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Date: Sun, May 11 2008 11:38 pm
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 12:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote

>>> and I will go so far as to say that being active is a non-optional part of a healthy lifestyle.

>> You're just plain wrong on that and cant substantiate that
>> claim with any rigorous peer reviewed scientific study.

> Feel free to check out scientific studies on any of the following points:

> 1. Heart disease is one of the most common causes of death.

Nothing to do with your claim.

> Lack of exercise is a risk factor for heart attacks.

Lack of exercise aint the same thing as being active.

> 2. Of those who do have a heart attack, those who get regular
> exercise have better chances of surviving afterwards.

Different matter entirely to your claim.

> 3. High blood pressure is a risk factor for a lot of things,
> from heart attack and stroke to glaucoma. Regular
> cardiovascular exercise works against high blood pressure.

That hasnt been established with the worst blood pressures seen.

> 4. Lack of exercise is a risk factor for type 2 diabetes.

Lack of exercise aint the same thing as being active.

And JUST lack of exercise and no other risk factors for type
2 diabetes doesnt see an increased risk of type 2 diabetes.

> 5. Regular cardiovascular exercise increases your HDL ("good
> cholesterol") and decreases your LDL ("bad cholesterol").

Wrong when those are in the acceptable range already.

> 6. Weight training and other weight-bearing exercise increases your bone density.

Nothing like your claim.

> 7. Exercise helps you get better sleep.

Not if you sleep fine without the exercise it doesnt.

> If you think this stuff isn't important for good health,

What I think wasnt what was being discussed. What was being
discussed was what can be established with rigorous science.

> then I guess regular exercise isn't necessary.

Regular exercise aint the same thing as being active.

> Or if you think the above are not actually benefits of exercise, then regular exercise isn't necessary in that case
> either.

What I think wasnt what was being discussed. What was being
discussed was what can be established with rigorous science.

There's plenty of people who are very healthy without bothering with the sort of exercise you list above.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 12:50 am
From:
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:48277a36$0$31747$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>h wrote:
>> Yes, you were still very sick because, unfortunately, the medical
>> profession knows nothing about healthy nutrition. If you had cut out all
>> carbs instead of all fats, you would have lost even more weight and your
>> gallbladder would have been fine. Doctors don't cure disease, they just
>> treat symptoms.
>
> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order to lose
> weight,
> that's a symptom that something else is wrong. Taken care of properly,
> the
> human body can tolerate carbs in the diet quite well; in fact, it needs
> them.
> What do marathon runners traditionally eat the night before the race? A
> big
> pasta dinner. And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many
> carbs as
> possible. Because they need them. Because they are active. Like the
> human
> body is meant to be.
>

You don't "have" to cut them out, you're just so much healthier if you do.
Carbs are sugar, and your body can make all the sugar it needs from protein
and fat. The reason that people eat lots of carbs prior to heavy exercise is
that they've trained their bodies to burn sugar instead of fat. If you feed
your body mostly sugar (carbs), then you will never be a fat burning
machine. You'll always get that sugar crash, or feel the need to load up on
carbs instead of protein and fat. I was a ballet dancer for years, and I was
VERY active for 5-6 hours a day, every day. I never ate more than 30 grams
of carbs a day and never needed them. These days, I'm only able to find the
time for about 1 hour of vigorous exercise, but I still haven't gained any
weight from my ballet days of 30 years ago.

And as far as low-carb not being healthy, that's the exact opposite of the
truth. If you actually tried it for 30 days (for real, not cheating) you
would feel SO MUCH BETTER than you do now and have so much more energy than
you thought possible, that you'd never go back to eating carbs. Carbs are
what food eats.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 9:51 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On May 11, 8:43 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order to
> >> lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong. Taken
> >> care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the diet quite
> >> well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners traditionally
> >> eat the night before the race? A big pasta dinner. And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many carbs as
> >> possible. Because they need them. Because they are active. Like the human
> >> body is meant to be.
>
> > It was never 'meant to be' THAT active.
>
> Well sure, marathons are somewhat extreme (though not as extreme as the
> 100 mile runs and stuff like that). The point, though, is that when you're
> active, you need carbs, because you need energy. You will not need as
> many as a marathon runner, but you need them. If you never need carbs,
> it's probably because you're not active, and I will go so far as to say
> that being active is a non-optional part of a healthy lifestyle.

I think a good Paleolithic hunt might have stretched to marathon
length,
depending on the quarry. Just spitballing here, of course.

Cindy Hamilton

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 11:03 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <4827f526$0$7042$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>
>"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:48277a36$0$31747$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order to lose
>> weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong. Taken care of
>> properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the diet quite well; in
>> fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners traditionally eat the
>> night before the race? A big pasta dinner. And why? Because they are
>> trying to load up on as many carbs as possible. Because they need
>> them. Because they are active. Like the human body is meant to be.
>
>You don't "have" to cut them out, you're just so much healthier if you do.
>Carbs are sugar, and your body can make all the sugar it needs from protein
>and fat.

Eat more than some certain amount of protein, and that is unhealthy.
Metabolism of protein produces ammonia and urea, and more of that means
more strain on the kidneys.

> The reason that people eat lots of carbs prior to heavy exercise is
>that they've trained their bodies to burn sugar instead of fat.

Training or not, sugar is what muscles burn most readily, and the liver
can only make it out of other things at a limited rate.

> If you feed
>your body mostly sugar (carbs), then you will never be a fat burning
>machine. You'll always get that sugar crash, or feel the need to load up on
>carbs instead of protein and fat.

The crash only occurs if insulin overshoots. Unless one is diabetic, in
poor shape or consumes some big load of sugar or too used to eating mainly
other than carbs, the pancreas secretes the proper amount of insulin to
keep blood sugar at a good level.

> I was a ballet dancer for years, and I was
>VERY active for 5-6 hours a day, every day. I never ate more than 30 grams
>of carbs a day and never needed them. These days, I'm only able to find the
>time for about 1 hour of vigorous exercise, but I still haven't gained any
>weight from my ballet days of 30 years ago.
>
>And as far as low-carb not being healthy, that's the exact opposite of the
>truth. If you actually tried it for 30 days (for real, not cheating) you
>would feel SO MUCH BETTER than you do now and have so much more energy than
>you thought possible, that you'd never go back to eating carbs. Carbs are
>what food eats.

You also said before that if the calories are mostly carbs, most people
will gain weight on 1,000 calories a day, even if they exercise. You
said that on April 26 2008 in article
<48133cb9$0$9551$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>.

I think you lost some credibility when you said that.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 12:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote

>>>> Speaking of symptoms, if you have to cut out most carbs in order
>>>> to lose weight, that's a symptom that something else is wrong.
>>>> Taken care of properly, the human body can tolerate carbs in the
>>>> diet quite well; in fact, it needs them. What do marathon runners
>>>> traditionally eat the night before the race? A big pasta dinner.
>>>> And why? Because they are trying to load up on as many carbs
>>>> as possible. Because they need them. Because they are active.
>>>> Like the human body is meant to be.

>>> It was never 'meant to be' THAT active.

>> Well sure, marathons are somewhat extreme (though not as
>> extreme as the 100 mile runs and stuff like that). The point,
>> though, is that when you're active, you need carbs, because
>> you need energy. You will not need as many as a marathon
>> runner, but you need them. If you never need carbs, it's
>> probably because you're not active, and I will go so far as to
>> say that being active is a non-optional part of a healthy lifestyle.

> I think a good Paleolithic hunt might have stretched
> to marathon length, depending on the quarry.

Nope. You can see what they got up to from what some like the
Masai were doing even with lions when the white man showed up.

It was always about effective weapons with a human
brain behind them. Humans can never outrun animals.

There was some use of long distance runners as messengers,
but that was LONG after the bulk of the evolution had happened.

> Just spitballing here, of course.

Yep, thats all you are doing.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 3:52 am
From: "John Grabowski"

"Donna" <donnaohl26@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:10:44 -0400, John Grabowski wrote:
>
>> You need to remove the chrome escution from the wall. It should pry off
>> easily. It may be held on by some caulk or just a gasket in back, but be
>> gentle and pry around it so that you not deform it.
>
> Hi John Grabowski,
> You're the second person to recommend removing the chrome "escutcheon".
> There are two problems with that - the first is that it's stuck on and I'm
> scared of cutting it away - but - the second is that others here say we
> don't have to remove that chrome escutcheon.
>
> When I look at the diagram on the Delta site, I can't tell (I can't find
> the instructions for taking the Delta faucet apart on the Delta web site).
> http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
>
> Can you tell, from this diagram, whether I need to remove the escutcheon
> next (which means cutting it away from the tile) or if I need to somehow
> spin out the brass cylinder with pliars?
>
> Donna

From the diagram it looks as though there is a screw in the center that
needs to be removed and that may be what is keeping the remaining parts
secure. However I don't see that screw in your actual photograph. According
to Big Jake the escutcheon does not need to be removed on this particular
valve and the diagram appears to support that claim. However I am wondering
what role that big round piece which is probably behind the escutcheon plays
in all of this. The escutcheon is probably just stuck to the wall from
caulk. If you want to remove it, try getting a small flat screwdriver or a
putty knife behind it and gingerly work your way around.

I have found that plumbing instructions, like electrical instructions are
written for people who already know how to do this type of work so no great
detail is provided.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 9:43 am
From: Donna

On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:22 -0400, John Grabowski wrote:

> I am wondering what role that big round piece which is probably
> behind the escutcheon plays in all of this.

Hi John, Joe, Jake, Joseph, etc.

That big round brass bonnet turns out to be fundamental to the cartridge
removal process! I called Delta again this morning (800-345-3358) for one
of my most amazing customer support phone calls.

First off, I didn't have to press 1 for English (why isn't that always the
default!), second, they answered the phone right away (wow!), third it was
a human who answered (woo hoo!), and fourth, they knew what I was talking
about without me having to ask for the next level of support! Amazing.
Simply amazing. I went from cursing Delta to loving Delta in a single phone
call!

What Delta customer support told me on the phone was the following:
- No need to remove the escutcheon (unless we need more room)
- No need for any tools (except, in dire cases, a strap wrench)
- She called the set screw a grub screw & said it was 1/8 inch allen head
- She said I described the Delta 1300 or Delta 1400 series faucet
- The parts and procedure are the same for either shower faucet

The key is the brass bonnet ring (as you surmised):
- The brass bonnet ring spins off counter clockwise by hand
- If it won't spin by hand (it didn't for me, but, I'm not that strong)
- She said to soak a rag in a 1:1 solution of warm water & vinnegar
- Let the rag sit on the brass bonnet up to four times

In tough cases:
- If it's won't turn off by hand, she said DO NOT USE CHANNEL LOCKS!
- She was adamant about not using any two-point pliars!
- She said pliars don't apply even 360-degree pressure
- She said the only tool recommended is a "strap wrench"
- I'm not sure what a strap wrench is, but, I guess it's like a really tiny
an oil filter wrench of about 1 1/2 inch diameter.

She said:
- Once you spin out the cartridge, buy a replacement cartridge
- Reassembly is as simple as spinning the cartridge back in
- The cartridge is Delta P/N RP19804 for both faucet types
- She said it's at Lowes, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, Best Hardware, etc.

Well, I guess we know the answer. Spin out the bonnet. I am off to Ace to
see if I can find a tiny strap wrench after work today. Wish me luck!

Donna

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 10:42 am
From: Big_Jake

On May 12, 11:43 am, Donna <donnaoh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:22 -0400, John Grabowski wrote:
> > I am wondering what role that big round piece which is probably
> > behind the escutcheon plays in all of this.
>
> Hi John, Joe, Jake, Joseph, etc.
>
> That big round brass bonnet turns out to be fundamental to the cartridge
> removal process! I called Delta again this morning (800-345-3358) for one
> of my most amazing customer support phone calls.
>
> First off, I didn't have to press 1 for English (why isn't that always the
> default!), second, they answered the phone right away (wow!), third it was
> a human who answered (woo hoo!), and fourth, they knew what I was talking
> about without me having to ask for the next level of support! Amazing.
> Simply amazing. I went from cursing Delta to loving Delta in a single phone
> call!
>
> What Delta customer support told me on the phone was the following:
> - No need to remove the escutcheon (unless we need more room)
> - No need for any tools (except, in dire cases, a strap wrench)
> - She called the set screw a grub screw & said it was 1/8 inch allen head
> - She said I described the Delta 1300 or Delta 1400 series faucet
> - The parts and procedure are the same for either shower faucet
>
> The key is the brass bonnet ring (as you surmised):
> - The brass bonnet ring spins off counter clockwise by hand
> - If it won't spin by hand (it didn't for me, but, I'm not that strong)
> - She said to soak a rag in a 1:1 solution of warm water & vinnegar
> - Let the rag sit on the brass bonnet up to four times
>
> In tough cases:
> - If it's won't turn off by hand, she said DO NOT USE CHANNEL LOCKS!
> - She was adamant about not using any two-point pliars!
> - She said pliars don't apply even 360-degree pressure
> - She said the only tool recommended is a "strap wrench"
> - I'm not sure what a strap wrench is, but, I guess it's like a really tiny
> an oil filter wrench of about 1 1/2 inch diameter.
>
> She said:
> - Once you spin out the cartridge, buy a replacement cartridge
> - Reassembly is as simple as spinning the cartridge back in
> - The cartridge is Delta P/N RP19804 for both faucet types
> - She said it's at Lowes, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, Best Hardware, etc.
>
> Well, I guess we know the answer. Spin out the bonnet. I am off to Ace to
> see if I can find a tiny strap wrench after work today. Wish me luck!
>
> Donna

Good luck! That cartridge will likely set you back $30-$60. You
should probably be able to replace the two rubber "cups" for less than
a buck.

My channellocks are 4 point, but I understand their concerns. I have
distorted a brass ring badly enough to have to replace it.

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Date: Mon, May 12 2008 5:40 am
From: CellGuy

On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:54 GMT, Beachcomber wrote:

> For younger readers who might not perhaps be aware of the history, the
> name AT&T is an attempt to invoke the feelings of quality,
> reliability, and high standards of telephone service that existed
> since before 1900 and lasted well into the 1970's before the big
> break-up. The AT&T Corporation provided something like 80 to 90% of
> the local telephone service in this USA and near 100% of the long
> distance service.
>
> Everyone from the operators to the local installers were long-term
> experienced employees rigidly drilled in providing good customer
> service. It was a bureaucracy to be sure, but the people sure did
> know their stuff.
>
> These new AT&T companies exist as AT&T in name only. I've found that
> many of the service people at AT&T Wireless don't even know how to
> work the features on their own cell phones.

I worked as an engineer with Bell Labs (the R&D arm of AT&T) right out of
college and can support this statement. All equiment we designed and built
was to meet an operating life of 20 years minimum. The Bell telephones
used at home and in phone booths also met this standard. They were built
like a brick. Service was great, and call clarity was excellant.

Then our government broke up AT&T, and the downhill slide began. Cheap
imported phones were allowed on your home lines, introducing service quality
degradation. Competition spurned cost cutting on both the hardware and
customer support side. We all know the state of the landline telephone
service today. No wonder most young people don't even get a landline
phone, what with the costs of owning one. Nuiscence charges, stupid taxes,
and charges for options like voicemail that cellular carriers offer for
free.

FWIW, the only landline phone I have is for my business. The main house
phone is VOIP, and my family uses cell phones for other calls.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 5:45 am
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty"

In article <17cmnlmmahub8.1tb7ygjt7qjql.dlg@40tude.net>,
CellGuy <cellguy@seemessagebody.com> wrote:

> Then our government broke up AT&T, and the downhill slide began. Cheap
> imported phones were allowed on your home lines, introducing service quality
> degradation. Competition spurned cost cutting on both the hardware and
> customer support side. We all know the state of the landline telephone
> service today. No wonder most young people don't even get a landline
> phone, what with the costs of owning one. Nuiscence charges, stupid taxes,
> and charges for options like voicemail that cellular carriers offer for
> free.
>
> FWIW, the only landline phone I have is for my business. The main house
> phone is VOIP, and my family uses cell phones for other calls.

It's the arrogance that AT&T has that will kill them.

The landline providers could have offered us the same options that the
VoIP providers offer now--and could have done it 15 years ago. The
landline providers still have their heads in the sand with respect to
competition.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 7:22 am
From: George Grapman

CellGuy wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:54 GMT, Beachcomber wrote:
>
>> For younger readers who might not perhaps be aware of the history, the
>> name AT&T is an attempt to invoke the feelings of quality,
>> reliability, and high standards of telephone service that existed
>> since before 1900 and lasted well into the 1970's before the big
>> break-up. The AT&T Corporation provided something like 80 to 90% of
>> the local telephone service in this USA and near 100% of the long
>> distance service.
>>
>> Everyone from the operators to the local installers were long-term
>> experienced employees rigidly drilled in providing good customer
>> service. It was a bureaucracy to be sure, but the people sure did
>> know their stuff.
>>
>> These new AT&T companies exist as AT&T in name only. I've found that
>> many of the service people at AT&T Wireless don't even know how to
>> work the features on their own cell phones.
>
> I worked as an engineer with Bell Labs (the R&D arm of AT&T) right out of
> college and can support this statement. All equiment we designed and built
> was to meet an operating life of 20 years minimum. The Bell telephones
> used at home and in phone booths also met this standard. They were built
> like a brick. Service was great, and call clarity was excellant.

They were built to last because in most cases the phone company owned
them and had to replace/repair them.
>
> Then our government broke up AT&T, and the downhill slide began. Cheap
> imported phones were allowed on your home lines, introducing service quality
> degradation. Competition spurned cost cutting on both the hardware and
> customer support side. We all know the state of the landline telephone
> service today. No wonder most young people don't even get a landline
> phone, what with the costs of owning one. Nuiscence charges, stupid taxes,
> and charges for options like voicemail that cellular carriers offer for
> free.

What many people do not understand is how that anti-trust case
changed. Originally,under Carter, the plan was to separate the
manufacturing and the dial tones. AT&T controlled most of the local
telcos and overcharged them and the telcos simply passed those costs on
to the customers.
The Reagan Justice Department altered the case to have AT&T spin off
the local carriers.
There have been some advantages. When I first moved west I would look
at my clock before making a long distance call as rates dropped at 5
p.m. and again at 11.I made most of my non-business calls on weekends.
I used to be in the phone card business ands,of course, at one time
the only cards were AT&T.
What has not changed is on the local end business customers subsidize
residential users.
>
> FWIW, the only landline phone I have is for my business. The main house
> phone is VOIP, and my family uses cell phones for other calls.
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 5:45 am
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TOPIC: Mouth ulcers and IBD
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 6:21 am
From: ceshaneil@gmail.com

People suffering from Coeliac disease or IBD (Ulcerative Colitis and
Crohn's Disease) sometimes get extra-intestinal symptoms next to their
digestive problem. One of such is small ulcers in the mouth.

Recurrent Aphthous stomatitis (RAS) and recurrent intraoral herpes
(RIH) are the two most commonly presenting oral lesions in dentistry
recurrent. Recurrent Aphthous Ulcerations (RAU) is another form of
mouth ulcer but is considered an immunological deficiency. Why aphts
appear in people with Inflammatory Bowel Disease is unknown but often
it coincides with flare-ups and usually the ulcer(s) heal(s) with
remission of the IBD.

Causes of mouth ulcers can be linked to microbial disease (like
Herpes, chickenpox, infectious mononucleosis), to gastrointestinal
disease (Coeliac, Crohn's, Ulcerative Colitis), to skin disease (like
lichen planus, erythema multiforme), to blood disorders (like
leukaemia, neutropenia), to rheumatoid diseases (like systemic lupus
erythematosus, Behçet's disease, Reiter's syndrome) or to drugs
(cytotoxic agents, Nicorandril, NSAIDs and oral nicotine replacement
therapy). Reading this list you can understand why, if a mouth ulcer
persists for more than 3 weeks, a differential diagnosis should be
made, possibly via biopsy or other investigations to exclude
malignancy or serious conditions.

When not caused by a specific condition, mouth ulcers can be related
to food sensitivities or nutritional deficiencies (Oral Surg, 1982,
54: 388-95; BMJ, 1975; 2: 490-3). In one study of 330 individuals with
recurrent mouth ulcers, 14.2% proved to be deficient in Iron, Folic
Acid and/or vitamin B12. The majority of whom achieved a complete
remission when their deficiencies were eliminated by supplements. (J
Oral Path, 1978; 7: 418-23). For patients who are deficient in Zinc,
taking extra zinc supplements has proved effective (BMJ, 1975; 2:
490-3) and this is because Zinc is required for the development and
activation of T-lymphocytes. For centuries, medicated zinc bandages
have been found to have a soothing and beneficial effect on leg
ulcers.

It is well known that people with Coeliac disease, Ulcerative Colitis
and Crohn's Disease suffer from a varying degree of impaired tolerance
to foods and a reduced uptake of nutrients. Gluten and wheat
sensitivity are on the top of that list. Finding well tolerated,
highly absorbable wholefood supplements whilst using Aloeride(R) both as
a buffer and to facilitate nutrient uptake will help to overcome such
a deficiency.

Whilst ulcers are present you definitely shall want to change to
Macrobiotic type of meals which are nutritious but bland, soft foods
devoid of spices or salt thus not causing irritation. Medical
treatment can include antiseptic chlorhexidine mouthwashes,
hydrocortisone pellets, antibiotic pastes or topical corticosteroids.
Increasingly people use topical Aloeride(R) aloe vera to this list.

A randomised controlled trial published in the British Journal of
Dermatology confirmed empirical findings that aloe vera can help mouth
ulcers associated with oral lichen planus (Volume 158, Number 3, March
2008, pp. 573-577(5).

Out of 54 patients, half of whom received topically applied aloe vera
and half of whom received a placebo, 81% of patients treated with aloe
vera had a good response after eight weeks of treatment, while only 4%
of placebo patients had a similar response. Where improvement
occurred, it was on a significantly greater scale in those treated
with aloe vera, a 50% symptom improvement was scored in 63% of the
aloe vera patients but only in 7% of the placebo group. Burning pain
completely disappeared in 33% of the aloe vera patients, compared with
only 4% of the placebo group.

Dentist Dr. Timothy Moore wrote a paper about using aloe vera in over
6,000 of his patients. He stated that both patients and doctors noted
the healing capabilities of aloe vera to far exceed their expectations
in pain control, oedema control and healing time reduction. Next to
intraoral lesions he applies aloe vera to periodontal surgery sites,
traumatized gum tissue, ulcerations as discussed here, chemical burns,
extraction sites (these sites respond more comfortably and dry sockets
do not develop when aloe vera is applied) and around dental implants
to control inflammation from bacterial contamination.

Source: http://nature-g.blogspot.com/search/label/Mouth%20ulcers

Regards,
http://nature-g.blogspot.com

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Date: Mon, May 12 2008 6:50 am
From: zehnpfenning@googlemail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 7:27 am
From: tionazt@126.com

Technology is changing fast and not everyone can adopt quickly and
welcome the changes. Believe it or not, but there are those who have a
problem accepting emails even today though it has become the primary
mode of communication. The usage of PDA's to store memos and notes is
even less. It comes as no surprise thus that buying a digital camera
is gaining acceptance slowly. Most people still prefer a film-based
model and sift over only if they have to.

Most people who plan on buying a digital camera start off startled as
they see the picture quality it can give from someone else's digital
camera. So they decide on buying a digital camera to get the same
quality snaps. Plus, a digital camera is very convenient as there is
no need for film rolls anymore. So remembering the rolls and what
snaps are on them are on their way out. Storing conventional snaps can
also become a problem as they tend to get lost and destroyed. Buying a
digital camera solves all these problems.

So when you have decided on buying a digital camera you should start
off by doing some research work. Try to read a few online reviews of
user experiences to know about the various brands, their features,
pluses and minuses. Before buying a digital camera you should know
them and thus you will yourself know what you should go for. These
online resources will also help you find the best bargains. Once you
have gone through them, buying a digital camera would be a whole lot
easier.

So first decide whether you are ready for buying a digital camera and
then carry out the research before taking a final decision. You can
start off by checking a few online shops, these usually offer great
bargains. But which stores do you need to turn to? Are these stores
secured for online purchases? Do some store reviews as part of your
research before buying a digital camera. This will surely make your
job of buying a digital camera much easier.

And once you have your camera and used it for a while, you will find
that you cannot live without it. You are sure to wonder why you didn't
decide on buying a digital camera earlier. Try out the various
effects, settings and techniques and clean up your old pictures with
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 7:56 am
From: George

Logan Shaw wrote:
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:31:31 -0700 (PDT), caloo calay
>> <user132384@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> Since the governing folks / market manipulators have managed very
>>> well to create inflation I was wondering if we could get in on the
>>> deal. The big money is going to profit from it somehow, so why can't
>>> Joe Sixpack ???
>
>> Automaker stocks. The market for new ultra-fuel-efficient cars is now
>> firmly established. The automakers who can get to that marketshare
>> with inexpensive cars first will win. My bets are Ford and
>> Volkswagen. Ford is motivated, VW is looking to build new plants in
>> the U.S.
>
> Possibly true, but like any disruptive change, there will be winners and
> losers. The automakers who don't put the right priority on that, or who
> do but who fail to come up with a good design / product, will suffer.

Unless they have a massively secret idea gm won't be the one. It is
almost embarrassing seeing their "you need to buy an escalade because it
is *big*" commercials. They seem to really be a one trick pony who only
wants to make big, fluffed up trucks to sell as "cars".

>
> Of course, I suppose that applies to anything where you'd try to profit
> from a changing environment...
>
> - Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 8:45 am
From: James

On May 12, 10:56 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
> > hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:31:31 -0700 (PDT), caloo calay
> >> <user132...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Since the governing folks / market manipulators have managed very
> >>> well to create inflation I was wondering if we could get in on the
> >>> deal. The big money is going to profit from it somehow, so why can't
> >>> Joe Sixpack ???
>
> >> Automaker stocks. The market for new ultra-fuel-efficient cars is now
> >> firmly established. The automakers who can get to that marketshare
> >> with inexpensive cars first will win. My bets are Ford and
> >> Volkswagen. Ford is motivated, VW is looking to build new plants in
> >> the U.S.
>
> > Possibly true, but like any disruptive change, there will be winners and
> > losers. The automakers who don't put the right priority on that, or who
> > do but who fail to come up with a good design / product, will suffer.
>
> Unless they have a massively secret idea gm won't be the one. It is
> almost embarrassing seeing their "you need to buy an escalade because it
> is *big*" commercials. They seem to really be a one trick pony who only
> wants to make big, fluffed up trucks to sell as "cars".

I'm not so pessimistic on GM.

The Saturn divison had a total makeover, and they now sell mostly
Europoean designed cars (without plastic panels) like the Aura
(Malibu), Astra and Vue. They have mild hybrids for Aura and Vue that
are just a few thousand more than non-hybrids.

Chevrolet has the new Malibu, a great car and very competitive against
the Camry and Accord - more so that the Ford Fusion. Its available as
a mild hybrid.

For those who do need a big vehicle the Tahoe hybrid makes some sense
- it has both cylinder deactivation and full hybrid mode - two
technologies working together. Cylinder deactivation works for highway
cruising, where as hybrids work well for stop and go.

GM has an uphill battle, but I think it has taken the hits earlier
than Ford, and done more to prepare for a high gas price future. Other
than the Ford Escape Hybrid, what have they done? GM and Chrysler have
more flex fuel vehicles. Ford is very dependant on F150 sales, and now
Toyota is giving them real competition in that arena.

James

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Date: Mon, May 12 2008 8:02 am
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 8:36 am
From: Al Bundy

Ken wrote:
> I just removed the AVG free virus scanner from my system - I think! Took
> three tries but now it no longer shows up on the Startup ap list or in
> the Start program list. I decided it was much more trouble than it was
> worth.
>
> Next step - buy the PC Tools virus checker to go with my Spyware Doctor
> for $10 or try another free one?
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Maybe I don't need one. Most of my personal mail comes through Gmail
> which is scanned, my ISP email is only used for two mailing lists. I
> never open email attachments or spam in ISP email. Or maybe I could
> switch my mailing lists to an unused Gmail account I have and no longer
> use the ISP email?
>
> Also, there's a chance I may switch to Linux within the next month and
> would then no longer need virus chacking.
>
> TIA
>
> Ken
>
I've had all good luck with free AVG for years now.
I use Firefox instead of IE.
I don't visit nasty sites intentionally!
I don't open strange mail. In fact I barely preview it.
I also run a hidden duplicate disk that updates frequently.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 9:54 am
From: Ken

"David" <drnall@comcast.net> wrote in
news:d7ednZ8HnteyxLrVnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com:

> I recently bought Spyware Doctor with Antivirus. It worked great for
> removing a virus I had, but it stopped my email client (Outlook 2002)
> from working at all. PC Tools has so far been no help in resoving this
> problem.
>
> David
>

Thanks for the warning. I DLed Avast earlier but it wouldn't run. Am
DLing again to give it one more try. If not, then ???

Ken

--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 12 2008 9:55 am
From: Ken

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in news:g07d34$7u0$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> avast! is very good for windows freeware antivirus
>

Thanks. I DLed it once this morning so far but wouldn't run. I'm giving
it one more DL try.

Ken

--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner

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