Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Sunday, July 6, 2008

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 11:36 pm
From: Yer Pal Al

On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
<lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > > In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> > >>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
> > >>>> fuck.
> > >>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > >> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having sex,
> > >> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>
> > > Marriage is a sham.
>
> > Recently divorced?
>
> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.

You didn't want your parents to stay together?

Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
out of wedlock.

Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 5:19 am
From: aemeijers

Yer Pal Al wrote:
> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having sex,
>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>> Recently divorced?
>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>
> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>
> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> out of wedlock.
>
> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>
>
Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
it fails, be realistic.

--
aem sends...

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 5:42 am
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:

> Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> >>>>>> ..
> >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
> >>>>>>> fuck.
> >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
> >>>>> sex,
> >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >>> Recently divorced?
> >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >
> > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >
> > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> > out of wedlock.
> >
> > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >
> >
> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
> a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
> icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
> beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
> of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
> happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
> an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
> happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
> elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
> saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
> it fails, be realistic.
>

Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 6:46 am
From: Patricia Martin Steward

>On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:02:56 -0400, "Population Explosion"
><flatbush@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>More Americans losing jobs daily and we can't pay for gas for gas in our
>>cars in order to sit in traffic on our traffic jammed highways; and Bush
>>welcomes more immigrants into America.

More people to buy gas that current residents are cutting back on --
of course he wants more people.

Well, actually, HE doesn't want them. The puppet masters do.

--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 9:03 am
From: Yer Pal Al

On Jul 6, 5:42 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
<lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>
> > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> > >>>>>> ..
> > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
> > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
> > >>>>> sex,
> > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> > >>> Recently divorced?
> > >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>
> > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>
> > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> > > out of wedlock.
>
> > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>
> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
> > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
> > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
> > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
> > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
> > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
> > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
> > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
> > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
> > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
> > it fails, be realistic.
>
> Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.

So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
over 50% - to have more single parent households?

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 10:30 am
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Yer Pal Al" <Caddyshack.Al@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:23fc62fb-da71-4031-a79a-86127bd9372a@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 6, 5:42 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
<lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>
> > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> > >>>>>> ..
> > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> > >>>>> having
> > >>>>> sex,
> > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> > >>> Recently divorced?
> > >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>
> > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>
> > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> > > out of wedlock.
>
> > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>
> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
> > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
> > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
> > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
> > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
> > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
> > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
> > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
> > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
> > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
> > it fails, be realistic.
>
> Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.

So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
over 50% - to have more single parent households?

~~~~
It's the liberal way. Everyone can be miserable as long as they're all equal
about it.

LG (happy to spite them)
--
The most charismatic and entertaining of the right-wing kooks that lurk
around here. - ViNNY

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 10:35 am
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
>>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
>>>>>> sex,
>>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>>> Recently divorced?
>>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
>>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>>
>> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>>
>> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
>> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
>> out of wedlock.
>>
>> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>>
>>
> Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,

No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is a
two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics of
the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to the
table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that angry
couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say the
dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.

LG
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 11:33 am
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article
<23fc62fb-da71-4031-a79a-86127bd9372a@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack.Al@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 6, 5:42 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > > >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >
> > > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > > >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> > > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.c
> > > >>>>>>om.
> > > >>>>>> ..
> > > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone
> > > >>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > > >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
> > > >>>>> sex,
> > > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > > >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> > > >>> Recently divorced?
> > > >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> > > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >
> > > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >
> > > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> > > > out of wedlock.
> >
> > > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >
> > > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids, than
> > > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years of
> > > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under their
> > > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual villains
> > > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a reasonably
> > > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of what
> > > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that isn't
> > > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent, or
> > > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock. Not
> > > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but once
> > > it fails, be realistic.
> >
> > Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.
>
> So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
> over 50% - to have more single parent households?

I never said anything about single-parent households. Just marriages.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 11:35 am
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >>>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want anyone to
> >>>>>>>> fuck.
> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before having
> >>>>>> sex,
> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >>>> Recently divorced?
> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the whole
> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >>
> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >>
> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have children
> >> out of wedlock.
> >>
> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >>
> >>
> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
>
> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but parenting is a
> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the politics of
> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities to the
> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that angry
> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I say the
> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
>

Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the two
parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
there, buddy.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

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TOPIC: Electricity cost breakdown in average USA home
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/21766bdce8117f83?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 2:41 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Tommy <jeeppintom@webtv.net> wrote:

> Chatted with some people today that knows you.

Been having those pathetic little drug crazed fantasys long, child ?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 7:48 am
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Tommy <jeeppintom@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> Chatted with some people today that knows you.
>
> Been having those pathetic little drug crazed fantasys long, child ?
>
>
The only people who know Rod are his case officers who recertify him
as unemployable.

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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 2:42 am
From: "Sambo"

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:33:10 -0400 from krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz>:
>> In article <MPG.22d91b5db066957a98b6f6@news.individual.net>,
>> the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm says...
>>> It's not a simple question. The answer could well turn out to be,
>>> "yes, setting back the temperature uses less energy, but it's worse
>>> because ..."
>>
>> Ok, find the "..." and we'll listen. So far, the cost argument
>> isn't cutting it. ;-)
>
> Just a reminder -- despite Sambo/Rod Speed's posturing, I'm not trying
> to persuade anyone of anything. Like others here I'm hoping to learn.

But the ear to ear dog shit prevents that from happening.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 5:24 am
From: krw

In article <MPG.22da149b8f76136698b6ff@news.individual.net>,
the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm says...
> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:33:10 -0400 from krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz>:
> > In article <MPG.22d91b5db066957a98b6f6@news.individual.net>,
> > the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm says...
> > > It's not a simple question. The answer could well turn out to be,
> > > "yes, setting back the temperature uses less energy, but it's worse
> > > because ..."
> >
> > Ok, find the "..." and we'll listen. So far, the cost argument
> > isn't cutting it. ;-)
>
> Just a reminder -- despite Sambo/Rod Speed's posturing, I'm not
> trying to persuade anyone of anything. Like others here I'm hoping to
> learn.

Understood. Ronnie is an ass.

--
Keith

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 7:44 am
From: "Bill"

"JonquilJan" wrote in message
>
> Big problem is heating the bathroom (and pipes) very
> old house has weird setup. And not too thoughful additions (before my
> purchase). As for cabin fever - been there - every winter when the
> weather
> gets bad/icy and/or the car gets 'sick' and spends time at the mechanics
> (5
> times last winter)
>

Why don't you contact the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and
Washington Post. Let them know about your situation.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 8:49 am
From: George

clams_casino wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> "JonquilJan" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> wondering about heating this next winter. right now, I have forced
>>>> air with
>>>> a propane furnace. Furnace new this past season. Very old house
>>>> (pre 1850)
>>>> which has been insulated as much as possible (vertical very thick plank
>>>> walls - would have to build stud wall on the inside to put in more
>>>> insulation )
>>>>
>>>> thinking of closing off more than I have already (2nd floor entirely
>>>> closed
>>>> off)...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Insulate the 2nd level from the first level.
>>>
>>> I did this by tearing out my 1st level ceiling and adding insulation,
>>> then replacing the ceiling.
>>>
>>> You can do this on the cheap by just laying insulation on the 2nd
>>> level floor. Or cheaper would be to get many boxes filled with those
>>> packing peanuts and placing them on the 2nd level floor.
>>>
>> That is bad advice to use flammable foam peanuts in that fashion.
>
>
> Could be a source of heat, for a few hours.

I would say more likely 5 minutes but since the hotspot created by the
burning foam will insure ignition of the rest of the house it may be a
few hours...

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 10:08 am
From: aemeijers

Bill wrote:
> "JonquilJan" wrote in message
>> Big problem is heating the bathroom (and pipes) very
>> old house has weird setup. And not too thoughful additions (before my
>> purchase). As for cabin fever - been there - every winter when the
>> weather
>> gets bad/icy and/or the car gets 'sick' and spends time at the mechanics
>> (5
>> times last winter)
>>
>
> Why don't you contact the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and
> Washington Post. Let them know about your situation.
>
>
If JJ truly does not have the cash to make her house warm in winter, and
doesn't want to (or have the cash to) move, she should investigate any
local senior assistance programs for home repairs. Many areas have
programs where volunteers will assist in making plastic interior storms
for the old leaky windows, caulking any visible gaps, sealing and
insulating ducts that go through unheated spaces, sealing foundation
leaks, etc, etc. Discount electric space heaters are usually part of the
deal as well. Blankets and quilts hung on walls or over windows for
insulation are a BAD idea. (Ask your fire department why.)

--
aem sends....

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TOPIC: Resumes - sure to fail
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b1fd468c6ed20d9d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 3:07 am
From: clams_casino

rawebadvert3 wrote:

> Hiring someone to do a resume is not
>enough learn how to do it on your own. If you do hire someone to help
>you write a resume this will help you guide the resume writer to put
>in the correct information for you to increase your chances on getting
>a job. If you are a Career Worker looking to change positions, a
>potential new immigrant, or entry level worker, Please check us out.
>
>
>
>ARE YOUR EMPLOYMENT REFERENCES OK WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A JOB HERE ARE
>SOME TIPS
>
>
>

Your grammar will get anyone's resume filed immediately into a wastebasket.

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TOPIC: returning electrical item to Argos
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/056c40394c1bbf63?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 3:59 am
From: "Brian Gaff"

If you have opened it and it is not faulty, I do not think they have to
accept it. After all, I'm sure some people have ripped shops off by this
method, notably clothing shops though.

Brian

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"john west" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:g4kqci$e2r$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Needing a small battery charger for torch (flashlight) batteries, two
> members of our family bought one at nearly the same time as each other.
>
> Although not used the charger bought from Argos was taken out of its
> sealed packaging. We wish to return one since we dont need two; and the
> one from Argos is by far the easiest to return in terms of making a
> journey, and would also qualify for their 14 day return scheme.
>
> I have heard Argos customer services desk tell customers that to return
> electrical items, they must be;
> unused and unopened. Although not used, since it's unopened it would not
> be possible to prove it's not been used.
>
> Have I understood this situation correctly? Thanks for any advice on
> returning this charger to Argos.
>

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TOPIC: DTV Converter box major snafu in the US
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5479512ec399c625?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 7:08 am
From: me@privacy.net (GordonD)

In article <T--dnaTPGKPupO3VnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>In article <48701715$0$10001$8ebe3a62@news.megabitz.net>,
>GordonD <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>>My personal experience also bears this out. I've tried Zenith, Magnavox and
>>Dish (DTVPal) boxes and both picture quality and number of stations recieved
>>varies significantly. The difference is noticeable even on a 20" Sony TV. The
>>Zenith picture quality and reception is far better than the other two, the
>>Dish has the poorest reception. Picture qulity between the Magnavox and Dish
>>is about equal.
>
>What model Zenith converter box do you have?
>
>
>Gary
>

The Zenith box is model DTT900 purchased at Circuit City.

GordonD

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 9:56 am
From: Dennis

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:14:04 GMT, me@privacy.net (GordonD) wrote:

>My personal experience also bears this out. I've tried Zenith, Magnavox and
>Dish (DTVPal) boxes and both picture quality and number of stations recieved
>varies significantly. The difference is noticeable even on a 20" Sony TV. The
>Zenith picture quality and reception is far better than the other two, the
>Dish has the poorest reception. Picture qulity between the Magnavox and Dish
>is about equal.

I have a DigitalStream converter (Radioshack) that works great. But I
have pretty strong signal/reception at my location (on a mountain top
with a straight shot to the towers, roof antenna, distribution
amplifier).

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: McDonald's free wifi
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f18d134b2385fd64?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 7:24 pm
From: Dave

> If you need daily internet access, and have to make a special trip to
> a hot spot, you really should subscribe to an ISP. Dial up is cheap,
> but IMO way too slow to be useful. Cable, again IMO, is way too
> expensive. I've found DSL to be a reasonable compromise. I get a
> 1.5Mbs connection for $26.00 a month, guaranteed for life with a 2
> year contract, as part of a bundle with my phone company. Plenty fast
> enough for most routine uses. About the only time it ever stutters is
> with hi res streaming video.

Having subscribed to multiple DSL services and multiple cable modem
services, it is my honest opinion that, at the same price, DSL is a
better deal, even if the advertised top speed is a little lower than
cable modem service in the same area. I've seen significant slowdowns
on cable modem service, especially on school holidays. DSL is much
more consistent in service speed (both upload and download), even
though theoretically it is all shared bandwidth at some point.

If someone were to offer a 1.5M DSL connection for $26 or a 3M cable
modem connection for the same price, I wouldn't hesitate to sign up for
the DSL service.

Having said that, people in the frugal living ng should be aware that
most cable companies offer a "slower" speed cable modem service to be
more competitive with DSL prices. The catch is, it's not advertised.
For example, Time Warner offers a Roadrunner Lite service for about $25
per month, capped around 768K download speed. This is ridiculously
slow as far as cable modems go, but still more than adequate for most
home Internet users. The only people who wouldn't like 768K would be
heavy downloaders, like heavy P2P users. Most cable providers
offer a similar deal. But again, they don't like to advertise it,
as they'd rather let you believe that your only option is the 5-8M
(or so) service for $50 - $60 per month. -Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 8:53 am
From: George

Dave wrote:
>> If you need daily internet access, and have to make a special trip to
>> a hot spot, you really should subscribe to an ISP. Dial up is cheap,
>> but IMO way too slow to be useful. Cable, again IMO, is way too
>> expensive. I've found DSL to be a reasonable compromise. I get a
>> 1.5Mbs connection for $26.00 a month, guaranteed for life with a 2
>> year contract, as part of a bundle with my phone company. Plenty fast
>> enough for most routine uses. About the only time it ever stutters is
>> with hi res streaming video.
>
> Having subscribed to multiple DSL services and multiple cable modem
> services, it is my honest opinion that, at the same price, DSL is a
> better deal, even if the advertised top speed is a little lower than
> cable modem service in the same area. I've seen significant slowdowns
> on cable modem service, especially on school holidays. DSL is much
> more consistent in service speed (both upload and download), even
> though theoretically it is all shared bandwidth at some point.
>
> If someone were to offer a 1.5M DSL connection for $26 or a 3M cable
> modem connection for the same price, I wouldn't hesitate to sign up for
> the DSL service.
>
> Having said that, people in the frugal living ng should be aware that
> most cable companies offer a "slower" speed cable modem service to be
> more competitive with DSL prices. The catch is, it's not advertised.
> For example, Time Warner offers a Roadrunner Lite service for about $25
> per month, capped around 768K download speed. This is ridiculously
> slow as far as cable modems go, but still more than adequate for most
> home Internet users. The only people who wouldn't like 768K would be
> heavy downloaders, like heavy P2P users. Most cable providers
> offer a similar deal. But again, they don't like to advertise it,
> as they'd rather let you believe that your only option is the 5-8M
> (or so) service for $50 - $60 per month. -Dave

I have suggested the unpublished "economy" cable modem tier to a number
of relatives and friends and no one has complained. As you said a lot of
folks just don't need or use anything faster and are essentially
throwing $25/month away.

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TOPIC: Frugal solar panels?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a5212de70d56c37d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 6 2008 8:38 am
From: Ron Peterson

On Jun 18, 4:44 pm, oprah.cho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Every year I get excited about installing solar panels. I then do my
> research online and quickly get discouraged by the high price tags
> and mediocre performance. Has anyone had any luck with them?

A couple of my neighbors on my street have solar panels, but I think
that they just use them because they work in energy conservation.

Solar is starting to become practical where there is plenty of
sunshine and electric rates are high. Remote locations, where one
can't get on the grid at all offer the best payoff, but some type of
battery storage would then be necessary.

--
Ron

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