Frugal Living: 23 new messages in 9 topics

Tuesday, May 20, 2008

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TOPIC: SMOKING BAN LAWS RESULTS ~ CHEAPSKATE EXCERCISE PITS FAILING !
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 10:37 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On May 19, 8:46 pm, Betten_M...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Smart smoker's won't shop in any malls.

Smart smokers is an oxymoron.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 3:21 pm
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <1211236764.946244@irys.nyx.net>, anon3c67@nyx.nyx.net
says...
> In article <e0d3dfb4-16ca-4a57-acae-3b31be91c10f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> <Betten_Mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Proof The Smokers are the Spenders.
> >Ban The Smoker's Will You !
> >Adopt a Ban in your state if you Dare...
> >Make No Mistake ! This is REALITY!
>
> >Villa Italia: Lakewood, CO [offsite]
>
> I was at the site just last month enjoying pub food and
> a craft beer in a pub that used to have a problem with smoke.
>
> The old mall was so 1970s. It was deteriorating. The shops
> left one by one. The site now is open air with a city-like
> layout. It's now called Bel Mar. Plenty of shops, restaurants,
> markets. There is a very large Whole Foods and a very large
> Dick's Sporting Goods. I count 16 restaurants and cafes
> from the directory. In all there are 82 businesses.
> Open Air is now the rage. Northfields, where the old
> airport used to be, is new. They built a similar layout
> on the grounds that used to be Cinderella City. That was
> touted to be the largest mall west of the Mississippi when
> it opened in the 60s. It's now a mix of shops and condos
> next to one of the light rail stations.
>
> The demise of malls isn't because of smoking bans.
> Villa Italia closed about 8 years ago. Our smoking ban
> is not quite 2 years old. I supposed getting that nicotine
> fix is now easier for the addict in such venues. Of course
> they have to be 15 feet away from an entrance but smoking
> is permitted in outdoor dining. Our climate permits outdoor
> dining from about mid April to mid October.
>
> Try again. If smoking bans were bad for the economy they would
> be repealed right and left.
>
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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 3:57 pm
From: Truly Stunned

In article
<c99269a5-3078-4471-84e7-ea94ba18347d@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Betten_Mann@yahoo.com wrote:

> > Try again. If smoking bans were bad for the economy they would
> > be repealed right and left.
>
> Just Enjoy it while you can.
>
>
> Open air is now the rage...
> Bwahahahahahahhaa

Good God, Mann. Relax, would you? Have a smoke. Here, light one up.
MMmmmmm. Feel that good old nicotine burn? Let's put that one out and
light another. Ahhh, freshness like springtime! All done? Just toss the
butt out of your car window, saves emptying the ashtray. Yeah, flick it.
You can shoot it over there. Here, light another... where did you put
that stupid Bic? Oh, man, that's great. That smell sticks to your
fingers, doesn't it? It makes you think of cool tough guys and beautiful
dames, doesn't it? Smoking girls are the easiest, anyway- they know
smoking makes tongues hotter. Uh-oh, you're almost out. Only a couple
left in the pack. Better pick up an extra carton or two. You never know
when something bad might happen, like a war or a depression or
something, and you want to make sure you have enough smokes to tide you
over. Mann, that would be awful wouldn't it? If something like that
happened and you didn't have hardly any left? You still might be able to
scrounge some smokable butts out of ashtrays... IF anyone still smoked.
Smokes are really the only friend you can count on in the end.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:00 pm
From: Betten_Mann@yahoo.com

On May 19, 9:24 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <e0d3dfb4-16ca-4a57-acae-3b31be91c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Betten_M...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Proof The Smokers are the Spenders.
> > Ban The Smoker's Will You !
> > Adopt a Ban in your state if you Dare...
> > Make No Mistake ! This is REALITY!
>
> > Her's our next candidate to join our list !
>
> >http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/61313/
>
> Exactly where in your posting or the above cited news report is there
> any reference to "smoking," "smoke,", or even "smok?"
>
> Nothing in that article about the Goody's store closing due to a smoking
> ban. Nothing in that article cites anything involving smoking at all.
>
> Hell, in NJ where I live, we have a very wide-ranging public smoking
> ban. Despite this, there's a large shopping mall only five minutes from
> where I live that has virtually no vacancies at all and the place is
> always packed whenever I go there, and several new stores have opened
> there in the past few months, plus a large Macy's is currently under
> construction there.
>
> In contrast, there's a strip mall directly up the street from where I
> live that has been mostly empty since I moved here over 12 years ago,
> which is long before NJ banned public smoking.

There were people walking around everywhere.
Now, there are a lot of people walking,
but many of them are like us, just for exercise.
Management keeps the place clean and the floors polished real nice,
but I do wonder sometimes how they can keep going and if there's
enough shopping traffic to stay open."

Is this what the article says?
Cheapskates ~ No?

Go ahead give the smokers the list of malls that
still provide astrays and have excerciser's walking & jogging.

Yes, the malls were ahead of the legal ban,
and the cheapskates lead the way.

what's the matter, anti~smokers don't want the credit
for this economic impact?
Face reality.

So the list grows..

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:13 pm
From: Betten_Mann@yahoo.com

On May 19, 9:45 pm, anon3...@nyx.nyx.net (Bruce Watson) wrote:
> In article <c99269a5-3078-4471-84e7-ea94ba183...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <Betten_M...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just Enjoy it while you can.
>
> Like I said if smoking bans were responsible for a decline
> in business--and therefore a decline in taxes--towns would be repealing
> them faster than you can count.
>
> That's not happening. On the contrary, they are being passed
> faster than you can count.
>
> Learn to live with it or stay home with your drug that doesn't
> do anything. See if anybody cares.

Nobody Cares??

What you doing here then...
Is this the best medium you have to spread the word...

CHEAPSKATE

That's the word....

The repeals will come....
after the damage ....and you crybabies and nanny's
will be done for good.

There's no profit with non smokers...
their all cheapskates.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:35 pm
From: anon3c67@nyx.nyx.net (Bruce Watson)

In article <5f5f50a4-743d-4606-9fc0-1610f6d8b444@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
<Betten_Mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, the malls were ahead of the legal ban,
>and the cheapskates lead the way.
>
>what's the matter, anti~smokers don't want the credit
>for this economic impact?

It's been pointed out rents were higher in malls than
stand-alone stores. Couple that with cheap Chinese
goods and shopping on the Internet.

Smoking bans had nothing to do with the demise of malls.
You give smokers too much credit. If they were a driving
economic force by insisting their addiction being catered
to, bans would be repealed in large numbers. How many times
do I have to say it? That isn't happening. Learn to live with it.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:44 pm
From: anon3c67@nyx.nyx.net (Bruce Watson)

In article <66878c8e-97c1-4d0a-a5ff-1e16be49dae0@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
<Betten_Mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>The repeals will come....

When?

Aspen, Colorado's ban is 23 years old. Old enough to drink.

Towns in California and Massachusetts passed them in the late
1980s & early 1990s. The rest of the nation followed. The
trend really took off in the 21st century.

Enactment is what's happening, not repeal.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 10:39 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On May 16, 10:23 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why is it necessary to have a hot shower?
>
> People jump into swimming pools which have cool water and find it
> refreshing!
>
> Turn that water heater temperature down and save money...

It's not necessary, but it's pleasurable. Reason enough for me.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: Camcorder Hard Drive - Find Tips - SALES on Camcorders all Brand Names
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 11:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
> In rec.video.production Jacques E. Bouchard <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I still don't understand why so many people seemingly find the task
>> of SKIPPING undesirable posts so damn challenging. Maybe they're
>> chewing gum
>> at the same time and can't muster the concentration. Or maybe it's
>> the
>> way some people have of making a big show of killfiling, as if to
>> give
>> some meaning to their otherwise meaningless and inconsequential drop
>> in
>> the ocean that is usenet.
>
> If there were just a few spam posts, skipping them would not be a
> problem. But (some?) spammers are flooding (at least some) newsgroups
> with so much spam that it becomes hard to find legitimate posts.
> Instead of having a screen or two of legitimate threads, I see a
> flood of many screens of spam.
>
> It also slows down loading up the threads when changing groups (I
> read more than one group).
>
> It also drives some people away from Usenet.
>
> The volume of spam could also be overloading some Usenet NNTP links
> and result in additional delays. If we don't get this under control,
> it will.
>
> "Just press D to delete" has never worked for email spam. Why would
> the equivalent work for Usenet?
>
> Google does have smart content analysis programs that can rather
> effectively detect spam. They use it on INCOMING email. They need
> to start using it on OUTGOING email _and_ on Usenet posts. Even if
> they used it only on accounts that are "new" (in terms of when first
> being used to send email or do posts, not in terms of when
> registered), it can dramatically reduce the spam. Once an account
> has established a "reputation" over time of NOT spamming, then the
> analysis applied on that account can be reduced and eventually
> eliminated.

> Google _can_ do these things.

Yes.

> If blocking them now gets them to do these things,

It wont, you watch.

> I'd consider it a success.

Taint gunna happen that way.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 1:15 pm
From: George Orwell

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 3:22 pm
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <d9baa57042b482cb3f2c8ec7dd657e5f@mixmaster.it>,
nobody@mixmaster.it says...
> To make sure your bike is never stolen again!
>
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>
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>

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>
>
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 4:40 pm
From: Anonymous Sender

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TOPIC: "U.S. court: currency discriminates against the blind"
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 2:36 pm
From: jd

An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind because
blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. This is
another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be saying that
Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't
operate motorcycles.

There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense isn't
a requirement to go into law.

A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
$10's.

They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
they know what's in each pouch.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:12 pm
From: Seerialmom

On May 20, 2:36 pm, jd <no...@yodoor.biz> wrote:
> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind because
> blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. This is
> another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be saying that
> Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't
> operate motorcycles.
>
> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense isn't
> a requirement to go into law.
>
> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> $10's.
>
> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
> they know what's in each pouch.
>
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Should be interesting to see how this pans out. On a semi-related
note, a long time cashier at the main courthouse in Sacramento is
blind. AFAIK he hasn't been cheated by patrons, even though $1 feels
the same as $5?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:30 pm
From: "Lou"

"jd" <noone@yodoor.biz> wrote in message
news:Xns9AA4B28B7F129nooneyodoorbiz@38.119.97.3...
> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind
because
> blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. This is
> another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be saying that
> Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't
> operate motorcycles.
>
> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense isn't
> a requirement to go into law.
>
> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> $10's.
>
> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
> they know what's in each pouch.

I seem to recall that at least some European countries have had paper money
in different sizes for different denominations, and I have a hazy memory
that at one time that was the practice in the US as well.

Without commenting on the merits or otherwise of the ruling, under your
scenario an unscrupulous bank teller could count out bills of any
denomination regardless of what the recipient asked for, and there'd be no
way for a blind person to tell.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 3:21 pm
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <6c5f6d1f-d1fe-4e2c-805e-690c36da81b3
@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, ron@shell.core.com says...
> On May 18, 12:34 pm, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
>
> > I wish we could go that direction... But the wife is set on a non-minivan
> > so you know how that goes...
>
> The Hybrid Highlander would be the safest option, but if you are
> looking at cost, look at the Kia Rondo or Mazda5.
>
> --
> Ron
>
>
Buy a bike instead

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 4:06 pm
From: Paul M. Eldridge

On a somewhat related note, crude oil prices hit $129.60 in today's
trading and the national average for regular unleaded now stands at
$3.80, with media reports telling us it could reach the $4.00 mark by
Memorial Day (only 20-cents to go!).

Locally, we're paying $1.339 per litre which works out to be $5.07 per
gallon, but in other parts of Canada it's even higher (e.g.,
$1.411/litre in Yellowknife).

Cheers,
Paul

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 4:10 pm
From: jd

>>> I wish we could go that direction... But the wife is set on a
>>> non-minivan so you know how that goes...

It's weird that so many people hate minivans. Most minivans look better
than most SUV's. Plus a minivan is cheaper, gets better gas mileage, and
holds a lot more people/cargo than an SUV.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:27 pm
From: "Joe"

> Buy a bike instead

Can't make the 70 mile commute on a bicycle so I presume you mean a
motorcycle... And I already have one. my car gets better mileage and costs
less to maintain, etc.
--

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 5:27 pm
From: "Joe"

> I think there are two things in play. One is NJ has the highest per capita
> wealth in the US so there are a number of people who can afford whatever
> they want no matter how wasteful it is. So when it is time to buy their
> new his and hers fluffed up trucks each year to haul themselves and their
> coffee around cost/waste/efficiency etc are all very secondary
> considerations.
>
> Second are the people who associate any change in what they do as
> destroying their "freedom" (no one is going to tell *ME* what to do). So
> they will do anything to rationalize driving a big fluffed up truck to
> haul themselves and their large coffee around no matter how silly and
> expensive it becomes.

Agreed and agreed... As I was driving home in my 1997 Sentra, missing a hub
cap and with the engine warning light on due to some unknown problem... I
wondered how many miles past 170,000 it would get before it died and I
needed to get myself a new beater commuter vehicle. Then I noticed the car
in front of me and the one directly to my left were both Masarati four
seater coupes. Something like a SportGT? I couldn't read the emblem
between the door posts...

Luckily, we need the SUV only for capacity and not for distance. My wife
drives about 20 miles a week total so it's going to get lots of use with the
multiple kiddies and my trips to Home Depot, but it won't cost me a million
$$$ in gas as if I were using it for my 70 mile round trip commute.
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

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TOPIC: Inexpensive car radio?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b899db711e6062b?hl=en
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Date: Tues, May 20 2008 7:09 pm
From: Sofa Slug

Ken wrote:
> Where'a a good, preferably local, place to buy a very basic reliable
> generic radio for a 20-year-old pickup? Just the AM/FM with a couple of
> station buttons. No CD, tape, high power, GPS, fancy displays, quad
> sound, etc. needed. Chinese junk or good stuff?
>
> Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, ... Who?
>
> TIA
>
> Ken
>

Why not get the original radio that came with your truck? It's likely
that you can find one on Ebay or at a wrecking yard, and you know it's
going to fit. Another plus is that thieves generally ignore stock AM/FM
radios. The tape deck (if it has one) may or may not work, but that's
apparently not an issue.

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