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Tuesday, July 15, 2008

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* Spacing Trips to the Grocery Store? - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9e5316c7228e6cd4?hl=en
* You are not frugal if...... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3c5261ec65743940?hl=en
* turnover damenbekleidung bestellen modische damenbekleidung bestellen olsen
damenbekleidung bestellen groessentabelle damenkleidung kaufen - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a3df9747d341bf44?hl=en
* Key Bank and Free iPod; They are doing it again. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/49979e6dc6b790c8?hl=en
* Is this frugal? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/060ca487b986915a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Spacing Trips to the Grocery Store?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9e5316c7228e6cd4?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 7:29 pm
From: Terri

unow@example.com wrote in news:ak0n74d9j76po9gviu8jku8dpe04actl5i@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:49:00 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Neon
> John
><no@never.com> wrote:
>
>>A pressure canning cycle takes about 45 minutes so a cycle uses
>>2.1*0.75 = 1.6kWh of electricity.
>
>
> What are you pressure cooking for 45 minutes? I don't think that meat
> even needs to be pressure cooked for that long.

Actually, it does. Even longer, according to the recipes in my canning
books. Glancing at Ball Blue Book for poulty, seafood, tuna and
beef I see a minimum of 1 hour at 10 pnds. It ranges anywhere from 80
minutes to 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Even whole kernel corn in quarts is recommended for over an hour.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 8:46 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:17:32 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Neon John
<no@never.com> wrote:

>Oh, I know. Both methods can be optimized. I could buy new high efficiency
>freezers or just better insulate the ones that I have. Again, I was just
>piddling with numbers, looking for order-of-magnitude. If canning had turned
>out to be 20X or 50X or 100X cheaper than freezing then I'd take a second
>look. Since they're in the same order of magnitude, even when ignoring the
>cost of jars and since the cost in either case is minimal, I'll stick with the
>kind of food I like best - fresh from the freezer :-)
>
>John
>
>--
>John De Armond

Ok one last argument from me then.. :) What do you do with all that frozen
food when the power goes out? Maybe it does not go out very often in your area
but it goes out a lot here and I don't have a generator anymore.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 8:57 pm
From: Larry Caldwell

In article <g4un74h3hspfkmmku35gs71bthuiu6096v@4ax.com>, no@never.com
(Neon John) says...

> I'm sure that jams would be OK longer than a year but I generally don't do
> those.

IMO, jellies start to go 'off' pretty quickly. I try not to keep home
canned jellies longer than a year, even with vitamin C as a
preservative.

--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 9:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote
> Neon John <no@never.com> wrote:

>> Oh, I know. Both methods can be optimized. I could buy new high
>> efficiency freezers or just better insulate the ones that I have.
>> Again, I was just piddling with numbers, looking for
>> order-of-magnitude. If canning had turned out to be 20X or 50X or
>> 100X cheaper than freezing then I'd take a second look. Since
>> they're in the same order of magnitude, even when ignoring the cost
>> of jars and since the cost in either case is minimal, I'll stick
>> with the kind of food I like best - fresh from the freezer :-)

> Ok one last argument from me then.. :) What do you
> do with all that frozen food when the power goes out?

Dont open the freezers while the power is off.

> Maybe it does not go out very often in your area but it goes out a lot here

What matters is how long it stays off for when it does go off.

> and I don't have a generator anymore.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 9:55 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:57:27 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Larry
Caldwell <firstnamelastinitial@peaksky.com> wrote:

>In article <g4un74h3hspfkmmku35gs71bthuiu6096v@4ax.com>, no@never.com
>(Neon John) says...
>
>> I'm sure that jams would be OK longer than a year but I generally don't do
>> those.
>
>IMO, jellies start to go 'off' pretty quickly. I try not to keep home
>canned jellies longer than a year, even with vitamin C as a
>preservative.

Home canned jams last for years. I've never made jelly so I won't comment.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 9:55 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:25:00 +1000, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>lisajoe@privacy.net wrote
>> Neon John <no@never.com> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, I know. Both methods can be optimized. I could buy new high
>>> efficiency freezers or just better insulate the ones that I have.
>>> Again, I was just piddling with numbers, looking for
>>> order-of-magnitude. If canning had turned out to be 20X or 50X or
>>> 100X cheaper than freezing then I'd take a second look. Since
>>> they're in the same order of magnitude, even when ignoring the cost
>>> of jars and since the cost in either case is minimal, I'll stick
>>> with the kind of food I like best - fresh from the freezer :-)
>
>> Ok one last argument from me then.. :) What do you
>> do with all that frozen food when the power goes out?
>
>Dont open the freezers while the power is off.
>
>> Maybe it does not go out very often in your area but it goes out a lot here
>
>What matters is how long it stays off for when it does go off.
>
]
If I want you're advice I'll rattle the bars of your cage..

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 10:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> lisajoe@privacy.net wrote
>>> Neon John <no@never.com> wrote:

>>>> Oh, I know. Both methods can be optimized. I could buy new high
>>>> efficiency freezers or just better insulate the ones that I have.
>>>> Again, I was just piddling with numbers, looking for
>>>> order-of-magnitude. If canning had turned out to be 20X or 50X or
>>>> 100X cheaper than freezing then I'd take a second look. Since
>>>> they're in the same order of magnitude, even when ignoring the cost
>>>> of jars and since the cost in either case is minimal, I'll stick
>>>> with the kind of food I like best - fresh from the freezer :-)

>>> Ok one last argument from me then.. :) What do you
>>> do with all that frozen food when the power goes out?

>> Dont open the freezers while the power is off.

>>> Maybe it does not go out very often in your area but it goes out a lot here

>> What matters is how long it stays off for when it does go off.

> If I want you're advice I'll rattle the bars of your cage..

So stupid it cant even work out what newsgroups are about.

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TOPIC: You are not frugal if......
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 9:18 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:34:24 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>I bought my first brand-new car in 1980, a Datsun (now Nissan) 200SX.
>It had a 2.0L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual transmission. It was
>supposed to be a sporty little brother to the 280ZX. I used to
>average 35mpg commuting with it, and once got 38mpg over a couple
>tanks on a longer trip down the freeway (in July with the A/C going).
>OK, it had electronic ignition, fuel injection, etc, but it was almost
>(now) 30-year-old technology! Why can't the manufacturers at least
>match that today?
>
Hey, you're driving one.
The 2.0L's now are probably a good bit more efficient than the
Datsun's.
But the cars they're in are heavier. Window motors, beefier seats,
airbags, side impact door bracing, etc.
Thinking about how weight bears on mpg (doh) I looked a bit and found
this:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~mjlaine/Palmenia/sas/tiedostot/cars.sas

It may or may not include your 200SX - not sure whether yours was an
'79, '80 or '81, all of which I assume could be purchased new in 1980.
You can see evident correlations between weight, HP, acceleration and
MPG. Just glanced at it and had to resist loading it into a
spreadsheet for some sorting.
Looked up the 2006 Corolla 1.8L 5-sp manual - curb weight approx
2500-2600 lbs EPA MPG 28/37. It's probably better, as yours is.
So that's as good as the Datsun, and it's a faster, better car.
They could squeeze more MPG out of the Corolla if they lighten it up a
bit.
Those 30 year old cars look better because you were 30 years younger
(-:

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 9:52 pm
From: cardesign880@googlemail.com

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TOPIC: Key Bank and Free iPod; They are doing it again.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/49979e6dc6b790c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 10:24 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:6dvunjF4l3g8U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in news:6Hwek.20273
>> $oY2.16085@newsfe21.lga:
>>
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those of you who were here last year, I related my
>>>> experience (good) with Key bank's offer of a free iPod
>>>> for opening a new checking account.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I just saw an ad in the paper, and they are doing it
>>>> again. Sign up for a new checking account, Use it at least
>>>> 3 times, get a free iPod 3G nano. This year there is an
>>>> option to get an iPod touch.
>>>>
>>>> If you want a free iPod (free is frugal), you should
>>>> look into this.
>>>>
>>>> Note: Be sure to read and understand the fine print or
>>>> you may end up paying fees, or you won't have the right
>>>> transactions to qualify for the iPod.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> They're an older model - based on 8 track.
>>>
>>
>> Older than what??
>> It's the latest Nano widescreen. Barely a year old.
>> You can't get a newer version of the Nano.
>
> It was a joke, Joyce.
>
>
>

OIC.
Actually they do offer the latest models. I signed up
for one last year. About two weeks later, Apple announced
the new line up of iPods. I thought I was going to get
stuck with an outdated toy. But no, when the iPod arrived
in late October, it was the new widescreen Nano (AKA, the
new one that was just announced). YMMV, But they did OK
by me.

As an aside, about three weeks later a little punk tried
to snatch it off me. All I had to do was give him the Evil
Eye and he decided to leave. Quickly.

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TOPIC: Is this frugal?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/060ca487b986915a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 10:46 pm
From: The Real Bev

Seerialmom wrote:

> On Jul 14, 10:08 am, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> clams_casino wrote:
>> > James wrote:
>>
>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7502071.stm
>>
>> >>Living in a world without waste
>>
>> 34 containers? I don't think so!
>>
>> >>MHO
>> >>For one thing having to wash and dry before recycling can be a waste
>> >>of clean water.
>>
>> Son in North Carolina has to pay $80 for 3,000 gallons. Gardening in
>> the neighborhood is generally minimal -- a serious gardener up the
>> street pays $700/month for water. They don't wash their recyclables either.
>
> 3000 gallons for $80??

Next 1K is $27, pro-rated. They've managed to stay under the limit in
the year they've been there. New area, lots of houses being built, much
new piping etc. needed, plus the water company got stuck with some
high-interest loans that need to be paid off.

> Ugh...we just went to metered water in my
> area...right now our water usage is still "drought level" (dead
> backyard, front yard half dead, dishwasher only when full, etc).
> Luckily the toilet that's used a lot by my son is a low flow 1.6. Our
> utility will charge flat rate for the next couple of months but show
> what we would be charged if it was the metered rate, too. That way we
> can do whatever cutbacks we need to before they actually bill us that
> way.
> I agree with some others about the needing to "rinse"; if it's going
> to take extra water or energy to do that I'll toss it as well.

I laugh when they urge people to water their lawns only every other day.
My "lawn" gets 15 minutes every two weeks and if it doesn't like it it
can move elsewhere. Of course it looks ratty, but it's alive.

--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Todd Flanders' hobbies include being quiet on long rides,
clapping to songs and diabetes.

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