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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 8:31 pm
From: Joe


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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 8:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Joe <joe5345@gmail.com> wrote:

> will the savings I make on water and electricity
> be substantial enough to pay for a new washer?

Nope.

> Anyone notice lower utitily bills after
> replacing old top loader with front loader
> or is the difference not noticeable?

Unlikely to be noticeable unless you do a hell of a lot of
washing and very little of anything else that uses water.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 9:20 pm
From: Joe


On Apr 6, 11:35 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe <joe5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > will the savings I make on water and electricity
> > be substantial enough to pay for a new washer?
>
> Nope.
>
> > Anyone notice lower utitily bills after
> > replacing old top loader with front loader
> > or is the difference not noticeable?
>
> Unlikely to be noticeable unless you do a hell of a lot of
> washing and very little of anything else that uses water.

my wife has been washing clothes pretty much every day so it's a
pretty sizeable amount of our daily water usage and my washer is about
20-30 years old.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 11:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Joe <joe5345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Joe <joe5...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> will the savings I make on water and electricity
>>> be substantial enough to pay for a new washer?

>> Nope.

>>> Anyone notice lower utitily bills after
>>> replacing old top loader with front loader
>>> or is the difference not noticeable?

>> Unlikely to be noticeable unless you do a hell of a lot of
>> washing and very little of anything else that uses water.

> my wife has been washing clothes pretty much every day

It makes more sense to change than than to change the washer.

> so it's a pretty sizeable amount of our daily water usage

Still wouldnt be economic to change the washer for a new front loader.

> and my washer is about 20-30 years old.

If its lasted that long, it could well last another decade or more too.

Sounds like you are looking for an excuse to buy a new one.



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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 6 2008 8:43 pm
From: " Frank"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:65sik1F2h594lU1@mid.individual.net...
> Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote:
>> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote
>
>>> But the skyrocketing debt can't continue forever. Where will it end?
>
>> So much debt combined with the cheap dollar, we might end up with the
>> Mexicans owing America.
>
> Nope, not a chance. It wont happend with china either.
>

How much wealth do you think we're transferring to China and the oil
countries? How much of our market are already own by foreign investors? It
took a foreign country to prop up Citigroup, the largest retail bank at the
time, while US companies couldn't step in.

>> Kinda like Bear Stearns going for $2/share.
>
> Nope, nothing like.
>

Pretty ugly if the fed didn't step in while BSC going from $160/share to
zero in a hurry. Market could have crashed and more foreign investors
jumping in. Just like the purchasing of the housing market by foreign
investors - cheap real estate combined with cheap dollars. The trend is
selling off America more and more. How long can this go on? Goon thing is,
I think we already saw the bottom a month ago but who knows for sure.


>> Mexico is the second richest economy
>
> Like hell it is.
>
>> and has the richest person, Carlos Slim Helu, (dependent on stock
>> valuation) surpassing Gates and Buffett.
>
> And is worth less than Gates and Buffet combined.
>
>> Maybe we should do a reverse osmosis on the Mexican border.
>
> Taint gunna happen.
>

Carlos Slim Helu was first and may still be.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2023023.ece

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico

Must read it wrong, 13th largest now. And "by 2050 Mexico will be the 6th
largest economy in the world behind China, USA, India, Japan, and Brazil",
according to Wikipedia. Anyway, we're loosing ground to third world
countries and no longer be first..

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 7 2008 12:00 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote
>>> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote

>>>> But the skyrocketing debt can't continue forever. Where will it end?

>>> So much debt combined with the cheap dollar, we might end up with the Mexicans owing America.

>> Nope, not a chance. It wont happend with china either.

> How much wealth do you think we're transferring to China and the oil countries?

Quite a bit, but thats affordable. Nothing like what is poured down the rat hole for money that is Iraq.

> How much of our market are already own by foreign investors?

Not that much. The same line was run about Japan and that worked out fine.

> It took a foreign country to prop up Citigroup,

No it didnt. If no foreign country had not been prepared to do that, it
would have been perfectly feasible for the US to have done that itself.

It wasnt even as much as the rebate handout to try
to get the economy from slowing down too much.

> the largest retail bank at the time, while US companies couldn't step in.

That last is just plain wrong.

>>> Kinda like Bear Stearns going for $2/share.

>> Nope, nothing like.

> Pretty ugly if the fed didn't step in while BSC going from $160/share to zero in a hurry.

It did step in. It didnt choose to bail out the fools that had been
stupid enough to try to profit from what that operation was doing.

> Market could have crashed

Nope.

> and more foreign investors jumping in.

If the market had crashed, they wouldnt do that.

> Just like the purchasing of the housing market by foreign investors - cheap real estate combined with cheap dollars.

The same mindless line was run about Japan at one time too.

That clearly worked out fine.

> The trend is selling off America more and more.

The same mindless line was run about Japan at one time too.

That clearly worked out fine.

> How long can this go on?

Until the US gets sick of pouring trillions down that
rat hole for money that Iraq has become, basically.

But the US spent a hell of a lot more than that on WW2
and the cold war and Korea and Vietnam and that work fine.

> Goon thing is, I think we already saw the bottom a month ago

Time will tell. I think its rather unlikely that Bear Stearns
is the only operation to have fucked up that spectacularly.

But its clear that Bear Stearns is survivable, so even another should be too.

> but who knows for sure.

Yep, no one ever rings a bell at the bottom.

>>> Mexico is the second richest economy

>> Like hell it is.

>>> and has the richest person, Carlos Slim Helu, (dependent on stock valuation) surpassing Gates and Buffett.

>> And is worth less than Gates and Buffet combined.

>>> Maybe we should do a reverse osmosis on the Mexican border.

>> Taint gunna happen.

> Carlos Slim Helu was first and may still be.
> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2023023.ece

Yes, but like I said, he's worth less than Gates and Buffet combined, and thats what matters.

The total of all the megarich in mexico is a hell of a lot less than the total of all the megarich in the US in spades.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico

> Must read it wrong, 13th largest now.

Yep, it was never ever the second richest and never will be either.

> And "by 2050 Mexico will be the 6th largest economy in the world behind China, USA, India, Japan, and Brazil",
> according to Wikipedia.

And since anyone can write anything they like in wikipedia, thats just straight out of someone's arse.

Bet that doesnt happen, if only because their economy is crippled by their stupid
approach of pumping out hordes of brats, because thats that the roman catholic
church tells them to do, and they are stupid enough to do what they are told on that.

Even the Italians had enough of a clue to tell the pope to take his demands and shove them
where the sun dont shine. No south or central american country has had that much of a clue.

And lets not forget what they got up to human sacrifice wise.

> Anyway, we're loosing ground to third world countries

Nope, they are just doing a lot better than they used to, the ones with a clue, anyway.

Hardly any of them are stupid enough to bother with wars anymore.

> and no longer be first..

That wont be changing any time soon when you measure it properly.

Its still where the full commercialisation of almost all technology happens
first, and that hasnt changed significantly even in the last decade, most
obviously with ebay, paypal, google, the internet, etc etc etc.

And with terminal stupiditys like sub prime loans and the securitization of those too.



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