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* Doorbell always uses electricity! - 6 messages, 4 authors
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* Fusion Nike Air Jordan 1 I Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 1 AJF1 AJ1F www.
cicigogo.cn Jordan 1 fusion www.cicigogo.cn Nike dunk sb, air force one, air
max, Jordans, Jordan fusion, nike shox - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Bloomberg: Get ready for a 4000 DOW by as early as inauguration day!
Recovery could take decades! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How you can save fuel and the environment - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Thermostat Setting - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a year - 2
messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Doorbell always uses electricity!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 8:34 pm
From: max

In article <6ojvt2F41153U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wired doorbells have a transformer which is always on and always using
> electricity. This is yet one more thing in the house which does this like
> TV, microwave, remote control things, things with clocks, plug-in phones,
> etc.
>
> These things add up...
>
> I replaced/rewired my switch so the transformer is only on when the doorbell
> button is pressed! Thus the transformer is off most of the time now.
>
> I installed a regular electrical box at my front door, ran 14 ga. romex from
> this box to the doorbell transformer, then got a nice brass blank wall
> plate, drilled a hole in this plate, then installed a 120V momentary push
> switch in the plate. Then wired this to switch on the transformer when the
> button is pressed. Then connected the two wires which were going to the old
> button so the doorbell would ring as soon as it receives power from the
> transformer.

i have a door knocker. My old house had a hand-cranked
through-the-door doorbell.

No annoying ground currents to kill the Jehovah's Witnesses.

.max

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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:00 pm
From: Dave Garland

E Z Peaces wrote:
> I've tried battery-powered wireless door chimes. I used AA alkalines,
> which have a much longer shelf life than conventional carbon-zinc. The
> problem was the current draw of the receivers. A set of batteries would
> last only a few months, and a lot of visitors might leave frustrated
> before I realized my chime was out of service.

Why use battery-powered chimes (as opposed to transmitters)? My
wireless chimes plug into outlets (upstairs and downstairs chimes).
Being as they make noise, it's not like precise location is critical.
The transmitters use a "N" battery every 3-4 years. You do have to
check occasionally to make sure it's still working.

The operating cost (75 cents per year for batteries, and whatever the
line draw is) is probably more than a transformer-operated bell but
we're way down in the noise range of expense.

Dave

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:03 pm
From: Dave Garland

Red Green wrote:

> Gotta dig back in my 60's damaged memory synapses but the AC wires in the
> walls generate an electromagnetic field. Metal that passes through these
> fields gets induced voltage. So, if you have any metal in what you wear
> or carry in your pocket you're sucking "some" level of power. Maybe can
> save another .04 a year by instituting a buck naked policy indoors. Huh?

Depending on the climate zone you're in (I keep my house at ~55F in the
winter, and treatment for hypothermia will eat up your savings). In the
right climate, a buck naked policy could be well worth it in
entertainment value alone.

Dave

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:04 pm
From: The Real Bev

E Z Peaces wrote:

> Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> Geeze, I replaced the transformer powered doorbell in my house 10
>> years ago with a 15 buck wireless chimer. Couple screws and it's
>> done. Replaced the AAA batteries once in all that time.
>
> Doorbells once used carbon-zinc batteries. Their shelf life wasn't
> good. That explains the change to transformers.
>
> I've tried battery-powered wireless door chimes. I used AA alkalines,
> which have a much longer shelf life than conventional carbon-zinc. The
> problem was the current draw of the receivers. A set of batteries would
> last only a few months, and a lot of visitors might leave frustrated
> before I realized my chime was out of service.

I don't understand why this is a problem.

> How about a wired chime using a lithium battery? The battery could
> outlast a transformer and be cheaper to replace.

Or rechargeables. The precharged NiMH ones seem to hold their charge
for a long time.

Ours just emits a strangled sort of buzz; replacing it with a cheap
wireless one would be a definite advantage if it weren't for the fact
that our friends all know to knock -- anybody who rings the "bell" only
wants to convert us to something or sell us something.

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:07 pm
From: The Real Bev

Stormin Mormon wrote:

> With any luck, he'll also remember the computer, the hair dryer, the pump
> in the fish tank, and all the other big power drains.

Don't forget the clock on the microwave.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 11:13 pm
From: "DGDevin"

E Z Peaces wrote:

> I've tried battery-powered wireless door chimes. I used AA alkalines,
> which have a much longer shelf life than conventional carbon-zinc. The
> problem was the current draw of the receivers. A set of
> batteries would last only a few months, and a lot of visitors might
> leave frustrated before I realized my chime was out of service.
>
> How about a wired chime using a lithium battery? The battery could
> outlast a transformer and be cheaper to replace.

How about a brass door-knocker which needs no electricity from any source?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 8:59 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"California Poppy" <GoldenStatePoppy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2725bb65-b0bb-411f-914d-f29aac6ec1fb@k24g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 19, 3:36?pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Nov 19, 4:23?pm, thylacoleocarni...@clearwire.net wrote:
>
> > Bush's coupe de grace for America's middle class. The long term
> > investor is dead. ?America's Age of Gluttony has
> > ended...http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agudZCuyk73g&refe...
>
> Sell now, I repeat, sell now. Buy back into market with DOW at
> 6500-7000. Enjoy the discount!
>
> mitch

Bush or any president had nothing to do with it. The economy is
pretty much independent of whoever is in office. It is sad though to
see the DOW and my stocks go down.
BUT the STATE of the economy just installed a BLANK sheet President elect
for just that.
ENJOY...........
By the way ..............day trade your stocks 20 50 200 day moving average.
NOT 401 ks .........OK

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:06 pm
From: The Real Bev

Lou wrote:

> On the contrary - tests conducted by the SAE have shown that air
> conditioning in general use more gas than rolling down the windows, on the
> test vehicles at any rate. See
> http://www.sae.org/events/aars/presentations/2004-hill.pdf for instance - I
> think the most telling part is the graphs on pages 14 and 15.

I don't trust what somebody writes who isn't smart enough to hire a
proofreader for the title page.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:08 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Napoleon" <anarch@666yes.net> wrote in message
news:2d58i41djoa6ggfhf2gv156u9cifqgg9cf@4ax.com...
> An appropriate time of the year for this post.
>
> I keep my thermostat at 59 from 8am to 5pm and 9pm to 6am.
> From 6am to 8am and 5pm to 9pm the thermostat is kept at 64. Is this
> more frugal than keeping the thermostat set at 62 the entire day?
>
> Would it be more worthwhile to keep the thermostat set lower at night
> or would you use more gas just getting it up to 64 from say 56? I use
> natural gas to heat and I am in upstate NY.
>
> What are your thermostat settings, where do you live, what do you use
> to heat, and did you see a savings last year from lowering it at
> night?
Shut some rooms down if able in your house during the winter.

>
> -N

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 10:26 pm
From: Dave Garland

Napoleon wrote:

> I keep my thermostat at 59 from 8am to 5pm and 9pm to 6am.
> From 6am to 8am and 5pm to 9pm the thermostat is kept at 64. Is this
> more frugal than keeping the thermostat set at 62 the entire day?

Probably. Heat loss is proportional to the difference in temperature
between inside and outside.

> Would it be more worthwhile to keep the thermostat set lower at night
> or would you use more gas just getting it up to 64 from say 56?

The only convincing situation I've heard of where "getting it up" is a
cost factor is people with heat pumps that kick in resistance heating
when faced with a strong demand. But they're probably not going to live
in upstate NY.

> What are your thermostat settings,

46F at night (electric mattress pad turned on when needed), 55F daytime,
more if my hands feel cold (wearing warm clothes takes care of the rest
of the body).

> where do you live,

Minneapolis. Probably 5-10F colder than upstate NY where I grew up
(Southern Tier, but depends on exactly where "upstate" means).

> what do you use to heat,

natural gas

>and did you see a savings last year from lowering it at
> night?

I've been doing this for years.

Dave

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TOPIC: Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 9:47 pm
From: "Billzz"

<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 9:34 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangal...@testland.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:23:55 -0800 (PST), Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
> <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 18, 5:22 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e...@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> >> on
> >> 11/18/2008
> >> at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> said:
>
> >> >On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> >> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not
> >> >> cash.
> >> >> it includes benefits and retirement costs.
> >> >Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does
> >> >nothing
> >> >more than hold a tool.
>
> >> Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.
>
> >Your job consists of holding a tool that does all the work for you.
> >That by itself is the definition of unskilled. If you don't like it,
> >tough.
>
> While I agree with you with regards to pay for work done I don't agree
> with your premise -- by your premise a military pilot flying a 25
> million dollar aircraft is unskilled labor since all he does is sit in
> the cockpit and pull levers and push buttons.- Hide quoted text -
>

No, it's all about how long it takes to become competent at the job.
There
are a LOT of jobs where the tool does most of the work and the human
just
has to hold it in the right place. There was a 60 Minutes in the mid
90s
about one of the Utica Club breweries that was closing. The people who
did nothing but fill the container of bottlecaps for the machine which
automatically capped the bottles were making $15.00/hour. This is back
in the 90s. They were called "operators" although they operated
nothing, and even they admitted that they had learned the job in under
2 hours. More than $30k, 12-15 years ago, and you learned the job in 2
hours? Yes, of course, they were unionized. Ridiculous salaries seemed
to be what put the place out of business.

I submit that if you can learn your job in less than a week, without
prior
education or experience, then the job is unskilled.
-----------------------------------------------------

My left-hand carats are not working, but the above is from tmclone (I think)
and the below is from billzz..

Anyway, I was just passing by and remember that the US Army paid for my
bachelor's degree and one of the courses for my General Studies degree
(which places me in the same league as the jocks) was about occupations, and
what constituted a profession, occupation, skilled, unskilled, etc.

Anyway, if the person has formal training, followed by a test, then gets
accreditation, or a certificate, or a license, then that person is a
"skilled" worker. So people who run big equipment, which requires training,
a test, and a license, are, by definition, skilled workers.

Anyway, again (can you take any more?) the US Army also paid for my master's
degree, this time in Public Administration (because they wanted "any"
degree, the shorter, the better - I was a generalist) and I learned a whole
bunch more of definitions.

Anyway, again, again ( I thought you would like that) it does not make any
difference what we think. It's codified in law. Y'all, we'all, can call
someone *unskilled* but there is a city, county, state, and federal
regulation which states explicitly what is a skilled or unskilled trade or
occupation. It means something to someone.

Because of liability issues (don'cha know) a forklift operator, almost
certainly, has to have formal training, a test, and a license. So, by
definition, the position is *not* unskilled worker. The person may be
*unskilled,* but not in the definition of the occupation.

I shoulda been a lawyer.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 11:20 pm
From: "Devil.Handsome"

I submit that if you can learn your job in less than a week, without
prior
education or experience, then the job is unskilled.

so let's see, it appears that the bush hillbilly learned his job in less
than 4 minutes,
so does that make him overpaid ?

is limbaugh worth $50 mil+ a year, or Judge Judy worth $40 million a year,
are soldiers worth more than the $30 or $40 k they make ?

if we hadn't imported 25 million low wage illegals, then what would wages be
?,

can't we let the market place and demand set wages, we do need people to put
bottle caps on bottles, otherwise the liquid would run out,
we need people to change the sheets in hotels, mop the floors, pick up the
trash, put out the fires, arrest the bad republican criminals,
and a million other low skill but still hard jobs that don't pay a whole lot

what I'm hearing is jealousy about union wages, what we really need is more
money for these people who
contribute a lot more than they are given credit for by arrogant, obnoxious
assholes like you and
less for the people at the top who have become proficient at stealing and
manipulating the system
to enrich themselves

why don't you run down to bentonville and stand in line to kiss those wal
mart hillbilly cocksuckers asses, they must be well qualified in your eyes
after
putting countless milions of americans out of work and treating their
employees like indentured servants,

didn't we fight our first war to get rid of arrogant, elite,effite, and
effeminate, aristocratic bastards like you ?

fuck off shithead, what working people make is none of your business,

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