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TOPIC: Hussein Obama's First 10 Executive Orders
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/eef1f93b8617a8e7?hl=en
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:07 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net
In <gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/14/2008
at 05:40 PM, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
>In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>>>> nobama and pelosi have already met and plan to call a special
>>>> session immediately after the election in hopes of passing
>>>> legislation to spend almost $150 billion in extended benefits.
>>>
>>> You do realize that on the day after the election Barack Obama will
>>> still be a Senator, and not one in a position to call any special
>>> sessions, right?
>>
>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>> Did you even read the article?
>Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have already
>met and plan to call a special session immediately after the election".
Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
the right wing mess ASAP!
>-- wds
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:15 pm
From: Larry Sheldon
TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
> the right wing mess ASAP!
I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:15 pm
From: George Grapman
TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
> In <gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 05:40 PM, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
>
>
>
>> In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>
>>>>> nobama and pelosi have already met and plan to call a special
>>>>> session immediately after the election in hopes of passing
>>>>> legislation to spend almost $150 billion in extended benefits.
>>>> You do realize that on the day after the election Barack Obama will
>>>> still be a Senator, and not one in a position to call any special
>>>> sessions, right?
>>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>>> Did you even read the article?
>
>> Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have already
>> met and plan to call a special session immediately after the election".
>
>
> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
> the right wing mess ASAP!
But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
original poster claimed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -- wds
>
>
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:24 pm
From: clouddreamer
Larry Sheldon wrote:
> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>
>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>
> I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>
> I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
doing it...and we get better health care.
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:05 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <dD9Jk.1047$Rx2.566@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
<TruthTeller@nospam.net> wrote:
>In <gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 05:40 PM, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
>>In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
[ ... ]
>>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>>> Did you even read the article?
>>Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have already
>>met and plan to call a special session immediately after the election".
>Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>the right wing mess ASAP!
Perhaps that the prime architects of the mess were Democrats?
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:06 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net
In <Hi9jk.2548$Ei5.129@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, on 10/14/2008
at 04:15 PM, George Grapman <sfgeorge.@pacbell.net> said:
>TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>> In <gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/14/2008
>> at 05:40 PM, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>>
>>>>>> nobama and pelosi have already met and plan to call a special
>>>>>> session immediately after the election in hopes of passing
>>>>>> legislation to spend almost $150 billion in extended benefits.
>>>>> You do realize that on the day after the election Barack Obama will
>>>>> still be a Senator, and not one in a position to call any special
>>>>> sessions, right?
>>>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>>>> Did you even read the article?
>>
>>> Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have already
>>> met and plan to call a special session immediately after the election".
>>
>>
>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>> the right wing mess ASAP!
> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>original poster claimed.
That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
speaker -- who does have the authority.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -- wds
>>
>>
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:06 pm
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net
In <6lkngbFcqjsnU1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/14/2008
at 06:15 PM, Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> said:
>TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
Gee the right wign kooks have just handed you a 2 trillion dollar bill for
socializing banks, AIG, GM, etc., not to mention another 2 trillion for
iraq -- and you're worried about the people who want to stop the right
wing spending and nonsense?
You need to get your head straight son; e.g., the fuck ups are the people
you like.
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:34 pm
From: "HeyBub"
TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>
> Gee the right wign kooks have just handed you a 2 trillion dollar
> bill for socializing banks, AIG, GM, etc., not to mention another 2
> trillion for iraq -- and you're worried about the people who want to
> stop the right wing spending and nonsense?
>
> You need to get your head straight son; e.g., the fuck ups are the
> people you like.
Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush administration:
low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight quarters of economic
growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a mere twenty-one months they
fucked up the economy beyond all recognition.
It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with their
favorite projects.
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:36 pm
From: "HeyBub"
TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>
>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>> original poster claimed.
>
>
> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>
Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives, not
the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic control, they
can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming post offices and
issuing declarations proclaiming something or other about groundhogs.
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 7:36 pm
From: jdoe
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
<Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>doing it...and we get better health care.
>
> ..
is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of
you canucks come to the US for their health care?
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:20 pm
From: George Grapman
HeyBub wrote:
> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>> Gee the right wign kooks have just handed you a 2 trillion dollar
>> bill for socializing banks, AIG, GM, etc., not to mention another 2
>> trillion for iraq -- and you're worried about the people who want to
>> stop the right wing spending and nonsense?
>>
>> You need to get your head straight son; e.g., the fuck ups are the
>> people you like.
>
> Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush administration:
> low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight quarters of economic
> growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the wars in Iraq and
> Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a mere twenty-one months they
> fucked up the economy beyond all recognition.
Tell us the last time the monthly number of jobs created exceeded the
weekly number of new jobless claims.
Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real wages.
Tell us in 2003 Bush said we found the WMDs that Cheney in 2006
admitted never existed. Then tell us why we invaded Iraq.
>
> It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with their
> favorite projects.
>
>
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:21 pm
From: George Grapman
jdoe wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
> <Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>> doing it...and we get better health care.
>>
>> ..
> is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of
> you canucks come to the US for their health care?
Urban legend, but why do so many Americans go to Canada for their
prescriptions?
> __________________________________________
> Never argue with an idiot.
> They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:50 pm
From: "Long Ranger"
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge.@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:ildJk.3593$ZP4.1022@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> jdoe wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
>> <Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>>> doing it...and we get better health care.
>>>
>>> ..
>> is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of
>> you canucks come to the US for their health care?
>
> Urban legend, but why do so many Americans go to Canada for their
> prescriptions?
>> __________________________________________
>> Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat
>> you with experience.
And you have......
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:54 pm
From: jdoe
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:21:52 -0700, George Grapman
<sfgeorge.@pacbell.net> wrote:
>jdoe wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
>> <Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>>> doing it...and we get better health care.
>>>
>>> ..
>> is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of
>> you canucks come to the US for their health care?
>
> Urban legend, but why do so many Americans go to Canada for their
>prescriptions?
it's an urban legend that many canucks come to the US for health care
despite it's costs because of the rationing of care in canuckistan?
You are either a blind ideologue or just a plain fool, because that is
exactly what happens. Heath tourism is a huge industry, try googling
the term, and your non sequitur about prescriptions is easily
answered, but you're really not worth the effort
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 10:01 pm
From: "ChairMan"
In news:nQIIk.638$Rx2.628@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,
TruthTeller@nospam.net <TruthTeller@nospam.net>spewed forth:
> In <7jl6f4ldenr79pkva926m7fv4tlva508p3@4ax.com>, on 10/13/2008
> at 10:10 AM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:
>
>
>
>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:14:42 GMT, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net>
>> wrote:
>
>>> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:18:13 -0400, TheTruth <no404@bellsouth.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hussein Obama s First 10 Executive Orders
>>>>>
>>>>> Quotes from BarrackObama.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama enacts stronger federal hate crimes legislation to
>>>>> reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal
>>>>> Section.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama creates a fund to help people refinance their mortgages
>>>>> and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama, following through on his pledge to meet with the
>>>>> leaders of
>>>>> all nations, friend and foe, signs a non-agression pact with the
>>>>> Hitler
>>>>> of Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama doubles foreign aid to $50 billion to cut poverty around
>>>>> the
>>>>> world in half by 2015.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama removes our troops from Iraq, leaving a power vacuum
>>>>> filled by Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama enacts socialized medicine, destroying small businesses
>>>>> with
>>>>> taxes to pay for illegal alien healthcare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama enacts amnesty for illegal aliens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama enacts legislation demanding carbon friendly cars,
>>>>> hammering the final nail in the coffin of the US car industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barack Obama enact laws to reinforce affirmative action by
>>>>> funneling money to women and minority-owned businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama repeals the Bush tax cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama enacts the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to entrench
>>>>> the
>>>>> power of the homosexual lobby.
>>>>
>>>> Whaaaaaaaata jigaboo!
>>>>
>>>> ted
>>> There are maybe 2 things on that list POTUS has any control over.
>>> The rest are controlled by Congress.
>> barrack hussein obama and a compliant congress, one that is leftist
>> controlled, will almost certainly be able to do irreparable damage
>
>
> Considering that you right wingers have crashed the stock market and
> erased 80 years of progress for the people, anyone can do better.
>
> That son, is why Obama is going to be Mr. President. Deal with it.
>
>
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform
Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE
regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers
will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the
economy as a whole."
-- Sen. John McCain (R) 5/25/2006
"I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis"
-- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and
soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial
losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are
fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster
scenarios.
-- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
Secretary Martinez, if it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have the
GSEs ever missed their housing goals?
-- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/10/2003
"Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at
Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines. Everything
in the 1992 act has worked just fine. In fact, the GSEs have exceeded their
housing goals. What we need to do today is to focus on the regulator, and
this must be done in a manner so as not to impede their affordable housing
mission, a mission that has seen innovation flourish from desktop
underwriting to 100 percent loans."
-- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
I have sat through nearly a dozen hearings where, frankly, we were trying to
fix something that wasn't broke.
-- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
"I think it is clear that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are sufficiently secure
so they are in no great danger... I don't think we face a crisis; I don't
think that we have an impending disaster. ...Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do
very good work, and they are not endangering the fiscal health of this
country."
-- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/25/2003
"I=3Fm just pissed off at OFHEO [Office of Federal Housing Enterprise
Oversight], because if it wasn=3Ft for you, I don=3Ft think we=3Fd be here
in the
first place. =3F There=3Fs been nothing that indicated that=3Fs wrong with
Fannie
Mae, Freddie Mac has come up on its own =3F The question that then comes up
is
the competence that your agency has with reference to deciding and
regulating these GSEs."
-- Rep. Gregory Meeks (D) 9/25/2003
=3FCongressman, OFHEO did not improperly apply accounting rules; Freddie Mac
did. OFHEO did not try to manage earnings improperly; Freddie Mac did. So
this isn't about the agency's engagement in improper conduct, it is about
Freddie Mac.=3F
-- OFHEO Director Armando Falcon Jr. 9/25/2003
And my worry is that we're using the recent safety and soundness concerns,
particularly with Freddie, and with a poor regulator, as a straw man to
curtail Fannie and Freddie's mission. And I don't think there is any doubt
that there are some in the administration who don't believe in Fannie and
Freddie altogether, say let the private sector do it.
-- Sen. Charles Schumer (D) 10/16/2003
"The Capital Markets Subcommittee meets today for the purpose of receipt of
a report from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight. It is
indeed a very troubling report. But it is a report of extraordinary
importance, to those who wish to own a home, as well as the taxpayers of
this country who would pay the cost of cleanup."
-- Rep. Richard Baker (R) 10/6/2004
"I don=3Ft see anything in this report that raises safety and soundness
problems."
-- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 10/6/2004
"And you have about 3% of your portfolio set aside. If a bank gets below
4%, they are in deep trouble. So I just want you to explain to me why I
should be satisfied with 3%?"
-- Rep. Christopher Shays (R) 10/6/2004
"Because banks don't -- there aren't any banks who only have multifamily and
single-family loans. These assets are so riskless that their capital for
holding them should be under 2%."
-- Franklin Raines (D) 10/6/2004
"This hearing is about the political lynching of Franklin Raines."
-- Rep. Lacy Clay (D) 10/6/2004 (Clay, a black man, is implying that the
actual purpose of these reform hearings are to lynch another black man,
Raines)
"Congress needs to get them [Fannie and Freddie] reformed, get them
streamlined, get them focused"
-- Pres. George W. Bush (R) 8/9/2007
"Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to
modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families
stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus
on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free
bonds to refinance sub-prime loans."
-- Pres. George W. Bush (R) 5/2008
"We need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."
-- Pres. George W. Bush (R) 6/2008
"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in
resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was
president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac."
-- Pres. Bill Clinton (D) 9/24/2008
Bill Clinton has just done a better job blaming the democrats for this than
John McCain has done! By the way, in 3 years Barack Obama managed to become
the number 2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money, beaten only slightly by
Chris Dodd who had a 30 year head start. One of the reasons was Obama was
majorly involved in pushing subprime loans (suing banks for not making
loans, etc.) with ACORN during his community organizer days. Amazingly one
of the prime arsonists and biggest money recipient is succeeding in blaming
John McCain for the fire, is taking credit for helping to put out the fire,
and is being allowed to get away with it.
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 10:01 pm
From: "ChairMan"
In news:gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com,
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com>spewed forth:
> In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>
>>>> nobama and pelosi have already met and plan to call a special
>>>> session immediately after the election in hopes of passing
>>>> legislation to spend almost $150 billion in extended benefits.
>>>
>>> You do realize that on the day after the election Barack Obama will
>>> still be a Senator, and not one in a position to call any special
>>> sessions, right?
>>
>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>> Did you even read the article?
>
> Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have
> already met and plan to call a special session immediately after the
> election".
>
> -- wds
I wrote it, they said it
http://www.wral.com/news/political/story/3719193
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TOPIC: Would you buy this car?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a2eb58b3f859bd39?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:11 pm
From: James
The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
$5,560).
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 4:27 pm
From: rst0wxyz
On Oct 14, 4:11 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> $5,560).
>
> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/co...
Never trust China with your life.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 5:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).
> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm
Dont believe the price claim, and some of the other claims are meaningless gobbledegook,
like the car can absorb 95 percent of the solar energy it takes in' whatever thats supposed
to mean. It cant be absorbing anyting like that percentage of what falls on the car, since
the solar collector is only a small part of the area of the car.
It isnt even clear if it will even get enough of a charge while
at work to get you home and back to work again next day etc.
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TOPIC: KFC 9.99 bucket
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 5:13 pm
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com
On Oct 14, 12:36 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
> thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
> chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
> the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
> coating on the chicken.
"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
6045e512-74da-
>Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
>thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
>chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
>the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
>coating on the chicken.
Agreed. We took the "$9.99 challenge" last weekend. We don't do grains
or
high-carb veggies, so there were some replacements. We ended up with
more
food for less money. We bought a whole chicken (4lbs) for $3.75 and
cooked
it in our toaster/rotisserie with some kosher salt, spices, and butter
for
$.25. We made some slaw from shredding fresh broccoli and cabbage and
added
chopped walnuts and some homemade dressing for $2. We made mashed
cauliflower with a cheese sauce for $2. That's dinner for four for $8.
We
also added homegrown apples free off the tree, but that's cheating.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:26 pm
From: JonL
James wrote:
> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
How many pounds is that bucket?? Buy one, weigh it, inventory the
specific parts, then report back.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:36 pm
From: JonL
clams_casino wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
>
>> On Oct 9, 2:47 am, larry <f...@foobar.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> James wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>
>>> Healthwise, you would do much better to bake or roast your
>>> chicken for better flavor, reduced fat and carbs.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the question being asked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> We pay a high price for our highly processed food in the
>>> name of saving time and a few cents.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, we know.
>>
>> Some of us also like KFC every now and then and do not need preached
>> to everytime a question about fast food is brought up.
>>
>> Would you like to be told about veganism or the cruelty of poultry
>> processing plants every time you mention roasting chicken? How buying
>> chicken supports illegal aliens working in the plants? Probably not.
>>
>>
> KFC quality is so erratic, it's a rarity that I'd consider them. For a
> while, Popeyes was a preferred source, but their quality seems to have
> slipped in recent years.
Think they've all slipped, even the grocery store chicken. I heard Tyson
has (or soon will have) a plant in China. Probably wouldn't want to see
what they're being fed over there, or which growth enhancers they're using.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:45 pm
From: JonL
Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>
> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
> buy for the 11 secret spices.
My unnamed source, at Penn State...or did he say State Penn...??
claims this is it:
Colonel Sanders' Secret Herbs and Spices
1 tablespoon rosemary
1 tablespoon oregano leaves
1 tablespoon powdered sage
1 tablespoon powdered ginger
1 teaspoon marjoram
1 1/2 teaspoons thyme
3 tablespoons dry minced parsley
1 teaspoon pepper
1 tablespoon paprika
2 tablespoons garlic salt
2 tablespoons onion salt
3 tablespoons brown sugar, packed
2 tablespoons powdered chicken bouillon
1 package Lipton Tomato Cup-a-Soup mix
Place all ingredients in blender with on/off speed for 3 to 4 minutes to
pulverize, or rub through a fine strainer. Store in an airtight
container so it will not lose potency.
Makes about 3/4 cup.
To use with flour, add 1 ounce mix to 1 cup of flour for coating chicken.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 8:53 pm
From: JonL
Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:11 pm, SoCalMike <mikein562athotm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>> whats a bucket consist of? one whole bird? .69 - .99/lb, figure about
>> 3lb a bird.
>
> Actually you only get 7 pieces (1 piece of breast, 2 wings, 2 legs, 2
> thighs), mashed potatoes/gravy and 4 biscuits. So not quite a full
> chicken there. Based on those ingredients it'd be very easy to make
> the equivalent for under $9.99 and probably healthier by forgoing the
> coating on the chicken.
OIC....thanx.
Hard to believe....only 5 pieces , plus 2 scrawny wings.....
Rather get the whole cooked bird, about 3#, at the Kroger or Publix.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 5:22 pm
From: whudson1903@gmail.com
On Oct 14, 12:43 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> Under Secretary for Management
> Bureau of Diplomatic Security
> Investigating Passport and Visa Fraud
> How Passport and Visa Fraud Relate to Identity Fraud
>
> How Passport and Visa Fraud Relate to Identity Fraud
>
> Testimony of Robert W. Starnes, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Houston
> Field Office, Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Before the Texas State
> Senate, Infrastructure Development and Security Subcommittee; Houston,
> Texas, March 31, 2003
>
> Chairman Ogden and Senators:
>
> Thank you for inviting us here today to provide testimony related to
> Texas Senate Bill 944.
>
> My name is Robert Starnes. I serve as the Special Agent-in-Charge of
> the U.S. Department of State, Diplomatic Security Service, Houston
> Field Office. I have been employed with the Diplomatic Security
> Service for the past 16 years. Prior to joining the Diplomatic
> Security Service, I was employed as a Texas Highway Patrolman. With me
> is Jay Smith, a Supervisory Special Agent-in-Charge of our Major
> Crimes and Protective Liaison Unit.
>
> The Diplomatic Security Service is the law enforcement and security
> arm of the U.S. Department of State. Diplomatic Security Service
> agents are posted in over 160 countries worldwide, in our headquarters
> in Washington, DC, and in eight field offices throughout the United
> States. An important function allotted to Diplomatic Security Service
> by the United States Congress is the investigation into allegations of
> passport and visa fraud.
>
> The United States passport is one of the most important identity
> documents in our country. For most U.S. citizens, it will be the only
> document they ever hold that states unequivocally that they are in
> fact citizens of the United States. Upon the issuance of a passport,
> the United States State Department in effect certifies the passport
> holder to be a United States citizen. U.S. passports are legally
> recognized as proof of both a person's identity and citizenship. In
> fact, 22 U.S.C. 2705 provides that a valid maximum validity U.S.
> passport is proof of citizenship during its period of validity and has
> the "same force and effect as proof of U.S. citizenship as
> certificates of naturalization or of citizenship issued by the
> Attorney General or by a court having naturalization jurisdiction."
> Consistent with this statute, at least one federal court has
> recognized that a fully valid U.S. passport issued to an individual as
> a citizen of the United States is not subject to collateral attack in
> administrative immigration proceedings but constitutes conclusive
> proof of such person's U.S.citizenship.
>
> Aside from offering proof of citizenship and identity as interpreted
> by U.S. courts, U.S. passports allow citizens free passage into our
> country with much less scrutiny than is given to foreign citizens.
> U.S. passports also allow our citizens visa-free passage into many
> countries around the world. These benefits obviously make our
> passports extremely valuable to criminals who operate on an
> international scale.
>
> Passport fraud is rarely a crime unto itself. Obtaining a U.S.
> passport fraudulently is almost always a crime intended to facilitate
> other crimes. Those other crimes will generally fall into one or more
> of the following categories:
>
> 1) Illegal immigration contraband smuggling (i.e., narcotics,
> weapons, illegal aliens, etc.)
> 2) Flight from justice
> 3) Economic crimes (i.e., bank fraud, insurance fraud, credit
> card fraud, confidence scams, etc.)
> 4) Hostile intelligence
> 5) International terrorism
>
> A common nexus that exists with foreign terrorists who have conducted
> operations within the United States has been the use of fraudulent
> identity documents, including state driver's licenses and
> identification cards.
>
> To acquire a U.S. passport for the first time, the applicant must
> provide evidence of citizenship, such as a certificate of birth in the
> United States or a naturalization certificate. The applicant must also
> submit proof of their identity--in other words, they must show that
> the birth certificate pertains to them. Such additional documentation
> of identity might be a valid government-issued identification document
> (i.e., state driver's license, state identification cards, military
> identification, etc.) that includes a photograph and/or physical
> description of the holder. A nongovernment identity is accepted in
> some instances, (i.e., known companies, school identification, etc.).
> The most common form of identity evidence presented with a passport
> application is a state-issued driver's license or identity card. Those
> attempting to obtain original U.S. passports fraudulently must
> generally first acquire one or more of these documents.
>
> The three most common schemes exposed by our investigations regarding
> attempts to secure original passports through fraudulent means are: 1)
> stolen identity; 2) counterfeit identity; or 3) true identity using
> counterfeited citizenship document. Regarding the third category,
> often during the course of our investigations, it has been discovered
> that aliens first acquire a legitimate state driver's license or
> identification card using their authentic foreign-issued proof of
> foreign citizenship documents. And then they obtain a stolen blank
> birth document, or doctor an existing form to match the identity. It
> is also common that a birth certificate used for an assumed identity
> will be provided as basis for issuance of a driver's license.
>
> Most nonimmigrants entering the United States must first apply for and
> receive a U.S. visa. Once issued, a U.S. visa allows the nonimmigrant
> to apply for entry to the United States under certain statuses (i.e.,
> visitor, student, work, etc.). Department of Homeland Security
> officials at ports of entry determine how long the nonimmigrant is
> permitted to stay in the United States. Those nonimmigrants who obtain
> visas through fraudulent pretense, in many instances, have no intent
> of returning to their own country. Once in the United States, in an
> effort to meld into our society, these individuals almost always try
> to obtain certain documents. In our experience, a state driver's
> license or identification card is one of the first documents these
> people attempt to secure. Once issued, these drivers' license and/or
> identification cards are used to open bank accounts, secure credit
> cards, obtain social security cards, acquire employment, secure
> residences, etc.
>
> In conclusion, whether acquiring their visas legitimately or through
> fraudulent means, most criminal aliens, to include terrorists, must
> assimilate themselves into our society in order to be successful in
> their unlawful endeavors. Most of these criminal aliens will overstay
> the time allotted on their visas. Since driver's licenses and state
> identification cards are an important part of everyday life in
> America, it is clear that measures that have the effect of curbing
> their use to further criminal schemes deserves serious consideration.
>
> Thank you. Under Secretary for Management
> Bureau of Diplomatic Security
> Investigating Passport and Visa Fraud
> How Passport and Visa Fraud Relate to Identity Fraud
>
> How Passport and Visa Fraud Relate to Identity Fraud
>
> Testimony of Robert W. Starnes, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Houston
> Field Office, Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Before the Texas State
> Senate, Infrastructure Development and Security Subcommittee; Houston,
> Texas, March 31, 2003
>
> Chairman Ogden and Senators:
>
> Thank you for inviting us here today to provide testimony related to
> Texas Senate Bill 944.
>
> My name is Robert Starnes. I serve as the Special Agent-in-Charge of
> the U.S. Department of State, Diplomatic Security Service, Houston
> Field Office. I have been employed with the Diplomatic Security
> Service for the past 16 years. Prior to joining the Diplomatic
> Security Service, I was employed as a Texas Highway Patrolman. With me
> is Jay Smith, a Supervisory Special Agent-in-Charge of our Major
> Crimes and Protective Liaison Unit.
>
> The Diplomatic Security Service is the law enforcement and security
> arm of the U.S. Department of State. Diplomatic Security Service
> agents are posted in over 160 countries worldwide, in our headquarters
> in Washington, DC, and in eight field offices throughout the United
> States. An important function allotted to Diplomatic Security Service
> by the United States Congress is the investigation into allegations of
> passport and visa fraud.
>
> The United States passport is one of the most important identity
> documents in our country. For most U.S. citizens, it will be the only
> document they ever hold that states unequivocally that they are in
> fact citizens of the United States. Upon the issuance of a passport,
> the United States State Department in effect certifies the passport
> holder to be a United States citizen. U.S. passports are legally
> recognized as proof of both a person's identity and citizenship. In
> fact, 22 U.S.C. 2705 provides that a valid maximum validity U.S.
> passport is proof of citizenship during its period of validity and has
> the "same force and effect as proof of U.S. citizenship as
> certificates of naturalization or of citizenship issued by the
> Attorney General or by a court having naturalization jurisdiction."
> Consistent with this statute, at least one federal court has
> recognized that a fully valid U.S. passport issued to an individual as
> a citizen of the United States is not subject to collateral attack in
> administrative immigration proceedings but constitutes conclusive
> proof of such person's U.S.citizenship.
>
> Aside from offering proof of citizenship and identity as interpreted
> by U.S. courts, U.S. passports allow citizens free passage into our
> country with much less scrutiny than is given to foreign citizens.
> U.S. passports also allow our citizens visa-free passage into many
> countries around the world. These benefits obviously make our
> passports extremely valuable to criminals who operate on an
> international scale.
>
> Passport fraud is rarely a crime unto itself. Obtaining a U.S.
> passport fraudulently is almost always a crime intended to facilitate
> other crimes. Those other crimes will generally fall into one or more
> of the following categories:
>
> 1) Illegal immigration contraband smuggling (i.e., narcotics,
> weapons, illegal aliens, etc.)
> 2) Flight from justice
> 3) Economic crimes (i.e., bank fraud, insurance fraud, credit
> card fraud, confidence scams, etc.)
> 4) Hostile intelligence
> 5) International terrorism
>
> A common nexus that exists with foreign terrorists who have conducted
> operations within the United States has been the use of fraudulent
> identity documents, including state driver's licenses and
> identification cards.
>
> To acquire a U.S. passport for the first time, the applicant must
> provide evidence of citizenship, such as a certificate of birth in the
> United States or a naturalization certificate. The applicant must also
> submit proof of their identity--in other words, they must show that
> the birth certificate pertains to them. Such additional documentation
> of identity might be a valid government-issued identification document
> (i.e., state driver's license, state identification cards, military
> identification, etc.) that includes a photograph and/or physical
> description of the holder. A nongovernment identity is accepted in
> some instances, (i.e., known companies, school identification, etc.).
> The most common form of identity evidence presented with a passport
> application is a state-issued driver's license or identity card. Those
> attempting to obtain original U.S. passports fraudulently must
> generally first acquire one or more of these documents.
>
> The three most common schemes exposed by our investigations regarding
> attempts to secure original passports through fraudulent means are: 1)
> stolen identity; 2) counterfeit identity; or 3) true identity using
> counterfeited citizenship document. Regarding the third category,
> often during the course of our investigations, it has been discovered
> that aliens first acquire a legitimate state driver's license or
> identification card using their authentic foreign-issued proof of
> foreign citizenship documents. And then they obtain a stolen blank
> birth document, or doctor an existing form to match the identity. It
> is also common that a birth certificate used for an assumed identity
> will be provided as basis for issuance of a driver's license.
>
> Most nonimmigrants entering the United States must first apply for and
> receive a U.S. visa. Once issued, a U.S. visa allows the nonimmigrant
> to apply for entry to the United States under certain statuses (i.e.,
> visitor, student, work, etc.). Department of Homeland Security
> officials at ports of entry determine how long the nonimmigrant is
> permitted to stay in the United States. Those nonimmigrants who obtain
> visas through fraudulent pretense, in many instances, have no intent
> of returning to their own country. Once in the United States, in an
> effort to meld into our society, these individuals almost always try
> to obtain certain documents. In our experience, a state driver's
> license or identification card is one of the first documents these
> people attempt to secure. Once issued, these drivers' license and/or
> identification cards are used to open bank accounts, secure credit
> cards, obtain social security cards, acquire employment, secure
> residences, etc.
>
> In conclusion, whether acquiring their visas legitimately or through
> fraudulent means, most criminal aliens, to include terrorists, must
> assimilate themselves into our society in order to be successful in
> their unlawful endeavors. Most of these criminal aliens will overstay
> the time allotted on their visas. Since driver's licenses and state
> identification cards are an important part of everyday life in
> America, it is clear that measures that have the effect of curbing
> their use to further criminal schemes deserves serious consideration.
>
> Thank you.
>
> http://www.state.gov/m/ds/investigat/c10680.htm
How long will America tolerate the presence of these stinking illegal
aliens?
Walt
http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 9:54 pm
From: UCLAN
Tim Forcer wrote:
> I'll carry on using the Hybrios, if only because they do seem to hold
> part-charge better than standard NiMH, but I won't buy any more.
Try one of the dozen or so alternative brands. I've has GREAT success
with the Kodak LSD cells and the Sanyo Eneloop LSD cells.
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