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TOPIC: Let's blessing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 5:51 pm
From: chinagood018@yahoo.cn

Love without frontiers

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TOPIC: I CONVERTED MY CAR TO A HYBRID FOR ABOUT $150
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 6:56 pm
From: larry

Seerialmom wrote:
> On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
>>> Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
>>> get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
>>> car:
>>
>> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff like, how
>> much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny day, what's the range
>> at night, how long does it take to recharge using solar alone, how long to
>> recharge from the plug?
>
> I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
> solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
> electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
> behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
> can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D

TV news had a story of a fella that took a small car and
removed the engine and bolted an electric (DC) motor to the
transaxle. He could charge it with a 110 or 220 cord in a
few hours, for about 1/10th the cost of gasoline. He had
several hundred dollars in the conversion, but he only had a
20-25 mile range (45 mph max speed). Even in Dallas, that
would be very limiting. And I think it would be difficult
finding a place to "plug in" to make it back home. And with
no a/c, I think my bike would be more tolerable. Or a $3
all day bus pass ;-)

Back in '86 I had a Phoenix friend that did the same thing
with a compact stationwagon. He used an aircraft motor/
generator and recovered some power from braking. The back of
the wagon was stuffed with rebuilt car batteries that did
give him enough range to cover Phoenix. After a summer of
use, he gave it to one of the local universities.

Seems like a localized bio system might be usable.
Individually grow corn or sugar cane, something that has a
high energy per pound ratio. It would be a solar driven,
and even waste (stalks) could be used in winter for heating.
We can't beat the battle as long as it's based on
international pricing whims, all hydrocarbons are priced in
$ per therm now. Price set by traders on what they can make
you believe it's worth and how little is left. Enron was a
wakeup call, that type of manipulation is now international.

-- larry / dallas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

larry <foo@foobar.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
>>>> Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value
>>>> to get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar
>>>> powered car:
>>>
>>> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff
>>> like, how much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny
>>> day, what's the range at night, how long does it take to recharge
>>> using solar alone, how long to recharge from the plug?
>>
>> I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
>> solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
>> electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
>> behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
>> can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D
>
> TV news had a story of a fella that took a small car and
> removed the engine and bolted an electric (DC) motor to the
> transaxle. He could charge it with a 110 or 220 cord in a
> few hours, for about 1/10th the cost of gasoline. He had
> several hundred dollars in the conversion, but he only had a
> 20-25 mile range (45 mph max speed). Even in Dallas, that
> would be very limiting. And I think it would be difficult
> finding a place to "plug in" to make it back home. And with
> no a/c, I think my bike would be more tolerable. Or a $3
> all day bus pass ;-)
>
> Back in '86 I had a Phoenix friend that did the same thing
> with a compact stationwagon. He used an aircraft motor/
> generator and recovered some power from braking. The back of
> the wagon was stuffed with rebuilt car batteries that did
> give him enough range to cover Phoenix. After a summer of
> use, he gave it to one of the local universities.
>
> Seems like a localized bio system might be usable.
> Individually grow corn or sugar cane, something that has a
> high energy per pound ratio. It would be a solar driven,
> and even waste (stalks) could be used in winter for heating.
> We can't beat the battle as long as it's based on
> international pricing whims, all hydrocarbons are priced in
> $ per therm now.

Nope, most obviously with power stations based on coal mines.

> Price set by traders on what they can make
> you believe it's worth and how little is left.

Nope, most obviously with power stations based on coal mines.

> Enron was a wakeup call,

Not on that it wasnt.

> that type of manipulation is now international.

No it isnt.

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TOPIC: Ways to conserve energy & fuel
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4146c70c260ff87e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:06 pm
From: larry

Peter Franks wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>> Some tips:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html
>
> "If you're going to spend $$ for coffee, spend it at a warm, lighted,
> sit-down cafe where you will get:
> free electricity for your laptop or for a charger
> free warmth in winter, which is cheaper than heating your home
> free napkins to use in the car or home "
>
> Pure feel-good garbage.
>
> NOTHING is conserved here, you are just transferring the direct costs of
> these goods to the shop owner who then indirectly passes the costs back
> to the consumer by way of higher prices.
>
> If you are going to conserve, stop drinking coffee and don't go mooch
> off of other people.

Several months ago when StarBux did the retraining shutdown,
local TV was interviewing the inconvenienced. One guy was
really upset because he had several hours of internet
business stuff to get done. The reporter asked about
missing the coffee and he said he never bought anything
there ;-)

--larry / dallas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:42 pm
From: Fran

On May 22, 9:38 am, Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > Some tips:
>
> >http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html
>
> "If you're going to spend $$ for coffee, spend it at a warm, lighted,
> sit-down cafe where you will get:
> free electricity for your laptop or for a charger
> free warmth in winter, which is cheaper than heating your home
> free napkins to use in the car or home "
>
> Pure feel-good garbage.
>
> NOTHING is conserved here, you are just transferring the direct costs of
> these goods to the shop owner who then indirectly passes the costs back
> to the consumer by way of higher prices.
>

I wouldn't disagree there.

> If you are going to conserve, stop drinking coffee and don't go mooch
> off of other people.

True. Of course, one can have cheap warmth by wearing warmer clothes,
having better insulation, having a better designed home, making use of
ground heat, passive solar etc. It may well make sense to live in
medium or high density buildings where the capital costs of energy
efficiency can be spread across more users per area of space and where
each user demands less space. If this enables you to live closer to
work, then there's another energy saving.

Fran

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TOPIC: ████ FREE EBOOK - TRADE STOCKS ANYWHERE ANYTIME ████
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:47 pm
From: ceedublock

Trade Stocks Anywhere Anytime
Download Your Free EBook Now !!!

http://www.10000elephants.com/pinv.html

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TOPIC: hai dear friendz
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:57 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

The Real Bev wrote:
> ... So far every single piece of spam
> I've seen today has been from googlegroups.
>
> If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.

The world is doomed. Pick almost anything and someone has predicted
that it will doom the world. Sooner or later, someone has to be right.
Perhaps we've been doomed already, several times.

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote
> The Real Bev wrote

>> ... So far every single piece of spam
>> I've seen today has been from googlegroups.

>> If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.
>
> The world is doomed. Pick almost anything and someone has predicted
> that it will doom the world. Sooner or later, someone has to be right.

Nope, not if we dont end up with doom.

We survived two world wars, the great depression
and countless other wars and we'll survive, you watch.

> Perhaps we've been doomed already, several times.

Or perhaps we survived two world wars, the great depression
and countless other wars and we'll survive, you watch.

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TOPIC: This is supposed to be an election where all the votes are counted, not
a Madonna concert !
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:04 pm
From: tobetbaa

There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
count all the votes.

http://surftofind.com/obama

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:08 pm
From: John Larkin

On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:13 -0700 (PDT), tobetbaa
<tobetbaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
>climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
>will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
>election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
>staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
>after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
>Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
>count all the votes.
>
>http://surftofind.com/obama

Obama as Hillary's vp: Back of the bus with you, boy.

John

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:33 pm
From: Bill Marcum

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2008-05-22, tobetbaa <tobetbaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
And if all the legal votes aren't enough to nominate the candidate you
want, change the rules until you do.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 10:15 pm
From: Robert Baer

tobetbaa wrote:

> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

Remember, in Florida, voting booths will be stolen, tampered with and
"cloned", along witha lot of dead people voting.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:13 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Robert Baer wrote:
>
> tobetbaa wrote:
>
> > There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> > climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> > will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> > election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> > staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> > after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> > Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> > count all the votes.
> >
> > http://surftofind.com/obama
> Remember, in Florida, voting booths will be stolen, tampered with and
> "cloned", along witha lot of dead people voting.

No need with the new electronic voting machines. The vendor will
chose who you vote for, and save you the trouble. There is no paper
trail to challenge the results, so how can you prove who won?

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:14 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

tobetbaa wrote:
>
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

Why surf? He isn't worth finding. With his comments like 'Typical
White man', it's obvious that he's racist.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:36 pm
From: OrangeSFO

On May 21, 11:13 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> No need with the new electronic voting machines.

Florida banned touch-screen voting

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:39 pm
From: OrangeSFO

On May 21, 9:04 pm, tobetbaa <tobet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

If I'm not mistaken, Obama took his name off the ballot (or never
petitioned to be on the ballot), respecting the rules of the DNC.
Hillary did not. How can a delegation representing those
circumstances be considered legit?

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TOPIC: Thoughts on SUV Purchase...
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:19 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On May 20, 6:10 pm, jd <no...@yodoor.biz> wrote:

> It's weird that so many people hate minivans. Most minivans look better
> than most SUV's. Plus a minivan is cheaper, gets better gas mileage, and
> holds a lot more people/cargo than an SUV.

The crossover SUVs are very similar to minivans having front wheel
drive and based on a car's platform with unibody construction.

I am disappointed that there aren't any hybrid minivans being marketed
in the USA.

Before I retired, I biked to work when conditions were appropriate.
Now, I use the minivan to haul the bikes to some scenic bike trail.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: Al Gore & Naaman Mohan
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:26 pm
From: Dan Birchall

naamanmohan@hotmail.com (naamanmohan@hotmail.com) wrote:
> Mr. Naaman Mohan a 25 year old Australian entrepreneur visited LA last
> week to meet with Al gore to further discuss the opportunities for
> sustainable business practices, to help combat climate change and
> global warming. Mr Al gore assured Mr Naaman Mohan that on his next
> visit to Australia the pair would once again meet to ?discuss an
> implementation plan for the proposed ideas. Mr Naaman Mohan thanked M.
> Al gore for the opportunity to discuss these pressing issues with such
> a talented and well renowned individual.

Mr. Dan Birchall dislikes people who talk about themselves in the third
person.

http://08016.com/ - Burlington City history on the internet, since 1995.

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TOPIC: What's the best purchase you've ever made and why ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:56 pm
From: Charlie Perrin

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:34:42 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Charlie Perrin wrote:

>>Computer table bought in 1982-1983.

>what brand and model?

All I can remember is I bought it at Radio Shack. It's even survived
four moves.

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TOPIC: Sony HC5E low frame rate in low light
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:19 pm
From: D

On May 21, 6:18 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 7:02 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 3:54 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 21, 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello!
> > > > Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
> > > > by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
> > > > 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
> > > > always fluid.
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dima
>
> > > Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a low
> > > light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen
>
> > Thanks for replying!
> > No, it's not the low light mode. I do not enable it and it is not
> > indicated on the screen.
>
> You said panoramic is that a special wide mode, if its new take it
> back, sony manuals are junk, and I found options even Sony support did
> not even know that are not in my manual, that I could shoot stills
> while taking video on an old unit. They have so much new stuff out its
> hard to know all the operating parameters on every model. Keep looking
> you will figure it out, but color slow shutter may be automatic and
> its on with Night Shot on mine- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Mark for replying!
Panoramic video means that you turn a camcorder around its axis during
recording.
The Color slow shutter mode does not turn automatically, but manually
only.

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