for accommodating overnight guests.
The good news is that there is new technology in air mattresses for
sofa beds that actually offers a good night of sleep and a refreshing
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TOPIC: Converter boxes for new HDTV sets -- which is the best one?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 1:29 am
From: Logan Shaw

Tockk wrote:
> "Fake ID" <no-spam@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:47d617b2$0$36329$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

>> In article <7wlBj.22667$R84.7228@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> Tockk <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>> Anyone know which would be the best to get?
>>>
>>> http://www.solidsignal.com/cat_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=Digital%20Converter%20Box

>> Probably the CM-7000, for S-Video, whenever it gets around to being
>> certified.

> I dunno what S-Video is, but I remember back when the cassette tape was new.
> I have a couple TVs -- one is about 5 years old, the other about 12, both
> are going strong, and I'm disinclined to spend $900 on another one,

Well, do either of those TVs have an input on the back labeled S-Video?
If they do, that's why you might want a converter box with an S-Video
output.

Basically, in order of quality going from best to worst, the various
ways of hooking up a video-producing device to a television are
these:

DVI or HDMI (generally, only digital TVs have these inputs)
Component Video (three cables for the video -- one red, one green, one blue)
S-Video
Composite Video (one cable for the video that carries
all of red, green, and blue; hence the name composite)
RF (usually a screw-on coax cable; requires tuning to ch. 3 or 4;
you often hear the term "RF modulator" associated with this)

Obviously, if you care about picture quality, the higher up the
list the better. You might also want to consider what inputs are
already used for something else (like DVD player, VCR, or whatever)
and which ones are still available.

If I recall correctly, HDMI and RF are the only ones that can also
transmit audio, so if you use any of the others, you need to also
run 2 cables for the sound (or 1 cable if you're doing monophonic
instead of stereo, but your TVs are probably new enough to be
stereo). That means the composite video will turn from 1 cable
into 3, as will the S-Video, and the component will turn from 3
into 5, when you add in the cables for audio.

- Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 8:08 am
From: larry

Logan Shaw wrote:
> Tockk wrote:
>
>> "Fake ID" <no-spam@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> news:47d617b2$0$36329$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>
>
>>> In article <7wlBj.22667$R84.7228@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> Tockk <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Anyone know which would be the best to get?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.solidsignal.com/cat_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=Digital%20Converter%20Box

>>>>
>
>
>>> Probably the CM-7000, for S-Video, whenever it gets around to being
>>> certified.
>
>
>> I dunno what S-Video is, but I remember back when the cassette tape
>> was new.
>> I have a couple TVs -- one is about 5 years old, the other about 12,
>> both are going strong, and I'm disinclined to spend $900 on another one,
>
>
> Well, do either of those TVs have an input on the back labeled S-Video?
> If they do, that's why you might want a converter box with an S-Video
> output.
>
> Basically, in order of quality going from best to worst, the various
> ways of hooking up a video-producing device to a television are
> these:
>
> DVI or HDMI (generally, only digital TVs have these inputs)
> Component Video (three cables for the video -- one red, one green, one
> blue)
> S-Video
> Composite Video (one cable for the video that carries
> all of red, green, and blue; hence the name composite)
> RF (usually a screw-on coax cable; requires tuning to ch. 3 or 4;
> you often hear the term "RF modulator" associated with this)
>
> Obviously, if you care about picture quality, the higher up the
> list the better. You might also want to consider what inputs are
> already used for something else (like DVD player, VCR, or whatever)
> and which ones are still available.
>
> If I recall correctly, HDMI and RF are the only ones that can also
> transmit audio, so if you use any of the others, you need to also
> run 2 cables for the sound (or 1 cable if you're doing monophonic
> instead of stereo, but your TVs are probably new enough to be
> stereo). That means the composite video will turn from 1 cable
> into 3, as will the S-Video, and the component will turn from 3
> into 5, when you add in the cables for audio.
>
> - Logan

Only problem is that you can't use the fed coupons. Only
converter boxes with rf ch3/4 and/or composite video output
qualify. The set manufactures lobbied to prevent upgrading
with the $40. Otherwise we'd all be gettin atsc usb sticks
and keepin the change ;-)

-- larry / dallas

is anyone selling the qualifying boxes for the $40.00?
walmart is at $49. i still think tv stations will be giving
away free boxes once the fed money runs out.

also, the boxes are software upgradeable, wonder if the
boxes might do more once out of the feds watch?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 2:54 am
From: " P.O.W."

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International experts foresee collapse of U.S. economy
By Hielema, Bert

And you thought that I had a gloomy outlook on the economy. Now the
bad news pops up everywhere.

Harry Koza in the Globe and Mail quotes Bernard Connelly, the global
strategist at Banque AIG in London, who claims that the likelihood of
a Great Depression is growing by the day.

Martin Wolf, celebrated columnist of the U.K.-based Financial Times,
cites Dr. Nouriel Roubini of the New York University's Stern School of
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financial system will grow to more than $1 trillion - that's one
million times $1 million. That amount is equal to all the assets of
all American banks.

Every day now, thousands of people all over the U.S. and Great Britain
are walking away from their homes - simply mailing their house keys to
the banks - as housing bailout plans fail.

With unemployment growing, the next phase will hit commercial real
estate making the financial institutions the unwilling owners not only
of quickly depreciating houses, but also of empty strip malls and even
larger shopping centers.

The next domino to fall will be credit card defaults, and after
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trillions of dollars in paper - or rather computer-screen money - all
carrying assorted acronyms, and all about to disintegrate into
nothingness. Over the next couple of years, scores of banks that have
thrived on these devices, based on quickly disappearing equities, will
fail.

The most frightening forecast so far comes from the Global Europe
Anticipation Bulletin (GEAB), available for 200 euros - about $300 -
for 16 issues annually. Its prediction is quite specific.

Where my warnings never spelled out an exact date, this think tank has
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"The end of the third quarter of 2008 (thus late September, a mere
seven months from now) will be marked by a new tipping point in the
unfolding of the global systemic crisis.

"At that time indeed, the cumulated impact of the various sequences of
the crisis will reach its maximum strength and affect decisively the
very heart of the systems concerned, on the front line of which (is)
the United States, epicenter of the current crisis.

"In the United States, this new tipping point will translate into -
get this - a collapse of the real economy, (the) final socio-economic
stage of the serial bursting of the housing and financial bubbles and
of the pursuance of the U.S. dollar fall. The collapse of U.S. real
economy means the virtual freeze of the American economic machinery:
private and public bankruptcies in large numbers, companies and public
services closing down."

The report goes on to say that we are entering a period for which
there is no historic precedent. Any comparisons with previous
situations in our modern economy are invalid.

We are not experiencing a "remake" of the 1929 crisis nor a repetition
of the 1970s oil crises or 1987 stock market crisis.

What we will have, instead, is truly a global momentous threat - a
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very foundations of the international system upon which the world was
organized in the last decades.

The report emphasizes that it is, first and foremost, in the United
States where this historic happening is taking an unprecedented shape
(the authors call it "Very Great U.S. Depression").

It continues to predict that, although this crucial event is global,
it will be the beginning of an economic 'decoupling' between the U.S.
and the rest of the world. However, non 'decoupled' economies will be
dragged down the U.S. negative spiral.

Concerning stock markets, the GEAB anticipates that international
stocks would plummet by 40 to 80 per cent depending where in the world
they are located, all affected in the course of the year 2008 by the
collapse of the real economy in the U.S. by the end of summer.

The European authors of this report - it appears simultaneously in
French, German and English - state that they simply and without
prejudice try to describe in advance the consequences of the ominous
trends at play in this 21st-century world, and to share these with
their readers, so that they can take the proper means to protect
themselves from the most negative effects.

So there you have it. Three reports from three different sources, all
well regarded, and all pointing to a disastrous fall-out from our
monetary moves.

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
problems tend to look like nails.

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Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 2:29 am
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The Real Bev wrote:

> me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> "Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No idea about the citrus cleaners, but bleach (Clorox) will degrade
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>>> knows what stuff like Comet goes through to completely degrade . . .
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>>
>> Agree but I don't relish the thought of "spraying"
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>> all...afraid abt breathing it in
>
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Industry and Federal Government bear special responsibility for the
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In article
<georgewspamk-CC6B20.20203710032008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
" P.O.W." <georgewspamk@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
> ya know all the energy the Prius uses is from gas . Some Euro models
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> the U.S. model does not have that option... Yet.

Any Prius that can be plugged in has been modified to do so by its
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803102135390.30900@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
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> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 12:49 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Do you save anything on long trips? I understand the savings is in
> >> city stop & go traffic and not on the highway crusing at 65.
> >
> > That's my understanding about the hybrids as well. And since the
> > majority of my driving is "highway"; it doesn't make sense. However,
> > it'd be fine with rush hour gridlock, right?
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Right. As a recent Prius owner, (about 7 weeks), I am learning this
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 8:00 am
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Shawn Hirn wrote:

> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803102135390.30900@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
> barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 12:49 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> city stop & go traffic and not on the highway crusing at 65.
>>>
>>> That's my understanding about the hybrids as well. And since the
>>> majority of my driving is "highway"; it doesn't make sense. However,
>>> it'd be fine with rush hour gridlock, right?
>>
>> Depends on the car, the driver, and the traffic.
>> (2005 Prius)
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>> in slow but moving traffic, and crappy mpg when driving on arterial
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>> starts every half mile. (think Chicago.)
>
> Right. As a recent Prius owner, (about 7 weeks), I am learning this
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>

welcome to the family, Shawn!

As you do more research, you'll find lots of little tweaks and tricks to
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TOPIC: Using laptop as full time "desktop"?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 6:59 am
From: me@privacy.net

My computer usage is such that I really do not NEED a
laptop.

I don't travel for work..... and even tho I'm a student
find that dragging a full size laptop to school to be a
burden and unnecessary as campus has many desktops
setting around to use anyway.

Having said that... I can still see value in having
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trips.... easy to resale on used market via mail order,
etc.

Some questions abt using a laptop in full time desktop
mode tho:

1. Can a laptop run on 110 vac without battery being
in unit? It's best not to "cook" the battery all day
long if the laptop is plugged in and used as a desktop
anyway, is it?

2. Is it Ok to leave a laptop plugged into 110 vac and
without battery ON all day long? Say you leave the
house for a few hrs..... just leave it on...... will
that be hard on the internals and cooling fan? not
being designed for that?

3. When shutting the laptop down at the end of the
day..... anyway to stop the phantom current flow form
the power brick being plugged into the wall versus just
unplugging it (hassle)?

Bottom line.... what habits are worthwhile to use a
laptop as a desktop" all day long without causing any
damage? and make it convenient as a desktop?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 8:47 am
From: "the_verminator@comcast.net"

On Mar 11, 8:59 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:

> Some questions abt using a laptop in full time desktop
> mode tho:
>
> 1. Can a laptop run on 110 vac without battery being
> in unit? It's best not to "cook" the battery all day
> long if the laptop is plugged in and used as a desktop
> anyway, is it?
>

Most manufacturers now recommed removing the battery when being used
for long periods while connected to 110 vac.

> 2. Is it Ok to leave a laptop plugged into 110 vac and
> without battery ON all day long? Say you leave the
> house for a few hrs..... just leave it on...... will
> that be hard on the internals and cooling fan? not
> being designed for that?
>

I have an Acer 5315 that runs pretty much 24/7. I did put a cooling
pad with two fans under it and have had no problems since I bought it
at WalMart in November 2007 ($348 Special!)

> 3. When shutting the laptop down at the end of the
> day..... anyway to stop the phantom current flow form
> the power brick being plugged into the wall versus just
> unplugging it (hassle)?
>

Since mine runs 24/7 I can't answer this.

> Bottom line.... what habits are worthwhile to use a
> laptop as a desktop" all day long without causing any
> damage? and make it convenient as a desktop?

I treat mine just as a regular computer and except for the cooling pad
give it no special considerations at all.

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