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TOPIC: Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 12:57 am
From: Donna Ohl
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:54:18 GMT, John wrote:
> Hello Donna, you seem to have learnt quite a surprsing amount.
Hello John,
I wonder why intelligence bothers you so very much.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:13 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Donna Ohl wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:54:18 GMT, John wrote:
> > Hello Donna, you seem to have learnt quite a surprsing amount.
>
> Hello John,
> I wonder why intelligence bothers you so very much.
Donna, some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:12 am
From: Donna Ohl
You were right! It was the crud in the solonoid (plus a frozen motor)!
Thanks to everyone here, I was able to fix the dishwasher clog caused by
all the debris that came out of the water heater repair. Complete pictures,
as always, are posted.
For example, so the next person benefits, please see the updated pictures
of the tremendous amount of dishwasher sand in the mesh filter cup inside
the blue "solonoid" at the bottom left of the GE Nautilus dishwasher.See
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl
At first, I checked and cleaned the "air gap" as many recommended (this
caused a flood as the airgap had a plug of its own that I forgot to put
back once I got the dishwasher working). Without that cap on the air gap,
water shoots up six inches all over the countertop as shown in the photos I
uploaded so the next person benefits.
As for teh solonoid, I unplugged the power and removed the four 8mm screws
holding the blue solonoid together and water splashed all over the place,
this time on the floor as the water supply must be turned off. I got the
camera all wet trying to take a shot of THAT fiasco for you boys!
Nonetheless, I did take a good shot of the horribly clogged mesh filter
that was inside the solonoid. This wasn't the only culprit though. The
motor in the middle on the bottom wouldn't start. I guess it has been
turned off for so long it froze shut. I had to oil it and cajole it into
spinning with a screwdriver but it finally worked and now the dishwasher
has gone through two cycles and it seems to be repaired.
Thank God 'cuz I can't figure out how to remove it from the kitchen (see
the photos of the screws that were holding it in that are tiled over on the
top so they will never come out). Who builds these things that way anyway?
Donna
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 2:03 am
From: Donna Ohl
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:13:01 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Donna, some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope.
Thanks for the kind words Michael.
I think it bothers them that anyone could learn as much as I did from you
guys and that we could solve the problem together, even though it took a
while.
Here, for example, is my picture today where I finally got the courage to
take the blue dishwasher solonoid apart and you guys were right! The filter
was completely clogged with sand!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/2336387621_7655ae468a_m.jpg
Without your advice, I would never have been able to know what to take
apart to find the problem!
I hope, by posting the pictures and describing what we've learned together,
that the next person reading this who has a clogged dishwasher after doing
a water heater repair, will know exactly what to do!
Donna
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:13 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote
> Guv Bob <brotherdave@bigfootYEEEEEEEOW.com> wrote
>> <Noveau67@aol.com> wrote
>>> Yep, another " Walk in, make a lot of quick money legally but unethically,
>>> then walk out and laugh when the taxpayers get screwed once again".
>>> And nobody in power seems to care.
>> Nobody cares about you, Noveau the Dumb.
> It's called socalizing the cost, and privatizing the profits.
Its actually called avoiding a full depression, fool.
> Nothing like it for ripping off the dumb ass public. Go Bush.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <6438biF29gdrsU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a
>>>>> recession that could be "substantially more severe" than recent
>>>>> ones, National Bureau of Economic Research President Martin
>>>>> Feldstein said on Friday.
>>
>>>> Doesnt even say anything about a depression, fuckwit child.
>>
>>>>> "The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and
>>>>> the risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a
>>>>> speech at the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton,
>>>>> Florida.
>>
>>>> There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the
>>>> last century, child.
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> Damn you can be stupid.
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> That "mindless hyperventilation" is coming from
>>> NBER President Martin Feldman you moron.
>>
>> There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the
>> last century, fuckwit.
>>
>> Plenty from those with much better credentials that that particular
>> one too.
>>
>>> He is currently the George F. Baker Professor of Economics at
>>> Harvard University,
>>
>> Well whoopy fucking do. Wouldnt be the first time some Harvard
>> professor of economics has got it just plain wrong, fuckwit.
>>
>>> and the president and CEO of the National Bureau of Economic
>>> Research (NBER).
>>
>> Well whoopy fucking do. Wouldnt be the first time one of those has
>> got it just plain wrong, fuckwit.
>>
>>> From 1982 to 1984, Feldstein served as chairman
>>> of the Council of Economic Advisers and as chief
>>> economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
>>
>> And we all know how comprehensively that fool
>> Raygun fucked things up economically, fuckwit.
>>
>>> But I understand he doesn't conform with your need for denial.
>>
>> Nothing to deny yet, fuckwit.
>>
>> Bet it turns out to be nothing like as bad as he mindlessly
>> hyperventilates, and even he said nothing like your mindless pig
>> ignorantly stupid claim that the fed has no tools available anymore
>> anyway.
>>
>>> But damn at some point someone has to be able to
>>> hammer a simple fact through that dense skull of yours.
>>
>> You dont actually have a single FACT, fuckwit.
>>
>> Just a CLAIM, a different matter entirely.
>>
>>> More news today:
>>
>>> http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080314131851.aspx
>>> Not Just Recession, Clinton Appointee Talking 'Depression'
>>> Former Labor Secretary Reich: 'I Think There's a 20 Percent Chance
>>> of a Depression'
>>
>> Which is nothing like your previous mindless hyperventilation that a
>> full depression is absolutely certain.
>>
>> And that fool cant explain why we havent had a full depression for
>> almost a century now anyway.
>>
>>> By Jeff Poor
>>> Business & Media Institute
>>> 3/14/2008 1:21:16 PM
>>
>>> Many economists warn of tough economic times,
>>
>> Nothing like your mindless hyperventilation.
>>
>>> but former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich doesn't
>>> just warn of a "recession," he warns of a "depression."
>>
>> And it remains to be seen if he has got that right.
>>
>> And its just a bit odd that Benanki doesnt say anything like that.
>>
>>> "I think there's a 20 percent chance of a depression,"
>>> Reich said to the Business & Media Institute on March 14.
>>
>> And it remains to be seen if that predication is anything more than
>> just another
>> fool that ends up with egg all over its face, just like all the
>> other ones that have
>> said that sort of thing repeatedly since 1929, who have ALL got egg
>> all over their silly little faces very comprehensively indeed.
> Citation fuckwit.
After you, fuckwit.
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:14 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <643068F298e4gU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>>>>>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>
>>>>>>>>> And those were fun?
>>
>>>>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>
>>>>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>>>>>> LOL.
>>
>>>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>>>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>>
>>>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>>
>>>>> How feeble.
>>
>>>> Yep, you are that in spades.
>>
>>>>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are
>>>>>>> saying.
>>
>>>>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>>>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>>>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>>>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>>>>
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>>>>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a
>>>>> Research Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal
>>>>> Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political
>>>>> Economy major.
>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>>>>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>>>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>>> //and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>>>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>>>>> Paul Krugman -
>>>>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a
>>>>> columnist on the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor
>>>>> of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University.
>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> Economics Prof. from Princeton.
>>
>> Just some fool journo.
>>
>>> You're smarter.
>>
>> Never ever said that either.
>>
>>> Got it. it.
>>
>> Nope, you've got nothing, as always.
>>
>>>> and he doesnt say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>>>> hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>> Closing your eyes to that doesnt make it go away, child.
>>
>>>>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>>>>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>>>>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>>>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>>>>> Nouriel Roubini
>>>>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>>>>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research,
>>>>> London, UK
>>>>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>>>>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>>>>> International Economy
>>>>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs
>>>>> Department, International Monetary Fund
>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert'
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> Maybe you'd like to name your experts?
>>
>> I wasnt the one stupid enough to lie that leading experts are saying
>> the same thing that fools like you are.
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> I know you only consult yourself.
>>
>> You only play with yourself. You'll end up blind if you dont watch
>> out, child.
>>
>>>> and he doesnt say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>>>> hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>> Closing your eyes to that doesnt make it go away, child.
>>
>>>>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>>
>>>> Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>>>> hyperventilation.
>>
>>>> Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full
>>>> depression currently.
>>
>>> And neither did I moron.
>>
>> Pity that other fool you claim are informing us did just that, child.
>>
>>>>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>>
>>>>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your
>>>>>> lard arse.
>>
>>>>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
>>>>>>> collapse
>>
>>>>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even
>>>>>> remotely resembling anything like that with the sub prime
>>>>>> fiasco, liar.
>>
>>>>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>
>>>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>
>>>>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>
>>>>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>
>>>>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>>>>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>>
>>>> Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>>>> even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>>
>>>> Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>
>>>>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>
>>>>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>
>>>>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>>
>>>> I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even
>>>> born too thanks, child.
>>
>>>>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>
>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>
>>>>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>
>>>>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>>>>>> predicament, child.
>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>
>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>>
>>>>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>>
>>>> You clearly arent, child.
>>
>>>>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>>
>>>> No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've
>>>> got, the answer is obvious.
>>
>>> I see.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> You're incapable of talking issues.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> Got. It.
>>
>> Nope, you never ever manage that either, child.
>>
>>> Now fuck off then child.
>>
>> Go and fuck yourself, child.
>>
>>> You're whole schtick is flat denials and name calling.
>>
>> You in spades, child.
>>
>>> You have raised on issue in all of your posts.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>> <reams of your childish shit any 2 year old could leave for dead
>> flushed where it belongs>
>>
>> Try harder, child. You might actually manage to fool someone,
>> sometime.
> He fooled me.
No surprises there...
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:16 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <6430spF2ae63nU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>>>>>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And those were fun?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>
>>>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>>>
>>>>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>>>>
>>>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>>>>
>>>>> How feeble.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, you are that in spades.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are
>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>
>>>>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>>>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>>>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>>>
>>>>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>>>>
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>>>>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a
>>>>> Research Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal
>>>>> Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political
>>>>> Economy major.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>>>>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>>>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>>>>> Paul Krugman -
>>>>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on
>>>>> the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and
>>>>> International Affairs at Princeton University.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>>>>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>>>>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>>>>> Nouriel Roubini
>>>>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>>>>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London,
>>>>> UK
>>>>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>>>>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>>>>> International Economy
>>>>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs
>>>>> Department, International Monetary Fund
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>>>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>>>>
>>>> Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>>>> hyperventilation.
>>>>
>>>> Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full
>>>> depression currently.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your
>>>>>> lard arse.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
>>>>>>> collapse
>>>>
>>>>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even
>>>>>> remotely resembling anything like that with the sub prime
>>>>>> fiasco, liar.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>>>
>>>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>>>
>>>>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>>>>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>>>>
>>>> Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>>>> even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>>>>
>>>> Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>>>
>>>>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>>>
>>>>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>>>>
>>>> I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even
>>>> born too thanks, child.
>>>>
>>>>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>>>
>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>>>
>>>>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>>>>>> predicament, child.
>>>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>>>>
>>>>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>>>>
>>>> You clearly arent, child.
>>>>
>>>>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>>>>
>>>> No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've
>>>> got, the answer is obvious.
>>
>>> Another voice for you to ignore:
>>> Reuters
>>> U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein
>>> Friday March 14, 10:55 am ET
>>> By Ros Krasny
>>
>>> BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a recession
>>> that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National
>>> Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on
>>> Friday.
>>
>> Doesnt even say anything about a depression, fuckwit child.
>>
>>> "The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the
>>> risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at
>>> the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.
>>
>> There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the
>> last century, child.
>>
>>> "There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very
>>> difficult years."
>>
>> There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the
>> last century, child.
>>
>>> NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of
>>> U.S. business cycles.
>>
>> Pigs arse it is.
>>
>>> Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and
>>> former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
>>
>>>> Let me guess -"Not a leading expert".
>>
>> Guess again. Doesnt say anything like your mindless hyperventilation,
>> actually.
>>
>> Doesnt say a word about any 'broken tools' or any incapacity
>> of the fed to be able to deal with the current situation either.
>>
>> Try again, child.
>>
>>> Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn
>>> could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.
>>
>> Nothing like your mindless hyperventilation, child.
>>
>>> Feldstein said the federal funds rate, the Federal Reserve's
>>> benchmark lending rate, is headed down to 2 percent from the
>>> current 3 percent.
>>
>> No news. The US economy has survived that in the past, and will do
>> so again, you watch.
>>
>>> He added that lower rates from the Fed would not have the same
>>> impact in the current downturn, in terms of reviving economic
>>> activity.
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> "There isn't much traction in monetary policy these days, I'm
>>> afraid, because of a lack of liquidity in the credit markets," he
>>> said.
>>
>> Nothing like your pig ignorant claim.
>>
>> And the fed is doing other things about the lack of liquidity in the
>> credit markets anyway.
>>
>>> The Federal Open Market Committee meets on Tuesday to consider
>>> its next step on interest rates. Financial markets currently look
>>> for a rate cut of 75 basis points, to 2.25 percent, with a moderate
>>> chance
>>> rates will be slashed 100 basis points.
>>
>>> The Fed's huge new credit facility, announced on Tuesday, "can help
>>> in a rather small way ...
>>
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>> last bit of that claim.
>>
>>> but the underlying risks will remain with the institutions that
>>> borrow from the Fed, and this does nothing to change their
>>> capital," Feldstein noted.
>>
>> That last is just plain wrong. And he didnt 'note', he actually
>> CLAIMED.
>>
>>> Feldstein said the combination of monetary and fiscal stimulus
>>> and the falling dollar "will help to dampen the magnitude of the
>>> downturn but won't be enough to sustain an expansion."
>>
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>> claim.
>>
>>> "The housing situation is getting worse by the day," he noted,
>>> as more and more houses drop below 100 percent loan-to-value
>>> ratios, encouraging homeowners to walk away from their properties.
>>
>> Thats happened before, and didnt produce the end of
>> civilisation as we know it, or a full depression either.
>>
>>> More broadly, in global credit markets, "there is a lack of
>>> confidence leading to a lack of liquidity ... without credit
>>> creation, we can't have economic growth," Feldstein said.
>>
>> He's just plain wrong there too. China will continue to grow, you
>> watch.
>>
>> And lack of economic growth is nothing like your mindless
>> hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> Feldstein noted "powerful forces (that) will continue to drive
>>> inflation higher."
>>> And while inflation expectations are still relatively well
>>> contained, "you wonder how long that's going to last," he said.
>>
>> We've survived MUCH worse inflation in the past and will survive
>> that fine too, you watch.
>>
>> You can stop hyperventilating now, child.
> Yo be the supercilious man, Rod. Ain't no man dumber than you.
You in spades, fuckwit child.
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <643osvF290ijkU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>> Reuters
>>> U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein
>>> Friday March 14, 10:55 am ET
>>> By Ros Krasny
>>
>>> BOCA RATON, Florida (Reuters) - The United States is in a recession
>>> that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National
>>> Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on
>>> Friday.
>>
>> Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike
>> fools like you.
>>
>>> "The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the
>>> risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at
>>> the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.
>>
>> Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike
>> fools like you.
>>
>>> "There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very
>>> difficult years."
>>
>> It would be a hell of a lot more surprising if they they
>> werent given the magnitude of the sub prime fiasco.
>>
>> Doesnt mean that its the end of civilisation as we know it, or even
>> a full depression tho.
>>
>>> NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of
>>> U.S. business cycles.
>>
>> Pigs arse it is.
>>
>>> Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and
>>> former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.
>>
>> Notice no Prez since has considered his advice worth bothering with.
>>
>>> Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn
>>> could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.
>>
>> Notice the COULD, he doesnt even say that that is certain, unlike
>> fools like you.
>>
>>> Feldstein said the federal funds rate, the Federal Reserve's
>>> benchmark lending rate, is headed down to 2 percent from the
>>> current 3 percent.
>>
>> Corse that has never ever happened before, eh ?
>>
>>> He added that lower rates from the Fed would not have the same
>>> impact in the current downturn, in terms of reviving economic
>>> activity.
>>
>> Yes, and that is why more than just that is being done by the fed.
>>
>>> "There isn't much traction in monetary policy these days, I'm
>>> afraid, because of a lack of liquidity in the credit markets," he
>>> said.
>>
>> And that is why something is being done about the lack of liquidity
>> too.
>>
>>> The Federal Open Market Committee meets on Tuesday to
>>> consider its next step on interest rates. Financial markets
>>> currently look for a rate cut of 75 basis points, to 2.25 percent,
>>> with a moderate chance rates will be slashed 100 basis points.
>>
>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, and a real benefit to
>> everyone who isnt on fixed interest rates and who has significant
>> borrowings.
>>
>>> The Fed's huge new credit facility, announced
>>> on Tuesday, "can help in a rather small way ...
>>
>> In a hell of a lot more than just a small way, actually.
>>
>>> but the underlying risks will remain with the institutions that
>>> borrow from the Fed, and this does nothing to change their
>>> capital," Feldstein noted.
>>
>> But bailing out operations like Bear Stearns does.
>>
>>> Feldstein said the combination of monetary and fiscal stimulus and
>>> the falling dollar "will help to dampen the magnitude of the
>>> downturn
>>
>> So you can stop mindlessly hyperventilating now.
>>
>>> but won't be enough to sustain an expansion."
>>
>> We'll see. And even if there isnt an expansion, the current
>> economic situation is perfectly viable and is nothing even
>> remotely resembling anything like a full depression.
>>
>>> "The housing situation is getting worse by the day," he noted, as
>>> more and more houses drop below 100 percent loan-to-value ratios,
>>> encouraging homeowners to walk away from their properties.
>>
>> And that has happened before, and that was survived fine.
>>
>>> More broadly, in global credit markets, "there is a
>>> lack of confidence leading to a lack of liquidity ...
>>
>> And the other equivalent operations are dealing with that in similar
>> ways, even to the extent of bailing out operations like Northern
>> Rock etc too.
>>
>>> without credit creation, we can't have economic growth," Feldstein
>>> said.
>>
>> But there is still credit creation in places like china and japan
>> which werent
>> actually stupid enough to engage in stupiditys like the sub prime
>> fiasco.
>>
>>> Feldstein noted "powerful forces (that) will continue to drive
>>> inflation higher."
>>
>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it, Feldstein.
>>
>>> And while inflation expectations are still relatively well
>>> contained,
>>
>> So you can stop mindlessly hyperventilating now.
>>
>>> "you wonder how long that's going to last," he said.
>>
>> Wonder away. Get back to us when something actually changes
>> significantly in that area.
>>
>>
>> So he's not claiming anything like your pig ignorant claim that the
>> fed has no tools that
>> it can use anymore and even the worst recession since the war is
>> perfectly viable anyway.
> The ways of stupidity are infinite.
Yep, we've only got to look at you for the proof of that, fuckwit.
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <642teeF29p1cfU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>>>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>
>>>>>>> And those were fun?
>>
>>>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>
>>>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>
>>>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> Ah so unable to deal with issues you resort to name calling.
>>
>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
>>
>>> How feeble.
>>
>> Yep, you are that in spades.
>>
>>>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are
>>>>> saying.
>>
>>>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert'
>>>> that says anything even remotely resembling anything like
>>>> your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>> Spend a little time combatting your ignorance:
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/
>>> J. Bradford DeLong, Professor of Economics at U.C Berkeley, a
>>> Research Associate of the NBER, a Visiting Scholar at the Federal
>>> Reserve Bank of San Francisco, and Chair of Berkeley's Political
>>> Economy major.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/economy/index.html
>>> BArry Rhineholtz -
>>> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/media_praise_for_the_big_.html
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
>>> Paul Krugman -
>>> Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the
>>> Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International
>>> Affairs at Princeton University.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his
>>> Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford.
>>> At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
>>> Nouriel Roubini
>>> * Research Fellow, National Bureau of Economic Research
>>> * Research Fellow, Centre for Economic Policy Research, London,
>>> UK
>>> * Member, Bretton Woods Committee
>>> * Member, Council on Foreign Relations Roundtable on the
>>> International Economy
>>> * Member, Academic Advisory Committee, Fiscal Affairs Department,
>>> International Monetary Fund
>>
>> Nothing like a 'leading expert' and he doesnt say anything
>> like your mindless pig ignorant hyperventilation anyway.
>>
>>> I trust these guys more than your name calling foolishness.
>>
>> Pity they dont say anything like your mindless pig ignorant
>> hyperventilation.
>>
>> Not a single one of them even claims that we are in a full depression
>> currently.
>>
>>>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage,
>>>>> "I merely tell them the truth and they think it's hell".
>>
>>>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your
>>>> lard arse.
>>
>>>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
>>>>> collapse
>>
>>>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>>>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>>
>>>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>
>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>
>>>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>
>>>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>
>>> I'm not the only one on this group trying to shed
>>> a little reality amongst all you blind worshippers.
>>
>> Claiming we are currently in a full depression is nothing
>> even remotely resembling anything like that, fool.
>>
>> Thats nothing like 'reality'.
>>
>>>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>
>>>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>
>>> Well you should start showing some results for it real soon.
>>
>> I've shown the results of doing that since before you were even born
>> too thanks, child.
>>
>>>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>
>>>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>
>>>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>
>>>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>>>> predicament, child.
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard, child.
>>
>>> Are you even capable of addressing issues
>>
>> You clearly arent, child.
>>
>>> or is this mindless pablum all you've got?
>>
>> No need to ask if that pathetic excuse for bullshit is all you've
>> got, the answer is obvious.
> What chew be doin' back here fool? STFU
How's the turps going, fuckwit ?
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:19 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <642ko4F2a3m7oU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and
>>>>>> countless smaller conflicts.
>>
>>>>> And those were fun?
>>
>>>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>>
>>>> Neither is your mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> Village eejut immitations cut no mustard.
>>
>>> I'm merely telling you what many of the leading experts are saying.
>>
>> You're lying now. You cant list even a single 'leading expert' that
>> says anything
>> even remotely resembling anything like your mindless hysterical
>> hyperventilation.
>>
>>> I'm reminded of Harry Truman's old adage, "I merely tell them the
>>> truth and they think it's hell".
>>
>> You wouldnt know what the real truth was if it bit you on your lard
>> arse.
>>
>>> You've been a cheer leader for all the abuses that led to this
>>> collapse
>>
>> You're lying, again. I have never ever done anything even remotely
>> resembling anything like that with the sub prime fiasco, liar.
>>
>>> and now you're desperately working to maintain your denial
>>> and avoid seeing the perpetrators take responsibility.
>>
>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>
>>> Hey we've given you a fair warning.
>>
>> Just how many of your are there between those ears, child ?
>>
>>> You can use it and protect yourself
>>
>> Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
>>
>>> or continue your denial and get chewed up.
>>
>> Taint gunna happen, child.
>>
>>> I hope you follow your beliefs, then you might actually learn.
>>
>> You'll never even learn to bullshit your way out of your
>> predicament, child.
> Speakin' of which child, St. Molly says that when yo
> be in a hole, yo should stop diggin'. 'Nough said.
How odd that you have decided that its nothing like enough, fuckwit.
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:20 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <6438idF294allU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>
>>>>>> And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
>>>>>> that we havent had a full depression since that one.
>>
>>>>> Which is why people have forgotten it's lessons
>>
>>>> No they havent. The fed is already applying the lessons that were
>>>> learnt at that time and is taking the steps we learnt were
>>>> required to ensure that we wont have a depression, just like it
>>>> has quite a few times since 1929.
>>
>>>>> and dismantled many of the preventative measures
>>>>> that were put in place when the knowledge was fresh.
>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. List even a single one of those, you
>>>> cant.
>>
>>> Oh good lord. How can you be this childish. Go read about the
>>> Glass-Steagall Act. Before that there was the deregulation of
>>> the Savings and Loans. Remember how that worked out?
>>
>> Didnt have a damned thing to do with producing a DEPRESSION, fuckwit.
>>
>>> It's a long list,
>>
>> Like hell it is on producing a DEPRESSION, liar.
>>
>>> but your not interested in learning and just deny everything
>>> so I'm not going to be your teacher unless you pay the tuition.
>>
>> No one is ever going to be stupid enough to pay you a cent, liar.
>
> No. No. No. you contradicted a fantasy. Go back three spaces but Rod is still an idiot.
Clearly completely blotto now.
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <6438nvF2a225kU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
>>
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to
>>>> avoid a depression.
>>
>>> The fed is using new tricks
>>
>> Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>>
>>> because the old ones won't work.
>>
>> Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>>
>>> Do try to keep up.
>>
>> Let go of your dick before you end up completely blind, liar.
>>
>>> Go find out what the Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF) is.
>>
>> Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
>>
>>> Query also when was the last time the Fed bailed out an investment
>>> company (not a bank) as they did this week with Bear Stearns?
>>
>> Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
>
> When will Rod actually say anything?
You in spades, fuckwit.
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <oW_Cj.23617$R84.13121@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> Wiiliam Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag,
>>> or work out how to avoid premature ejaculation either.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Welfare Rod uses the paper bog bot when the facts fail him.
>>
>>
>>
>> William Souden
>> Sales fool / racetrack bum
>
> Facts? Rod doesn't need facts. It's all the antithesis of divine revelation
> for Rod. No citations. No authoritative quotes. Just pulling it out of his ass.
You in spades, fuckwit.
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 1:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <6438q8F292kdhU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> and deregulated many of the measures taken that gave us those
>>>>> results.
>>
>>>> You cant deregulate a measure.
>>
>>> Sheesh, just when I think you can't be any denser.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag,
>> or work out how to avoid premature ejaculation either.
>
> This is an argument? Rod, go jerk off some where else idiot.
That's an argument, fuckwit ?
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:23 am
From: Willian Souden
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:35:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> . . .
>> Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.
> . . .
>> There's been plenty of mindless hyperventilation like that in the last century, fuckwit.
> . . .
>
>> Well whoopy fucking do. . . .
>
>> Well whoopy fucking do. . . .
>
>> You dont actually have a single FACT, fuckwit.
>>
> .. .
>
>
>> Nothing like your mindless hyperventilation.
>
>
> Gee do you have macros for all this empty repetitive blather?
Are you aware that Rod is a lifetime welfare recipient whose adult job
history in under 4 hours?
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:25 am
From: Willian Souden
stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:42:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> But for the past ten years we've abandoned those fundamentals
>>>> Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The fed has just used them again to avoid a depression.
>>> The fed is using new tricks
>> Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>>
>>> because the old ones won't work.
>> Bare faced lie with interest rates.
>>
>>> Do try to keep up.
>> Let go of your dick before you end up completely blind, liar.
>>
>>> Go find out what the Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF) is.
>> Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
>>
>>> Query also when was the last time the Fed bailed out an investment
>>> company (not a bank) as they did this week with Bear Stearns?
>> Irrelevant to that lie of yours still at the top.
>
>
> This i all you do, aye? What a pathetic little twit.
>
> well looking at your posting history I see this is your routine. that
> and telling people to off themselves. You're a real class act.
It is his subconscious way of admitting the facts have failed him. You
will know that you really got to him when you get the paper bag or the
flushing bots.
>
> In you go with the rest of the mindless idiots.
>
> PLONK
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:26 am
From: Willian Souden
Billy wrote:
> In article <642h7gF29vs63U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> stuff_stuff@comcast.net wrote
>>>>> haber14@lycos.com wrote
>>>>>> Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote
>>>>>>> habe...@lycos.com wrote
>>>>>>>> Let that market keep sinking, should be great buys in a couple of
>>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>> I've been trying to decide if the lowest point is
>>>>>>> going to be before the election or after. Any ideas?
>>>>>> Mid-summer is what I'm hearing.
>>>> Just plucked out of someone's arse.
>>>>>> Watch events closely.
>>>> That doesnt help.
>>>>>> Personally, I'm concerned that we are at a dead end.
>>>> The same claim has been made about every
>>>> downturn, its never been true even of 1929.
>>>>>> Not many products to sell,
>>>> Modern first world economys are about a hell of a lot more than just
>>>> products to sell.
>>>> There will always be plenty of services to sell.
>>>>>> rising energy costs,
>>>> We've survived that fine before.
>>>>>> a factionalized country,
>>>> Nothing like as factionalized as it has been in the past and survived
>>>> fine.
>>>>>> and an incoming President who will be under heavy attack the minute he
>>>>>> is sworn in.
>>>> No Prez has much to do with the state of the economy, whatever they like
>>>> to think.
>>>>> I'd suggest looking how long it took the 1929 market to find bottom.
>>>> Not relevant. We've worked out how to avoid full depressions.
>>>>> Look at the desperation in the feds actions for the last two weeks.
>>>>> Unprecedented bail outs and measures day after day. That's a
>>>>> dive alarm on the submarine. Prepare to dive. AUUUGA!
>>>> Lot more viable than the mindless approach taken in 1929 for years.
>>>>> we're going into a really ugly period.
>>>> Nope, you watch.
>>>>> At the risk of sounding too conspiracy minded i would note that the great
>>>>> depression last time spawned fascist governments around the world.
>>>> And that wont happen again, because of what happened with those.
>>>> We wont see communism booming ever again either, you watch.
>>>>> America is facing the end of empire
>>>> Nope. The full commercialisation of almost all technology still happens
>>>> there first, most recently with google, ebay, paypal etc etc etc.
>>>> Thats not going to stop happening, because of why it still happens.
>>>>> and has been stepping very close to fascism in the last 7 years.
>>>> Nothing even remotely resembling anything like fascism.
>>>> And he's going quietly too, not even the remotest possibility that
>>>> he will refuse to go and will try to stay in power, even as some
>>>> like Putin are doing. And if he was stupid enough to try that,
>>>> he'd be out on his arse so fast he wouldnt know what hit him.
>>>>> The political risks of this depression (yes D not R)
>>>> You wouldnt know what a real depression was if it bit you on your lard
>>>> arse.
>>>>> could be far greater than the economics risks.
>>>> Nope. And we survived 1929 fine, and two world wars too and countless
>>>> smaller conflicts.
>>> And those were fun?
>> No one said anything about fun.
>>
>>> Merely surviving is not the goal.
>> Neither is you mindless hysterical hyperventilation.
>>
>>> Ah the last of the faithful. Sheesh.
>> Or someone with a clue, unlike mindless hysterics like you and your ilk.
>>
>>> A lot of people a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are talking
>>> depression.
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>>
>> There have been fools mindlessly hyperventilating about depression ever since
>> 1929.
>>
>> And even when say the Japs did end up with a full depression, they did fine
>> regardless.
>>
>>> Can you see the pyramids from there?
>> Nope.
>
> Citation please. Otherwise you are just pulling out your a-se.
His idea of a cite is the paper bag bot. His idea of a refutation is
"bullshit".
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:27 am
From: Willian Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net desperately attempted to bullshit its way
> out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
>
This bot means that, once again, welfare boy has no facts.
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:28 am
From: Willian Souden
123 wrote:
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> stuff_stuff@comcast.net desperately attempted to bullshit its way
> out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
>
How many namers have you used,welfare boy, to avoid kill files.
Remember sam jones from Russia?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 2:10 am
From: Donna Ohl
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:39:21 -0800 (PST), 58plumbers@gmail.com wrote:
> You might want to check first the air gap and drain hoses from the air
> gap to the garbage disposer.
I cleaned and checked the air gap and it was working fine albeit messily!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 2:48 am
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TOPIC: generic cheddar fries?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9d81fed714d4d783?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 7:16 am
From: Al Bundy
On Mar 16, 12:34 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> My wife loves "Andy Capp's Cheddar Fries". (not the hot fries) However,
> it seems to be more and more difficult to find them any more, and I have a
> problem with paying anything over 50 cents for a 3 ounce bag of any snack.
> These things cost $5 a pound.
>
> I'm looking for some generic or other brand with a similar taste that I
> might be able to buy a 1 pound bag for $2 or so.
>
> Can anyone recommend anything? Frankly, I don't feel like overpaying just
> because Andy Capp's picture is on them.
>
> Thanks!
How did a person like you ever allow the wife to taste such
extravagance as brand named fries?
Even with your tiny allowance of 50¢ for three ounces, each person
could consume only three ounces of fries as their entire meal with
your $180/month family grocery bill. Yea, we believed that.
You could buy the real thing at Amazon.com or some wholesale shop and
come within shooting range of your goal. By the way, probably not a
good idea for you to have guns around the house. And don't let the
kids taste any snacks until they have jobs.
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb5c68e581b77013?hl=en
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