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* Sound Insulate my computer? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Furnace - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Cork hard to come by on wine bottles? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Do It Yourself Doctoring – Wish List - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Maximizing Welfare - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Discount buy red monkey jeans and evisu jeans - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Discount buy Coogi Mens Jeans, Coogi Mens Outerwear, Coogi Mens Shoes and
Coogi Mens Shorts - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Sound Insulate my computer?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 9:39 pm
From: "Dave"
<MarkPHd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:292f05b0-d693-4208-9854-d5985d83c885@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> hi all,
>
> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>
> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
> any ideas?
>
> thanks
> mark
The problem with sound insulating the computer, is that the insulation will
hold in heat.
If you are trying to quiet a computer, the solution is counter-intuitive.
You have to open it up as much as possible (reduce resistance to airflow),
and add more fans (yup, I said more fans... but I didn't say more NOISY
fans).
Unless you are willing to replace the whole case, the computer is already
opened up as much as possible.
So let's look at the fans. Keep in mind that ONE noisy fan can easily be
more noisy (higher volume level) than SEVERAL quiet fans, combined. If the
case fans you are using came with the case, they ARE the NOISY kind.
So get some quiet ones. Case fans are typically 80mm or 120mm, and I
recommend Antec tricool fans to replace the noisy ones. Antec Tricool are
not particularly "quiet", but they are adjustable...and at medium setting,
hard to hear. Three tricools together will be much quieter than ONE of your
current fans.
I'm afraid replacing the case fans is the best you can do, if you want an
inexpensive solution. Keep in mind that if you replace the case fans, you
might still have a noisy (fan noise) system due to high-reving (LOUD) fans
on the Northbridge, GPU, CPU and power supply.
Too late now, but if you ever rebuild that system, look for:
1) PASSIVE cooling on the mainboard chipset (no fan on motherboard)
2) PASSIVE cooling on the video card (they do make them without fans, even
gaming video cards!)
3) A quiet power supply. Try a Seasonic brand or an Antec Earthwatts
series (Antec Earthwatts is made by Seasonic or Delta...both are quiet)
4) Look for a case with good airflow (read reviews), and equip it with 2 or
3 quiet case fans (under 28 dBA maximum, read the specs.)
5) Boxed retail coolers are OK for the CPU (noisewise) but try to get a
motherboard that can control the CPU fan speed based on CPU temp. (the CPU
fan will run slow/quiet unless it really needs to speed up) -Dave
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 9:10 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <8a4aa947-5154-4b41-9e1c-e2daa651fa03@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 1, 4:21 pm, MarkPH...@gmail.com wrote:
>> hi all,
>> i'm looking for creative ways to sound insulate
>> a noisy computer, that sits under my desk
>> [the thing has 3 fans going!]
>> any ideas?
>Now that you mention it and I concentrate on it, I can hear mine too.
[ ... ]
Go into your BIOS setup and look for fan control options. If your fans
are four-wire devices, the motherboard can control their speed based
upon temperature. This can make a huge difference in noise.
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?
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TOPIC: Furnace
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 9:35 pm
From: phil scott
On Oct 31, 9:32 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have a forced air natural gas furnace.
>
> Is it a good idea to use a leaf blower to clean the furnace? It might
> be easier to blow out the dust and then vaccuum the room instead of
> trying to vaccuum the furnace.
>
> Should I crake the window in the furnace room? That way the furnace
> will draw air directly from the outside instead of air leaking in all
> over the house to feed the furnace. The furnace room is right under
> the bedroom so cold air directly into it might make the bedroom less
> toasty.
Ive been in the business for over 45 years..the first 15 on the
smaller systems as you have... your furnance doesnt need cleaning as a
rule..look into the fire box when its running at the burners...if they
are all rounded blue flame tips its fine, if there is debris on top of
the burners you do need to clean them... a leaf blower will make
things worse. You need to call a furnace repairman or learn to
remove the burner assembly safely, clean then re istall and leak check
the gas line connections.
If your furnace is over 15 years old it may have a cracked heat
exchanger, that will put deadly carbon monoxide into the house and
ruin your health... its also probably not very efficient. if you are
going to run it regardless get a CO detector and install it.
Give fuel prices these days, replacing an older furnace with a 85 to
92% efficient one is a very smart move.. but not 98% efficient, those
are very complex...service bills can be very high. (I recommend the
Rheem brand since it was sold to Japanese company)... shop for best
installed price.
Phil scott
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 9:37 pm
From: phil scott
On Oct 31, 1:42 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 11:32 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a forced air natural gas furnace.
>
> > Is it a good idea to use a leaf blower to clean the furnace? It might
> > be easier to blow out the dust and then vaccuum the room instead of
> > trying to vaccuum the furnace.
>
> > Should I crake the window in the furnace room? That way the furnace
> > will draw air directly from the outside instead of air leaking in all
> > over the house to feed the furnace. The furnace room is right under
> > the bedroom so cold air directly into it might make the bedroom less
> > toasty.
>
> All the duct cleaning must be done with suction and recovery.
> Otherwise, you will spread mold and dust around the home in places you
> can never reach with the vacuum. So much for that idea.
>
> The house should remain in a neutral air pressure situation when the
> furnace is turned on. Many homes have negative pressure and then you
> are sucking cold air into every room through leaks in the wall. There
> are products that equalize the pressure and allow the furnace to draw
> cold air from outside for the burn process and close afterwards to
> prevent drafts into the furnace. One brand name that comes to mind is
> Skuttle and another is Equilize-air. (Spelling is a guess.) These
> units are cheap and easy to install. They pay for themselves in energy
> saved, comfort, and cleaner air because the furnace is not starved.
thats very good advice.
Phil scott
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TOPIC: Cork hard to come by on wine bottles?
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Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 9:54 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov
websurf1@cox.net wrote:
>On Nov 1, 9:01 am, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:43:45 -0700 (PDT), websu...@cox.net wrote:
>> >On Oct 31, 10:56 am, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Jeez, you're making this way more complicated than it is. Maybe you
>> >> just needed to whine.
>>
>> >I think so as well
>> >We bought a kit with a couple rubber stopper type things, which work
>> >just fine.
>> >If we want to bother, we can also pump the air out of the bottle to
>> >protect the wine if we want to save it that long.
>> >It usually isn't necessary <g>
>>
>> I bought one of those stoppers with the pump to remove the air from
>> the bottle. I didn't notice much difference. Maybe I'm overly
>> sensitive, but I taste a noticable change in wine after a day or so
>> from the initial opening, no matter how I reseal the bottle.
>>
>> The last time I made a batch of wine, I put about half of it in 375 ml
>> bottles. That seems like a convenient size for a couple glasses with
>> dinner and no leftovers.
>>
>> Too bad you can't find the better wines in boxes. The air-tight
>> collapsible bag inside and the tap seem to keep the wine fresh for
>> quite a while.
For once Rod Speed might be useful! My memory may be faulty but IIRC
back around the early seventies the Australians used to put lots of
wine in the collapsible bag type boxes including some reasonably
expensive (and I suppose good) vineyards and years. IIRC the boxes
held not 4 or 5 liters but 1.5 or 2. This was way before the US woke
up to this form of delivery. All that was available here was plonk in
glass jugs. If you called them "flagons" as I made the mistake of
doing you got this uncomprehending look somewhat like you got when you
called a store selling fruit and vegetables "a greengrocer" as you
would in the UK and the rest of the English speaking world.
As to current developments, Hogue, who make upscale wines (primarily
riesling and gewurtztraminer; their late-vintage Johanisberg riesling
and their chenin blanc are outstanding IMO) sell their wine in bottles
with screw tops and a plastic washer. They have a little card attached
to the bottles explaining that their research shows that the screw top
and plastic washer are far better than anything else including corks
both in preventing product deterioration prior to opening and in
preserving the opened bottle.
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TOPIC: Do It Yourself Doctoring – Wish List
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 10:47 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov
tgideas@athenet.net wrote:
>Most, if not all, of us diagnose and treat ourselves, as evidenced by
>the huge Over-The-Counter Drug market. Yet, how efficient are we at
>this process? I know I'm not. If I had better tools and knowledge, I
>think I could diagnose and treat my own health conditions better.
>
>Here's my Wish-List. How about you? What would you like to see
>happen in self-diagnosis and treatment?
>
>1. A free computer-based one-stop Medical Advisor that would check
>more than just symptoms. I'd like to see Symptom Checkers have the
>capability for the user to input Vital Signs, Diagnostic Test Results,
>and Health History. Based on these inputs, the computer would give
>the user most probable Diagnoses. The user then picks a diagnosis.
>The computer would then give a personalized printed "prescription" for
>Over-The-Counter Medicines, Exercise, Diet, Treatments, etc. that
>might help the user's condition. Think of this as a "Super Symptom
>Checker". Examples of existing Symptom Checkers are WebMD, Medical
>Symptoms Database , Online Medical Symptom Checker , MSO Online
>Medical Symptom Checker , or Diagnosaurus, etc.
>
>2. More home health tests and tools available openly on pharmacy
>shelves. Examples – Home General Health Diagnostic Tests,
>Stethoscopes, etc.
>
>3. Self-Service Health Kiosks in pharmacies that would include a
>computer-based Medical Advisor, basic medical testing capabilities,
>and where the user could provide health history on a removable memory
>card.
>
>4. Health care professionals make free pre-recorded training sessions
>on how to diagnose and treat ourselves for common sicknesses.
>
>For more information and diagram, please go to http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dswxq4k_19pz6xwk7x
I also applaud your naivete. No really it's a good idea but incredibly
naive. The medical industry, when you include MD's, hospitals,
academics, pharmaceutical companies, device mfgs, pharmacies,
insurance companies and all the people who work therein, is huge and
has an overwhelming interest in keeping your ideas at bay. And they
have the money and the hooks to influence (usually dictate to) all the
state and federal governments and have not been shy in using their
power. They even have the people who would benefit enormously from
your DIY doctoring attacking the suggestion, very often on the basis
of a misplaced concern for the public screwing up. I bet the bespoke
butchers used the same arguments when supermarkets appeared. The
housewives soon got over their fear of deciding what cut to buy and
how to cook it when they saw the price reduction.
As to "can't do the testing and can't write a prescription" we now
have this wonderful invention known as the internet. Except for
schedule 2 and 3 controlled substances (mainly addictive drugs) almost
all the rest are available without a prescription from your favorite
Indian pharmacy and at a much lower cost too. I haven't checked on CBC
or similar but anything that is testable from saliva or urine is also
available over the internet, legally in most states too.
However there's another little problem. The criteria for any disease
is not cast-in-stone, in fact there's lots of disagreement on test
interpretation. What usually happens is that the MD guesses what's
most likely (he'll say this is experience) and then picks a medication
based on the sexiness of the last medical visitor selling something in
the field. It might or might not work but if it doesn't he'll then try
some other medication or try his next-in-line diagnosis. You might get
cured or it might spontaneously resolve itself (you could die too) but
either way he gets the credit. Depending on your level of cynicism,
you will then become an apologist for the medical industry telling any
critic that Doctor X is well worth a 75-foot yacht. It's like the
nauseating picture of people slobbering over Warren Buffert in the
current economic crisis.
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TOPIC: Maximizing Welfare
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Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 10:10 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <43797093-6520-445f-b68f-
ff37578b675b@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, bm3719@gmail.com
says...
> On Oct 28, 9:44 am, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> > > What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> > > Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> > > is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> > > or any red tape they put you through to get it.
> >
> > > Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> > > benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
> >
> > > Thanks for any info.
> > It sounds like you may be singing the loser's anthem before the game
> > even starts. Perhaps more facts would allow people to offer more
> > helpful ideas. Are you disabled, lazy, alien or whatever? Each
> > situation could point to different answers. Of course, we know you are
> > asking for a friend.
> No, not disabled. I'm just seeing what my options are, and how viable
> an option going on welfare is as opposed to working.
>
> There's a lot of overhead involved in having a job. Most people don't
> factor this in as debits against their income, not to mention the time
> and mental costs of working. I suspect if most people really thought
> about it, they would realize how little they're actually left with at
> the end of the day. Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is
> 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
> be looking for a job).
Sorry to disappoint you, but, for your situation, welfare IS a
job. You can expect the county to put you to work, at the
minimum wage rate. Things like cleaning rubbish in public parks,
or cleaning buses and trains.
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TOPIC: Discount buy red monkey jeans and evisu jeans
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 11:29 pm
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TOPIC: Discount buy Coogi Mens Jeans, Coogi Mens Outerwear, Coogi Mens Shoes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 11:31 pm
From: www.luxuryfashion@yahoo.com.cn
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If you have any need,welcome inform us .
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