Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Send free sms & save money.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 28 2008 10:50 pm
From: madhurimaniknepal

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TOPIC: Stagflation ...the next big thang...and a cure of sorts
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 12:03 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <6mq47pFhut8iU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:

>Some terminal fuckwit that hasnt ever been able to manage
>a better job than delivering pizzas by bicycle, claiming to be
>Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote just the usual
>puerile silly shit that's exactly what you'd expect from a
>terminal fuckwit that hasnt ever been able to manage
>a better job than delivering pizzas by bicycle.

With all the time you spend online, you are still unaware that what
I professionally deliver by bicycle and have professionally delivered
by bicycle since I started such work in January 1985 has included 2
pizzas, both of them more than 15 years ago.
Not that even 30% of the miles I have travelled by a vehicle that I was
driving in any of every year in my life that I drove a vehicle were done
via a vehicle with any sort of a motor! Is such ability to outright
travel by bicycle nowadays an asset more than a liability?

You better improve your research on your many deserved enemies or else
change your ways enough to make the FAQ on you untrue to extent much
greater than achieving close to 1 year of advancement of emotional
maturity towards age 12 from what the maybe-10-year-old FAQ on you
indicates.

I do have more than 1 job. You are doing better at being an irritant
sub-troll deserving a FAQ than knowing the enemies that you like to
accumulate.

And I do not mind this posting of mine being killfiled by old-heads on
basis of responding once or twice or thrice monthly to the sub-troll on
basis of liking to expose better to newbies how severely Usenet has a
sub-troll having a FAQ that is fairly-current even if something like 10
years old!

Will you attempt to "get in the last word" via your occaisional-MO
that uses "flushing of reams" (my paraphrasing) or will you repeat your
more-usual-one(s)-using-"fuckwit" and 100% snippage of what was said by
the whoever you respond to via such a tactic?

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 1:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Some terminal fuckwit that hasnt ever been able to manage
a better job than delivering pizzas by bicycle, claiming to be
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote just the usual
puerile silly shit that's exactly what you'd expect from a
terminal fuckwit that hasnt ever been able to manage
a better job than delivering pizzas by bicycle.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 5:33 pm
From: Tony

Stagflation is something you won't see as the whole world with the
exception of a few countries is in recession. What you will see in America
is about 2 to 3 years of deflation followed by high inflation or the term
hyperinflation. You want to start buying gold, silver and platinum in a
few years' time. I know you've heard it before but i never get anything
wrong. What you say about these punks is correct. All of them are
imbeciles.

phil scott wrote:

> Educate yourself at the hands on level...become an entrepreneur, thats
> where baloney walks and skills talk...
>
> I am 67 years old and currently doing reasonably well only because my
> skill sets have recently come back in demand due to the decline of
> talent as most old farts are retiring.. and because of my ongoing
> agressive accumulation of new skills and abilities.
>
> ...the new breed of kiddies doesnt have much of a clue... and that
> includes many in the under age 45 bracket .. under at 35 its a
> complete disaster as best I can tell... I run into pipe wholesalers
> these days who will send me a box of pipe unions when i ordered
> valves... completely stunning levels of incompetence... on a recent
> test that included the branch manager... I gave him a spec and a
> sketch of a common fitting adapter... he came back with a whole box
> full of everything but and said take your pick.... no clue at
> all..not even the faintest.
>
> (there is hope, a new breed... teens to 20 somethings seem to have
> seen through much of this but are hampered by a grossly incompetent US
> educational system, lack of employer training in a majority of cases,
> and such low pay that they have no incentive to study up at home..)
>
> Stagflation:
> See my other posts on the underlying factors. these are not
> reversible in the US. We are in for it.
>
> accordingly the stock market will *rise in terms of dollars per share,
> as wages decline (in relation to living costs)... thats stagnation/
> inflation combination.... it will bankrupt a lot of people and
> companies. it will make the US a bad place to invest (see caveat
> below)... the US had been living on foreign capitol for decades...that
> has come to an end.
>
> ****
> However...
> I expect the stock market to double in terms of dollars per share over
> the next few years... as bread, gasoline, raw material increases at
> 15% more than that. tripleing, as the DOW doubles. (a net loss of
> value in the range of 50%..and thats also been the case with the DOW
> since 1993. its lost net value, as the dollar price rose.
>
> ***
>
> the ultra rich will get a lot richer by means of buying on margin..
> 5% . so that the gains as the other 95% of the stock doubles will
> amount to thousands of percentage points profit on the 5% they
> invested in buying the stock on margin.
>
> thats an insiders game... outsiders trying to tag along will be taken
> out by the pre-arranged dips in this overall market uptrend. The
> insiders (using untraceable) proxies know what 'good news', bad news
> or spin they will release and when and be ahead of that with their
> long or short selling.
>
> ***
> 99% of the general public will lose on that basis...but limitless
> wealth awaits those insiders... there is no cure in sight as this is
> not preventable.
>
> ***
>
> My advice; If you go long on margin, get the longest contracts
> possible, and ride them out.. be well informed, keep diversified in
> the major industrials....you might have a slim chance that way..very
> slim.... these largest firms have a harder time manipulating thier
> stock price than smaller companies with narrower vested interests.
>
> and invest in yourself, your own marketable skill sets, health and
> fitness, keeping costs well below income, with minimal taxation
> exposure., take care of your business relationships and income
> streams.
>
> as this mess tanks, and govt keeps on bloating it will become
> ruthlessly voracious... ruining many lives and eliminating whats left
> of the middle class.
>
> cutting ppty tax, and income tax exposure will be critical to
> survival.. there are many legal and ethical ways to accomplish that
> summed up in the categories of cooperation, joint venture, right
> relationship and full use of capitol equipment etc.
>
> Phil scott
>
> you can find my list of demographic and underlying factors posts on
> Misc.Invest.stocks and alt.computer.consultants

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 5:40 pm
From: Tony

Stock markets will never have a run like from 1982 to 2007 in your
lifetime again. Maybe not for the next thousand years. Stock markets never
go up when everyone is in stocks they go up when no one is in stocks. I
can tell you right now you want to be in the precious metals in about 2 to
3 years' time. The stock market will probably be the worst place to put
your money and the market is still grossly overvalued. The foreign markets
are much more overvalued than the American market. Stay clear of the stock
market for the rest of your life unless you're buying precious metal
stocks in the future.

phil scott wrote:

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

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TOPIC: How big is your entertainment budget?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 2:16 am
From: asiandollno1@gmail.com

I agree with what JonquilJan says it really depends on what
entertainment means to a person. Some people may spend more while some
people spend less.

Maybe its because we don't have kids we can spend more on
entertainment. We go out shopping almost every single day and most of
the time we eat out especially at the shopping mall. Whenever there is
a new blockbuster movies we will definitely go watch it. What about
holiday trips? We go on short trips a few months once.

In all we don't really have a budget for entertainment. Sometime we
can spend more than $100 per week Anyway why budget yourself it just
ruin the meaning of entertainment.

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:24 am
From: OhioGuy

I actually include the cost of my Internet connection in the
entertainment category - $3.50 a month for 150 hours of connectivity.
(since I play a lot of board games online for free on brettspielwelt)

>Anyway why budget yourself it just
> ruin the meaning of entertainment.

We do it out of necessity. Rather than ruining it, I feel that it
makes us more creative when it comes to entertainment. Out of habit, I
usually want to go to the cheap theater with the family. However, that
really adds up fast unless we can go on Tuesdays. ($8 on Tuesdays, vs
$14 other days for 4) My wife has been getting me more interested in
doing crafts and other less expensive things.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 7:59 am
From: "rick++"

I consider entertainement and travel an affordable luxury.
So it is 10% of my budget and 3% of my income.
Probably first to be cut in a crisis.
I could do a lot with cheap hikes in the nearby mountains
and $1 threater movies, if pressed.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:25 am
From: George Grapman

My best recurring expense in Netflix, three movies at a time
,unlimited. With store rentals I have to drive to the store,park ,hope
they have what I want and repeat the process.

When a movie is due at a store and I have not watched it my choices
are stay up late,pay a late fee or return the unwatched movie. With
Netflix I simply turn it off and continue at my convenience.

One of the last things I would give up is the baseball tv package.
It comes out to less than a dollar a day.

I eat out as much as before but I often oder plain water with my
meal instead of soft drinks or beer.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:59 am
From: "h"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge.@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:9g%Nk.5477$yr3.1080@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> My best recurring expense in Netflix, three movies at a time
> ,unlimited. With store rentals I have to drive to the store,park ,hope
> they have what I want and repeat the process.
>
> When a movie is due at a store and I have not watched it my choices are
> stay up late,pay a late fee or return the unwatched movie. With Netflix I
> simply turn it off and continue at my convenience.
>
> One of the last things I would give up is the baseball tv package. It
> comes out to less than a dollar a day.
>
> I eat out as much as before but I often oder plain water with my meal
> instead of soft drinks or beer.

We have cable tv with the cheapest premium channel package bundled in with
roadrunner and phone, both of which are necessary for business use
(self-employed, work at home). Other than that, we don't have any
"entertainment". We only eat out if we're traveling, and we don't rent
movies or go to the theatre. Just too expensive. Also, now that I'm old and
crotchety, I find the behavior of most people in theatres appalling. I'd
rather watch it on my tv where there are no people talking or children
screaming.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 3:08 pm
From: clams_casino

OhioGuy wrote:

> I'm just curious how much others set aside for this category. We
> have two adults and 2 children in our family, and we set aside $40
> every two weeks for all entertainment purposes.
>
> This means eating out, movies, music, books, tickets to anything, etc.
> We have to have the $ in there, or we do an alternative low cost or
> free activity. (board games, DVD from the library, etc.)
>
> How much do you set aside in your budget for these things?
>
> Thanks

Over 28 years, we have averaged 10% of our income going for
entertainment (motels, movies, eating out, plays, travel costs other
than driving, etc.

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TOPIC: Car Loans Banned in 7 Countries
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Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 2:16 am
From: blixs9@gmail.com

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The financing arm of Detroit-based General Motors Corp. said as of
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GMAC said it will assess the implications of the tough credit markets
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Gina Proia, a spokeswoman for GMAC, said the company's moves in Europe
are a result of a shortage of capital

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TOPIC: The rain is winning
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:33 am
From: "OG"

"Cwatters" <colin.wattersNOSPAM@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
news:ssqdnSjdj7qp5prUnZ2dnUVZ8sXinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
> "john d hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gdncvd$p0c$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>I recently installed a yardmaster metal shed in the garden. After a good
>> shower of rain the inside has huge wet patches on the concrete floor.
>>
>> The sheds on a cement base with the top three or four inches being a mix
>> of
>> one cement to four sharp sand and under that top layer, it's a mix of one
>> cement to three sharp sand and three Wickes ballast (gravel).
>>
>> I have put a bead of *clear* silicone around the metal frame base of the
>> shed, but its obviouslly not enough to stop the problem.
>
> I think you need to check with a hose to see where it's getting in.
>
> On the first picture it looks like a bit is missing. On the right of the
> picture there appears to be a triangular bead but on the left there
> appears to be none or even a U shape channel.

If it's anything like the one we bought, the side panels fit into shallow
channels and water running down the panels will run off both inside and
outside the shed.
See my earlier post for one way of tackling the problem (2x layers pond
liner and 1 of OSB). The experts' recommendation would be to use 18mm OSB
raised on 4x4 treated joists with a dpm between the joists and the OSB. I
didn't follow their advice because of the limited headroom.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 12:25 pm
From: "Cwatters"

"OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message
news:6mre5jFi8lvrU1@mid.individual.net...
> If it's anything like the one we bought, the side panels fit into shallow
> channels and water running down the panels will run off both inside and
> outside the shed.

Yes that's what the OP's photo looks like, although this one from the
yardmaster web site appears to show it the other way up (eg n rather than u)
? Perhaps that's the problem?

http://www.yardmaster.co.uk/images/Anchor.GIF

> See my earlier post for one way of tackling the problem (2x layers pond
> liner and 1 of OSB). The experts' recommendation would be to use 18mm OSB
> raised on 4x4 treated joists with a dpm between the joists and the OSB. I
> didn't follow their advice because of the limited headroom.

I think that would work (in that the floor would be dry) but I'd be nervous
about how long the joists would last as there will be water underneath the
floor. At least it would be easy to replace.

I'm just starting an oak boarded shed. The timber walls will be built off a
1 brick high plinth/wall sitting on the concrete slab. The external boarding
will be taken down over the outside of the brick plinth so no chance of
water getting in. At the doorway (where there won't be a brick plinth) the
weather bar on the door will extend over the edge of the concrete slab
although I'm thinking of installing a linear drain.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 3:09 pm
From: "OG"

"Cwatters" <colin.wattersNOSPAM@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
news:FoednWPX4vgBJZXUnZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>
> "OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:6mre5jFi8lvrU1@mid.individual.net...
> > If it's anything like the one we bought, the side panels fit into
> > shallow
>> channels and water running down the panels will run off both inside and
>> outside the shed.
>
> Yes that's what the OP's photo looks like, although this one from the
> yardmaster web site appears to show it the other way up (eg n rather than
> u) ? Perhaps that's the problem?
>
> http://www.yardmaster.co.uk/images/Anchor.GIF
>
>> See my earlier post for one way of tackling the problem (2x layers pond
>> liner and 1 of OSB). The experts' recommendation would be to use 18mm OSB
>> raised on 4x4 treated joists with a dpm between the joists and the OSB. I
>> didn't follow their advice because of the limited headroom.
>
> I think that would work (in that the floor would be dry) but I'd be
> nervous about how long the joists would last as there will be water
> underneath the floor. At least it would be easy to replace.

I'd assume you'd use tannalised timbers, and although they will sit in water
when it rains, that shouldn't be a problem as they will get a chance to dry
out a bit betweentimes

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TOPIC: Fiber Art Blog
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:52 am
From: Rick

Hello group,

Our Fiber Arts & Animals Festival website has started a blog
( www.FiberArtFest.com/faafBlog ) to talk about our thoughts and
concerns setting up our festival in Marshall, Michigan and to share
the story behind the event. As I become more proficient with writing
in the blog, I will post pictures of our festival and the critters
that attend.

We will continue to respond to inquires about fiber art on the
different groups we belong to as well.

Regards,

Rick Boesen
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

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Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:56 am
From: OldRoads

On Sep 23, 10:14 am, ra...@vt.edu wrote:
> Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> > This sounds good for folks hunting information onbicycles. Any one with
> > sources on values for horse drawn equipment? Or maybe sources for construction
> > plans for horse drawn equipment and harness? I have several horses and am
> > starting to train them for riding but would like to cross train for hauling.
>
> Unfortunately for you the people with the most knowledge and experience
> on the value of horse drawn equipment are Amish. They are unlikely to
> have a web site of any kind. There may be books, though. I'd check
> Amazon for those.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.

More info about the bikes you might find at a yard sale, flea market,
etc:
About a year ago we were contacted by ExpertVillage.com and asked to
do a series of videos about vintage bicycles.
Filming was done in March and they finished editing the videos in
June.

There are 16 videos in each series. All are on-line and free.
There are over 100 clips. It was a lot of work getting the
information together and then presenting it without notes. I ain't a
professional video dude as you will see, but there may be some useful
info in there.

The topics are:

Intro To Vintage Bicycles
Vintage Bicycle Styles
Vintage Balloon Tire Bicycles
Vintage Middleweight Bicycles
Vintage English 3-Speed Bicycles
Vintage Muscle Bicycles
Vintage Bicycle Appraisal Tips
Collecting Vintage Bicycles Accessories

You can get to the videos from here:

http://oldroads.com/whats_new.asp

Vin - Menotomy Vintage Bicycles
http://OldRoads.com

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TOPIC: Cork hard to come by on wine bottles?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 3:35 pm
From: Boothbay

What's with the wine industry...replacing cork tops with metal caps
and white ( ? )..I don't even know what the last one is made of. The
last one is so difficult to open and forget about putting it back onto
the bottle...its almost impossible. I even had to use a sharp razor to
try and taper one end so it could be inserted and it was hard to
carve. Finally, after thinking I succeeded, a few minutes later I
heard a 'pop' and sure enough the pressure in the bottle, popped the
stopper. Why can't they leave it as it was with the cork stopper? Its
even harder to see when purchased if it has such a stopper, cause its
covered with wax paper, that u can only take off after buying it.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 3:36 pm
From: Boothbay

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 4:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Boothbay <harri85274@aol.com> wrote:

> What's with the wine industry...replacing cork tops with metal caps
> and white ( ? )..I don't even know what the last one is made of.

Plastic.

They do that because cork is much more variable.

> The last one is so difficult to open and forget about putting it back
> onto the bottle...its almost impossible. I even had to use a sharp
> razor to try and taper one end so it could be inserted and it was
> hard to carve. Finally, after thinking I succeeded, a few minutes later
> I heard a 'pop' and sure enough the pressure in the bottle, popped
> the stopper. Why can't they leave it as it was with the cork stopper?
> Its even harder to see when purchased if it has such a stopper, cause
> its covered with wax paper, that u can only take off after buying it.

The world's moved on, just like it always does.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 4:47 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (PDT), Boothbay
<harri85274@aol.com> wrote:

>What's with the wine industry...replacing cork tops with metal caps
>and white ( ? )..I don't even know what the last one is made of. The
>last one is so difficult to open and forget about putting it back onto
>the bottle...its almost impossible. I even had to use a sharp razor to
>try and taper one end so it could be inserted and it was hard to
>carve. Finally, after thinking I succeeded, a few minutes later I
>heard a 'pop' and sure enough the pressure in the bottle, popped the
>stopper. Why can't they leave it as it was with the cork stopper? Its
>even harder to see when purchased if it has such a stopper, cause its
>covered with wax paper, that u can only take off after buying it.

Why not just save a cork next time you find one and use it to reseal
the next bottle with a plastic stopper?

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 5:05 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Boothbay" <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1c96fb2e-1259-4d23-9e37-eb90bc5bbcf0@p39g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> What's with the wine industry...replacing cork tops with metal caps
> and white ( ? )..I don't even know what the last one is made of. The
> last one is so difficult to open and forget about putting it back onto
> the bottle...its almost impossible. I even had to use a sharp razor to
> try and taper one end so it could be inserted and it was hard to
> carve. Finally, after thinking I succeeded, a few minutes later I
> heard a 'pop' and sure enough the pressure in the bottle, popped the
> stopper. Why can't they leave it as it was with the cork stopper? Its
> even harder to see when purchased if it has such a stopper, cause its
> covered with wax paper, that u can only take off after buying it.

http://www.baycrossings.com/archives/2003/08_September/cork_no_more.htm

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 29 2008 8:49 pm
From: "eforce.ws"

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