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On Apr 14, 10:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
> All three of you need to learn a lot about the real data. The fatality
> rate from bicycling is infinitesmal. There are roughly fifteen
> million miles ridden between bike fatalities. People who cycle
> regularly have been shown to live longer than typical motorists. Many
> researchers have found that the risk of cycling is less, per hour,
> than the risk of motoring, or less than the risk of walking near
> traffic.
Man, you need to go in the jungle more often... "Riding a bicycle in
peak-hour traffic is at best harrowing, and at worst downright
treacherous." The predators are everywhere... "Driving really seems to
bring out the animal in us; put an otherwise considerate and socially
adapted person in a metal cage and stick them into peak hour traffic
and you'll see them shout, swear and punish other road users in ways
they'd never dream of in a social situation." You are the bottom of
the food chain... "Size is everything; trucks intimidate 4WDs, who
muscle out compact cars. Commuting motorcyclists learn quickly to be
hyper-vigilant around anything with 4 wheels - but even their lot
can't compare to the vulnerability of bicycle riders, who travel much
slower than the speed limit, are able to own very little road space,
and typically wear only the bare minimum of protective gear." Hey, but
you may learn to use some camouflage and pretend to be from the
opposite gender... "Furthermore, Dr. Walker wore a long wig on some
trials to see if perceived gender had any effect on overtaking
distances. It certainly did - drivers gave him an average 14cm more
room." It's fascinating to know how the power games are played in the
jungle... "Perhaps, as the vehicle size data suggests, drivers simply
see overtaking a cyclist as an opportunity to stamp their road
authority on a weaker, more vulnerable competitor for tarmac space."
COMPETITION IS NOT ALLOWED, says the lion.
I'm NOT saying though that we should avoid the predators and become
couch potatoes. What I'm saying is that WE MUST GET ORGANIZED if we
want to come out from the back alleys, gutters and sidewalks.
And it's all science...
Bicycle helmets - a road safety hazard?
May 14, 2007 A British scientist has proved that wearing a bicycle
helmet actually exposes cyclists to further risk. Overtaking traffic
passed helmeted cyclists with significantly less room than unhelmeted
cyclists - and the bigger the vehicle, the closer the average passing
distance was. As civilised as we pretend to be elsewhere, we
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Road psychology is fascinating. Driving really seems to bring out the
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dream of in a social situation. It's mankind at its prmitive worst;
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Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist from the University of Bath,
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again - 23cm closer on average than a car.
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What are the implications? Perhaps when drivers see male riders suited
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Perhaps, as the vehicle size data suggests, drivers simply see
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Either way, the research throws a very interesting slant on the
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contemporary, does wearing a helmet actually make bicycle commuting
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A fascinating psychological study. Want to see a person's true
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http://www.gizmag.com/go/7255/
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From: Cheapo Groovo
In article <e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-
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> Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
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> there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
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> just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
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> with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
> mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
> blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>
> NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
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> the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
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>
> That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
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You won't be picking on bike riders much longer. When gas hits $4.50 a
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 15 2008 8:41 am
From: ComandanteBanana
On Apr 15, 11:18 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <e09cfb36-654a-4f72-96fd-
> 277ae5ce6...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
>
>
> > Just Saturday morning I was almost attacked for doing the right thing
> > on the Causeway to Hell (the name is due to the many incidents I had
> > there, this being the third one that day). The guy blew the horn as I
> > was riding the bike nicely, and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't
> > have, but he didn't have to harass me with the horn. He stopped,
> > insulted me, wanted to fight me, and spit at me before taking off. It
> > just happens that I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk across
> > its bridges! No more biking on that road, or any other road shared
> > with traffic. Predators like this will always be encouraged to
> > mistreat cyclists due to the lack of respect given to us. No more than
> > blacks that were forced to ride in the back of buses...
>
> > NOTE: For the reasons given above, I do NOT recommend that you give
> > the finger to anyone. Not because they don't deserve it, but because
> > the lion is waiting for any excuse to eat the monkey. Instead, I do
> > recommend you give them the finger in a nice civilized way. Something
> > like "You can eat my banana" on the back of the T-shirt will still
> > give them the finger, but with vaseline, so to speak.
>
> > That was my best route out... I've found instead an alley that takes me
> > into town. That's where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys,
> > gutters and sidewalks.
>
> > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? ;)
> >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > BIKE FOR PEACE
> >http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
>
> Glad the debate is civil here. :-))
>
> You won't be picking on bike riders much longer. When gas hits $4.50 a
> gallon and the roads you drive are all foreign operated tollways!
>
> The skyway is $3 one way, and the IN toll road costs 13 cents a mile w/o
> the transponder.
>
> http://www.cheapogroovo.com- Hide quoted text -
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I'm not sure that's gonna squeeze the lions though. Just the wannabes
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I'll explain, the filthy rich won't care about the prices, but the
ones that today buy SUVs to look the part, will go down the drain.
Still it would be a welcome relief if 80% of the SUVs went the way of
the dinosuars...
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Get the James Washer
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In article <9449e44c-68db-46c1-b7f8-
efadd93fb8df@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, rbooth9858@yahoo.com says...
> On Apr 6, 7:34 pm, Joe <joe5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > will the savings I make on water and electricity be substantial enough
> > to pay for a new washer? Anyone notice lower utitily bills after
> > replacing old top loader with front loader or is the difference not
> > noticeable?
>
> If you're moving from a top loader to a front loader to save operating
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> recover your additional purchase cost over an equivalent top loader -
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> washing machine grave yard.
>
> If you want to make the change because it's a "greener" product (which
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>
> Regards,
> Sarge
>
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> On Apr 9, 8:52 am, THE-MAG...@webtv.net wrote:
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> >
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> > multi-billion dollar industry. Not only do Americans spend millions of
> > dollars on legal pharmaceutical drugs in Mexico, but they also prop the
> > Mexican economy through billions of dollars of supposedly 'illegal'
> > Mexican drugs.
> >
> > Tons of cocaine are transported easily from South America and into the
> > U. S across our Southern border. The weed (marijuana) trade supports
> > thousands along the borders and in the pot growing regions of Mexico.
> > The Mexican governments futile attempts at cleaning up border towns like
> > Nuevo Laredo and others is only because it benefits them to keep them
> > lawless. The drug trade along the Mexican border has created thousands
> > of instant millionaires along the border, in Mexico and in the U. S. A..
> >
> > Illegal immigrants that enter the U. S. are couriers and drug pushers
> > for most of the illegal drugs entering the U. S.. Mexicans nationals and
> > Mexican-Americans living in the Southwestern border-states control the
> > illegal drug trade in Marijuana, Cocaine and Heroin as well as the
> > thriving drug trade in pharmaceutical drugs manufactured in Mexico.
> > Another residual effect of the drug trade is the prevalence of gangs in
> > the U. S.. Gangs are simply disposable retail drug operations for the
> > organized drug dealers. And gang members carry out the dirty work for
> > the drug dealers so they never get their hands dirty.
> >
> > Mexican organized crime is no different than Italian crime families and
> > the Mafia. They expect loyalty or the price is death. Where there is
> > drug dealing there is prostitution. Hundreds perhaps thousands of women
> > have wound up dead and discarded into the desert. Many of these were the
The Globalists who control the MNCs
> > illegal immigrants that are entering and living in the U. S., the more
> > the organized drug lords have to spread their goods and earn them a
> > lucrative living. Tighten the borders and you tighten the noose on the
> > criminals. It won't stop them completely.
> >
> > As long as weed is a highly desired illegally commodity in the U. S.,
> > the drug lords will continue to make a killing on this easily grown,
> > cheap agricultural product worth increasingly more on this side of the
> > border only because it is illegal.
> >
> > 3) CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS IN THE U. S. - Illegal immigration has been
> > a windfall for developers and contractors in the building trades as well
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billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com says...
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>
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