Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 14 topics

Monday, August 25, 2008

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural? - 9 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/85719f2d4728a958?hl=en
* Shoes wholesale: Air Jordan,Air Force1,Dunk,Air Rift,Air Max,Shox,Timberland,
Adidas,4us,Levi's - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/562643b4c7881cc8?hl=en
* Handbags: Lv Coach Fendi Chloe Dior Juicy Burberry Chanel A&F Parda handbags
wholesale - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/17e0f541a342648b?hl=en
* Deck Oil Recipe? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/47b7a3812d88c799?hl=en
* Dangerous/deadly chew toy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d3d74f37eaeb3a90?hl=en
* Another good product/deal GONE!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fc8079daae81d3bd?hl=en
* distance a product travelled 2 reach u and its price both matter - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dd48e53a6c83663b?hl=en
* AIR Jordan Fusion 1 Jordan 2 Fusion AIR Jordan 3 Nike Jordan Fusion 4 Jordan
5 shoes Nike Air Jordan 6 VI Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 6 AJF6 AJ6F Jordan 6
Rings Jordan 6 fusion - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/49e0458a5baec905?hl=en
* Nike Jordan Fusion 23 AIR Jordan 22 Jordan Fusion 21 AIR Jordan Fusion 20
Jordan 19 shoes Air Jordan Force Fusion VIII (8), AJF 8 Nike Air Jordan 17
XVII Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 17 AJF17 AJ17F Jordan 17 fusion - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ced264261d405681?hl=en
* NIKE AIR JORDAN FORCE FUSION SHOES AJF 5 V JORDAN 5 FUSION NIKE JORDAN 5
FUSION SHOES AJF5 Nike Air Jordan XXIII 23 Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 23 AJF23
AJ23F - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/28f2033078824369?hl=en
* AIR Jordan Fusion 7 NIKE Jordan Fusion 8 AIR Jordan 9 Nike Jordan Fusion 10
Jordan 11 shoes Nike Air Jordan 12 XII Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 12 AJF12 AJ12
F Jordan 12 fusion - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2a4ed6fb10cc791b?hl=en
* CNN: Half-ton woman indicted in slaying of nephew - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/935cc02fc86d96ba?hl=en
* How to select a reliable used car? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d6e74503ddeed27?hl=en
* Sanyon Enerloop any good? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1c30a867749390d0?hl=en

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TOPIC: Walmart Prices: Urban vs Rural?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/85719f2d4728a958?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:56 pm
From: "catalpa"

"enigma" <enigma@evil.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9B045DE656EB4enigmaempirenet@199.125.85.9...
> Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote in
> news:1219540138_608@isp.n:
>
>>
>> Does the internet affect such things? I've never
>> really compared
>> internet pricing to the local stores.
>
> well, since Wal-Mart contracts for the lowest prices with
> their suppliers, the goods sold in the store are made, well,
> cheaper. for things like toasters, it's not too big a deal
> (assuming you realize a $9 toaster will crap out in less than
> a year), but for bigger ticket items like TVs or computers,
> what you get at Wal-Mart & what you can find elsewhere (Sears,
> online) are entirely different items. even items with the same
> code are substantially different in quality & features between
> Wal-Mart & other places... which is why one should compare
> features rather than price.
>
>> Our local farmer's coop prices their gas according to
>> the town the
>> station is in. It probably has 8 or 10 of the self serve
>> card stations scattered around the area.
>
> i've noticed that as well here. some towns are way less
> expensive for gas (4-9 cents/gallon). when i see that in NY i
> understand it's because of the taxes there, state, county &
> town can all throw in their own taxes, but in NH it's just one
> of those weird things. gas in my town is $3.69/gal today. in
> Epsom it's $3.65 & in Chichester it's $3.63...
> lee
>

In NJ you don't even have to leave a town to see different gas prices. In
the East part of Trenton gas is $3.42 and in the West part of Trenton $3.51.
A couple of miles more to the East out of Trenton it drops to $3.35 and a
couple of miles more to the West out of Trenton it rises to $3.59.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 4:17 am
From: Neon John

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:56:44 GMT, "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

>In NJ you don't even have to leave a town to see different gas prices. In
>the East part of Trenton gas is $3.42 and in the West part of Trenton $3.51.
>A couple of miles more to the East out of Trenton it drops to $3.35 and a
>couple of miles more to the West out of Trenton it rises to $3.59.

Does Joesy still have the prohibition against self-serve?

A friend who owns a decent sized chain of C-stores once told me that in areas
where there is a powerful fuel dealer's association, gas prices vary little.
The association disciplines dealers who "get out of line". Conversely, in
areas where the price varies widely over a small area, that is an indication
that there is either no dealer's association or else a toothless one.

John
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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 4:49 am
From: enigma

Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in
news:KP6dnYWIBbd3ni_VnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@earthlink.com:

> enigma wrote:
>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in
>> news:7YOdnZ6T_r1e7yzVnZ2dnUVZ_v3inZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> enigma wrote:
>>>> Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net> wrote in
>>>> news:slrngb14vp.9b3.grobe@worf.netins.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Does Walmart have the same prices in its urban and
>>>>> rural Walmarts? How much latitude do individual store
>>>>> managers have in pricing?
>>>> i don't shop at Wal-Mart, but as an ex-retail manager, i
>>>> can say that they most likely have "zone pricing" for
>>>> various stores, depending on their location. it doesn't
>>>> so much have to do with suburban vs rural, but with the
>>>> various local economies. most retail companies have 3 to
>>>> 5 "zones", or pricing levels.
>>>> individual store managers would have very little leeway
>>>> in
>>>> adjusting prices in their store. they would likely be
>>>> able to price match a competitor, but they couldn't make
>>>> the price lower than the competition.
>>> Some Walmarts may have more flexibility. I've see that in
>>> particular in a Walmart that had a Target open up across
>>> the street.
>>
>> um, that falls under price matching a competitor...
>>
>
> beating...

by what? their standard penny less?
it's unlikely they'd even have to do that, because, IME,
Wal-Mart shoppers don't even bother to price check other
stores. they just swallow the "Always Low Prices" line... and
in many rural areas, there *is* no other store to price match
because Wal-Mart is the only game left in town. lee
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== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 4:57 am
From: enigma

"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in
news:wQrsk.720$w51.696@trnddc01:

> In NJ you don't even have to leave a town to see different
> gas prices. In the East part of Trenton gas is $3.42 and in
> the West part of Trenton $3.51. A couple of miles more to
> the East out of Trenton it drops to $3.35 and a couple of
> miles more to the West out of Trenton it rises to $3.59.

there are 3 gas stations in my town, Irving, Shell & Mobil.
Irving & Shell tend to be the same price. if Irving lowers
their price, Shell will usually lower theirs to match within a
few hours. Mobil, OTOH, is *always* at least .04 cents higher,
& sometimes as much as .07. i don't know why people even buy
there if high prices are so horrible. you'd think they'd be
looking to save those pennies...

two weeks ago when i was in NY gas was almost .20/gallon
higher than here in NH, but NY has better roads. gas taxes at
work ;)
lee
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== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 5:06 am
From: Neon John

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:49:37 +0000 (UTC), enigma <enigma@evil.net> wrote:

>by what? their standard penny less?
>it's unlikely they'd even have to do that, because, IME,
>Wal-Mart shoppers don't even bother to price check other
>stores. they just swallow the "Always Low Prices" line... and
>in many rural areas, there *is* no other store to price match
>because Wal-Mart is the only game left in town. lee

I guess I'm one of those folks. I shop at Wallyworld for most of my food
because a) they ALWAYS have what I want in stock, b) on average they're
cheaper than surrounding stores and c) wasting gas to drive to another store
to save a nickel doesn't make sense to me.

I've tried the other local stores. Either they don't stock what I want,
demand that I use one of those affinity cards to get the advertised price and
are usually higher even with the affinity card.

Some things I don't buy at Wallyworld. Meat, for example. Sorry and
overpriced. Sam's Club, OTOH, carries IBP's "choice plus" which is
indistinguishable from the low end of prime.

For choice grade meat on the cheap, Save-A-Lot is hard to beat. They're
rapacious on their chicken prices, though. The store in Athens, about 20
miles away is about half the price of the Tellico SAL so about 4 times a year
I drive over and buy a whole freezer full. I need to sit down and see if it
would pay me to drive a bit farther to the nearest restaurant wholesale
distributor and buy meat in case lots.

I'll go to that trouble if I can save $50 or $100 bucks. But I won't do like
a neighbor who'll drive 10 extra miles to save $5. For most stuff, Wallyworld
is close enough to being the cheapest that it's not worth the gas nor the
hassle of looking elsewhere.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 7:05 am
From: "Dave"

> there are 3 gas stations in my town, Irving, Shell & Mobil.
> Irving & Shell tend to be the same price. if Irving lowers
> their price, Shell will usually lower theirs to match within a
> few hours. Mobil, OTOH, is *always* at least .04 cents higher,
> & sometimes as much as .07. i don't know why people even buy
> there if high prices are so horrible. you'd think they'd be
> looking to save those pennies...

When gas gets up to ~$4/gallon or more, a few pennies per gallon doesn't
make that much difference. If you're going to spend ~$60 or more to fill
your tank, is it worth it to bypass the nearest station to save less than a
buck? Not really. At close to $4 per gallon, being within say 25 cents of
each other actually means that all the stations in the area are the same
price.

>
> two weeks ago when i was in NY gas was almost .20/gallon
> higher than here in NH, but NY has better roads. gas taxes at
> work ;)

I used to live in NH. I currently live in NY, and still visit NH
frequently. NH roads are in MUCH better shape than NY roads. So I have no
idea where the extra tax money is going, but it's not going into maintaining
the roads here. -Dave

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 7:21 am
From: enigma

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in
news:g8ue6k$3m9$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>> there are 3 gas stations in my town, Irving, Shell &
>> Mobil. Irving & Shell tend to be the same price. if Irving
>> lowers their price, Shell will usually lower theirs to
>> match within a few hours. Mobil, OTOH, is *always* at
>> least .04 cents higher, & sometimes as much as .07. i
>> don't know why people even buy there if high prices are so
>> horrible. you'd think they'd be looking to save those
>> pennies...
>
> When gas gets up to ~$4/gallon or more, a few pennies per
> gallon doesn't make that much difference. If you're going
> to spend ~$60 or more to fill your tank, is it worth it to
> bypass the nearest station to save less than a buck? Not
> really. At close to $4 per gallon, being within say 25
> cents of each other actually means that all the stations in
> the area are the same price.

in my case the nearest station is the Shell, which also has
the most convenient entrance/exit set up. they're also the
source the MBTE in my well... (formerly. now i probably have
ethanol in my well), but in order to go shopping i have to
drive through Chichester, past the Hess & X-press stations
with the lowest prices in the area anyway, so i only get gas
at the Shell station when i'm running on fumes.

>> two weeks ago when i was in NY gas was almost .20/gallon
>> higher than here in NH, but NY has better roads. gas taxes
>> at work ;)
>
> I used to live in NH. I currently live in NY, and still
> visit NH frequently. NH roads are in MUCH better shape
> than NY roads. So I have no idea where the extra tax money
> is going, but it's not going into maintaining the roads
> here.

we must have different definitions of better roads :)
i have never seen the levels of potholes & lack of
maintainance on NY roads that i see here.
it could have to do with what part of NY you're talking about
as well. it's a much larger state than NH, & i'm sure road
maintainance varies by county as well. i'm most familiar with
Wayne, Oswego, Monroe, and Chautauqua.

lee
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== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 7:27 am
From: jdoe

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:05:10 -0400, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>I used to live in NH. I currently live in NY, and still visit NH
>frequently. NH roads are in MUCH better shape than NY roads. So I have no
>idea where the extra tax money is going, but it's not going into maintaining
>the roads here. -Dave
in NY much of the taxes collected from gas sales are diverted from
highway use to fund mass transit around NYC and other cities in the
state
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 7:42 am
From: AL

catalpa wrote:

> In NJ you don't even have to leave a town to see different gas prices. In
> the East part of Trenton gas is $3.42 and in the West part of Trenton $3.51.
> A couple of miles more to the East out of Trenton it drops to $3.35 and a
> couple of miles more to the West out of Trenton it rises to $3.59.

What this country needs is an old fashion gas war - man, that was back
when life was good...

Around here there is a "convenience" chain called Casey's. They have a
nifty trick at the pump $3.65 for premium, $3.75 for regular unleaded.
Unwary customers (me) assuming premium costs more simply press the 87
button out of habit instead of the 90 button. Buyer beware is their motto.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 1:31 am
From: daisha52018@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Handbags: Lv Coach Fendi Chloe Dior Juicy Burberry Chanel A&F Parda
handbags wholesale
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 1:33 am
From: daisha52018@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Deck Oil Recipe?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/47b7a3812d88c799?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 3:23 am
From: "h"

<melee5@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:457450f0-f4c9-4542-b8b7-684e4fd0e9eb@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 23, 12:04 am, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Does anyone have a recipe for home made deck oil?
>
> It is approaching $100/4L here and I'm in need of some.

>You mean like cooking corn oil VS what brand of $100/4L again? And
>this is for your ship's deck?

>Instead of oil, I thought we were supposed to use Thompson water
>repellent on back yard decks...

>Unless you meant an oil finish like boiled linseed oil? Or maybe a
>Finnish Tung oil, no wonder the price is so high.

We use Shaker milk paint for the deck. Cheaper than any "real" stain/paint
and lasts forever. Just google for recipes.

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TOPIC: Dangerous/deadly chew toy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 5:21 am
From: dolysods@yahoo.com

On Aug 24, 5:41 pm, "Anthony Diodati" <mrbreezeet1NO S...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "h.tees" <h.t...@nowhere.net.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:g8n2qi$lsq$1@news.albasani.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > <ultim...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:dba8bce7-b126-43c5-846b-233d8cb51317@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> >http://consumerist.com/5040194/owner-calls-for-chew-toy-recall-after-...
>
> > Here's a heartbreaking story: A dog owner is asking the public to
> > demand the recall of a chew toy after it caused an injury to their dog
> > that required amputation of its tongue.
>
> > Oh don't be SO stupid. My dog hurt himself when he grabbed a stick that
> > was thrown
> > for him. Should we demnd a policy of cutting ll trees down?
>
> > Get a life, stop trying to scrounge and wallow in your self pitying
> > compensation culture
> > lifestyle.
>
> No they should recall it, If it can hurt the dog, it should be recalled. A
> dog can't get his tongue caught in a stick.
> Tony

There have been reports of injuries back to 2005 and it is still on
the shelves

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TOPIC: Another good product/deal GONE!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 6:48 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 24, 5:23 pm, "Anthony Diodati" <mrbreezeet1NO S...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Dollar General brand paper towels, cost $1.00.
> Used to be a damm good product. Just brought a roll today, they are not
> worth a DAMM!
> Knew when they changed the wrapper, then picked it up, seemed lighter.
> Got it home, they are smaller and thinner. Again, not worth a DAMM!
> You can't get a good deal on nothing anymore.
>
> Ate at Wendy's today, got the jr. cheeseburger. Those things used to be
> pretty good.
> Now I swear, they are making the patties thinner. Looks to be about 1/8"
> thick.
> Last time I was there, I got a 1/4 pounder single, looked like the patties
> you USED to get on the jr. cheeseburger.
> What a world anymore!!
> Tony

Tony, it's healthier for you to eat less at Wendy's anyway. So that's
a good thing.

Marketing has always been about trying to get more out of customers
and providing less. It's our job to be vigilant and seek out the deals
where they exist. The menu changes all the time. If a store doesn't
offer enough bargains for me to shop there, I write them off and don't
go back. Dollar General and Family Dollar are in that category for me.
Dollar Tree is the best and certain independent dollar stores have
specialized items. I wrote Meijer off a long time ago too when they
raised prices and never failed to have scanning errors in their favor.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 6:50 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 23, 8:59 pm, kvc...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi, do we really have the time to care for our future? If so, lets
> wait a few more moments before making a purchase. Pl make sure that
> the purchase of a product u r making is as far as possible, produced/
> made/available from the resources near u. This would reduce your
> greenhouse trace. Coming generation would be grateful to you. Find a
> product that is costing less(this takes a bit of your time) but its
> worth the money u save in the end/
> Regards. Pl join if you can share the way in which v make our planet
> more hospita'ble and liveable for our coming gens/
> Chandu

Hi! Let's chat.
What a pretender u r.

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TOPIC: CNN: Half-ton woman indicted in slaying of nephew
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/935cc02fc86d96ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 7:57 am
From: Ragnar

On Aug 22, 9:59 pm, la...@nowhere.com (Larry) wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/22/obese.woman.ap/index.html
>
> EDINBURG, Texas (AP) -- Prosecutors are trying to decide how to jail and
> bring to court a nearly half-ton, bedridden woman accused of killing her
> 2-year-old nephew.
>
> A grand jury indicted Mayra Lizbeth Rosales, 27, on Thursday on one count
> of first-degree murder and on one count of injury to a child in the death
> of Eliseo Gonzalez Jr. She previously had been charged with capital murder.
>
> Rosales weighs nearly 1,000 pounds and cannot fit through a door to leave
> her home, leaving prosecutors wondering how to bring her to court. As of
> Thursday evening, she was not in custody.
>
> Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Trevino said that holding her at the county
> jail for her trial would be impossible because she needs extensive medical
> care.
>
> "She would die," Trevino said in Thursday's online edition of The Monitor
> in McAllen.
>
> The grand jury indicted Rosales after an autopsy confirmed investigators'
> suspicions that the child died March 18 because he had been struck.
> Investigators believe that the toddler was struck at least twice, crushing
> his head.
>
> Authorities recommended that Rosales' bail be set at $150,000.
>
> The boy's mother, Jaime Rosales, was charged with injury to a child because
> she is accused of leaving her son alone with his aunt. Her bail has been
> set at $100,000.

The fault falls squarely on the mother of the victim. What competent
parent leaves their two year old child in the care of an incapacitated
babysitter? And what was so important that this so-called mother had
to leave her two year old in the care of this bedridden monster? Maybe
the media should scrutinize that issue a little more and worry about
the logistics of moving this woman a little less.
As I see it the whole situation is fucked. On one hand you have an
individual growing to incredibly enormous proportions on what is most
likely public assistance and on the other a mother of a child that
doesn't have brain one when it comes to parental responsibility.
Obviously this is an extreme case of child neglect and it probably
wasn't the first dangerous situation this child was placed in its
young life. There are so many fucked up issues surrounding this case,
the alleged murders size being only one of them that most people
wouldn't even know where to start.

Ragnar

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 9:50 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:57:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living Ragnar
<Ragnarsghost@hotmail.com> wrote:

>And what was so important that this so-called mother had
>to leave her two year old in the care of this bedridden monster?
\
paper siad she was taking her other child to the dentist.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 10:22 am
From: "Dave"

>
>>And what was so important that this so-called mother had
>>to leave her two year old in the care of this bedridden monster?
> \
> paper siad she was taking her other child to the dentist.

That makes no sense. You can take two children to the dentist, even if only
one has an appointment. -Dave

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TOPIC: How to select a reliable used car?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 8:38 am
From: A VFW

In article
<2d9c8b71-17c0-4b9a-b624-003271c8c941@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
capieleo <capieleo@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm in the process of buying a new car and I came across this really
> useful site where I got the following from:
> http://www.BuyingAdvice.com
>
> A comprehensive researched list of reliable used cars can be useful to
> the used car buyer.
>
> We suggest finding a one-owner used car, that has been cared for, it
> has its service records (that show they changed oil on schedule and
> maintained basic manufacturer recommended service per the owner's
> manual) and ideally, owned by someone who is more stable like a senior
> citizen, than say a teenager. The reason is that odds are that a more
> experienced and stable person is going to maintain service.
>
> The vehicle should have a clear CarFax record. I would look
> nationally, because this type of vehicle is going to be hard to find,
> and ideally use a service like CarChex or a mechanic to inspect the
> vehicle before you buy it -- (to help spot upcoming repairs).

I was advising a friend that if they want a used car and they like the
one they're driving is to get another maybe with fewer miles and/or
restored. Or with a problem that your car just had fixed. Cheap deal.
If you've already happy with your mechanic he can do the work, maybe
store the spare parts for you.
And if you are familiar with the model, test driving should spot things
that aren't "normal" sounds, cornering and general "feel"
Good luck.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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TOPIC: Sanyon Enerloop any good?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 9:14 am
From: me@privacy.net

Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>Bought a Sanyo setup off ebay,

Is eBay the cheapest place to get the
"kit"...batts and charger?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 9:56 am
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:14:31 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Vic Smith
><thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Bought a Sanyo setup off ebay,
>
>Is eBay the cheapest place to get the
>"kit"...batts and charger?

Cheapest I found. That's often the case.

--Vic

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