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TOPIC: Companies packaging cleansers, other deadly chemicals in bottles that
look like beverage containers
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 12:37 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com
On Jul 2, 6:11 am, tmcl...@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>
> > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>
> > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > poisons and the foods they can look like.
>
> And in other news, water is wet. I'm so sick of this "foam pad the
> world"
> mentality.
No one is saying foam the world. Or maybe you would rather rat poison
look like candy bars, or
ammonia look like juice pack of lemonade?
> Some moronic mistakes should be fatal, preferably before
> the
Yes, because we all know you are Mr Perfect %100 of the time.
> deceased has had a chance to add more "stupid" to the gene pool. We
> have
> enough of that already.
Or maybe companies should stop being so damn cheap, and pack
dangerous substances in packaging that would not be mistaken for food
or drink, esp by kids.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 12:46 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com
On Jul 2, 2:01 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>
> > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>
> > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > poisons and the foods they can look like.
>
> Although this is a valid concern, I'm wondering how big a factor it is
> whether the packaging is the same for beverages vs cleaning products
I know I almost mistook cleaning fluids as a drink a couple times in
my life (thankfully, I always check the
container before consuming whats in it). In fact, I have a bottle of
"generic Pine-Sol" cleaner right now that looks
exactly like a sports drink; if it weren't for the label people would
think it was.
I imagine there were plenty of incidents where someone was busy, or
otherwise distracted, and reached for a container that looks like it's
holding food, and accidentally took a mouthful of the dangerous non-
food contents inside.
> (or poisons). I'm more concerned about labeling that could be
> ambiguous or written in a language that isn't understood.
Or worse,a kid who can't read yet takes a hold of the product.
> Additionally, I have seen in some stores where non-food items are
> merchandised near food aisles.
> Back to the lamp oil death though. "Who" would mistake the taste/
> texture of "lamp oil" for cranberry juice? Seems a bit fishy to me.
The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 1:43 am
From: "nospam"
<balanco01@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ef42e24a-d6b9-4b26-8900-47763adf3200@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 2, 2:01 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 2:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
> >
> > > Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
> >
> > > Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> > > warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> > > Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> > > important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> > > colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> > > poisons and the foods they can look like.
> >
> > Although this is a valid concern, I'm wondering how big a factor it is
> > whether the packaging is the same for beverages vs cleaning products
>
> I know I almost mistook cleaning fluids as a drink a couple times in
> my life (thankfully, I always check the
> container before consuming whats in it). In fact, I have a bottle of
> "generic Pine-Sol" cleaner right now that looks
> exactly like a sports drink; if it weren't for the label people would
> think it was.
>
> I imagine there were plenty of incidents where someone was busy, or
> otherwise distracted, and reached for a container that looks like it's
> holding food, and accidentally took a mouthful of the dangerous non-
> food contents inside.
>
> > (or poisons). I'm more concerned about labeling that could be
> > ambiguous or written in a language that isn't understood.
>
> Or worse,a kid who can't read yet takes a hold of the product.
>
> > Additionally, I have seen in some stores where non-food items are
> > merchandised near food aisles.
> > Back to the lamp oil death though. "Who" would mistake the taste/
> > texture of "lamp oil" for cranberry juice? Seems a bit fishy to me.
>
> The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell
If you aren't careful about what you're putting in your mouth,
it's not my job to protect you from natural selection. And it's
certainly not the government's job.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 6:46 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com
On Jul 3, 4:43 am, "nospam" <nos...@comcast.invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > The person might have lost their sense of taste or smell
>
> If you aren't careful about what you're putting in your mouth,
> it's not my job to protect you from natural selection. And it's
> certainly not the government's job.- Hide quoted text -
>
Bing, bing, bing, we have a winner. Any person, child or adult, who
can't
read a label should not be left alone unsupervised. Any person who
confuses
a sports drink from the fridge with a cleaning product from the
cabinet
under the sink needs a visit from Uncle Chuck (Darwin).
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TOPIC: Ebay limits who can view your listing now?
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:05 am
From: "OhioGuy"
I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
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Is this for real?
I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:05 am
From: "OhioGuy"
I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
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Is this for real?
I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 4:23 am
From: Meghan Noecker
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:05:25 -0500, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
> I just logged into my Ebay account, and saw an ad "UK for 5c", implying
>that now you can pay extra so that people who aren't in the USA will see
>your listing.
>
> Is this for real?
>
> I've always thought that listings could be searched by anyone across the
>globe. Now they are saying that is something we have to pay extra for?
>
People in the UK can look at the American ads. But that there is also
a UK listing section (and European, etc). Just like Amazon.com has a
seperate website for the UK version. Paying the extra fee would simply
get your ad posted in that section as well. If you aren't looking to
sell your stuff overseas, then it wouldn't be worth it. If you have
something that you think would sell well there, it might be worth a
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TOPIC: giving in & buying Microsoft Works for an end to nagging
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 5:04 am
From: Dee
"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in news:g4dn34$lnk$2@aioe.org:
> So, I'm looking for a good deal on a recent version of Microsoft
> Word, or
> Microsoft Office. We will need to install it on 3 computers (2
> desktops, and 1 laptop) So far, this appears to be the best deal
> I can find:
>
> http://www.superdealsoftware.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=
> 211 $131 shipped for a 3 computer license and media, Office 2007
> home and student
>
> Can anyone suggest a better deal, or should I pull the trigger
> on this?
Earlier versions of MS Office will work just as well (maybe better -
some people don't like Office 2007). I have Office 2000 and it is
fine. I used it on my Win98 machine up until last month when I
transferred it over to my new WinXP system. On eBay it looks like it's
selling for $30-$70.
Dee
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 10:57 am
From: Seerialmom
On Jul 3, 5:04 am, Dee <d...@d.d> wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote innews:g4dn34$lnk$2@aioe.org:
>
> > So, I'm looking for a good deal on a recent version of Microsoft
> > Word, or
> > Microsoft Office. We will need to install it on 3 computers (2
> > desktops, and 1 laptop) So far, this appears to be the best deal
> > I can find:
>
> >http://www.superdealsoftware.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=
> > 211 $131 shipped for a 3 computer license and media, Office 2007
> > home and student
>
> > Can anyone suggest a better deal, or should I pull the trigger
> > on this?
>
> Earlier versions of MS Office will work just as well (maybe better -
> some people don't like Office 2007). I have Office 2000 and it is
> fine. I used it on my Win98 machine up until last month when I
> transferred it over to my new WinXP system. On eBay it looks like it's
> selling for $30-$70.
>
> Dee
I still have copies of Office starting from 97 up to 2007; the
companies I've worked for over the past 10 years have all had
"employee deals" where we could get Office anywhere from free to $30.
I even found an Office suite for Mac at the thrift store a couple of
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TOPIC: What's the most frugal stock right now?
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 7:22 am
From: "OhioGuy"
I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
given long term prospects for the company.
I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)
Thanks!
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:04 am
From: clams_casino
OhioGuy wrote:
> I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
>to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
>couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
>approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
>favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
>given long term prospects for the company.
>
> I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
>like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
>suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
>20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
>and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
This is a great time to swap traditional IRA funds into Roth funds -
provided the funds don't move you into a higher tax bracket.
Any rebound (ah, actually growth, since the market has been essentially
flat since the day GW took office) will be tax free.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 1:52 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:22:34 -0500, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
> I don't usually ask others for stock advice, but thought it would be fun
>to see what others out there think right now. I'm in a position to pick a
>couple of stocks as investments in my IRA, and I like to use a value
>approach. In other words, I look for companies that are currently out of
>favor, or that the market has sold off more than would seem to be warranted,
>given long term prospects for the company.
>
> I just loaded up on a couple of inexpensive big pharma stocks, and would
>like to balance those out with stocks from other sectors. Anyone have any
>suggestions for an undervalued stock that is likely to bounce back at least
>20% over the next couple of years? (preferably one with little or no debt,
>and a stock price that is less than 10x cash flow)
>
> Thanks!
>
GM
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 3:00 pm
From: "Dave"
> GM
Dude, he didn't ask the most frugal way to lose money quickly. -Dave
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:52 am
From: "OhioGuy"
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I second that, especially if you don't live in the Southwest, or if you
live anywhere that has numerous cloudy days.
Due to the higher efficiency of solar water heating panels, you can get
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 8:00 am
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Wouldnt change a thing even if you did attempt that.
>>>
>> I love you, too.
>>
>> Marsha <----SMOOCHIES TO ROD
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
Guess who forgot to take his meds today.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 9:36 am
From: "MarieD"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6d2m94Fhs9vU1@mid.individual.net...
> And plenty of pets whose owners dont give a damn
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One of my labs is terrified of thunder or thunder-like noises. We don't
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hoped. I end up having to cuddle her in my lap as she is shivering and
whining.
Marie
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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 3:30 pm
From: Stan Brown
Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net>:
> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message news:g4g11j$9ld$1@aioe.org...
> > Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
> I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.
My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)
I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
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