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* Have you had a gas furnace installed in past 5 years? Need feedbackplease....
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* The LIFE of a TracFone? - 4 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Have you had a gas furnace installed in past 5 years? Need
feedbackplease....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/770153a7f68a2569?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 11:26 am
From: phil scott
On Sep 28, 10:14 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:51:05 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
>
>
>
>
>
> <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 28, 6:48 am, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> >> Im in the business... cheapest is you go to WW Grainger and get an
> >> > 80%- 87% effiicient furnace (those are simple and repairable)
>
> >> Phil, I wasn't aware that there was a "traditional" (I.E. - simpler)
> >> gas furnace out there that had efficiency above 80%. You're saying they
> >> go up to 87%, yet you can still just sit it in there where the old one
> >> was, without using the pvc & such? I've always been told that in order
> >> to get efficiency above 80%, a new system would have a number of
> >> differences, such as water dripline, actively vented exhaust through
> >> pvc, and much more complex circuit boards, etc.
>
> >> I was looking at a Goodman 92%, but if you're saying somebody has 85%
> >> to 87% without the complexity, I'd like to know more. Thanks!
>
> >Im in the larger system business and see the smaller systems only
> >occasionally these days.. You may be correct
> >on the 80% number. it seems you know how to investigate that.
> >what I dont like about the high effiicency furnaces is the
> >cost of repairs... see if you can find a Rheem furnace, they make
> >some pretty simple high efficiency systems.
>
> I've got a 10 year old Rheem Criterion II that just needed a new main
> board. Cost $480 to get it fixed. It's a so-called 80%.
that was prior to the Japanese buying Rheem, in that time frame and
earlier they made low end equipment, about
the same as the rest of the builder grade equipment in the US.... its
only been Japanese owned for 5 years or so.
their latest is quite impressive...one of the 97% hot water heaters I
purchased for a job had a 6 wire control system, with
quick change sensors for fast trouble shooting.. US boilers run to a
hundred or more wire connections...some are a real
pain.
however, it behoves a person to do their own reseaarch...thiis is
just my opinion.
Phil scott
> The electronic controls they use on these modern furnaces are geared
> to "safety" as much as efficiency.
> A simple thermocouple controlled gas valve and keeping a clean flue
> isn't enough apparently, and they have flue induction motors, flue
> pressure sensors, flame sensors, flame overflow sensors, etc.,
> requiring a control board.
> What I suggest is finding a good furnace repairman who works of
> different models and get his advice on selecting your next furnace.
> The trick is finding that guy.
>
> --Vic- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 2:38 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu
phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
>On Sep 28, 9:17=A0am, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>>
>> A $200 unvented gas space heater with a thermostat and a dehumidifier or
>> window AC in the room with a humidistat can condense the water vapor in
>> the combustion gas (11% of the output) for close to 100% efficiency.
>
>Ive seen repairs on those way over 500 dollars..
On the $200 gas heater or the $80 AC? :-)
Nick
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TOPIC: City reappraised our house up 31% !
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8459c124a40d2583?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 12:12 pm
From: The Real Bev
Lou wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> George wrote:
>>
>>> Same process where I live. They outsourced it to Century 21. They
>>> decided all of the values based on 1/1/08. Our taxes will go up over
>>> 45% starting 1/1/2009. They pretty much told you what you need to do.
>>> You need to schedule the informal hearing and offer some clear defense
>>> with a sound basis (gross computational error etc) or hire a licensed
>>> appraiser. If you can't offer some argument then you will pay.
>>
>> A friend who moved to New York told us about the "Welcome Stranger" tax.
>> When you bought a house the assessment was something ridiculous
>> which, if you didn't protest, you paid for the rest of your life or
>> until you moved; if you protested it was immediately decreased.
>>
>>> The only real thing to do is what everyone talks about but does
>>> nothing about and throw *all* of the current politicians under the
>>> bus, have strict term limits and demand accountability.
>>
>> Or copy California's Proposition 13, designed to severely limit
>> increases unless the property changes hands. The only way to keep them
>> from wasting our tax money is to keep them from collecting it.
>>
> While I sympathize with the circumstances that led to Proposition 13,
> the result just doesn't seem right to me. Two homeowners with identical
> houses on the same street can end up paying hugely different tax amounts.
If you don't move, your taxes stay low. The disadvantage is that if you
move into a house exactly like your own your taxes will multiply
significantly. The alternative is getting your taxes raised whenever
the government thinks it wants to spend more money.
Government employees are unionized. The unions have wiped out our
manufacturing industries, which fold if they're unable to make a profit.
Not the same for government -- "management" just has to raise taxes
and they get to jail us if we don't pay.
If our "elected" officials were capable of NOT wasting money there would
be plenty. Our local school board is planning on floating a $350million
bond offering to repair and update the local schools. The school
population is declining, schools SHOULD be closed (they spent
significant money on repair and landscaping of a school that was closed
the following year), and they're asking for money to (among other
things) update the air conditioning in the high school gym and add a
teachers' lounge.
I've got a feeling that if they contemplated just fixing the toilets,
repairing the roofs, making the phones work, etc. the total cost would
be considerably less; a couple of years ago they got $250million, which
wasn't enough.
Repeat: if you let them have it, they will waste it.
--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 2:39 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lou wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> George wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same process where I live. They outsourced it to Century 21. They
>>>> decided all of the values based on 1/1/08. Our taxes will go up
>>>> over 45% starting 1/1/2009. They pretty much told you what you
>>>> need to do. You need to schedule the informal hearing and offer
>>>> some clear defense with a sound basis (gross computational error
>>>> etc) or hire a licensed appraiser. If you can't offer some
>>>> argument then you will pay.
>>>
>>> A friend who moved to New York told us about the "Welcome Stranger"
>>> tax. When you bought a house the assessment was something
>>> ridiculous which, if you didn't protest, you paid for the rest of your life or
>>> until you moved; if you protested it was immediately decreased.
>>>
>>>> The only real thing to do is what everyone talks about but does
>>>> nothing about and throw *all* of the current politicians under the
>>>> bus, have strict term limits and demand accountability.
>>>
>>> Or copy California's Proposition 13, designed to severely limit
>>> increases unless the property changes hands. The only way to keep
>>> them from wasting our tax money is to keep them from collecting it.
>>>
>> While I sympathize with the circumstances that led to Proposition 13,
>> the result just doesn't seem right to me. Two homeowners with
>> identical houses on the same street can end up paying hugely
>> different tax amounts.
>
> If you don't move, your taxes stay low. The disadvantage is that if
> you move into a house exactly like your own your taxes will multiply
> significantly. The alternative is getting your taxes raised whenever
> the government thinks it wants to spend more money.
> Government employees are unionized. The unions have wiped out our manufacturing industries,
Nope, the standard of living in all modern first and second world countrys did that.
> which fold if they're unable to make a profit. Not the same for government -- "management" just has to raise taxes
> and they get to jail us if we don't pay.
> If our "elected" officials were capable of NOT wasting money there
> would be plenty. Our local school board is planning on floating a
> $350million bond offering to repair and update the local schools. The school population is declining, schools SHOULD
> be closed (they
> spent significant money on repair and landscaping of a school that
> was closed the following year), and they're asking for money to
> (among other things) update the air conditioning in the high school
> gym and add a teachers' lounge.
> I've got a feeling that if they contemplated just fixing the toilets,
> repairing the roofs, making the phones work, etc. the total cost would
> be considerably less; a couple of years ago they got $250million,
> which wasn't enough.
> Repeat: if you let them have it, they will waste it.
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TOPIC: The LIFE of a TracFone?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 12:41 pm
From: Zuke
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Forrest wrote:
>
> "Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0809280149440.20770@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>
>>> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
>>> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
>>> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
>>> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
>>> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
>>> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
>>> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
>>> home since I have a landline.
>>>
>>> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
>>> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
>>> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
>>> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
>>> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
>>> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>>>
>>
>> This just happened with my tracfone. I went out and bought a new
>> one for $14.99 at Meijers and the minutes transferred over from
>> the old one. I also received an extra 2 months service and 1000 minutes
>> with the new phone. I did the transfer myself on-line. One thing
>> you should keep handy is your old phone's IDs. I was worried as
>> you are about losing the minutes in my old phone but they transferred
>> easily.
>
> Was your old phone still functional or just battery not holding a charge
> well? I have never done the transfer on-line. I didn't know you could. I
> know that you can add air time and activate cards on-line. So, if you know
> the phone's ID# etc, then you can transfer even if, say you dropped it in
> the bath tub and it doesn't work, or you lose it?
> I think your thousand minutes above must be a typo. You probably meant 10
> minutes.
>
>
My phone was dead. It lit up and that was all, no letters. I called
tracfone and they sent out a new sim but that did not fix the problem
as I suspected it wouldn't. Then I went to Meijer's and got the $14.99
phone. I went online and there is a page to transfer the phone. All
you need is the old phone's ID's. That 1000 minutes is not a typo.
I don't know why I recieved it but I went from 800 minutes and a
deadline of Jan 29, to 1800 minutes and a deadline of Mar 29th. I did
pay for double minutes for life the last time I extended minutes so
maybe that had something to do with it.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 1:39 pm
From: Dennis
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:01:58 -0700, "Forrest"
<REMOVETHISrunforrest1@gmail.com> wrote:
>My wife, son and I have been using TracFone for about six or seven years. As
>you said, it's a great deal for a person that doesn't use a cell phone much.
>My wife and I don't. Our son, on the other hand is always out of minutes.
>He'll sit at his computer and talk on the cell phone with the land line
>right next to him, which is free. Whatever ...
>We have each had at least four or five different phones. They keep coming up
>with deals that include a free phone. I have a whole drawer full of them. I
>think the one that I used for over a year, a Motorola, got to where it
>didn't hold a charge very well. The last phone that I got came free with the
>purchase of a one year card. The card was 400 minutes and one year service
>for about $95. The phone was a double minutes for life and even got free
>shipping. I'm using the phone but haven't needed to cash in the card yet. I
>don't want to do that until I need to. The rub is that if you loose or break
>the phone, you will lose the minutes on it. The unused minutes roll over. I
>have over a thousand on it. When you get a new phone and have the old one,
>you call Radii, in Pakistan or India or where ever and go through a whole
>bunch of crap punching in codes and get the minutes transferred to the new
>one.
A. It is pretty cheap to replace the battery on those Motorola
phones. Like less than US$10 (I think I found a Motorola branded
replacement battery for for mine for around US$5 shipped).
2. If you have a huge bank of minutes accumulated on your Tracfone,
why are you buying more? It only costs US$4.95/month (i.e., less than
US$60/year) to keep the minutes you have on your phone active after
their original expiration date.
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 1:49 pm
From: "Forrest"
"Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0809281535320.20490@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Forrest wrote:
>
>>
>> "Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0809280149440.20770@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
>>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>>
>>>> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
>>>> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
>>>> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
>>>> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
>>>> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
>>>> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
>>>> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
>>>> home since I have a landline.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
>>>> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
>>>> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
>>>> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
>>>> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
>>>> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This just happened with my tracfone. I went out and bought a new
>>> one for $14.99 at Meijers and the minutes transferred over from
>>> the old one. I also received an extra 2 months service and 1000 minutes
>>> with the new phone. I did the transfer myself on-line. One thing
>>> you should keep handy is your old phone's IDs. I was worried as
>>> you are about losing the minutes in my old phone but they transferred
>>> easily.
>>
>> Was your old phone still functional or just battery not holding a charge
>> well? I have never done the transfer on-line. I didn't know you could. I
>> know that you can add air time and activate cards on-line. So, if you
>> know
>> the phone's ID# etc, then you can transfer even if, say you dropped it in
>> the bath tub and it doesn't work, or you lose it?
>> I think your thousand minutes above must be a typo. You probably meant 10
>> minutes.
>>
>>
>
> My phone was dead. It lit up and that was all, no letters. I called
> tracfone and they sent out a new sim but that did not fix the problem
> as I suspected it wouldn't. Then I went to Meijer's and got the $14.99
> phone. I went online and there is a page to transfer the phone. All
> you need is the old phone's ID's. That 1000 minutes is not a typo.
> I don't know why I recieved it but I went from 800 minutes and a deadline
> of Jan 29, to 1800 minutes and a deadline of Mar 29th. I did
> pay for double minutes for life the last time I extended minutes so
> maybe that had something to do with it.
I think you just got lucky. Double minutes or not, no way you would get an
extra 1,000 minutes added. Usually a new phone comes with a couple of months
service and 20 minutes or so. I better write down the ID numbers of our
phones, incase we lose or break one of them. I sure would hate to lose all
of those minutes that my wife and I have accumulated.
It seems like I can never find a phone that has enough ringing and listening
volume. This last one is an LG 225. It's OK but if I could turn it up some
more, I would. I guess I'm just picky about phones and how they fit my ear
and sound. Maybe I just need a hearing aid. Which phones have you had and
how did you like them?
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 2:16 pm
From: "Forrest"
"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bfqvd4hh3dhdsk6snt9do152khbc51se1q@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:01:58 -0700, "Forrest"
> <REMOVETHISrunforrest1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My wife, son and I have been using TracFone for about six or seven years.
>>As
>>you said, it's a great deal for a person that doesn't use a cell phone
>>much.
>>My wife and I don't. Our son, on the other hand is always out of minutes.
>>He'll sit at his computer and talk on the cell phone with the land line
>>right next to him, which is free. Whatever ...
>>We have each had at least four or five different phones. They keep coming
>>up
>>with deals that include a free phone. I have a whole drawer full of them.
>>I
>>think the one that I used for over a year, a Motorola, got to where it
>>didn't hold a charge very well. The last phone that I got came free with
>>the
>>purchase of a one year card. The card was 400 minutes and one year service
>>for about $95. The phone was a double minutes for life and even got free
>>shipping. I'm using the phone but haven't needed to cash in the card yet.
>>I
>>don't want to do that until I need to. The rub is that if you loose or
>>break
>>the phone, you will lose the minutes on it. The unused minutes roll over.
>>I
>>have over a thousand on it. When you get a new phone and have the old one,
>>you call Radii, in Pakistan or India or where ever and go through a whole
>>bunch of crap punching in codes and get the minutes transferred to the new
>>one.
>
> A. It is pretty cheap to replace the battery on those Motorola
> phones. Like less than US$10 (I think I found a Motorola branded
> replacement battery for for mine for around US$5 shipped).
>
> 2. If you have a huge bank of minutes accumulated on your Tracfone,
> why are you buying more? It only costs US$4.95/month (i.e., less than
> US$60/year) to keep the minutes you have on your phone active after
> their original expiration date.
Well, I had a Motorola flip phone (V60i) that I really liked. TracFone
informed me that something about the service was changing and that it would
no longer work. They sent me a free replacement phone. It too was a Motorola
but crappy (V170). The phonebook wasn't on the sim, I guess, and all too
often it would say something like, " phonebook not available at this time".
I saw the LG 225 (new, not reconditioned) with double minutes for life, for
free and free shipping with the purchase of an annual card that had 400
minutes. That was about $95 or $100. I didn't realize that you could buy
just the service time. I'll keep that in mind. As for now, I'm good till
5/9/09 and still haven't cashed in the annual card yet.
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TOPIC: Bioterrorism
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 1:11 pm
From: Radiocorea
TARGETED INDIVIDUAL and a member of THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST
TORTURE AND ABUSE USING DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS .
I SUPPORT THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST TORTURE AND ABUSE USING
DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS.
I would like to draw your attention to some extreme and horrendous
criminality being conducted with the involvement of United States
Government-related Agencies and the complicity, if not participation,
of many other governments, security agencies and/or shadowy
organisations - involving the use of DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL
WEAPONS on defenceless people.
I can confirm that the technical abilities and powers to:-
1. place a human subject under continuous surveillance, no matter
where he/she is, from remote locations.
2. continuously monitor a human brain from remote locations, including
thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and visual image
reading
3. continuously input directly into a human brain from remote
locations, including the ability to override, control and alter
consciousness, and to introduce voices, noises, other disturbances,
images and "dreams" into the brain
4. directly interfere with, abuse, torture and hit bodies - including
performing advanced medical procedures - and objects - from remote
locations
5. directly interfere with, alter, insert etc. data, files,
communications and legal evidence from remote locations - even during
transmission
6. make live TV, and other screens and monitors, two-way – for
surveillance, invasion of privacy etc..
7. control the flow of information and orchestrate the media –
worldwide.
ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE AND ARE ALREADY BEING ABUSED!
There is massive ignorance and secrecy regarding this, and victims
such as I are being subjected to uncontrolled and unacknowledged
torture and mental and physical destruction. This has remained
completely unreported and undiscussed publicly. There are many others,
all over the world, who are being subjected to similar torture and
abuse – some of us are being subjected to the most extreme and
totalitarian violations of human rights in human history
As well as being inhumane and criminal the crimes being committed
against us are contrary to the Principles and Values of all the major
religions and ethical systems - and yet our appeals for justice,
protection, assistance and/or publicity to Government Representatives,
Government Officials, Government Agencies, International
Organisations, Human Rights Organisations, Universities, Scientific
and other Institutions, and the International Media have been almost
completely ignored and/or suppressed. For anyone at all concerned
about human rights, liberty, democracy, privacy, the rule of law and
ALL aspects and degrees of human freedom, individuality and mental and
physical integrity and health this uncontrolled and unacknowledged
technology and torture and abuse is intolerable! Your attention and
assistance is urgently needed to halt these atrocities, control and
regulate the use of these technologies, and to bring these extremist
elements to justice.
I DEMAND AN INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE CRIMES AND HUGE
VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 3:19 pm
From: "Forrest"
"Radiocorea" <chineseunivision@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:15cdbbee-dd61-44ea-8493-f3be7910355d@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
TARGETED INDIVIDUAL and a member of THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST
TORTURE AND ABUSE USING DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS .
I SUPPORT THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST TORTURE AND ABUSE USING
DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS.
I would like to draw your attention to some extreme and horrendous
criminality being conducted with the involvement of United States
Government-related Agencies and the complicity, if not participation,
of many other governments, security agencies and/or shadowy
organisations - involving the use of DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL
WEAPONS on defenceless people.
I can confirm that the technical abilities and powers to:-
1. place a human subject under continuous surveillance, no matter
where he/she is, from remote locations.
2. continuously monitor a human brain from remote locations, including
thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and visual image
reading
3. continuously input directly into a human brain from remote
locations, including the ability to override, control and alter
consciousness, and to introduce voices, noises, other disturbances,
images and "dreams" into the brain
4. directly interfere with, abuse, torture and hit bodies - including
performing advanced medical procedures - and objects - from remote
locations
5. directly interfere with, alter, insert etc. data, files,
communications and legal evidence from remote locations - even during
transmission
6. make live TV, and other screens and monitors, two-way – for
surveillance, invasion of privacy etc..
7. control the flow of information and orchestrate the media –
worldwide.
ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE AND ARE ALREADY BEING ABUSED!
There is massive ignorance and secrecy regarding this, and victims
such as I are being subjected to uncontrolled and unacknowledged
torture and mental and physical destruction. This has remained
completely unreported and undiscussed publicly. There are many others,
all over the world, who are being subjected to similar torture and
abuse – some of us are being subjected to the most extreme and
totalitarian violations of human rights in human history
As well as being inhumane and criminal the crimes being committed
against us are contrary to the Principles and Values of all the major
religions and ethical systems - and yet our appeals for justice,
protection, assistance and/or publicity to Government Representatives,
Government Officials, Government Agencies, International
Organisations, Human Rights Organisations, Universities, Scientific
and other Institutions, and the International Media have been almost
completely ignored and/or suppressed. For anyone at all concerned
about human rights, liberty, democracy, privacy, the rule of law and
ALL aspects and degrees of human freedom, individuality and mental and
physical integrity and health this uncontrolled and unacknowledged
technology and torture and abuse is intolerable! Your attention and
assistance is urgently needed to halt these atrocities, control and
regulate the use of these technologies, and to bring these extremist
elements to justice.
I DEMAND AN INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE CRIMES AND HUGE
VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
Oh yeah, now ya tell me, after I already threw away my aluminum foil
beannie!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 6:11 pm
From: Al Bundy
Radiocorea wrote:
> TARGETED INDIVIDUAL and a member of THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST
> TORTURE AND ABUSE USING DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS .
> I SUPPORT THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST TORTURE AND ABUSE USING
> DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL WEAPONS.
> I would like to draw your attention to some extreme and horrendous
> criminality being conducted with the involvement of United States
> Government-related Agencies and the complicity, if not participation,
> of many other governments, security agencies and/or shadowy
> organisations - involving the use of DIRECTED ENERGY AND NEUROLOGICAL
> WEAPONS on defenceless people.
> I can confirm that the technical abilities and powers to:-
> 1. place a human subject under continuous surveillance, no matter
> where he/she is, from remote locations.
> 2. continuously monitor a human brain from remote locations, including
> thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and visual image
> reading
> 3. continuously input directly into a human brain from remote
> locations, including the ability to override, control and alter
> consciousness, and to introduce voices, noises, other disturbances,
> images and �dreams� into the brain
> 4. directly interfere with, abuse, torture and hit bodies - including
> performing advanced medical procedures - and objects - from remote
> locations
> 5. directly interfere with, alter, insert etc. data, files,
> communications and legal evidence from remote locations - even during
> transmission
> 6. make live TV, and other screens and monitors, two-way � for
> surveillance, invasion of privacy etc..
> 7. control the flow of information and orchestrate the media �
> worldwide.
> ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE AND ARE ALREADY BEING ABUSED!
> There is massive ignorance and secrecy regarding this, and victims
> such as I are being subjected to uncontrolled and unacknowledged
> torture and mental and physical destruction. This has remained
> completely unreported and undiscussed publicly. There are many others,
> all over the world, who are being subjected to similar torture and
> abuse � some of us are being subjected to the most extreme and
> totalitarian violations of human rights in human history
> As well as being inhumane and criminal the crimes being committed
> against us are contrary to the Principles and Values of all the major
> religions and ethical systems - and yet our appeals for justice,
> protection, assistance and/or publicity to Government Representatives,
> Government Officials, Government Agencies, International
> Organisations, Human Rights Organisations, Universities, Scientific
> and other Institutions, and the International Media have been almost
> completely ignored and/or suppressed. For anyone at all concerned
> about human rights, liberty, democracy, privacy, the rule of law and
> ALL aspects and degrees of human freedom, individuality and mental and
> physical integrity and health this uncontrolled and unacknowledged
> technology and torture and abuse is intolerable! Your attention and
> assistance is urgently needed to halt these atrocities, control and
> regulate the use of these technologies, and to bring these extremist
> elements to justice.
> I DEMAND AN INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE CRIMES AND HUGE
> VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
While your English seems more tortured than anything else, you do
exhibit signs of being mentally violated. I'll take your message as a
heads-up and get my people on it straight away. You are hereby
instructed to keep all communications to a minimum to prohibit
interception and alteration.
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TOPIC: What cars to consider - with mileage > 40 mpg?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 1:50 pm
From: "John Weiss"
"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:gbo599$2uo$1@aioe.org...
>
> I'd like it to get at least 40 mpg highway, be a Diesel, and have
> manual transmission. I think the 40 mpg should be a starting point - I'm
> assuming they have improved efficiencies in the past 30 years, and that
> they can probably do better than that now, but we'd be happy with 40+.
>
> Can anyone recommend a car that would make us happy?
VW Jetta Diesel.
If you want to look at gas, a Honda Insight may be OK. They're not as
popular as the Prius (only 2 seats), so that may make them cheaper on the
used-car market.
A first-generation Prius (based on the Echo) may be an option, too, for the
same reason.
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TOPIC: The poor has more responsibilities and moral obligations than the rich
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 2:00 pm
From: ultimauw@gmail.com
On Sep 28, 12:31 am, nys999 <nys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> h...@nospam.org wrote innews:d60ud4pg2d6g22ej52ogmh7m579nfepqli@4ax.com:
>
> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:00:35 -0700 (PDT), ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> When it comes to the average citizen, the gov't seems to penny pinch,
> >>and make up all kinds of excuses for denial of social services to save
> >>money. They will even liquidate your property after you die to pay for
> >>some of the services they 'gave' you. How come they aren't doing the
> >>same thing here with the CEOs? How come their assets, their mansions,
> >>their cars, their yachts, their jewelry, and everything else are not
> >>being confiscated, and sold at auction to help with the cost of the
> >>bailout?
>
> > that's what Republicans do. They screw the middle class for the
> > benefit of the wealthy.
>
> If a homeowner's job went to China, or a major illness wiped out his bank
> account and paycheck....too bad he still needs to meet his moral and legal
> responsibility to pay his mortgage off.
>
> But the CEO who uses accounting tricks or fraudulant business practices to
> temporarily boost the company's stock price so he can retire well and cash
> in huge stock options or, if the company begins failing, utilize his golden
> parachute...well, sound business decision-making may be alluded to in a
> executive contract but are never defined.
>
> Morals and ethics are more demanded of the janitorial staff than the
> executive staff. A janitor caught stealing office supplies is fired, a CEO
> who commits fraud is quietly terminated and given a golden parachute.
Well said!
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TOPIC: Do Warehouse Stores Really Save You Money?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 2:02 pm
From: The Real Bev
Bret_Halford wrote:
> Are the frozen bagels really comparable to the (presumably) fresh
> bagels from the local shop?
The local Costco sells Noah's bagels (baked fresh every day, not
frozen). Noah has several bagel shops. They're just as good and just
as fresh if you buy them at Costco. Minimum quantity 1 dozen, 2
packages of 6 each. Bagels freeze really nicely, much better than bread.
> The real brain-buster is why you don't bake your own and just buy
> flour and oil in bulk.
No oil, you're thinking of doughnuts. You boil and then bake bagels.
When I shop at Costco, I go up and down all the aisles to see if there's
anything I want at the price required. I do the same at the
99-Cents-Only Store. I don't regard this as wasting money but as
enriching my life.
--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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TOPIC: Sealy Bed And Mattress Sales
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 3:49 pm
From: Mattress- Beds
Sealy Bed and mattress sales
now on http://www.mattress-sales.co.uk/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 3:59 pm
From: clams_casino
Mattress- Beds wrote:
>Sealy Bed and mattress sales
>
>
>
>
>
marketing@sealy.co.uk would like to hear any complaints about their
products being spammed
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TOPIC: Math on the bailout doesn't add up...
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 5:30 pm
From: Jitney
It is hard to find statistics on the mortgage crisis, so I'm making an
estimate. There are about 100 million households in the USA, assuming
10% are in default or foreclosure, which I think is a high estimate,
subtracting rentals from the 100 million (if you can refute me from a
credible authority, I would love to be corrected). Ten million divided
into 700 billion works out to $700,000 per distressed property, which
should on the average buy out each property twice. What is happening
to the rest? I think this is a massive raid on the US treasury, with a
threat of a Great Depression if we don't pay up, and that isn't even
counting AIG, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
Wall Street is stealing more than the Huns that raided the Roman
Empire, with similar results. And this is not the end. Congress forked
over 25 Billion to the automakers, the airlines are next, and who
then? Ben and Jerries? We are looking at a new Dark Ages.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 6:03 pm
From: Al Bundy
Jitney wrote:
> It is hard to find statistics on the mortgage crisis, so I'm making an
> estimate. There are about 100 million households in the USA, assuming
> 10% are in default or foreclosure, which I think is a high estimate,
> subtracting rentals from the 100 million (if you can refute me from a
> credible authority, I would love to be corrected). Ten million divided
> into 700 billion works out to $700,000 per distressed property, which
> should on the average buy out each property twice. What is happening
> to the rest? I think this is a massive raid on the US treasury, with a
> threat of a Great Depression if we don't pay up, and that isn't even
> counting AIG, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
> Wall Street is stealing more than the Huns that raided the Roman
> Empire, with similar results. And this is not the end. Congress forked
> over 25 Billion to the automakers, the airlines are next, and who
> then? Ben and Jerries? We are looking at a new Dark Ages.
Nope, your math is indeed faulty. $700B/10M is $70,000.
If you have 10 million properties in default, it doesn't matter
whether they are rentals or not. Somebody owns them and may have a
mortgage.
Also, how about commercial properties that can be valued in the
millions?
I think this is way beyond your comprehension. Just bend over and
enjoy.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 6:13 pm
From: "Dave"
"Jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1e130727-4846-4f76-93df-613dac07bccf@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> It is hard to find statistics on the mortgage crisis, so I'm making an
> estimate. There are about 100 million households in the USA, assuming
> 10% are in default or foreclosure, which I think is a high estimate,
> subtracting rentals from the 100 million (if you can refute me from a
> credible authority, I would love to be corrected). Ten million divided
> into 700 billion works out to $700,000 per distressed property, which
> should on the average buy out each property twice. What is happening
> to the rest?
OK, what you are missing is this... banks don't just make money by
underwriting mortgages. Some bad mortgages were made, but some bad
INVESTMENTS were made, also. The distressed banks are in trouble due to
mis-management of corporate funds. PART of that mis-management (5%?,
maybe?) was in the form of certain mortgages that never should have been
under-written. This isn't a mortgage crisis, that is just one symptom. It
is a corporate crisis, where certain banks are in trouble, and some of them
happen to hold mortgage notes which may or may not ever get paid off.
> I think this is a massive raid on the US treasury, with a
> threat of a Great Depression if we don't pay up,
The Great Depression will look like a cakewalk compared to the impending
financial collapse of the U.S.
> and that isn't even
> counting AIG, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
> Wall Street is stealing more than the Huns that raided the Roman
> Empire, with similar results. And this is not the end. Congress forked
> over 25 Billion to the automakers, the airlines are next, and who
> then? Ben and Jerries? We are looking at a new Dark Ages.
Nawwwww... we'll just get sold to Iran for about $25,000. -Dave
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 7:23 pm
From: nada <@nope.not>
Dave wrote:
> "Jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1e130727-4846-4f76-93df-613dac07bccf@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> It is hard to find statistics on the mortgage crisis, so I'm making an
>> estimate. There are about 100 million households in the USA, assuming
>> 10% are in default or foreclosure, which I think is a high estimate,
>> subtracting rentals from the 100 million (if you can refute me from a
>> credible authority, I would love to be corrected). Ten million divided
>> into 700 billion works out to $700,000 per distressed property, which
>> should on the average buy out each property twice. What is happening
>> to the rest?
>
> OK, what you are missing is this... banks don't just make money by
> underwriting mortgages. Some bad mortgages were made, but some bad
> INVESTMENTS were made, also. The distressed banks are in trouble due to
> mis-management of corporate funds. PART of that mis-management (5%?,
> maybe?) was in the form of certain mortgages that never should have been
> under-written. This isn't a mortgage crisis, that is just one symptom. It
> is a corporate crisis, where certain banks are in trouble, and some of them
> happen to hold mortgage notes which may or may not ever get paid off.
>
>> I think this is a massive raid on the US treasury, with a
>> threat of a Great Depression if we don't pay up,
>
> The Great Depression will look like a cakewalk compared to the impending
> financial collapse of the U.S.
>
>
>> and that isn't even
>> counting AIG, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
>> Wall Street is stealing more than the Huns that raided the Roman
>> Empire, with similar results. And this is not the end. Congress forked
>> over 25 Billion to the automakers, the airlines are next, and who
>> then? Ben and Jerries? We are looking at a new Dark Ages.
>
> Nawwwww... we'll just get sold to Iran for about $25,000. -Dave
>
>
If they had the money to lend it would be a write off.
They didn't have the money. They didn't even have a fraction to back
the loans. The share holders should sue the stocking off them except
they knew the game and thought they could make money where there was none.
They are going to print or at least put some decimal points on the
computers suggesting money. The value of everything we own will take a
dump along with the dollar. A ten dollar hamburger will be a bargain.
The people that made all this happen skate while we try to pay of a
10,000,000,000,000.00+ debt.
This is government of by and for unregulated global business. Aren't
they terrific economists? Are they this stupid? Is globalism not just
about raiding our wealth?
Is anyone building a new rope factory?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 8:40 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:23:05 -0500, wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> "Jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1e130727-4846-4f76-93df-613dac07bccf@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> It is hard to find statistics on the mortgage crisis, so I'm making an
>>> estimate. There are about 100 million households in the USA, assuming
>>> 10% are in default or foreclosure, which I think is a high estimate,
>>> subtracting rentals from the 100 million (if you can refute me from a
>>> credible authority, I would love to be corrected). Ten million divided
>>> into 700 billion works out to $700,000 per distressed property, which
>>> should on the average buy out each property twice. What is happening to
>>> the rest?
>>
>> OK, what you are missing is this... banks don't just make money by
>> underwriting mortgages. Some bad mortgages were made, but some bad
>> INVESTMENTS were made, also. The distressed banks are in trouble due to
>> mis-management of corporate funds. PART of that mis-management (5%?,
>> maybe?) was in the form of certain mortgages that never should have been
>> under-written. This isn't a mortgage crisis, that is just one symptom.
>> It is a corporate crisis, where certain banks are in trouble, and some
>> of them happen to hold mortgage notes which may or may not ever get paid
>> off.
>>
>>> I think this is a massive raid on the US treasury, with a threat of a
>>> Great Depression if we don't pay up,
>>
>> The Great Depression will look like a cakewalk compared to the impending
>> financial collapse of the U.S.
>>
>>
>>> and that isn't even
>>> counting AIG, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
>>> Wall Street is stealing more than the Huns that raided the Roman
>>> Empire, with similar results. And this is not the end. Congress forked
>>> over 25 Billion to the automakers, the airlines are next, and who then?
>>> Ben and Jerries? We are looking at a new Dark Ages.
>>
>> Nawwwww... we'll just get sold to Iran for about $25,000. -Dave
>>
>>
> If they had the money to lend it would be a write off. They didn't have
> the money. They didn't even have a fraction to back the loans. The share
> holders should sue the stocking off them except they knew the game and
> thought they could make money where there was none. They are going to
> print or at least put some decimal points on the computers suggesting
> money. The value of everything we own will take a dump along with the
> dollar. A ten dollar hamburger will be a bargain. The people that made all
> this happen skate while we try to pay of a 10,000,000,000,000.00+ debt.
> This is government of by and for unregulated global business. Aren't they
> terrific economists? Are they this stupid? Is globalism not just about
> raiding our wealth?
> Is anyone building a new rope factory?
Dunno, I much prefer Madame Guillotine:
http://www.stewwebb.com/guillotine_symbol_of_tyranny.htm
--
Regards, Curly
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TOPIC: A cure for govt bloat and corruption in Massachusetts.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 6:04 pm
From: phil scott
Massachusetts, voter initiative to eliminate the state income
tax..will cut state budget by 45%, gets massive govt support.... the
states civil service unions have unlimited funds to fight the
measure. I suppose they want to bankrupt the middle class before
any correction occurs.
***
This mess had its personal beginning with me a few years ago when I
got a bogus speeding ticket, then the judge allowed it to stand in
court even after the officer said he guessed at my speed because he
could not see the section of road he said I was speeding on.
I did a T shirt campaign on the issue of bogus tickets. money needed
to fund 150k a year police retirements... total fraud imo...
Reposted:
This will cut the states income by 45%...and since a majority of that
goes for fire, police, prision guards, and half of that for their
killer retirement packages...
will all but cut the balls off of such govt bloat and high living at
the expense of the dying middle class.
too bad. .. it has massive voter support.
search google news for 'Massachusets, income tax, 45%, New york times'
should get the article.
Odd this killer news was not found on google or in the SF papers...
pooooof...not a single mention. but filling page 15 of the New
York Times, Sept 28th issue.
The people of massachusetts have had it. As this economic fraud
mess keeps going south you will see other states with similar
initiatives on their ballots.
The burden will then go onto the cities, many in the US already
filing
bankrupcy and we have not even begun to see the worst. 80% of
those
budgets are fire and police...and half of that to pay their 100k+
retirements and 100% health care (funded by tax payers , half of whom
cant afford health insurance).
Since these in both cases are the bulk of govt expendatures, it is
their grossly out of line retirement packages etc that have caused
much of the problem...along with other fat ass, snivel servant...
govt
bloat issues.
as Ive been mentioning for some time now, and on the T shirts (that
sell well nationally)... that bogusness, and those bogus traffic
tickets etc...wont fly much longer.
Maybe I need to add a t shirt line about getting this initative into
all states...and maybe a similar one for federal govt. seeing as how
they sabataged me in court on that bogus speeding ticket... lying
about pore ol philsie here hauling ass in the McArthur tunnel.
Next is property taxes going to rip off levels
as more and more home owners go out of work and cant borrow on their
house anymore, and cant afford fuel to get to work and eat well at
the
same time... thats not going to fly either... no money honey.
Issuing bogus tickets these cant pay wont work either...neither will
slowing them all down to 35... grid lock is not a solution to
government bloat.
something has to give... as in compton california...they laid off
their entire police force years ago... the county sherrif covers the
area now.
what will fly is an 80% reduction in the size of govt....the police
can spend their time chasing down criminals, not trying to raise
money
with bogus speeding tickets. I dont think many of these are
laughing anymore.
Phil scott
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TOPIC: CVS Pharmacist calls customer a "Fucking AIDS freak"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 7:14 pm
From: dre
On Sep 17, 3:40 am, chief_thrac...@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:36:09 -0400, Patriot Games
>
> <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
> >You weren't paying attention, FAG.
>
> How intelligent, you're remark, My, you must belong to MENSA.
>
> >1 conservative heterosexual wife, 5 conservative heterosexual
> >children, 12 conservative heterosexual grandchildren.
>
> All cursed with your ignorant, vile presence.
>
> >That means we have YOU outnumbered, FAG.
>
> Quantity over quality, of course.
>
> >>Gaymerica: love it or leave it!
>
> >There's NO SUCH THING.
>
> Then why get so upset?
>
> >At best maybe 4% of the population is FAGGOTS.
>
> Nope...10%, statistics have proven time and again. The only way one
> can claim a much smaller amount, is to count only those gays brave
> enough to be out of the closet. The remaining majority percentage
> continue to live in fear of hetero bully terrorists, and thus hide
> their sexuality.
>
> One day, though, there will be a reckoning, and we will rise up and
> bash back. That day is soon. White folks once thought that blacks were
> spineless pushovers, they'd NEVER rebel. Well, look what happened,
> eh? So most heteros believe the same about homos. You're in for a rude
> awakening, old breeder fart!
>
> >Which means we could EXTERMINATE ALL OF YOU and not miss any of ya's.
>
> Oh, your kind will soon spread a global anti-gay pogram around the
> world. Unfortunately for your kind, it will backfire...and we'll even
> have our own gay nation, among other benefits.
>
> >Fuck off, FAG.
>
> Ooooo, your intelligent expletives really impress me! You really think
> you're SUCH a man, don't you? When in truth, all your huffy posturing
> only broadcasts how INSECURE you really are. And THAT my friend,
> indicates you as a closet case.
>
> I'd even wager that you are secretly DESPISED by at least SOME of your
> children/grandchildren. At least, those who are intelligent. But
> smartness doesn't seem to run in your family, eh? At least, not YOUR
> side of the family.
>
> --
> Steal This Blog!http://www.gay-bible.org/steal
this should be discussed in sociology forum
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TOPIC: Wholesale discount ed hardy jeans hoody shirts cap sneakers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 8:14 pm
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TOPIC: CFL specs: "SBCFL" Floodlights?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 8:25 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In article <slrngduu1u.1ll.nobody@my-286.local>, Dan Birchall wrote:
>jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net (JR Weiss) wrote:
>> Today I replaced an outside floodlight fixture with IR and
>> motion sensors. I got one that specifically said on the
>> outside of the box that it was compatible with CFL bulbs.
>> In the spec sheet, however, it specifies "SBCFL" bulbs of
>> max 30 watts each.
>>
>> So, what is "SBCFL"? Do I have to look for something
>> specific on the package?
>
>Self-Ballasted Compact Fluorescent Lamp. Or to put it another way, a
>CFL that has its ballast internal, rather than in the fixture.
That makes every screw-base CFL I ever saw a SBCFL.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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