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TOPIC: The Definition
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:10 pm
From: James Farrar
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:07:50 +0100, "JohnT"
<johnSPAMNOT31@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>"Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:65cji1F2fhvn4U2@mid.individual.net...
>> James Farrar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted
>>>> for very long.
>>>
>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
>>> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>>
>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>>
>
>
>Lend Lease came into effect on 11th March 1941.
Whoops, typo. I meant "after the start of the War".
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>>>>>> Russia actually.
>>>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there
>>>> Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
>>> Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
>>> war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany
>>> 6th April 1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd
>>> September 1939, US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?
>> That particular bit was about WW2. The dead giveaway is the reference
>> to Russia which was never at any risk of becoming Germany in WW1.
>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
> Two years, three months, then.
Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
> (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
Nope, there was plenty of assistence before that that saved the english bacon.
> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
Pity about what preceeded it.
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Ophelia <O@nix.co.uk> wrote
> James Farrar wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
Another pig ignorant lie.
You never did get the bill for what the european war cost the yanks.
They could have chose to tell you stupid europeans that if you wanted to rip
each others throats out, you were welcome to do that for as long as you liked.
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
> Ophelia wrote
>> James Farrar wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
> Is it coincidence that just after we finished paying off the war debt, teh US economy moves into deep recession?
Thats a lie, nothing like that happened.
And no one got to repay the Marshall Plan either.
And no europeans paid the yanks for what the war in europe cost them either.
Unlike what the stupid europeans attempted after WW1 which produced WW2.
== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:18 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> kirjoitti
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> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>> Ophelia wrote
>>> James Farrar wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>>>> very long.
>
>>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>
>>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>
>> Is it coincidence that just after we finished paying off the war debt,
>> teh US economy moves into deep recession?
>
> Thats a lie, nothing like that happened.
>
> And no one got to repay the Marshall Plan either.
>
> And no europeans paid the yanks for what the war in europe cost them
> either.
>
> Unlike what the stupid europeans attempted after WW1 which produced WW2.
>
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:18 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:65creiF2dt8i7U1@mid.individual.net...
> Ophelia <O@nix.co.uk> wrote
>> James Farrar wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>>> very long.
>
>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>
>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>
> Another pig ignorant lie.
>
> You never did get the bill for what the european war cost the yanks.
>
> They could have chose to tell you stupid europeans that if you wanted to
> rip
> each others throats out, you were welcome to do that for as long as you
> liked.
>
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:18 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:65craiF2fpmqgU1@mid.individual.net...
> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>
>>>>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>>>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>
>>>>>>> Russia actually.
>
>>>>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here
>>>>>> and there
>
>>>>> Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
>
>>>> Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
>>>> war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany
>>>> 6th April 1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd
>>>> September 1939, US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?
>
>>> That particular bit was about WW2. The dead giveaway is the reference
>>> to Russia which was never at any risk of becoming Germany in WW1.
>
>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>> very long.
>
>> Two years, three months, then.
>
> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
>
>> (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
>
> Nope, there was plenty of assistence before that that saved the english
> bacon.
>
>> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>
> Pity about what preceeded it.
>
== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:19 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"James Farrar" <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:6nd2v3lsl7dd7ileu2sb786elhc2ieldg8@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:07:50 +0100, "JohnT"
> <johnSPAMNOT31@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>"Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:65cji1F2fhvn4U2@mid.individual.net...
>>> James Farrar wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted
>>>>> for very long.
>>>>
>>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
>>>> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>>>
>>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>>>
>>
>>
>>Lend Lease came into effect on 11th March 1941.
>
> Whoops, typo. I meant "after the start of the War".
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:19 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:65cr5pF2ejs8tU1@mid.individual.net...
> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Peter Bruells <usernet@rogue.de> wrote
>>>>>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thisisf@lse.co.ck> writes
>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>>>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>>>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>>>>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>
>>>>>>>> Russia actually.
>
>>>>>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a
>>>>>>> bit here and there (together with other armies of course).
>
>>>>>> The Canadians also get forgotten.
>
>>>>> Without the yanks, they wouldnt have been able to do anything much.
>
>>>> Without the Yanks, they wouldn't have NEEDED to do anything much ;-)
>
>>> Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.
>
>>> Until Pearl Harbor, the yanks basically hoped that the stupid
>>> europeans would just rip each others throats out, yet again.
>
>> While they sat back waiting to see which winner they colod make a profit
>> out of.
>
> Another pig ignorant lie. If that had been what it was about, they would
> have demanded cash
> up front and not had lend lease where the loser could avoid paying for
> what they had got.
>
> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we
> wouldnt
> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as
> well.
>
== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:24 pm
From: "Ophelia"
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> James Farrar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted
>>>> for very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>>
>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>>
>>
> Is it coincidence that just after we finished paying off the war debt,
> teh US economy moves into deep recession?
Well it's a thought!!
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:29 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> kirjoitti
viestissä:65cscgF2fjibcU2@mid.individual.net...
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> James Farrar wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted
>>>>> for very long.
>>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>>>
>>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
>>>
>>>
>> Is it coincidence that just after we finished paying off the war debt,
>> teh US economy moves into deep recession?
>
> Well it's a thought!!
>
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:32 pm
From: "William Black"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:65cr5pF2ejs8tU1@mid.individual.net...
> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we
> wouldnt
> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as
> well.
No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:33 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> kirjoitti
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:65cr5pF2ejs8tU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we
>> wouldnt
>> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as
>> well.
>
> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
>
> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>
> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>
> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>
> --
> William Black
>
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
>
>
>
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:34 pm
From: "William Black"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>> very long.
>
>> Two years, three months, then.
>
> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
So, suggest a credible end to the war.
No invasion is possible.
After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
nobody prepared to surrender.
Where does the UK go without US support?
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:34 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> kirjoitti
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:65craiF2fpmqgU1@mid.individual.net...
>> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>>> very long.
>>
>>> Two years, three months, then.
>>
>> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
>
> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
>
> No invasion is possible.
>
> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
> nobody prepared to surrender.
>
> Where does the UK go without US support?
>
> --
> William Black
>
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
>
>
>
>
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt
>> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as well.
> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
Irrelevant to that ensuring that there wouldnt be WW3 a generation later.
> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
Pity about Lend-Lease which left it for dead.
Pity about the yanks choosing to deal with Europe first, even tho they
had experience much more of a direct problem for themselves with Japan.
> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
Pig ignorant lie. You never got billed for the total cost
of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
You never got billed in full for what the yanks spend to save your bacon in WW1 either.
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then.
>> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
You lot put your hands up when you realise that the yanks arent going to bail you out.
> No invasion is possible.
Pig ignorant lie. In spades if Adolf hadnt been stupid enough to invade russia that early.
> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's nobody prepared to surrender.
There would have been plenty if the yanks had told you lot that you were
doomed and that they werent prepared to send you a damned thing
without payment in cas up front because your prospects were so pathetic.
> Where does the UK go without US support?
They put their hands up, just like Holland and France etc did.
Adolf would certainly have been prepared to accept an amicable ceasefire, but its likely that
the english would have been too stupid to do that if the yanks had told them to get fucked.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges
>>>>>>> bring it up to $17.88.
>>>>>> A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the broadband does go down.
>>>>> Unless you're within 14,000 feet of <something> you can't get DSL,
>>>> Wrong.
>>> What yo you think the maximum distance is?
>> I know there is no maximum distance.
> http://www.dslreports.com/distance
Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
And says just what I said.
> http://www.tribcsp.com/faq-dsl.php
Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
And doesnt conflict with what I said.
> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/01/double.dsl.idg/index.html
Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
> http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010108/010108_telecom_distance.htm
Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
>>>>> and when you can it's still pitifully slow.
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>> BTW, you can't get naked DSL here, you have to buy local phone
>>>>> service ($17.88 minimum) and then add DSL on top of that.
>>>> You still benefit from not having to pay any call charges,
>>>> and its available to fall back to if the DSL goes down.
>>>>> And we can't get REAL high-deductible medical insurance either.
>>>> Because you lot were stupid enough to not force your politicians to allow that.
>>>>> Isn't political bribery wonderful?
>>>> Nothing wonderful about clowns like you lot that cant even
>>>> manage to elect those who will deliver what you want.
>>>>>> Mine doesnt go down every year now, and when it does, its usually not during the time I even want to make phone
>>>>>> calls, because everyone is asleep.
>>>>> We don't lose power that often, but having to re-set all the clocks is a real pain.
>>>> That was a comment on the broadband, not the power.
>>>> Anyone with a clue synchs the clocks using the net.
>>>>>> So voip at no hardware cost whatever makes a lot more sense than
>>>>>> penny-a-minute long distance cards.
>>>>> Hardware is cheap or free. Monthly charges are not.
>>>> Anyone with a clue uses voip with no monthly charges.
>>>>>>> If I select measured (limited) service I can save maybe
>>>>>>> $3/month, which makes no difference when you add in the
>>>>>>> additional charges for what would be your normal phone usage.
>>>>>> Another good reason for choosing to use voip alone for a
>>>>>> residential user who can use a cellphone if the broadband is down and you need to make a phone call while its
>>>>>> down and when you are out of the house etc.
>>>>> That's only for the profligate people who use hundreds of cell minutes a month.
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>> I can make voip calls using my cellphone too, so even if the
>>>>>> broadband is down, I just yawn and use the cellphone instead.
>>>>> Profligate, just as I said.
>>>> Wrong, just as I said.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:43 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges
>>>>>>>> bring it up to $17.88.
>
>>>>>>> A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the broadband does go down.
>
>>>>>> Unless you're within 14,000 feet of <something> you can't get DSL,
>
>>>>> Wrong.
>
>>>> What yo you think the maximum distance is?
>
>>> I know there is no maximum distance.
>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/distance
>
> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
> And says just what I said.
You said there is no maximum distance. The link says:
CLECs and ILECs work from distance estimates or actual checks before
accepting an order. Here is what we know of the distance limits they
work by. If you have more information specific to a provider, please
feel free to add it below, or if you can confirm more provider limits,
please talkback here: Distance remarks Read [17286]
>
>> http://www.tribcsp.com/faq-dsl.php
>
> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
> And doesnt conflict with what I said.
You said there are no distance limits. The link says:
Distance is measured by the length of the cable that twists and turns
underground - not as the crow flies. The limitations are different for
the different types of DSL. The distance limit for ADSL is typically
18,000 feet or approximately 3 miles.
>
>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/01/double.dsl.idg/index.html
>
> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
Actually it says:
.
The repeater sits in the middle of a long line between HDSL2 modems and
regenerates the dying HDSL2 signal, which peters out as lines lengthen.
Without a repeater, customer sites must be within 12,000 feet of the
switching office. The repeater pushes that distance to 24,000 feet
>
>> http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010108/010108_telecom_distance.htm
>
> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
Actually it says:
mpass about 80 percent of its customer base.
According to SBC spokesperson Shawn Dainas, outfitting the gateways with
DSL puts most customers within 12,000 feet of the neighborhood gateway,
giving SBC the ability to offer DSL speeds of 1.5 megabits per second
downstream and 6 Mbps upstream.
>
> No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
No surprise that with your inability to comprehend what you read or
admit error you are a career welfare leech.
>
>>>>>> and when you can it's still pitifully slow.
>
>>>>> Wrong.
>
>>>>>> BTW, you can't get naked DSL here, you have to buy local phone
>>>>>> service ($17.88 minimum) and then add DSL on top of that.
>
>>>>> You still benefit from not having to pay any call charges,
>>>>> and its available to fall back to if the DSL goes down.
>
>>>>>> And we can't get REAL high-deductible medical insurance either.
>
>>>>> Because you lot were stupid enough to not force your politicians to allow that.
>
>>>>>> Isn't political bribery wonderful?
>
>>>>> Nothing wonderful about clowns like you lot that cant even
>>>>> manage to elect those who will deliver what you want.
>
>>>>>>> Mine doesnt go down every year now, and when it does, its usually not during the time I even want to make phone
>>>>>>> calls, because everyone is asleep.
>
>>>>>> We don't lose power that often, but having to re-set all the clocks is a real pain.
>
>>>>> That was a comment on the broadband, not the power.
>
>>>>> Anyone with a clue synchs the clocks using the net.
>
>>>>>>> So voip at no hardware cost whatever makes a lot more sense than
>>>>>>> penny-a-minute long distance cards.
>
>>>>>> Hardware is cheap or free. Monthly charges are not.
>
>>>>> Anyone with a clue uses voip with no monthly charges.
>
>>>>>>>> If I select measured (limited) service I can save maybe
>>>>>>>> $3/month, which makes no difference when you add in the
>>>>>>>> additional charges for what would be your normal phone usage.
>
>>>>>>> Another good reason for choosing to use voip alone for a
>>>>>>> residential user who can use a cellphone if the broadband is down and you need to make a phone call while its
>>>>>>> down and when you are out of the house etc.
>
>>>>>> That's only for the profligate people who use hundreds of cell minutes a month.
>
>>>>> Wrong.
>
>>>>>>> I can make voip calls using my cellphone too, so even if the
>>>>>>> broadband is down, I just yawn and use the cellphone instead.
>
>>>>>> Profligate, just as I said.
>
>>>>> Wrong, just as I said.
>
>
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges
>>>>>>>>> bring it up to $17.88.
>>>>>>>> A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the broadband does go down.
>>>>>>> Unless you're within 14,000 feet of <something> you can't get DSL,
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>> What yo you think the maximum distance is?
>>>> I know there is no maximum distance.
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/distance
>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>> And says just what I said.
> You said there is no maximum distance.
And there clearly isnt as every single one of your cites makes very clear indeed.
In spades with the last two.
> The link says:
> CLECs and ILECs work from distance estimates or actual checks before accepting an order. Here is what we know of the
> distance limits they work by. If you have more information specific to a provider, please feel free to add it below,
> or if you can confirm more provider limits, please talkback here: Distance remarks Read [17286]
Thats not saying there is a single maximum distance that applys to all DSL providers, cretin.
And it clearly shows a table where the distance varys with provider, fuckwit.
>>> http://www.tribcsp.com/faq-dsl.php
>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>> And doesnt conflict with what I said.
> You said there are no distance limits.
And there clearly isnt as every single one of your cites makes very clear indeed.
In spades with the last two.
> The link says:
> Distance is measured by the length of the cable that twists and turns underground - not as the crow flies. The
> limitations are different for the different types of DSL. The distance limit for ADSL is typically 18,000 feet or
> approximately 3 miles.
And the other cites clearly show that there is no absolute limit of 18,000 feet, fuckwit.
And the word TYPICALLY is there for a reason, fool.
>>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/01/double.dsl.idg/index.html
>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
> Actually it says:
> The repeater sits in the middle of a long line between HDSL2 modems
> and regenerates the dying HDSL2 signal, which peters out as lines
> lengthen. Without a repeater, customer sites must be within 12,000 feet of the switching office. The repeater pushes
> that distance to 24,000 feet
So clearly there is no maximum distance when repeaters can be used, fuckwit.
>>> http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010108/010108_telecom_distance.htm
>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
> Actually it says:
> mpass about 80 percent of its customer base.
Pity about the other 20%, fuckwit.
> According to SBC spokesperson Shawn Dainas, outfitting the gateways
> with DSL puts most customers within 12,000 feet of the neighborhood
> gateway, giving SBC the ability to offer DSL speeds of 1.5 megabits
> per second downstream and 6 Mbps upstream.
Doesnt say a damned thing about any absolute distance limit, fuckwit.
>> No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
> No surprise that with your inability to comprehend what you read
I comprehended all that shit you cited fine thanks, fuckwit. Unlike you.
> or admit error
Not a single error of mine to admit there, fuckwit.
Every single cite of your SUPPORTED what I said, that Bev's distance is just
plain wrong and that there is no single maximum distance for DSL, fuckwit.
No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:31 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges
>>>>>>>>>> bring it up to $17.88.
>
>>>>>>>>> A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the broadband does go down.
>
>>>>>>>> Unless you're within 14,000 feet of <something> you can't get DSL,
>
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>
>>>>>> What yo you think the maximum distance is?
>
>>>>> I know there is no maximum distance.
>
>>>> http://www.dslreports.com/distance
>
>>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
>>> And says just what I said.
>
>> You said there is no maximum distance.
>
> And there clearly isnt as every single one of your cites makes very clear indeed.
>
> In spades with the last two.
>
>> The link says:
>
>> CLECs and ILECs work from distance estimates or actual checks before accepting an order. Here is what we know of the
>> distance limits they work by. If you have more information specific to a provider, please feel free to add it below,
>> or if you can confirm more provider limits, please talkback here: Distance remarks Read [17286]
>
> Thats not saying there is a single maximum distance that applys to all DSL providers, cretin.
>
> And it clearly shows a table where the distance varys with provider, fuckwit.
>
>>>> http://www.tribcsp.com/faq-dsl.php
>
>>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
>>> And doesnt conflict with what I said.
>
>> You said there are no distance limits.
>
> And there clearly isnt as every single one of your cites makes very clear indeed.
>
> In spades with the last two.
>
>> The link says:
>
>> Distance is measured by the length of the cable that twists and turns underground - not as the crow flies. The
>> limitations are different for the different types of DSL. The distance limit for ADSL is typically 18,000 feet or
>> approximately 3 miles.
>
> And the other cites clearly show that there is no absolute limit of 18,000 feet, fuckwit.
>
> And the word TYPICALLY is there for a reason, fool.
>
>>>> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/01/double.dsl.idg/index.html
>
>>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
>>> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
>
>> Actually it says:
>
>> The repeater sits in the middle of a long line between HDSL2 modems
>> and regenerates the dying HDSL2 signal, which peters out as lines
>> lengthen. Without a repeater, customer sites must be within 12,000 feet of the switching office. The repeater pushes
>> that distance to 24,000 feet
>
> So clearly there is no maximum distance when repeaters can be used, fuckwit.
>
>>>> http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010108/010108_telecom_distance.htm
>
>>> Doesnt say anything like what Bev said.
>
>>> And in fact says precisely what I said, that there is no absolute maximum distance.
>
>> Actually it says:
>
>> mpass about 80 percent of its customer base.
>
> Pity about the other 20%, fuckwit.
>
>> According to SBC spokesperson Shawn Dainas, outfitting the gateways
>> with DSL puts most customers within 12,000 feet of the neighborhood
>> gateway, giving SBC the ability to offer DSL speeds of 1.5 megabits
>> per second downstream and 6 Mbps upstream.
>
> Doesnt say a damned thing about any absolute distance limit, fuckwit.
>
>>> No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
>
>> No surprise that with your inability to comprehend what you read
>
> I comprehended all that shit you cited fine thanks, fuckwit. Unlike you.
>
>> or admit error
>
> Not a single error of mine to admit there, fuckwit.
>
> Every single cite of your SUPPORTED what I said, that Bev's distance is just
> plain wrong and that there is no single maximum distance for DSL, fuckwit.
Initial Rod Speed claim:There is no maximum distance, period.
Rod Speed after links are posted showing maximum distances:The links
support his claim.
Ros Speed after the text from those links showing maximum distances
are posted: No, I never said that, I said there was no single maximum
distance.
>
> No surprise that the best you can manage is race track bum.
No surprise that the best you can manage is being a welfare leech.
Come on, Rod, admit your failure with he paper bag and toilet bots.
>
>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 12:50 pm
From: max
In article <DCZHj.2461$lV1.1146@trndny06>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:betatron-66E278.09233228032008@news.ftupet.com...
> > In article <47ec3816$0$6138$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I bet he's not listening. He's also spammed a bunch of other groups, and
> >> I've lampooned him there, too. He's never replied to me.
> >
> >
> > I guess mormons aren't big on Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness.
> > Perhaps the 10 commandments only apply between fellow mormons? How very
> > islamofacist of you.
> >
> > You are credit to your faith, and an example to us all.
> >
> > .max
> >
>
> i thought he was referring to the muslim op, who, afaict, justs posts and
> probably never reads.
... then perhaps i should consider the possibility of conditionally
apologizing...
.max
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:14 pm
From: Dennis
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:09:10 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>but parents don't OWE their kids a college education. in fact, it may just
>be in the
>child's benefit to pretty much pay for their own college. makes them
>appreciate it
>more and working keeps them too busy to party and get into trouble.
>
Hmm, maybe I was an over-acheiver -- I managed to work my way through
college AND party and get into trouble! ;-)
Dennis (evil)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 1:29 pm
From: Lookout
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:01:13 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> catchme <someone@somewhere.net> wrote
>>>> Tralfamador wrote
>>>>> catchme wrote
>
>>>>>> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of the Universe."
>
>>> Thats not an athiest, stupid.
>
>>>>>> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
>>>>>> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his beliefs.
>
>> Not me. You must mean my troll. Looks like he's gone now.
>
>>> He can claim anything he likes. He was actually stupid enough to
>>> claim that god does not play dice with the universe. God may well
>>> not, but something clearly does, most obviously with radioactive decay.
>
>> Again, that must be my troll because I never said or implied that.
>
>That was a comment about what Einstein said,
>not a comment about what any poster here said.
>
>>>>> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
>>>>> have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
>>>>> religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of
>>>>> the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
>
>>> That aint religion.
>
>>>>> I believe in Spinoza's God
>
>>> So he aint an atheist.
>
>>>>> who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in
>>>>> a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human
>>>>> beings. (Albert Einstein)
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>>>>> The Jewish tradition also contains something else, something which
>>>>> finds splendid expression in many of the Psalms, namely, a sort of
>>>>> intoxicated joy and amazement at the beauty and grandeur of this
>>>>> world, of which man can form just a faint notion. This joy is the
>>>>> feeling from which true scientific research draws its spiritual
>>>>> sustenance, but which also seems to find expression in the song of
>>>>> birds. To tack this feeling to the idea of God seems mere childish
>>>>> absurdity. (Albert Einstein, 1934)
>
>>> It is indeed.
>>>
>>>> everytime i read someone like Einstein, I am led to a greater
>>>> recognisance of my own beliefs.
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>>>> When I say this, I mean that I am constantly evaluating, and
>>>> adapting- I am a thinking person, and therefore on occasion i am
>>>> bound to recognise a flaw in my values.
>
>>> But you dont even notice the crutch you are reaching for.
>
>>>> Much of my own religion (i.e. on spirituality and respect for Nature)
>>>> is on similiar terms with Einstein, save that i belive as aristotle, in
>>>> seeking out one's own truth- and therefore I imagine a God much
>>>> diferent from Einstein and that of Organised Religion- a God who is
>>>> (for the most part) as disaffected with Humanity as we would be
>>>> with an ant farm.
>
>>> Just the crutch you need.
>
>>>> I dont fear God- not in the sense that if i commit a sin, im going to die.
>
>>> Few religions run that line.
>
>>>> In the greater sense, that what was made can be undone by the
>>>> merest whisper of a whim from a Superior Being...this i fear.
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>>>> But why create the Universe at all?
>
>>> Yep, thats the obvious flaw in your crutch.
>
>>>> If you were God, how else could you prove your power, if there was
>>>> no one to witness it? God's fear is that of being alone.
>
>>> Mindlessly silly.
>
>>>> Therefore he needs us and we need Him. Whatever name you call him,
>>>> he does not care. Likely he will answer to every religious belief.
>
>>> Just another mindless crutch.
>
>>>> http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
>
>>>> The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical.
>
>>> Only for the terminally wooly minded fools.
>
>>>> It is the sower of all true science.
>
>>> Wrong.
>
>>>> He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and
>>>> stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.
>
>>> Mindlessly silly.
>
>>>> To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting
>>>> itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our
>>>> dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this
>>>> knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness. (
>>>> Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)
>
>>> Just another crutch.
>
>>>> My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely
>>>> superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our
>>>> weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality.
>>>> Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
>>>> (Albert Einstein,The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh
>>>> Hoffman, Princeton University Press)
>
>>>> but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist
>>>> whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the
>>>> fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth.
>
>>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
>>>> I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of
>>>> our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>
>>> Your problem.
>
>>>> I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that
>>>> pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human
>>>> mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it
>>>> conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand
>>>> dimensions are as one? (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton
>>>> University Press, 2000 p. 208)
>
>>> Just another complete wank.
>
>>>> Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same
>>>> as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same
>>>> source .
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres.
>
>>> There is no music of the spheres.
>
>>>> (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)
>
>>>> In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited
>>>> human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say
>>>> there is no God.
>
>>> Must be one of those rocket scientist wankers.
>
>>>> But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support
>>>> for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton
>>>> University Press, p. 214)
>
>>> Your problem.
>
>>>> In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to
>>>> awaken this religious feeling and keep it alive in those who are
>>>> receptive to it. (Albert Einstein, 1930)
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>>>> also:
>>>> No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus.
>
>>> Trouble is that all that proves is what a fool he was.
>
>>>> His personality pulsates in every word.
>
>>> True of all the other fools that have started other religions too.
>
>>>> No myth is filled with such life."
>
>>> What he was stupid enough to believe is the myth.
>
>>> And he was stupid enough to get nailed up by the romans.
>
>>>> "To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is
>>>> something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity
>>>> reaches us only indirectly, this is religiousness."
>
>>> Just another mindlessly silly wank, actually.
>
>>>> (What I Believe, 1930)
>
>>> Pffft.
>
>> Don't forget Einstein was wrong about the expanding universe theory,
>> even made up a "universal constant" to hide his mistake. It took Hubble
>> viewing Andromeda to make Einstein rethink and admit he was wrong.
>
>Sure, but at least he did admit he was wrong.
>
And he's wrong on a living god.
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