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* Bicycles at yard sales, flea markets, etc. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* My name Eboneesha - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Radiant Floor heating - nonliquid? - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* Watching The NFL Can Be Really Disgusting - 5 messages, 3 authors
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* Costco guest passes - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Bicycles at yard sales, flea markets, etc.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 4:38 pm
From: Vandy Terre
This sounds good for folks hunting information on bicycles. Any one with
sources on values for horse drawn equipment? Or maybe sources for construction
plans for horse drawn equipment and harness? I have several horses and am
starting to train them for riding but would like to cross train for hauling.
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT), OldRoads <oldroads@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you go to yard sales, flea markets, etc and see bicycles, and are
>wondering if the bikes are worth anything, look 'em up on our site.
>You can make some decent cash on the side by selling bikes on places
>like craigslist, and you're also keeping old bikes out the landfills.
>
>There's a picture database with over 1400 bikes for you to use when
>trying to identify a cycle.
>There's a price guide and there are a dozen discussion ares.
>
>No registration, or email or anything like that is required.
>
>I've been running the site since 1995.
>
>Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles
>http://OldRoads.com
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TOPIC: My name Eboneesha
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 5:10 pm
From: Eboneesha
My name beEboneesha, an African-American girl who just got an award
for being the best speler in class. I got 57% on the speling test and
30 points for being black, 10 points for not bringing drugs into
class, 10 points for not bringing guns into class, and 10 points for
not getting pregnut during the cemester. It hard to beat a score of
120%. The white dude who sit next to me is McGee from the Bronx. He
got a 94% on the test but no extra points on account of he have the
same skin color as the opressirs of 250 years ago.
Granny ax me to thank all Dimocrafts and Liberels for suporting
afermatateive action. You showing the way to true equality. I gwine be
gittin in medical skool nex an mabe I be yo doktor.
Yo fren,Eboneesha
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 9:21 pm
From: Jeff
Eboneesha wrote:
> My name beEboneesha, an African-American girl who just got an award
> for being the best speler in class.
Good luck keeping your Google account.
<snip>
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TOPIC: Radiant Floor heating - nonliquid?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 5:14 pm
From: Eeyore
ransley wrote:
> On Sep 21, 12:57 pm, vjp2...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> > I see a lot of "Radiant Floor Heating" with a rubbery tubing stapled under
> > the floor. SInce I tend to be in horror of any kind of leaks, I wonder why
> > they don't use some compresses gas instead?
> >
> > Mind you, I have even had experience with central venting "leaking": I
> > haven't used a/c since my folks died but my uncle's a/c duct sweats onto my
> > ceiling. That's the price for freeloading (hot air rises) off his a/c.
>
> Non liqued, yes its called forced air with ducts.
A miserable form of heating IMHO.
Graham
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 5:16 pm
From: Eeyore
John Weiss wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote...
> >
> > The OP is completely irrelevant to the advantages and disadvantages of various
> > approaches to radiant floor heating.
>
> Gotcha. Now you're on record as saying the OP is irrelevant.
>
> We'll see how long it takes to contradict yourself on this one...
A few lies and contradictions will do it with no trouble.
Graham
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 5:17 pm
From: Eeyore
Pat wrote:
> The electricity sometimes leaks. That's why they put
> those covers on electrical outlets in houses that have kids.
Tell me more about how this electricity 'leaks' please.
Are you 'trailer trash' by any chance ?
Graham
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Rob Dekker"
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message news:gb937c$qm4$3@reader1.panix.com...
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> writes:
>
>
>> Leaks really aren't a problem in underfloor staple up systems. The
>>runs tend to be in one piece for each room.
>
>> I believe the better underfloor systems use not "rubber" hoses but
>>PEX (cross linked polyethelene with oxygen barriers) with heat spreaders.
Leaks in hydronic (water-based) floor heating systems used to be a big problem :
In the 60's, many hydronic floorheating systems were installed using copper pipes inside concrete slabs.
It took 30 years but most of these systems eventually start leaking at the pipe joints inside the concrete causing very tricky
leaks.
Leaks in piping in concrete is hard to locate (use helium gas detection method), you need to rip up your flooring, and jackhammer
into the concrete and fix the broken joint.
Very expensive leaks indeed.
Luckily, life got a lot easier with PEX (cross-linked Poly Ethylene).
Apart from being probably the future for all residential plumbing in general (replacing expensive copper plumbing), PEX is almost
ideal for hydronic floor heating systems.
PEX is very, very stable (corrosion free; lasts longer than your home), can handle high pressure if that may occur has flexibility
but is not 'floppy', so it is easy to install and it is much cheaper than copper too. Typically hydronic systems have a continuous
PEX loops, so that there are NO joints in the tubing that is under the floor. This again reduces chances of leaks, since leaks
typically occur at joints.
Basically the only way to get a leak in a correctly installed PEX hydronic system is if you drill into the floor (and into the PEX
tubing) or jam a nail through it. PEX is sturdy, but it cannot handle nails and drillbits.
Once you have a leak, it really depends on how accessible the tubing is if it is costly to fix or not.
If the tubing is inside a poured concrete slab, then fixing it is difficult and expensive.
If the tubing is 'staple-up' underneith an existing wood sub floor, then there is access to the tubing, and fix is easy.
If the tubing is in a 'sandwitch' on top of a sub floor, then of course you need to remove flooring to fix it, so it is difficult.
I have installed a hydronic floor heating system (with PEX tubing) in a sandwich on top of an existing concrete slab sub floor.
Installed 2 years ago.
It's working great, and the PEX tubing was not a problem at all to install.
Risk of leaks is only there when people start drilling into the flooring.
Pictures below
>
> Actually, the better installations I've seen have 2 interleaved runs
> for a room. The idea is: if in fact one leaks, the other still handles
> the room...
Actually, the interleaved runs are called 'counterflow' loops.
Counterflow loops minimize temperature differences on the floor, by placing inlet and outlet of a loop next to each other.
Multiple loops in a room are needed for pretty much any reasonable sized room, since the temperature drop limits the length of the
loops to about 250 feet.
I've never heard about installing loops so that one still works if the other is leaking. If anything leaks in the system, you want
to fix that before continuing. Unless you want to risk wrecking your hardwood (or whatever else you have installed on top of the
floor heating).
Here are pictures of my (PEX in a sandwich configuration) system under construction.
Some pictures also show counterflow loops with
http://viper.verific.com/WebSites/RadiantFloor
Regards
Rob
> --
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> & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
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TOPIC: Watching The NFL Can Be Really Disgusting
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 5:16 pm
From: krw
In article <fiPBk.758$Rx.695@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,
sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
> Goro wrote:
<snip>
> > NFL Sunday Ticket is basically NFL ppv.
> >
> > -goro-
>
>
>
> True,but it is still a better deal than the baseball package. I
> know each week that I will get every Sunday game unless the Raiders are
> blacked out at home.
> The baseball package has many exception. You do not get:
How many games per year, times how many teams? ;-)
<snip>
--
Keith
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 6:10 pm
From: George Grapman
krw wrote:
> In article <fiPBk.758$Rx.695@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
>> Goro wrote:
> <snip>
>>> NFL Sunday Ticket is basically NFL ppv.
>>>
>>> -goro-
>>
>>
>> True,but it is still a better deal than the baseball package. I
>> know each week that I will get every Sunday game unless the Raiders are
>> blacked out at home.
>> The baseball package has many exception. You do not get:
>
> How many games per year, times how many teams? ;-)
I get about 135 of 162 Mets games.
>
> <snip>
>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 6:19 pm
From: "elzee36@aol.com"
On Sep 22, 9:10�pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
> � � � I get about 135 of 162 Mets games.
>
Sorry to hear that.
:O)
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 6:25 pm
From: George Grapman
George Grapman wrote:
> krw wrote:
>> In article <fiPBk.758$Rx.695@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>> sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
>>> Goro wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> NFL Sunday Ticket is basically NFL ppv.
>>>>
>>>> -goro-
>>>
>>>
>>> True,but it is still a better deal than the baseball package. I
>>> know each week that I will get every Sunday game unless the Raiders
>>> are blacked out at home.
>>> The baseball package has many exception. You do not get:
>>
>> How many games per year, times how many teams? ;-)
>
>
> I get about 135 of 162 Mets games.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
On the other hand I will miss,at most, a handful of blacked out Raider
games out of the entire NFL schedule.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 6:34 pm
From: George Grapman
George Grapman wrote:
> krw wrote:
>> In article <fiPBk.758$Rx.695@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,
>> sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
>>> Goro wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> NFL Sunday Ticket is basically NFL ppv.
>>>>
>>>> -goro-
>>>
>>>
>>> True,but it is still a better deal than the baseball package. I
>>> know each week that I will get every Sunday game unless the Raiders
>>> are blacked out at home.
>>> The baseball package has many exception. You do not get:
>>
>> How many games per year, times how many teams? ;-)
>
>
> I get about 135 of 162 Mets games.
>>
>>
P.S. The Saturday afternoon game is becoming a relic as Fox owns that
slot. Teams want local telecasts so the move the games to Saturday night
so instead of a warm afternoon game ending around 4 we get chilly games
ending at 9 or later.
In addition on short notice ESPN can move a Sunday game to the
evening. Last year I went back east and purchased tickets for a 1 p.m.
Mets game.Because of the double parking whammy of the new stadium and
the adjacent US Open we decided to take NJ Transit the Long Island Rail
Road. On Monday the game was moved to 8 p.m. and with the Jersey trains
only running once an hour we had to leave in the 6th.
>>
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TOPIC: Costco guest passes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 8:16 pm
From: SMS
Seerialmom wrote:
> Ok...now I know where I'll look for the flat panel TV I'm
> considering...and I already have the membership so that's covered. I
> didn't realize they throw in an extended warranty.
Yeah, and until it was abused, they had an essentially unlimited
exchange period, but even now it's a very good six months.
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