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TOPIC: Plummeting Dollar. What now ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93ba3470fa978832?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote
> Rod.
> Do you really think I'm paying any attention to someone
You've just proved that you do.
> who's only purpose is to troll up some response. And you do that by using such insightful comments as "Fool you" and
> "Nope".
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> Not to mention that you couldn't possibly be more removed from the US than where you are.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to observe what
happens outside your immediate surrounds, if someone was actually
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>>> Logan Shaw wrote:
>>>> Noveau67@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> I'm one of those psychotic conspiracy nuts who believes that the
>>>>> dollar is being tanked on purpose, and is going to keep falling to
>>>>> who knows where, to benefit the agenda of the infamous "special
>>>>> interests" of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, whatever the motive, if any, for the dollar's weakness, what
>>>>> can a frugal person do to cope with, and/or benefit from the
>>>>> falling dollar???
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe buy Euros? How can an individual buy Euros?? Huge
>>>>> commissions ???
>>>> You should probably figure out the math before choosing a scheme
>>>> like that. When the dollar is weak, like now, that means that the
>>>> Euro is *expensive*. If the dollar recovers, the Euro (your
>>>> investment) will have lost value relative to the dollar. Unless
>>>> you think the trend will continue even further, your scheme
>>>> basically amounts to "buy high, sell low". Or to put it another
>>>> way, when something is trending in a certain direction, in order
>>>> to capitalize on that, you have to get in towards the beginning
>>>> of the trend. Nobody knows if the dollar will drop further or
>>>> will recover, but to me at least, it doesn't seem like we're
>>>> in the early part of that trend.
>>> There's little reason for it to go up and a lot of reasons for it
>>> to fall further.
>>>
>>> There's a strong feeling that the FED would go another 3/4 point
>>> in the coming meeting. What with the Europeans holding their rates up,
>>> it'll be just another push to go lower.
>>>
>>> Well, it looks like the yen carry trade is about dead. Which I
>>> suppose will push the dollar lower. I was just reading a bit more
>>> about the Japanese economy which: For the last 17 years, the Nikkei
>>> rode down the proverbial "slope of hope".
>>> http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3973.html
>>
>>> It's an interesting story, a housing bubble that burst,
>>
>> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like that has happened in
>> the US bubble wise.
>>> and a government that has tried to prop up the economy with super
>>> low interest rates.
>>
>> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like that has happened in
>> the US interest rates wise.
>>> Hmmm.
>>
>> Humming aint gunna save your bacon.
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TOPIC: The Easter Bunny Hates You
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f927286348488ae7?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:55 am
From: Hoots
John in Mass wrote:
> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> Easter
>>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T HONESTLY
>> PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A SHOTGUN!!! BUT IN
>> ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN THE
>> CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM BUYING
>> CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>
>>
>>
>> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>>> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>>>> This will put a smile on your face!
>>>>
>>>>
> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>>> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> Easter
>>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon get
>>> over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter
> candy
>>> or
>>> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>>>
>>>
> I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't shoot
> bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back started acting up.
> Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally unarmed at the moment. I don't
> eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot Santa Claus either. I do buy Christmas
> presents for the family.
>
> John
>
>
You could put an old burned boot in the fireplace and then apologize to
the kids. That might work for you.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 12:30 pm
From: "John in Mass"
"Hoots" <ratty_dew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d4UCj.9974$%15.594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> John in Mass wrote:
> > "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
> > news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
> >>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> > Easter
> >>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
> >> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T
HONESTLY
> >> PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A SHOTGUN!!! BUT
IN
> >> ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN
THE
> >> CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM
BUYING
> >> CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
> >> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
> >>> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
> >>>> This will put a smile on your face!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
> >>> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter.
I
> >>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> > Easter
> >>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon
get
> >>> over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter
> > candy
> >>> or
> >>> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
> >>>
> >>>
> > I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't
shoot
> > bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back started acting
up.
> > Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally unarmed at the moment. I
don't
> > eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot Santa Claus either. I do buy
Christmas
> > presents for the family.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
>
> You could put an old burned boot in the fireplace and then apologize to
> the kids. That might work for you.
No good. I don't have a fireplace.
John/mass
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 12:32 pm
From: "%"
John in Mass wrote:
> "Hoots" <ratty_dew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4UCj.9974$%15.594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> John in Mass wrote:
>>> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>>>>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be
>>>>> NO Easter this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>>>> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T
>>>> HONESTLY PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A
>>>> SHOTGUN!!! BUT IN ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF
>>>> WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN THE CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA
>>>> CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM BUYING CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>>>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>>>>> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>>>>>> This will put a smile on your face!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>>>>> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before
>>>>> Easter. I bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there
>>>>> will be NO Easter this year. That I got the Easter bunny for
>>>>> dinner. They cry but soon get over it and I save a fortune
>>>>> because I don't have to buy any Easter candy or
>>>>> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't
>>> shoot bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back
>>> started acting up. Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally
>>> unarmed at the moment. I don't eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot
>>> Santa Claus either. I do buy Christmas presents for the family.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You could put an old burned boot in the fireplace and then apologize
>> to the kids. That might work for you.
>
> No good. I don't have a fireplace.
>
> John/mass
move to a place that has one
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 12:54 pm
From: "The English Patient"
"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cvVCj.93420$w57.55858@edtnps90...
> John in Mass wrote:
>> "Hoots" <ratty_dew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d4UCj.9974$%15.594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>> John in Mass wrote:
>>>> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>>>>>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be
>>>>>> NO Easter this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>>>>> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T
>>>>> HONESTLY PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A
>>>>> SHOTGUN!!! BUT IN ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF
>>>>> WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN THE CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA
>>>>> CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM BUYING CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>>>>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>>>>>> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>>>>>>> This will put a smile on your face!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>>>>>> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before
>>>>>> Easter. I bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there
>>>>>> will be NO Easter this year. That I got the Easter bunny for
>>>>>> dinner. They cry but soon get over it and I save a fortune
>>>>>> because I don't have to buy any Easter candy or
>>>>>> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't
>>>> shoot bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back
>>>> started acting up. Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally
>>>> unarmed at the moment. I don't eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot
>>>> Santa Claus either. I do buy Christmas presents for the family.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You could put an old burned boot in the fireplace and then apologize
>>> to the kids. That might work for you.
>>
>> No good. I don't have a fireplace.
>>
>> John/mass
>
>
> move to a place that has one
Trouble is protecting kids from an open fire....I find a portrait of the
Colonel on the mantel piece keeps them away <eg>
>
>
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:33 pm
From: "Big Mikey"
Screw the bunny.
Its the price of eggs that has me pissed off.
I am supposed to be happy because eggs went on sale at Smiths for $1.49/doz?
How much are you guys paying?
--
Big Mikey/The Masarsky Group
"John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>> This will put a smile on your face!
>>
>> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>>
> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO Easter
> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon get
> over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter candy
> or
> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>
>
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:35 pm
From: "Big Mikey"
Hell, I don't. I am scrooge.
But my gentile friends are funnier. They become Jewish during Christmas.
--
Big Mikey/The Masarsky Group
"John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:T0TCj.2873$rR1.962@trndny09...
> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>> > bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> Easter
>> > this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>>
>> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T HONESTLY
>> PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A SHOTGUN!!! BUT
>> IN
>> ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN
>> THE
>> CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM BUYING
>> CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>
>>
>>
>> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>> > "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> > news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>> >> This will put a smile on your face!
>> >>
>> >>
> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>> >>
>> > When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter.
>> > I
>> > bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
> Easter
>> > this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon
>> > get
>> > over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter
> candy
>> > or
>> > baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>> >
>> >
>>
> I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't shoot
> bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back started acting up.
> Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally unarmed at the moment. I
> don't
> eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot Santa Claus either. I do buy
> Christmas
> presents for the family.
>
> John
>
>
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:36 pm
From: "Big Mikey"
You are right!
Ice that silly wabbit!
--
Big Mikey/The Masarsky Group
"The English Patient" <englishpatient74@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:T0TCj.2873$rR1.962@trndny09...
>> "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
>> news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>>> > bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
>> Easter
>>> > this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>>>
>>> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T HONESTLY
>>> PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A SHOTGUN!!! BUT
>>> IN
>>> ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN
>>> THE
>>> CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM
>>> BUYING
>>> CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>>> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>>> > "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>>> >> This will put a smile on your face!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>>> >>
>>> > When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter.
>>> > I
>>> > bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
>> Easter
>>> > this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon
>>> > get
>>> > over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter
>> candy
>>> > or
>>> > baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't shoot
>> bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back started acting
>> up.
>> Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally unarmed at the moment. I
>> don't
>> eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot Santa Claus either. I do buy
>> Christmas
>> presents for the family.
>>
>> John
>
> Shame John, I was just going to email you and take out a contract on the
> Duracell bunny.
> That little fucker keeps going on and on...and running off at the mouth ;)
>>
>>
>
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:42 pm
From: "Big Mikey"
Didn't stop Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction!
But Monte Python got his ass kicked.
And Wild E. Cayote. Roadrunner was just having fun, but Bugs really broke
his balls..
"I hate you, rabbit!---Yosemite Sam
--
Big Mikey/The Masarsky Group
"John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:FtVCj.5612$4q3.2234@trndny02...
> "Hoots" <ratty_dew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4UCj.9974$%15.594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> John in Mass wrote:
>> > "=DR. TTR0UT=" <trout51@tx.1TR.com> wrote in message
>> > news:47dbf5bf$0$6496$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> I go rabbit hunting the day before Easter. I
>> >>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
>> > Easter
>> >>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They
>> >> THAT FAILS TO SURPRIZE THE GOOD OLE =SEN0UR TR0UT=...JUST CAN'T
> HONESTLY
>> >> PICTURE YOU KICKIN BRUSH PILES FOR BUNNIES OR CARRYING A SHOTGUN!!!
>> >> BUT
> IN
>> >> ALL REALITY, THAT 'MENTALLITY' BE A BIG PART OF WHY THIS COUNTRY BE IN
> THE
>> >> CONDITION SHE BE IN... JUST SORTA CURIOUS, WHAT YA DO TO KEEP FROM
> BUYING
>> >> CHRISTMAS GIFTS???
>> >> =SEN0UR TR0UT=
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "John in Mass" <john5240@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:gcSCj.4777$4q3.1388@trndny02...
>> >>> "Kyle" <kyle@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:20080314103222.F35F74E567@outpost.zedz.net...
>> >>>> This will put a smile on your face!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >
> http://revver.com/video/18559/affiliate/169994/the-easter-bunny-hates-you/
>> >>> When Easter is approaching, I go rabbit hunting the day before
>> >>> Easter.
> I
>> >>> bring home a bunny rabbit and tell the kids, that there will be NO
>> > Easter
>> >>> this year. That I got the Easter bunny for dinner. They cry but soon
> get
>> >>> over it and I save a fortune because I don't have to buy any Easter
>> > candy
>> >>> or
>> >>> baskets with that fuzzy stuffing in it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> > I do hope your smart enough to realize that was a joke. No, I don't
> shoot
>> > bunnies...anymore. Gave that up years ago, when my back started acting
> up.
>> > Even sold my shotguns and rifle too. Totally unarmed at the moment. I
> don't
>> > eat Easter bunnies and I don't shoot Santa Claus either. I do buy
> Christmas
>> > presents for the family.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You could put an old burned boot in the fireplace and then apologize to
>> the kids. That might work for you.
>
> No good. I don't have a fireplace.
>
> John/mass
>
>
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TOPIC: Wake up people. The Fed's bailout just cost you personally $2,000.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2dc712cf824f1eb3?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 11:01 am
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> haber14@lycos.com wrote
>>>> Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote
>>>>> habe...@lycos.com wrote
>>>>>> Let that market keep sinking, should be great buys in a couple of months.
>>>>> I've been trying to decide if the lowest point is
>>>>> going to be before the election or after. Any ideas?
>>>> Mid-summer is what I'm hearing.
>> Just plucked out of someone's arse.
>>>> Watch events closely.
>> That doesnt help.
>>>> Personally, I'm concerned that we are at a dead end.
>> The same claim has been made about every
>> downturn, its never been true even of 1929.
>>>> Not many products to sell,
>> Modern first world economys are about a hell of a lot more than just products to sell.
>> There will always be plenty of services to sell.
>>>> rising energy costs,
>> We've survived that fine before.
>>>> a factionalized country,
>> Nothing like as factionalized as it has been in the past and survived fine.
>>>> and an incoming President who will be under heavy attack the minute he is sworn in.
>> No Prez has much to do with the state of the economy, whatever they like to think.
>>> I'd suggest looking how long it took the 1929 market to find bottom.
>> Not relevant. We've worked out how to avoid full depressions.
>>> Look at the desperation in the feds actions for the last two weeks.
>>> Unprecedented bail outs and measures day after day. That's a
>>> dive alarm on the submarine. Prepare to dive. AUUUGA!
>> Lot more viable than the mindless approach taken in 1929 for years.
>>> we're going into a really ugly period.
>> Nope, you watch.
>>> At the risk of sounding too conspiracy minded i would note that the great
>>> depression last time spawned fascist governments around the world.
>> And that wont happen again, because of what happened with those.
>> We wont see communism booming ever again either, you watch.
>>> America is facing the end of empire
>> Nope. The full commercialisation of almost all technology still happens
>> there first, most recently with google, ebay, paypal etc etc etc.
>> Thats not going to stop happening, because of why it still happens.
>>> and has been stepping very close to fascism in the last 7 years.
>> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like fascism.
>> And he's going quietly too, not even the remotest possibility that
>> he will refuse to go and will try to stay in power, even as some
>> like Putin are doing. And if he was stupid enough to try that,
>> he'd be out on his arse so fast he wouldnt know what hit him.
>>> The political risks of this depression (yes D not R)
>> You wouldnt know what a real depression was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> could be far greater than the economics risks.
>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
> And those were fun?
No one said anything about fun.
> Merely surviving is not the goal.
Neither is you mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
> Ah the last of the faithful. Sheesh.
Or someone with a clue, unlike mindless hysterics like you and your ilk.
> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking depression.
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since 1929.
And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did fine regardless.
> Can you see the pyramids from there?
Nope.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 11:23 am
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:01:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>
>> And those were fun?
>
>No one said anything about fun.
>
>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>
>Neither is you mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
LOL. I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are
saying. I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage, "I merely tell them
the truth and they think it's hell".
You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
collapse and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
Hey we've given you a fair warning. You can use it and protect
yourself or continue your denial and get chewed up. I hope you follow
your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 11:30 am
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:01:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking depression.
>
>Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
>There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since 1929.
And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
If you can't small the desperation from the daily Fed gymnastics
you're hopeless.
>
>And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did fine regardless.
Chuckle. What are you smoking? it must be good.
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 12:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>>> And those were fun?
>> No one said anything about fun.
>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
> LOL.
Village eejut immitations cut no mustard.
> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert' that says anything
even remotely resembling anything like your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage, "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
> You can use it and protect yourself
Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
Taint gunna happen, child.
> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your predicament, child.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 12:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking depression.
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since 1929.
> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that we havent had a full depression since that one.
There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
> If you can't small the desperation from the daily Fed gymnastics you're hopeless.
We'll see if we get a full depression, child.
And even if we do, we survived the last one fine.
>> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did fine regardless.
> Chuckle. What are you smoking? it must be good.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
They did see a few suicides, of those who are better off dead anyway.
You should take a leaf from their book, just dont make a mess of the carpet.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 1:11 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:01:19 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>
>>>> And those were fun?
>
>>> No one said anything about fun.
>
>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>
>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
>> LOL.
>
>Village eejut immitations cut no mustard.
Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling. How
feeble.
>
>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>
>You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert' that says anything
>even remotely resembling anything like your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a Research
Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank
of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political Economy major.
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
BArry Rhineholtz -
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
Paul Krugman -
Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
Affairs at Princeton University.
Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At
MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
Nouriel Roubini
* Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
* Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, UK
* Member, Bretton Woods Committee
* Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
International Economy
* Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
International Monetary Fund
I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>
>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage, "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>
>You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
>
>You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>
>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>
>Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>
>Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed a little reality
amongst all you blind worshippers.
>
>> You can use it and protect yourself
>
>Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>
>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>
>Taint gunna happen, child.
>
>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>
>You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your predicament, child.
LOL. Are you even capable of addressing issues or is this mindless
pablum all you've got?
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 1:24 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:05:08 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>
>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking depression.
>
>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since 1929.
>
>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>
>And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that we havent had a full depression since that one.
Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons and dismantled many of
the preventative measures that were put in place when the knowledge
was fresh.
It might just be time for another then, aye? Or are you in the school
of "the fundamentals have changed and we're smarter than that now.
they're always the ones leading us into the next crash.
>There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
Yep. I've noted often that following the fundamentals with a proper
mix of Keynesian and monetarist polices has made recession less
frequent and less severe. But for the past ten years we've abandoned
those fundamentals and deregulated many of the measures taken that
gave us those results.
You're not noticing the new and highly creative things the Fed is
doing this month? That's desperation. they recognize the old tools
have been largely neutralized and are unavailable. They're desperately
scrambling to find some way to hold this all together. It's getting
down to baling wire and duct tape at this point.
For example - the stimulus package is going to return virtually
nothing because we've neutralized it as a tool because of the amount
of our goods and services that come from over seas now. One or two
hops and those dollars are in China, Japan, the UK, Canada, etc. Even
if the work or goods are made or done here, more of the companies
doing it are foreign owned. (www.economyincrisis.org) and the profits
go overseas. This cuts the multiplier considerably (hopefully you've
read enough to know what we're talking about).
Similarly lowering interest rates to increase monetary supply isn't as
useful a tool any more because it only drives the dollar lower, making
oil cost more and pulling foreign investment away from the US (and
foreign investment is almost all that keeping us afloat.) Lowering
dollar and lowering interest rates make Japan and China less
interested in our treasuries, and that's what's financing Bush's
deficit spending and war.
we could go on but an intelligent person will get the idea. Our
customary tools have been broken. The fed is struggling to find ways
that might work. With luck and ingenuity they might manage. But
nothing so far looks near clever enough or effective enough.
But shit idiots like you are still denying we're even in a recession.
And clinging to high school definitions and sloppy logic to pretend
we're not.
SO is this where you talk issues or just cant more denials and names?
Like I have to ask.
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 2:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>>>>> And those were fun?
>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>> LOL.
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
> How feeble.
Yep, you are that in spades.
>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
We'll see...
> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a Research
> Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank
> of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political Economy major.
Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
> BArry Rhineholtz -
> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
> Paul Krugman -
> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
> Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
> Affairs at Princeton University.
Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
> Nouriel Roubini
> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, UK
> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
> International Economy
> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
> International Monetary Fund
Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation.
Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full depression currently.
>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born too thanks, child.
>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your predicament, child.
> LOL.
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
> Are you even capable of addressing issues
You clearly arent, child.
> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've got, the answer is obvious.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 2:43 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>
>>>>>> And those were fun?
>
>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>
>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>
>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
>>>> LOL.
>
>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>
>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>
>Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>
>> How feeble.
>
>Yep, you are that in spades.
>
>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>
>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>
>We'll see...
>
>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a Research
>> Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank
>> of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political Economy major.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert'
LOL.
>//and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>> Paul Krugman -
>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
>> Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
>> Affairs at Princeton University.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert'
LOL. Economics Prof. from Princeton. You're smarter. Got it. it.
>and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>> Nouriel Roubini
>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, UK
>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>> International Economy
>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
>> International Monetary Fund
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert'
LOL.
Maybe you'd like to name your experts? LOL. I know you only consult
yourself.
>and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>
>Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation.
>
>Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full depression currently.
And neither did I moron.
>
>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>
>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
>
>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>
>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>
>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>
>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>
>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>
>Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>
>Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>
>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>
>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>
>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>
>I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born too thanks, child.
>
>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>
>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>
>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>
>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your predicament, child.
>
>> LOL.
>
>Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>
>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>
>You clearly arent, child.
>
>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>
>No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've got, the answer is obvious.
>
I see. You're incapable of talking issues. Got. It. Now fuck off then
child.
You're whole schtick is flat denials and name calling. You have
raised on issue in all of your posts. I'm sorry I wasted time on
you. Ignorance can be corrected, but when you decline that, you're
just stupid. And in your case proud of the stupidity. A perfect
CONservative.
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 2:47 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>
>>>>>> And those were fun?
>
>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>
>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>
>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
>>>> LOL.
>
>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>
>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>
>Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>
>> How feeble.
>
>Yep, you are that in spades.
>
>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>
>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>
>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>
>We'll see...
>
>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a Research
>> Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank
>> of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political Economy major.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>> Paul Krugman -
>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
>> Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
>> Affairs at Princeton University.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>> Nouriel Roubini
>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, UK
>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>> International Economy
>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
>> International Monetary Fund
>
>Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>
>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>
>Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation.
>
>Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full depression currently.
>
>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>
>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
>
>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>
>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>
>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>
>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>
>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>
>Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>
>Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>
>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>
>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>
>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>
>I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born too thanks, child.
>
>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>
>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>
>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>
>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your predicament, child.
>
>> LOL.
>
>Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>
>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>
>You clearly arent, child.
>
>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>
>No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've got, the answer is obvious.
>
Another voice for you to ignore:
Reuters
U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein
Friday March 14, 10:55 am ET
By Ros Krasny
BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a recession
that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National
Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on Friday.
"The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the
risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at
the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.
"There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very
difficult years."
NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of U.S.
business cycles. Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and
former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
>Let me guess -"Not a leading expert".
Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn
could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.
Feldstein said the federal funds rate, the Federal Reserve's benchmark
lending rate, is headed down to 2 percent from the current 3 percent.
He added that lower rates from the Fed would not have the same impact
in the current downturn, in terms of reviving economic activity.
"There isn't much traction in monetary policy these days, I'm afraid,
because of a lack of liquidity in the credit markets," he said.
The Federal Open Market Committee meets on Tuesday to consider its
next step on interest rates. Financial markets currently look for a
rate cut of 75 basis points, to 2.25 percent, with a moderate chance
rates will be slashed 100 basis points.
The Fed's huge new credit facility, announced on Tuesday, "can help in
a rather small way ... but the underlying risks will remain with the
institutions that borrow from the Fed, and this does nothing to change
their capital," Feldstein noted.
Feldstein said the combination of monetary and fiscal stimulus and the
falling dollar "will help to dampen the magnitude of the downturn but
won't be enough to sustain an expansion."
"The housing situation is getting worse by the day," he noted, as more
and more houses drop below 100 percent loan-to-value ratios,
encouraging homeowners to walk away from their properties.
More broadly, in global credit markets, "there is a lack of confidence
leading to a lack of liquidity ... without credit creation, we can't
have economic growth," Feldstein said.
Feldstein noted "powerful forces (that) will continue to drive
inflation higher." And while inflation expectations are still
relatively well contained, "you wonder how long that's going to last,"
he said.
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 2:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking depression.
>>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>>>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since 1929.
>>> And the day before the Oct. 29 crash there were a whole bunch of
>>> cheerleaders like yourself saying "the fundamentals were sound".
>> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
>> that we havent had a full depression since that one.
> Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons
No they havent. The fed is already applying the lessons that were learnt
at that time and is taking the steps we learnt were required to ensure that
we wont have a depression, just like it has quite a few times since 1929.
> and dismantled many of the preventative measures
> that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you cant.
> It might just be time for another then, aye?
Nope. Taint gunna happen, you watch.
> Or are you in the school of "the fundamentals have changed
Nope.
> and we're smarter than that now. they're
> always the ones leading us into the next crash.
How odd that we havent actually had a full depression since 1929.
Thats only a decade short of a full century now.
>> There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
> Yep. I've noted often that following the fundamentals with a proper mix of Keynesian
> and monetarist polices has made recession less frequent and less severe.
And we havent had a full depression for almost a century now.
There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to avoid a depression.
> and deregulated many of the measures taken that gave us those results.
You cant deregulate a measure.
> You're not noticing the new and highly creative things the Fed is doing this month?
Nothing new or highly creative.
> That's desperation.
Nope, entirely appropriate to the current circumstances.
> they recognize the old tools have been largely neutralized and are unavailable.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie. Every single thing that has been done in the
last month is an old tool used again, because it works and will do so again.
> They're desperately scrambling to find some way to hold this all
> together. It's getting down to baling wire and duct tape at this point.
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.
> For example - the stimulus package is going to return virtually
> nothing because we've neutralized it as a tool because of the
> amount of our goods and services that come from over seas now.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The vast bulk of services are STILL provided
locally and so stimulate the economy, just like they have always done.
And while some of the cheap goods come from overseas, a large part
of the stimulus sales of them provide still pays the wages of the moneys
involved in selling them in the US, just like they always have been.
> One or two hops and those dollars are in China, Japan, the UK, Canada, etc.
A small subset of those dollars, actually. And that STILL ensures that china wont
see a full depression either, and thats what matters for the US economy anyway.
> Even if the work or goods are made or done here,
> more of the companies doing it are foreign owned.
Fuck all of them are, actually.
Pure drivel.
> and the profits go overseas.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> This cuts the multiplier considerably
Pigs arse it does since the same mindless pig
ignorant hyperventilation was done about the Japs.
The only thing thats changed is that much more of it ends up in china instead of in japan.
> (hopefully you've read enough to know what we're talking about).
Known what that was about since before you were even born thanks child.
> Similarly lowering interest rates to increase monetary supply
That isnt why interest rates are lowered.
> isn't as useful a tool any more because it only drives the dollar lower,
The dollar is irrelevant to stopping the economy from going into depression.
> making oil cost more and pulling foreign investment away from the US
The US doesnt need foreign investment, stupid.
> (and foreign investment is almost all that keeping us afloat.)
Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> Lowering dollar and lowering interest rates make
> Japan and China less interested in our treasuries,
Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The yuan is close to locked to the
USD. And US interest rates still leave those in Japan for dead.
> and that's what's financing Bush's deficit spending and war.
They get to like that or lump it.
> we could go on but an intelligent person will get the idea.
Only a very stupid person would run those bare faced pig ignorant lies.
> Our customary tools have been broken.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> The fed is struggling to find ways that might work.
Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
The credit crunch is quite different to what was last seen.
The way of dealing with that is necessarily different.
> With luck and ingenuity they might manage.
No might about it, they'll manage fine, just like they have for the last century.
> But nothing so far looks near clever enough or effective enough.
Only in the eyes of pig ignorant fools that dont have a clue about whats actually happening.
> But shit idiots like you are still denying we're even in a recession.
Corse that wouldnt be you doing any name calling, would it hypocrite ?
And I never ever said a word about a recession anyway, liar.
> And clinging to high school definitions and sloppy logic to pretend we're not.
> SO is this where you talk issues or just cant more denials and names?
You in spades, child.
> Like I have to ask.
You in spades, child.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless smaller conflicts.
>>>>>>> And those were fun?
>>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>>>> LOL.
>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>>> How feeble.
>> Yep, you are that in spades.
>>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a
>>> Research Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal
>>> Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political
>>> Economy major.
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
> LOL.
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>> //and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>>> Paul Krugman -
>>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a
>>> columnist on the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor
>>> of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University.
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
> LOL.
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
> Economics Prof. from Princeton.
Just some fool journo.
> You're smarter.
Never ever said that either.
> Got it. it.
Nope, you've got nothing, as always.
>> and he doesnt say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
Closing your eyes to that doesnt make it go away, child.
>>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>>> Nouriel Roubini
>>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, UK
>>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the International Economy
>>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department, International Monetary Fund
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
> LOL.
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
> Maybe you'd like to name your experts?
I wasnt the one stupid enough to lie that leading experts are saying the same thing that fools like you are.
> LOL.
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
> I know you only consult yourself.
You only play with yourself. You'll end up blind if you dont watch out, child.
>> and he doesnt say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
Closing your eyes to that doesnt make it go away, child.
>>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>> Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation.
>> Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full depression currently.
> And neither did I moron.
Pity that other fool you claim are informing us did just that, child.
>>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this collapse
>>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>>>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>> Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>> even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>> Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>> I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born too thanks, child.
>>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>>>> predicament, child.
>>> LOL.
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>> You clearly arent, child.
>>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>> No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've got, the answer is obvious.
> I see.
You're lying, as always.
> You're incapable of talking issues.
You're lying, as always.
> Got. It.
Nope, you never ever manage that either, child.
> Now fuck off then child.
Go and fuck yourself, child.
> You're whole schtick is flat denials and name calling.
You in spades, child.
> You have raised on issue in all of your posts.
You're lying, as always.
<reams of your childish shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Try harder, child. You might actually manage to fool someone, sometime.
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>>>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>
>>>>>>> And those were fun?
>>
>>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>
>>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>
>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>>
>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>>
>>> How feeble.
>>
>> Yep, you are that in spades.
>>
>>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are
>>>>> saying.
>>
>>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a
>>> Research Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal
>>> Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political
>>> Economy major.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>>> Paul Krugman -
>>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
>>> Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
>>> Affairs at Princeton University.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>>> Nouriel Roubini
>>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London,
>>> UK
>>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>>> International Economy
>>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
>>> International Monetary Fund
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>>
>> Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>> hyperventilation.
>>
>> Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full
>> depression currently.
>>
>>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>>
>>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your
>>>> lard arse.
>>
>>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
>>>>> collapse
>>
>>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>>>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>>
>>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>
>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>
>>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>
>>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>
>>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>>
>> Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>> even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>>
>> Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>
>>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>
>>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>
>>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>>
>> I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born
>> too thanks, child.
>>
>>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>
>>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>
>>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>
>>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>>>> predicament, child.
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>>
>>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>>
>> You clearly arent, child.
>>
>>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>>
>> No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've
>> got, the answer is obvious.
> Another voice for you to ignore:
> Reuters
> U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein
> Friday March 14, 10:55 am ET
> By Ros Krasny
> BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a recession
> that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National
> Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on Friday.
Doesnt even say anything about a depression, fuckwit child.
> "The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the
> risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at
> the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.
There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the last century, child.
> "There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very difficult years."
There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the last century, child.
> NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of U.S. business cycles.
Pigs arse it is.
> Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and
> former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
>> Let me guess -"Not a leading expert".
Guess again. Doesnt say anything like your mindless hyperventilation, actually.
Doesnt say a word about any 'broken tools' or any incapacity
of the fed to be able to deal with the current situation either.
Try again, child.
> Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn
> could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.
Nothing like your mindless hyperventilation, child.
> Feldstein said the federal funds rate, the Federal Reserve's benchmark
> lending rate, is headed down to 2 percent from the current 3 percent.
No news. The US economy has survived that in the past, and will do so again, you watch.
> He added that lower rates from the Fed would not have the same
> impact in the current downturn, in terms of reviving economic activity.
We'll see...
> "There isn't much traction in monetary policy these days, I'm afraid,
> because of a lack of liquidity in the credit markets," he said.
Nothing like your pig ignorant claim.
And the fed is doing other things about the lack of liquidity in the credit markets anyway.
> The Federal Open Market Committee meets on Tuesday to consider
> its next step on interest rates. Financial markets currently look for a
> rate cut of 75 basis points, to 2.25 percent, with a moderate chance
> rates will be slashed 100 basis points.
> The Fed's huge new credit facility, announced on Tuesday, "can help in a rather small way ...
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that last bit of that claim.
> but the underlying risks will remain with the institutions that borrow from
> the Fed, and this does nothing to change their capital," Feldstein noted.
That last is just plain wrong. And he didnt 'note', he actually CLAIMED.
> Feldstein said the combination of monetary and fiscal stimulus
> and the falling dollar "will help to dampen the magnitude of the
> downturn but won't be enough to sustain an expansion."
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> "The housing situation is getting worse by the day," he noted,
> as more and more houses drop below 100 percent loan-to-value
> ratios, encouraging homeowners to walk away from their properties.
Thats happened before, and didnt produce the end of
civilisation as we know it, or a full depression either.
> More broadly, in global credit markets, "there is a lack of
> confidence leading to a lack of liquidity ... without credit
> creation, we can't have economic growth," Feldstein said.
He's just plain wrong there too. China will continue to grow, you watch.
And lack of economic growth is nothing like your mindless hyperventilation anyway.
> Feldstein noted "powerful forces (that) will continue to drive inflation higher."
> And while inflation expectations are still relatively well contained, "you
> wonder how long that's going to last," he said.
We've survived MUCH worse inflation in the past and will survive that fine too, you watch.
You can stop hyperventilating now, child.
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 3:48 pm
From: stuff_stuff@comcast.net
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:52:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> and dismantled many of the preventative measures
>> that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
>
>Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you cant.
Oh good lord. How can you be this childish. Go read about the
Glass-Steagall Act. Before that there was the deregulation of the
Savings and Loans. Remember how that worked out? It'\s a long list,
but your not interested in learning and just deny everything so I'm
not going to be your teacher unless you pay the tuition.
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