Frugal Living: 26 new messages in 12 topics

Wednesday, September 10, 2008

26 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Unplug your cable. Get TV over the internet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ac4fe22465227d21?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:04 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

>Back in March I posted a message where I told everyone here
>that I was pulling the plug on Comca$t and I was going to
>get all my TV viewing off the internet. Well, the results
>are in and the results are mixed. I thought that the rest
>of the group might be intrested. So I created a web page
>at www.gordonreeder.com/content/TVoIP.html. I'm not selling
>anything, there are no ads, and no click throughs. Just
>trying to share some knowledge.

I for one am very interested in your
experiment as I've thought abt doing
same thing...getting ALL programming off
the Net and forgetting abt off air or
cable

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:48 pm
From: Gordon

" Frank" <x> wrote in news:38KdnaF9fINtZlvVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com:

>
> "Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B1495E0A82B8greederxprtnet@194.177.96.26...
>> Back in March I posted a message where I told everyone here
>> that I was pulling the plug on Comca$t and I was going to
>> get all my TV viewing off the internet. Well, the results
>> are in and the results are mixed. I thought that the rest
>> of the group might be intrested. So I created a web page
>> at www.gordonreeder.com/content/TVoIP.html. I'm not selling
>> anything, there are no ads, and no click throughs. Just
>> trying to share some knowledge.
>>
>
> The above link doesn't work. Is this the one?
> http://mysite.verizon.net/g_reeder/Content/TVoIP.html
>
>

Yes. The first link should redirect there. I'm not sure
why it didn't.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 3:04 pm
From: Gordon

me@privacy.net wrote in news:vgdgc4dbpn02q0otcvtpfqu15udhkhp9nf@4ax.com:

> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>>Back in March I posted a message where I told everyone here
>>that I was pulling the plug on Comca$t and I was going to
>>get all my TV viewing off the internet. Well, the results
>>are in and the results are mixed. I thought that the rest
>>of the group might be intrested. So I created a web page
>>at www.gordonreeder.com/content/TVoIP.html. I'm not selling
>>anything, there are no ads, and no click throughs. Just
>>trying to share some knowledge.
>
> I for one am very interested in your
> experiment as I've thought abt doing
> same thing...getting ALL programming off
> the Net and forgetting abt off air or
> cable
>

Off air is pretty much free. All you need is one of those
digital converter boxes and an antenna. Once you have
that set up you can get a pretty good picture, if you have
decent reception. Since digital TV allows sub channels,
you will find that you have more content with a DTV
converter.
FWIW: Of the 12 local TV stations, only 2 have live internet
streams. And those are limited to locally produced shows.
Apearently the networks don't allow their local affiliats to
broadcast network content outside their local coverage areas.

TVoIP is still a very leading edge technology. Not eveyone
has heard about it. Including people in the entertainment
industry that should know about it. So some of the programming
that you would normally watch on cable can be pretty hard to find.

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TOPIC: Are there good reasons to leave your computer on?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/687c8842ea058153?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:17 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:49:00 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>
>"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g8mdc4tltlf8leitkndba13sep1rg2ejuq@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:56:45 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8190553d-c364-4f39-a152-b741d9b145b7@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Considering 24X365 hours in a year, if electricity costs 1 cent per
>>>> hour for your computer, it would cost $87 a year or over $170 if 2
>>>> cents per hour.
>>>
>>>I need my computer at least once an hour, 16-18 hours a day. Waiting for
>>>it
>>>to boot would waste a helluva lot more than 16-18 cents of my time.
>>>
>>
>> I have mine set to go to sleep (the lowest level of standby, HD off,
>> fans off) after a period of inactivity.
>
>Well, yeah, doesn't everyone? Of course it's set to "sleep" or "hibernate"
>or whatever they're calling it this year, but it's still "on" all the time.
>

If the the goal is minimal power usage along with minimal time to come
back to a usable state, then standby mode is a good tradeoff. As I
wrote (and you snipped), I've measured less than 4W of power
consumption in sleep mode on my PC (vs. 80-100W awake but idle).

Note that I'm not talking about a screen saver, but S3 standby mode of
the PC, with HD and fans off and minimal power to MB/CPU/memory.

There is a nice tool for setting up standby and other power management
controls on Windows available for free download at:

http://slicksolutions.eu/mst.shtml

I have used this tool and found it useful.

Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.

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TOPIC: Anti-spyware ap?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cd0862cab1997147?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:29 pm
From: Dennis

On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, Ken <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?

I run the free version of AVG. It combines anti-virus and
anti-spyware. Works for me.

Dennis (evil)
--
My output is down, my income is up, I take a short position on the long bond and
my revenue stream has its own cash flow. -George Carlin

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 4:40 pm
From: imascot

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3tegc41tmgao92admoao8s46m67fuk5nie@4ax.com:

> On 10 Sep 2008 15:52:52 GMT, Ken <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
>
> I run the free version of AVG. It combines anti-virus and
> anti-spyware. Works for me.
>
> Dennis (evil)

I use Spyware Blaster (free) which is supposed to prevent spyware from getting on in the first place, plus
Adaware and AVG. I used to use Spybot, but after a few updates, it started butting in constantly to the
point where I removed it.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:49 pm
From: Derald

Ken <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>Any suggestions? Something you are using and find effective?
After years of use, became displeased with current versions of
Adaware and AVGfree. Continue to use Spybot S&D (v1.6.0) but --on
recommendation from a knowledgable poster in alt.comp.freeware --
replaced the other two with Super Anti Spyware from here:
http://www.superantispyware.com/
and with Avira antiVir from here: http://www.free-av.com/

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TOPIC: Electricity Rates - wasRe: Home heating oil price?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/25ab6d7a439ac7f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 2:39 pm
From: "Matthew Beasley"

"Neon John" <no@never.com> wrote in message
news:j03ec4h73jsjfq75jhcer6ud2u73tq1gej@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:58:50 -0700, "Matthew Beasley" <nobody@spam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Dump them and form a co-op..... I'm a free market guy, but a utility
>>isn't
>>a free market.
>
> Want to go to the moon? Then build a rocket and go. That'd be about as
> easy
> as forming a co-op in an area with existing infrastructure.

OK, then form a PUD. It's been done here before. They condem the utility's
infastructure and issue bonds to pay off the payment to the IOU.

> A co-op wouldn't save them any money in Larry's situation anyway, since it
> would have to buy power from for-profit generators. Look at his delivery
> charge. That would remain, at least in part, with a co-op, as the power
> has
> to be delivered to the co-op's boundary.

Being a public utility would give them first tier access to BPA. (Larry is
also in BPA's territory.)

The other big benefit is far greater reliability. I'm at the edge of the
service territory, and PP&L serves my neighbors on the other side of the
valley. They're out FAR more often then my side of the valley. More than
1/2 of the line between town and me is now underground. They run a program
where they look at the most beneficial place to put in underground wires.
The lines are up and down repeatedly, since they don't bother where it's
going through or adjacent to pasture land, but stick it underground anywhere
the line is near trees. They are also adding an alternative route, so we
will have two routes to power to a junction 2 miles from me from two diverse
substations. Consumers has put in reclosers all along the route, PP&L is
fuse only the whole way.

>
> Co-ops work best in places like here where the power is delivered by a
> public
> utility - TVA - and passed through at cost plus operating expenses. A
> well-run municipal utility can do it even cheaper. For example, the same
> TVA
> power is about a cent a kWh cheaper in Cleveland (Cleveland Utilities,
> owned
> by the city) than here under a Co-op.

I've seen both ends on a municipal utility. If they run it to deliver power
and only deliver power, they're great. They also have only the cheapest
customers to service, those that are all packed together. Any other utility
has at least some rural residents with higher capital and upkeep costs.
OTOH, the city can treat it as a revenue stream and ream folks. I like the
idea that in a PUD / Co-op, the election is for the utility, and the utility
alone.

> Just out of curiosity, what Co-op are you with?

Consumer's Power

> Do they have a rate card
> available on-line?

Nope, but here it is for residential:

*Power Supply Charge:
All kwh = $0.03964/kwh
Distribution Charge:
0 - 1300 kwh = $0.03576/kwh
> 1300 kwh = $0.02776/kwh$8 meter charge for the first meter, $5 for
additional meters on the same account.I also have the commercial schedule at
home if you're interested.

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TOPIC: Britney Spears for Vice President!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/41617a060889d131?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 3:14 pm
From: krw

In article <%2Hxk.22082$89.12875@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, bent_peg69
@worldnet.att.net says...
> Fwiw, Palin has been a Republican since 1982. Check current Newsweek.
>
> However, I feel the Muslim Obama will be better for America in the long term
> since the Muslim religion is the largest in the world. His (sealed)
> racist's wife's doctoral thesis from Princeton should appease the
> African-Americans as well. Between the two, America should be safe from the
> divisive problems experienced in Europe like France's recent Muslim
> demonstrations and burnings.

Right. The UK had nothing to fear from Hitler.

--
Keith

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TOPIC: Update to Prepaid Cellular Site
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0b9c64361ec1224e?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 3:46 pm
From: Gordon

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
news:xuxxk.20404$jI5.10460@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com:

> I have updated my web site on prepaid cellular service at:
> "http://prepaiduswireless.com/"
>
> This is a non-commercial site that I put together because I was
> constantly e-mailing people information regarding which prepaid
> wireless plans were the best deals.
>
> There are presently four ways to get prepaid cellular for under $2.50
> per month:
>
> T-Mobile: As low as 74¢/month, as low as 8.8¢/minute (T-Moble network)
>
> PagePlus: As low as $2.35/month, as low as 5.4¢/minute (Verizon
> network)
>
> 7-11: SpeakOut $2.08/month, 15¢/minute (AT&T network)
>
> ARN: As low as 21¢ per month, as low as 25¢/minute (CDMA and AMPS
> networks))
>
> If you know of any better deals than these, let me know.
>

Good site. Very informitive. I've been searching for a
good prepaid cell plan to use as a 2nd phone. I had already
eliminated from consideration all the big plans that you
suggest avoiding (Trac phone, etc). I was pretty much
zeroing in on 7-11 Speak out. But I was unaware that there
was both a CDMA and GSM version.
I'm wondering why you prefer the GSM plan over the CDMA plan?
The CDMA plan would use the Verizon network around here. That
would be the best network in these parts.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 3:59 pm
From: imascot

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
news:jGCxk.594$Z64.136@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:

> imascot wrote:
>
>> Great site, very informative. However, my Page Plus phone roamed
>> just fine in Vancouver, and it also roamed in the U.S. Virgin
>> Islands.
>
> Interesting. Two years ago my kids had them in Canada (Calgary) and
> there was no service at all on them. I'd expect it to work in the
> Virgin Islands. Were you charged the higher rate for roaming?
>
> PagePlus is really amazing. I'm hoping that Verizon continues to let
> them resell service for a long time.
>

I was charged the roaming rate, but at least I could use the phone. My husband brought his Nextel,
he had no service, and my kids brought their Tracfones, and they had no service.

I like Page Plus, too. But when I recommend it to people, they are all excited until they hear about
the odd way you have to activate a phone. ("So, I have to go on Ebay to find someone to make it
work.........................?") So I just tell the ones I think can handle it, or I set it up for them, like I did
for my parents.

The most fun I had was when I took my phone to a Verizon store to have the firmware updated. The
know-it-all tech kid couldn't figure out why my number didn't come up in the Verizon computer. So,
to enlighten by confusing, I said, "Well, it's through Page Plus." He didn't want to admit that he had
no idea what I was referring to.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:22 pm
From: George Grapman

imascot wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
> news:jGCxk.594$Z64.136@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>> imascot wrote:
>>
>>> Great site, very informative. However, my Page Plus phone roamed
>>> just fine in Vancouver, and it also roamed in the U.S. Virgin
>>> Islands.
>> Interesting. Two years ago my kids had them in Canada (Calgary) and
>> there was no service at all on them. I'd expect it to work in the
>> Virgin Islands. Were you charged the higher rate for roaming?
>>
>> PagePlus is really amazing. I'm hoping that Verizon continues to let
>> them resell service for a long time.
>>
>
> I was charged the roaming rate, but at least I could use the phone. My husband brought his Nextel,
> he had no service, and my kids brought their Tracfones, and they had no service.
>
> I like Page Plus, too. But when I recommend it to people, they are all excited until they hear about
> the odd way you have to activate a phone. ("So, I have to go on Ebay to find someone to make it
> work.........................?") So I just tell the ones I think can handle it, or I set it up for them, like I did
> for my parents.
>
> The most fun I had was when I took my phone to a Verizon store to have the firmware updated. The
> know-it-all tech kid couldn't figure out why my number didn't come up in the Verizon computer. So,
> to enlighten by confusing, I said, "Well, it's through Page Plus." He didn't want to admit that he had

> no idea what I was referring to.
>
> J.

I work in telecom and the three words that give me the most
credibility are "I don't know".

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:50 pm
From: SMS

imascot wrote:

> I was charged the roaming rate, but at least I could use the phone. My husband brought his Nextel,
> he had no service, and my kids brought their Tracfones, and they had no service.

I remember being at the Anchorage airport and talking on my Verizon
phone, when Nextel and GSM customers had no coverage at all. GSM came
late to Alaska.

> I like Page Plus, too. But when I recommend it to people, they are all excited until they hear about
> the odd way you have to activate a phone. ("So, I have to go on Ebay to find someone to make it
> work.........................?") So I just tell the ones I think can handle it, or I set it up for them, like I did
> for my parents.

Well you can go to Ugly Eric at
"http://www.uglyeric.com/activation.html" but that may qualify as even
odder!

> The most fun I had was when I took my phone to a Verizon store to have the firmware updated. The
> know-it-all tech kid couldn't figure out why my number didn't come up in the Verizon computer. So,
> to enlighten by confusing, I said, "Well, it's through Page Plus." He didn't want to admit that he had
> no idea what I was referring to.

Yet if you call a PagePlus phone that's turned off, you get the a
Verizon message.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:51 pm
From: SMS

Gordon wrote:

> I'm wondering why you prefer the GSM plan over the CDMA plan?
> The CDMA plan would use the Verizon network around here. That
> would be the best network in these parts.

The CDMA plan is probably fine, but they charge more per minute.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:30 pm
From: Derald

imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote:

>all excited until they hear about the odd way you have to activate a phone.
I found nothing odd about calling a customer service number and
following instructions received from a human being.

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TOPIC: The wrong response to higher food prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7667014efbaf7d86?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 9:52 am
From: timeOday

<http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/09/pf/food_downsizing/index.htm>
"As manufacturers cope with the rising cost of raw ingredients and fuel,
downsizing their package sizes is one increasingly popular way to pass
along a price increase without drawing too much attention."
------------------------

Fortunately, the government requires producers to indicate the net
weight of the food on the packaging, and the grocery store indicates the
price per ounce. So the somewhat deceptive aspect of this is manageable.

My real problem with this policy is that packaging is expensive. Buying
larger quantities at a time is one way to save money, yet producers are
doing the opposite. So this particular response to higher food prices
just exacerbates the problem!

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TOPIC: Grills still using ceramic bricks or lava rocks
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f5ecb2d7e113da43?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 5:02 pm
From: imascot

Does anyone know of a propane grill that still uses ceramic bricks or lava rocks? We had a cheap Fiesta
grill that had them, and it lasted for years. The Kenmore we have now is only five years old, and it is
rusted through, which is bad enough, but the main problem is the design that allows grease to pool in
the bottom, instead of burning off almost immediately. It fills the catch can to overflowing, and the
patio is stained from it spilling, etc. The rusting is probably caused by this, too (we keep it covered
when not in use.)
I don't see any new grills in the stores that still use this system. We would even consider buying a better
brand used, if they had this, like maybe a Weber or Ducane?
J.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 7:02 pm
From: SMS

imascot wrote:
> Does anyone know of a propane grill that still uses ceramic bricks or lava rocks? We had a cheap Fiesta
> grill that had them, and it lasted for years. The Kenmore we have now is only five years old, and it is
> rusted through, which is bad enough, but the main problem is the design that allows grease to pool in
> the bottom, instead of burning off almost immediately. It fills the catch can to overflowing, and the
> patio is stained from it spilling, etc. The rusting is probably caused by this, too (we keep it covered
> when not in use.)
> I don't see any new grills in the stores that still use this system. We would even consider buying a better
> brand used, if they had this, like maybe a Weber or Ducane?

No longer available. The problem is "Kenmore." Buy a stainless steel
model at Costco, who uses higher grade steel.

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TOPIC: microsoft office 2007 removal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4644420a59739940?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:33 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <htPxk.938$1a2.223@trnddc04>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> i'm using vista 64bit. how do i remove this program?

Through the software and programs control panel.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 6:37 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6F1308.21332710092008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <htPxk.938$1a2.223@trnddc04>,
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i'm using vista 64bit. how do i remove this program?
>
> Through the software and programs control panel.

where is it? i did a search, but it didn't show up. i've only had this
computer a couple of weeks.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 7:16 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <AD_xk.997$Wd.396@trnddc01>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-6F1308.21332710092008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <htPxk.938$1a2.223@trnddc04>,
> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> i'm using vista 64bit. how do i remove this program?
> >
> > Through the software and programs control panel.
>
> where is it? i did a search, but it didn't show up. i've only had this
> computer a couple of weeks.

In the control panel. I don't have Vista available, but I think its
called "Programs and software" or something like that. If you still
can't find it, look under the help feature or go to
http://www.microsoft.com and search for "uninstall Office."

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:33 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-4AC6CD.22162810092008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <AD_xk.997$Wd.396@trnddc01>,
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:srhi-6F1308.21332710092008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > In article <htPxk.938$1a2.223@trnddc04>,
>> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> i'm using vista 64bit. how do i remove this program?
>> >
>> > Through the software and programs control panel.
>>
>> where is it? i did a search, but it didn't show up. i've only had this
>> computer a couple of weeks.
>
> In the control panel. I don't have Vista available, but I think its
> called "Programs and software" or something like that. If you still
> can't find it, look under the help feature or go to
> http://www.microsoft.com and search for "uninstall Office."

control panel/programs&features

what a mess; add or delete programs was much better

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:36 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

thanks. the microsoft website wasn't easy help. looks like they
want hide that info as much as possible.

i'm going with open office.

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TOPIC: 无线AP
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/07f7869abc5f11e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 7:59 pm
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TOPIC: Chanel H1626 J12 Diamonds Mens Watch Recommendation Discount Watches
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Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:38 pm
From: blog462@watchesblog.cn

Chanel H1626 J12 Diamonds Mens Watch Recommendation Discount Watches

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Chanel H1626 J12 Diamonds Mens Watch AdditionalInfo :

Watches Brand : Chanel Watches ( http://chanel-watches.pxhelp.com/ )
Gender : Mens
Model : chanel-watch-h1626
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TOPIC: Movado Esperanza Ladies Watch 0605090 Recommendation Discount Watches
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 10 2008 8:38 pm
From: blog462@watchesblog.cn

Movado Esperanza Ladies Watch 0605090 Recommendation Discount Watches

Movado Esperanza Ladies Watch 0605090 Site:
http://movado-watches.pxhelp.com/Movado-wristwatch-4738.html

Thank you for choosing http://www.pxhelp.com/

Quality Movado Watches: http://movado-watches.pxhelp.com/

Movado Esperanza Ladies Watch 0605090 AdditionalInfo :

Watches Brand : Movado Watches ( http://movado-watches.pxhelp.com/ )
Gender : Ladies
Model : Movado-0605090
Also Called : 605090, 0605090, Movado-605090, Movado-0605090
605090, 0605090, Movado-605090, M
Case Material : Stainless Steel
Movement : Quartz
Crystal : Scratch Resistant Sapphire
Dial Color : Black
Clasp : Two-tone Stainless Steel
Bezel : Fixed
Case Thickness : 26.5mm
Water Resistant : 30m/100ft

Stainless Steel And Gold Plated Case And Bracelet. Black Museum Dial.
Classic Movado Concave Dot. New Design. Case Diameter Approx. 1 3/8.
Adjustable Bracelet. Water Resistant. Sapphire Crystal. Movado Watch
Model Numbers 605090 / 0605090.
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