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* Property tax: was How Will You All Adapt to $4.00 per gallon gasoline? - 4
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* Any experience with Fresh & Easy stores? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Earn money from Google.com - 1 messages, 1 author
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* A+++++ Designer Louis Vuitton Replica Purses - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Property tax: was How Will You All Adapt to $4.00 per gallon gasoline?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:14 pm
From: Logan Shaw
h wrote:
> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47cb8466$0$6120$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> h wrote:
>>> Still, I can't fathom what they're spending my $6,000 a year on. It's
>>> about half for schools, and, of course, I never had kids.
>> And of course, you don't benefit in any way by having others' kids
>> becoming educated. If they all couldn't read or write and turned
>> to crime instead of working, that'd be just as good?
> Ah yes. Breeder bingo. How about if you have kids YOU pay to have them
> educated?
Hey, that sounds great. Since, apparently, we can rely on people being
responsible, we should eliminate the police, because now that we're
taking it as a given that people are responsible, there can't be any
crime to worry about.
> I went to private school on my parent's dime. My parents paid for
> my extracurricular activities, not the property owners of my town (sports,
> etc.).
That's good of your parents. Everyone should plan in such a way that
they can do that. However, your parents are the exception.
> Why on earth should the government be involved in education? If I had
> kids I certainly wouldn't want the state determining what they learned. If
> you have kids you should pay to have them educated instead of sticking your
> hands in my pocket.
Nevertheless, most people don't, can't, and/or won't pay for their kids'
education. This leaves you with two choices:
(1) Allow them to go uneducated, and the country will tank.
(2) Spend the money to educate them, because while it's not your
*fault* if they aren't, it is your *problem*.
I don't think it's ideal to put the government in charge of much of
anything, but I don't see many better options on this. If you really
want to see the government get out of it, start a school which is free
for poor kids, ramp it up to a program which is national in scope, and
thereby prove that private organizations, funded by donations, can
handle it.
- Logan
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:25 pm
From: Logan Shaw
clams_casino wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> I think it would be a lot of fun and would be very
>> satisfying to be a teacher, but there's no way I'm going to actually
>> DO it -- I'd have to give up approximately half my income over the
>> course of my career. I'd like to give something back to society, but
>> I'm not going to do it in a way that could practically cut in half
>> what I'd earn over the course of my life.
> I'm impressed. With teachers typically earning 70k + very generous
> benefits here, I'm hard pressed to find too many at $100k jobs that
> would be comparable on an hourly basis (after factoring in extensive
> vacation, holidays & other benefits).
Earlier, you said the average was $54K, and that $70K was "not uncommon".
In many professional fields, $54K is more like entry level, not average.
And $70K is more like average, although it depends on the field and
the market. Where I live, the average teacher's pay[1] is $44,615. I
don't care what kind of benefits you get with that. That's not enough
to attract many people who can easily make twice that in industry, or
at least in certain industries.
>> So I guess what I think is that if you make teachers' salaries so
>> much lower than what people can make in industry, most people who
>> have options are going to avoid teaching.
> No shortage of teachers here.
What I'm saying is that there are plenty of teachers but they are just
entirely composed of people who either (a) willingly gave up much more
lucrative careers because they love it, or (b) had no other offers.
I'd think that people in the first category probably make great
teachers, but there are probably a whole lot of people in the second
category, and I wouldn't expect they are as good at teaching.
- Logan
[1]
http://www.tasb.org/news/press_releases/2007/january/salary.aspx
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> h wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> h wrote
>>>> Still, I can't fathom what they're spending my $6,000 a year on.
>>>> It's about half for schools, and, of course, I never had kids.
>>> And of course, you don't benefit in any way by having others' kids
>>> becoming educated. If they all couldn't read or write and turned
>>> to crime instead of working, that'd be just as good?
>> Ah yes. Breeder bingo. How about if you have kids YOU pay to have them educated?
> Hey, that sounds great. Since, apparently, we can rely on people
> being responsible, we should eliminate the police, because now that
> we're taking it as a given that people are responsible, there can't
> be any crime to worry about.
>> I went to private school on my parent's dime. My parents paid for my extracurricular activities, not the property
>> owners of my town (sports, etc.).
> That's good of your parents. Everyone should plan in such a way that they can do that. However, your parents are the
> exception.
And not all have the earning power to be able to do that.
>> Why on earth should the government be involved in education? If I had kids I certainly wouldn't want the state
>> determining what they learned. If you have kids you should pay to have them educated instead of sticking your hands
>> in my pocket.
> Nevertheless, most people don't, can't, and/or won't pay for their
> kids' education. This leaves you with two choices:
> (1) Allow them to go uneducated, and the country will tank.
I doubt it would. It did fine without public education at one
time, and I doubt the country would tank if those that end
up drug runners and on welfare cant read etc.
You'd likely see the dregs jobs like fast food monkeys just use icons on
the cash registers etc so those apes dont need to be able to read either.
> (2) Spend the money to educate them, because while it's not your *fault* if they aren't, it is your *problem*.
The US basically just jails huge numbers of them.
A rather stupid approach, but the economy can basically afford it.
> I don't think it's ideal to put the government in charge of much of anything, but I don't see many better options on
> this.
There's a difference between the govt being in charge
of education and taxes being used to pay for education.
> If you really want to see the government get out of it, start a school which is free for poor kids, ramp it up to a
> program which is national in scope, and
> thereby prove that private organizations, funded by donations, can handle it.
It would make more sense for the govt to provide a mechanism where those
who are prepared to setup viable schools could be funded from the tax base.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> clams_casino wrote
>> Logan Shaw wrote
>>> I think it would be a lot of fun and would be very satisfying to be a teacher, but there's no way I'm going to
>>> actually> DO it -- I'd have to give up approximately half my income over the
>>> course of my career. I'd like to give something back to society,
>>> but I'm not going to do it in a way that could practically cut in
>>> half what I'd earn over the course of my life.
>> I'm impressed. With teachers typically earning 70k + very generous benefits here, I'm hard pressed to find too many
>> at $100k jobs that would be comparable on an hourly basis (after factoring in extensive vacation, holidays & other
>> benefits).
> Earlier, you said the average was $54K, and that $70K was "not
> uncommon". In many professional fields, $54K is more like entry
> level, not average. And $70K is more like average, although it
> depends on the field and the market. Where I live, the average teacher's pay[1] is $44,615. I don't care what kind
> of benefits you get with that. That's not enough to attract many people who can easily make twice that in industry,
> or at least in certain industries.
It clearly is enough. Very few areas have a problem
getting enough teachers at that average pay rate.
Essentially because most of those who end up as teachers
wouldnt be able to get a job in the professions. They actually
compete with basic white collar jobs like in sales etc and
enough like the benefits that teaching provides.
>>> So I guess what I think is that if you make teachers' salaries so much lower than what people can make in industry,
>>> most people who have options are going to avoid teaching.
>> No shortage of teachers here.
> What I'm saying is that there are plenty of teachers but they are just
> entirely composed of people who either (a) willingly gave up much more lucrative careers because they love it, or (b)
> had no other offers.
Its mostly those who can only manage a basic white collar job like sales who
prefer to spend their working lives in what is basically a sheltered workshop.
> I'd think that people in the first category probably make great teachers,
There's a hell of a lot more involved in being a great teacher than just that.
> but there are probably a whole lot of people in the second category,
Yep.
> and I wouldn't expect they are as good at teaching.
There isnt a shred of evidence to support that expectation.
> [1]
http://www.tasb.org/news/press_releases/2007/january/salary.aspx
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TOPIC: Any experience with Fresh & Easy stores?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:31 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Seerialmom wrote:
> On Jan 29, 9:39 am, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Apparently one of these Tesco owned stores is going to be opening in
>> the spot formerly occupied by Ralphs (formerly occupied by
>> Albertson's). Just wondering what the "best" items they sell are and
>> whether they are lower/same/higher priced than the average chain
>> supermarket?
>
> I'm going to revive this question since it seems to have gotten lost
> in the spam and no one answered. So...again...anyone...Beuller?
I have no idea. I don't even know what country a Tesco or a Ralph's
would be located in. If I had to guess, I would say Tesco is probably
in the UK, but I could easily be wrong.
- Logan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 11:30 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Logan Shaw wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 9:39 am, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Apparently one of these Tesco owned stores is going to be opening in
>>> the spot formerly occupied by Ralphs (formerly occupied by
>>> Albertson's). Just wondering what the "best" items they sell are and
>>> whether they are lower/same/higher priced than the average chain
>>> supermarket?
>
> I have no idea. I don't even know what country a Tesco or a Ralph's
> would be located in.
It looks like Ralph's is located in the United States.
http://www.thekrogerco.com/
The Kroger Co. Headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio, (NYSE:KR)
They're one of those "We've got a finger in every pie" kind
of operation. They run a bunch of stores under the names...
Koger, Ralphs, King Soopers, City Market Dillions,
Smith's Food & Drug Stores, Fry's, Bakers,
QFC Quality Food Centers, Owen's Market, Gerbes,
JayC Food Stores, Hilander, Pay-Less Super Market,
Food 4 Less, Foods Co The Food & Drug Warehouse,
Fred Meyer, Turkey Hill, Kwik Shop, Loaf 'N Jug,
Quik Stop, Tom Thumb, Fred Meyer Jewelers,
Littman Jewelers, Barclay Jewelers,
Kroger Personal Finance.
Tesco looks like it's British but they've gone international
and have some operations in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco
Anthony
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Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 10:43 pm
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