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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 6:44 am
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 15, 8:26 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:

> > It hurts me to read about incidents like this. I have no idea what
> > caused this altercation, or why the cyclist felt it was necessary to
> > stab the motorist. I was honked at and flipped off by a motorist on
> > Dundas St. this morning, then almost nailed by a left-turning car near
> > my work. But even when bad things happen to me on the road, I never
> > even come close to wanting to stab someone.
>
> I was in one incident (fortunately no injuries or crashes) in which
> an irate driver passed me in very light traffic on a perfectly straight
> road, and then, when the road went from 4 lanes to 2, he tried to
> close the gap between us and would slam on his breaks, repeating this
> behavior 3 times. I managed to avoid an accident, but it was very
> close.
>
> I got his license number and reported it to the police. With the reaction
> I got from the f___tards in the DA's office, coupled with the lies and
> run-arounds, I can see why someone might react the way this Canadian
> cyclist did. If society wants people to do the "right" thing and let
> the criminal justice system handle it, the criminal justice system has
> to uphold its part of the bargain.
>
> BTW, the driver admitted to the braking. His excuse was that I was
> supposedly going 30 in a 25 zone and he couldn't outrun me, but I
> was blocking traffic anyway. And that was on a knobby-tired mountain
> bike on basically level ground.
>
> --
> My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

I forgot to get his plate, but for the reasons above, I don't think
there would have been justice --and definitely I'd have gone through a
lot of trouble.

I have another strategy in dealing with the beasts and it's based on a
saying of mine, "My struggle is not against the puppet, but against
the puppeteer"...

Who's the puppeteer who could change things and GIVE RESPECT to the
cyclists? The police, the politicians, the president? Or all of them?
The puppet only takes life in an atmosphere where the cyclists are
equivalent to a stray dog. Even if you screwdrive him, it's not worth
it. Never waste your time with the puppet. Go for the puppeteer. And
that's what I'm doing here.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 7:54 am
From: ComandanteBanana

On Apr 16, 10:17 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:

> > (Hey, this goes to show that I'm not repeating stuff here. What you
> > want me to talk about next?)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Talk about the role of the bicycler in ensuring his/her own safety
> with a brief forray into bicycle edicate. A sidebar and politeness
> and civility would also be nice. Then you could cap this with a
> discussion on respect for other people, the end to ego-centricism,
> recognition that all people are different (and want different things)
> and how the world would be better if we all did our part to get along.
>
> That would be a nice this for discussion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not until we see the connection between the victims of the law of the
jungle in Haiti and our own roads we will realize we are under attack
by the rich and powerful...

On Apr 13, 8:49 am, Igor The Terrible
<igor_the_terri...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> My...imagine that! The repercussions of the maldistribution of wealth
> will soon turn on new avenues and come back to rattle the cages of the
> economically oppressive whose reasoning has been all but squashed by
> insatiable greed. Potable water is a becoming an endangered commodity
> and now food is right behind it. This shit doesn't look good at all.
> A word to the wise; address this emerging crisis promptly as it should
> be...or resign yourselves to a fate of your own making. It's no
> longer a game of money being used as beans to keep score. It is now
> becoming a matter of survival and the law of the jungle will rapidly
> eclipse the laws of intellectuals for the promotion of an orderly
> society. Riots are already breaking out in our hemisphere. (See
> Haiti)

We can't simply get along because a few want to keep their lion's
share of the pie, whether that pie is resources or a piece of road.
And every monkey who does something about it, gets us one step closer
toward fixing the jungle --or making it real wild for all. WELCOME TO
THE JUNGLE!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 8:29 am
From: ComandanteBanana

I put this question to the Scandinavians...

I challenge the lady who had these incidents to tell me if she thinks
that could have happened to her in Sweden. While I was in Norway, I
generally saw good behavior. I'm writing from the jungle
(Miami)... ;)

"Actually, I know this first hand. I grew up on the key and there is
a toll you have to pay to get on there. The residents always
complained about how their tolls were being raised because of people
running the tolls. At one town meeting, they all decided that if they
ever saw someone trying to run the toll, they would alert a toll booth
collector (the emblem lane was a clear lane without an attendant) and
so they did; stopping in the lane to call over attendants to charge
the scammers trying to sneak in behind them. You heard stories of
arguments and road rage farther down the causeway but one day a
busybody troublemaker my mom was driving through there with me in the
car. She saw through her rear view mirror that the guy behind us did
not have an emblem so she stopped and started honking until the
attendant came over to collect his measly dollar and off she drove.
Right before the bridge, the man pulls up next to us, on my side, and
pulls out a gun- A GUN. I was still in elementary school. I remember
how scared my mom looked and how TERRIFIED I was when she physically
started taking my seatbelt off and pushing me towards the floor of the
car. She flew to the first gas station she could find and she NEVER
tried that hall monitor shit again.

I, on the other hand, did not learn my lesson that day. When I was
16, a few days shy of leaving for college, I was driving through the
Gables with my best pal Laura and there was this car of guys that kept
pulling up next to us. We ignored them- actually, we screwed with
them by turning up the radio at the light by the Coral Gables
library. We played this game the whole way through the Gables. At
the light of Coral Way/Miracle Mile and Le Jeune, they pulled up next
to us again. With that they make some dumb ass comments and we
laugh. One of them yells 'what you laughing at white cracker bitch?'
To which my smart ass responds 'F U.' The guy got out of the car and
grabbed my friends hair. Not thinking that there are lunatics out
there and because I can't leave well enough alone empowered by the
whole teen/live forever bit, I get out of the car to get the guy's tag
number. There was a quick verbal exchange but it ended in the guy
punching me. 3 am and 12 stitches later, I decided life pays you back
for your crimes that and I finally understood Newton's Law of Motion."

HAVE YOU BEEN THE VICTIM OF HORROR STORIES LIKE THESE?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 8:56 am
From: ComandanteBanana

Like I said, I put the question to the Scandinavians (isn't Internet
wonderful?) as to whether they too turn to the law of the jungle in
traffic. But in the meantime, see what I've found...

"I have already mentioned about driving in right, in Sweden. One
another thing I observed is, the way pedestrians are given the
priority. Maybe it's the same all over Europe and somewhere else. But
whenever a pedestrian is about to cross the road, all vehicles come to
a stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. And I have seen Swedish
people nod at the driver and smile, everytime someone stops their
vehicle. Being a good mannered person(Ahem), I tried to follow suit.
But then old habits die hard. I look at the driver, and invariably end
up looking at the co-passenger since the driver sits here on the left
side of the car. And most of the times, it happens to be a girl. So it
is like this. Driver stops the vehicle, I cross the road and then
smile at the girl sitting next to the driver. Poor driver. What he
must be thinking of me? 'Saala! I stopped the vehicle for you and you
smile at the girl next to me. Hmph!'"

They seem to be pretty civilized. Here the guy will come out of the
car with a bat for looking at his girlfriend. But in India is pretty
bad too...

"good one. in india the drivers have their fun trying to run down the
people and well mannered people too"

And yet their politicians are addressing the issue...

Where are your manners, PM asks motorists

June 24, 2006 15:57 IST

Appalled by the chaos on Indian roads, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
on Saturday said that wind swept roads and fancy cars alone did not
reflect progress, it had to be accompanied by good road manners and
discipline.

"Building modern roads and driving modern cars are not the end all and
be all of progress. Good road manners and adherence to road discipline
are equally important," he said at a national highway project
inauguration function in Bangalore.

"I think we must ask ourselves, why can't we be more polite to each
other, more caring of each other, more respectful of each other," Dr
Singh asked.

The prime minister said people must learn road manners, how to give
way to pedestrians, how to observe normal rules while overtaking, how
to park and when not to blow a horn.

"These are simple rules, but their observance makes a lot of
difference to our daily lives," he said, adding: "We Indians behave
with great courtesy at home and with our family and friends. But
sometimes, when we go out we leave these good manners at home. On the
road, we lose control of our good senses. Why should this be so."

http://prabhukrish.net/2006/06/22/say-cheese/

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Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 8:36 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 9:48 am
From: misterfact

On Apr 13, 9:21 am, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "misterfact" <misterf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e698a3e3-80a5-47bb-bf82-da26f43bce39@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Also: If a new car customer who has been taking his car to the dealer
> > for regular scheduled maintainance, CHANGES ADDRESS, and the dealer
> > fails to notify the company of the new address and because of this
> > dealer failure- we send out a service notice to the old address and
> > thus the notice never reaches the customer:
>
> > When the service notice is returned to us as "undeliverable"; we will
> > NOT make any attempt to reach the customer at his new address and
> > notify him of the service notice. We are not liable for our dealer's
> > failure nor will we take any action against our dealer for this
> > failure
> > in an attempt to compensate the customer,should he have been unaware
> > of
> > the notice and suffers a costly repair bill after his warranty has
> > run
> > out!
>
> I don't know about any of your other accusations, but what other
> merchant/business is required to track you down when you move? Your bank,
> perhaps? Or your insurance company? Magazine subscriptions? Credit card
> companies? Standard procedure when you move is that YOU notify the
> organizations with which you do buisiness of your new address. And to tide
> you over while everyone is updating their systems, you notify the Post
> Office to forward your mail to your new address.
>
> Same thing when you trade/sell your car. Do you make the effort to tell the
> manufacturer that you no longer own the vehicle and tell them who does? If
> you get a recall notice, do you send it on to the person to whom you sold
> the car?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's something for you to learn, mr. unaware:

When you take your new car into a dealer for maintainance, they keep a
record of any new address and send it on to the company to that you
can receive any service notice. Every dealer except Saturn!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 9:54 am
From: George Grapman

misterfact wrote:
> On Apr 13, 9:21 am, "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "misterfact" <misterf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:e698a3e3-80a5-47bb-bf82-da26f43bce39@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Also: If a new car customer who has been taking his car to the dealer
>>> for regular scheduled maintainance, CHANGES ADDRESS, and the dealer
>>> fails to notify the company of the new address and because of this
>>> dealer failure- we send out a service notice to the old address and
>>> thus the notice never reaches the customer:
>>> When the service notice is returned to us as "undeliverable"; we will
>>> NOT make any attempt to reach the customer at his new address and
>>> notify him of the service notice. We are not liable for our dealer's
>>> failure nor will we take any action against our dealer for this
>>> failure
>>> in an attempt to compensate the customer,should he have been unaware
>>> of
>>> the notice and suffers a costly repair bill after his warranty has
>>> run
>>> out!
>> I don't know about any of your other accusations, but what other
>> merchant/business is required to track you down when you move? Your bank,
>> perhaps? Or your insurance company? Magazine subscriptions? Credit card
>> companies? Standard procedure when you move is that YOU notify the
>> organizations with which you do buisiness of your new address. And to tide
>> you over while everyone is updating their systems, you notify the Post
>> Office to forward your mail to your new address.
>>
>> Same thing when you trade/sell your car. Do you make the effort to tell the
>> manufacturer that you no longer own the vehicle and tell them who does? If
>> you get a recall notice, do you send it on to the person to whom you sold
>> the car?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's something for you to learn, mr. unaware:
>
> When you take your new car into a dealer for maintainance, they keep a
> record of any new address and send it on to the company to that you
> can receive any service notice. Every dealer except Saturn!

I still get stuff from Saturn after I moved. If Saturn is
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