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* Obama gets it! Oil is FINITE, regardless of current price. - 5 messages, 3
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* Filling a reusable water bottle at fast food restaraunts - 2 messages, 2
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* Go to www.prettyreplica.com buy replica watches at this Christmas! - 1
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* Putian City Chengxiang District CiCi Trade Co., Ltd (Wholesale world famous
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* Do you want your tax money to pay a forklift operator $103,000.00 a year - 4
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TOPIC: Obama gets it! Oil is FINITE, regardless of current price.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 5:25 pm
From: hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com
On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >>> That puts you at a gross intellectual disadvantage.
> >> You have a lot of opinions that you can't substantiate. These things
> >> can happen listening to wingnut radio where they only give you the
> >> synopsis of what to believe and never the background info to prove it.
>
> > That you choose to ignore truth because one person says it, and not
> > your media hero, puts you at an intellectual disadvantage, doesn't
> > it? Some would call it ignorance.
>
> I missed this first time out.
Why am I not surprised?
> No, it is not truth if it is unsubstantiated.
Do you lie to yourself often?
> You see that you are
> confusing opinion programs with news programs.
Actually, I'm not.
> There is no journalistic
> standard for your opinion talk shows. They can say whatever they want
> and there is no recourse for when they are wrong. In fact you never even
> know it.
You may not.
> If a journalist is wrong, he risks being fired (ex. Dan Rather).
Dan was fired? I thought I saw him retire?
That bitch handler of his should have been fired.
> If
> Rush errs, it is just another day on the air. He serves only to please
> his gullible audience not the truth.
And the mainstream media is gullible whenever Barack or Hillary start
moving their lips.
"The first thing Barack has to do is to win over the media." I almost
pissed myself laughing over that one.
> The fact is that you see the whole world through your colored
> glasses.
Actually, my lens have no tint and I'm color blind.
> You see Obama as "media hero" becuse you wholly bought into
> that McCain commercial. In fact you can't see beyond that. He is a man
> of real substance and he is putting together a very competent staff to
> actually run government, something that clearly isn't being done now.
Barack has no substance. Like Joe Biden said...
> BTW, I read the republican pundits, just not the opinion meisters
> that you apparently follow. Hell, I even watch the news segment of the
> 700 Club, they have some standards.
You are so learned and wise. I am not worthy. Ha ha ha ha ha. That
was fun.
> Jeff
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 5:27 pm
From: hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com
On Nov 21, 1:32 am, Curly Surmudgeon <curlysurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:13:28 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
> >>>> I understand you for the most part. Had I been Squirrelly
> >>>> Curmudgeon, your lie tally would be five, but I can't honestly
> >>>> categorize your misguided opinions as lies.
>
> >> You can't "honestly" speak. Not for yourself, let alone others. Cease
> >> misrepresenting the words of others and only lie for your self. We've
> >> come to accept that you lie for yourself is your pattern, lying about
> >> the words of others is unacceptable.
>
> >> Do not paraphrase others, misrepresent, modify, or misstate our words.
> >> Lie only for yourself.
>
> > Stop stalking me, stinkbug. And stop lying, too.
>
> You're lying again, cockroach.
>
> Stop it.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
You're stalking again, little stinkbug. Stop it.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 6:49 pm
From: Jeff
hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> That puts you at a gross intellectual disadvantage.
>>>> You have a lot of opinions that you can't substantiate. These things
>>>> can happen listening to wingnut radio where they only give you the
>>>> synopsis of what to believe and never the background info to prove it.
>>> That you choose to ignore truth because one person says it, and not
>>> your media hero, puts you at an intellectual disadvantage, doesn't
>>> it? Some would call it ignorance.
>> I missed this first time out.
>
> Why am I not surprised?
>
>> No, it is not truth if it is unsubstantiated.
>
> Do you lie to yourself often?
>
>> You see that you are
>> confusing opinion programs with news programs.
>
> Actually, I'm not.
>
>> There is no journalistic
>> standard for your opinion talk shows. They can say whatever they want
>> and there is no recourse for when they are wrong. In fact you never even
>> know it.
>
> You may not.
>
>> If a journalist is wrong, he risks being fired (ex. Dan Rather).
>
> Dan was fired? I thought I saw him retire?
>
> That bitch handler of his should have been fired.
You are real nasty piece of work. Curly is right about your being a
psychopath.
Jeff
>
>> If
>> Rush errs, it is just another day on the air. He serves only to please
>> his gullible audience not the truth.
>
> And the mainstream media is gullible whenever Barack or Hillary start
> moving their lips.
>
> "The first thing Barack has to do is to win over the media." I almost
> pissed myself laughing over that one.
>
>> The fact is that you see the whole world through your colored
>> glasses.
>
> Actually, my lens have no tint and I'm color blind.
>
>> You see Obama as "media hero" becuse you wholly bought into
>> that McCain commercial. In fact you can't see beyond that. He is a man
>> of real substance and he is putting together a very competent staff to
>> actually run government, something that clearly isn't being done now.
>
> Barack has no substance. Like Joe Biden said...
>
>> BTW, I read the republican pundits, just not the opinion meisters
>> that you apparently follow. Hell, I even watch the news segment of the
>> 700 Club, they have some standards.
>
> You are so learned and wise. I am not worthy. Ha ha ha ha ha. That
> was fun.
>
>> Jeff
>
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 7:11 pm
From: hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com
On Nov 21, 9:49 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >> <snip>
>
> >>>>> That puts you at a gross intellectual disadvantage.
> >>>> You have a lot of opinions that you can't substantiate. These things
> >>>> can happen listening to wingnut radio where they only give you the
> >>>> synopsis of what to believe and never the background info to prove it.
> >>> That you choose to ignore truth because one person says it, and not
> >>> your media hero, puts you at an intellectual disadvantage, doesn't
> >>> it? Some would call it ignorance.
> >> I missed this first time out.
>
> > Why am I not surprised?
>
> >> No, it is not truth if it is unsubstantiated.
>
> > Do you lie to yourself often?
>
> >> You see that you are
> >> confusing opinion programs with news programs.
>
> > Actually, I'm not.
>
> >> There is no journalistic
> >> standard for your opinion talk shows. They can say whatever they want
> >> and there is no recourse for when they are wrong. In fact you never even
> >> know it.
>
> > You may not.
>
> >> If a journalist is wrong, he risks being fired (ex. Dan Rather).
>
> > Dan was fired? I thought I saw him retire?
>
> > That bitch handler of his should have been fired.
>
> You are real nasty piece of work. Curly is right about your being a
> psychopath.
>
> Jeff
Heh, heh. She set him up, but I think he went willingly. Plausible
deniability and all that.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:51 pm
From: Ken Lay
In article <4925a3d9$0$31160$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com>,
Curly Surmudgeon <curlysurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:22:27 -0600, Ken Lay wrote:
>
> > In article <xaKdndIXlcNyMrnUnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Name one thing W said that was more than just words being spoken.
> >
> > You misunderestimate our Great Leader. He's smarter than Dan Quayle.
>
> You think? Don't equate success in election fraud with intelligence.
>
> By the way, I've always wondered if Ken Lay were really dead or living on
> a carribbean island after facial reconstruction surgery with new passports...
>
> Your presence here lends credence to the fantasy. How'd you get your
> bucks out unnoticed?
I had a lot of help from friends in High Places. Also a lot of documents
waiting to be unleashed if I don't get the help I need.
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.
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TOPIC: Filling a reusable water bottle at fast food restaraunts
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 5:47 pm
From: piclistguy@yahoo.com
I am on the road often and rely on bottled water that I keep in my
car.
I have had enough with the cost and environmental impact. I plan on
getting one of those 32-oz nalgene bottles. I would like to fill it up
at the soda machines with water at fast food places I visit for lunch.
32oz should last me all day and allow me to save on bottled water. I
often skip a drink anyway at lunch places and ask for a paper cup for
free water.
For some reason I think I would feel strange bringing in my own
Nalgene bottles and filling it with water from the tap on the soda
machine. Concerned that they may think I am taking soda without paying
for it.
Do any of you bring your own water bottle to fast food places?
Thanks
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 6:55 pm
From: "Dave"
<piclistguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63374fc3-fa0f-4ced-ba8d-1f6d3eec17dc@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>I am on the road often and rely on bottled water that I keep in my
> car.
> I have had enough with the cost and environmental impact. I plan on
> getting one of those 32-oz nalgene bottles. I would like to fill it up
> at the soda machines with water at fast food places I visit for lunch.
> 32oz should last me all day and allow me to save on bottled water. I
> often skip a drink anyway at lunch places and ask for a paper cup for
> free water.
>
> For some reason I think I would feel strange bringing in my own
> Nalgene bottles and filling it with water from the tap on the soda
> machine. Concerned that they may think I am taking soda without paying
> for it.
> Do any of you bring your own water bottle to fast food places?
> Thanks
I'd be surprised if that's legal. There is a good reason that you are
required to take a new plate for every trip to the buffet. That reason
applies DOUBLE to soda fountains, where the container actually touches the
dispensers. I know many truck stops sell HUGE (like, gallon) mugs that are
meant to be refilled. And I cringe every time I see someone using one. I
don't know how they get away with it. -Dave
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TOPIC: Doorbell always uses electricity!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 7:26 pm
From: Jim Redelfs
In article <n8gei49665vdmgsfjo2vd7kqpcm21isl3c@4ax.com>,
KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
>> You could have saved yourself a lot of time, effort and money
>> by simply turning-off the transformer and removing the
>> doorbell button. Let 'em KNOCK.
> Nice idea
Thank-you.
> but there are situations where that just won't
> suffice: what about people who live up on the
> third floor of a big house
Post a sign: "Knock LOUDLY!"
> or who are deaf
Post a sign: "Knock REALLY LOUDLY!"
> and need lights to flash when someone rings?
That's a good question. How did these unfortunate people manage before
electricity? After all, it's doing WITHOUT all these annoying and
unnecessary conveniences that will save the planet.
Gawd, this is scary. You sad folks probably voted, too.
--
<sigh>
JR
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 7:29 pm
From: Jim Redelfs
In article <gg7jch$5jb$1@aioe.org>,
The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@wtf.net> wrote:
> My personal favorite:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5zkoow
Now THAT's my kind of "doorbell"!
Deaf people on the 10th floor and all the <ahem> "residents" of the
nearby cemetery will take notice.
--
:)
JR
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 7:51 pm
From: The Daring Dufas
Jim Redelfs wrote:
> In article <gg7jch$5jb$1@aioe.org>,
> The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@wtf.net> wrote:
>
>> My personal favorite:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5zkoow
>
> Now THAT's my kind of "doorbell"!
>
> Deaf people on the 10th floor and all the <ahem> "residents" of the
> nearby cemetery will take notice.
I had a friend who was having problems with
Bulgarians stealing the copper and aluminum
out of his small apartment complex. I took
a motion sensing floodlight and an Edwards
120 volt square fire horn which we installed
at the rear of the apartments. One night he
was awakened by the wonderfully loud obnoxious
sound of that horn accompanied by some equally
loud screams and cursing in the local Bulgarian
dialect. The next morning he found a lot of blood,
bits of dark flesh and torn black clothing on
the barbed wire fence. For some reason his losses
to the vandalizing thieves abated.
TDD
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:02 pm
From: Red Green
E Z Peaces <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:lYmVk.66965$kh2.16932@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
> Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> I had a friend some years ago who ran the communications
>>> division of the local power company. This was back when
>>> they had HF radios for communications and the techs actually
>>> had to know something about electronics. They would get
>>> electronic interference complaints which were often traced
>>> to doorbell transformers. It was a very common problem and
>>> one that many people don't even think of today.
>>>
>>> TDD
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that.
>>
>> If it was "a very common problem", can you offer a cite proving that
>> a 60 hz transformer and 10-50 feet of unshielded wire with 24 vac on
>> it can cause interference at radio frequencies?
>>
>> Wouldn't you expect that if that story was true those big pole pig
>> transformers and all that higher voltage wiring running on the poles
>> on nearly every street would have caused the radios to melt? <G>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> According to the FCC Interference Handbook, defective doorbell
> transformers are often a source of interference to TVs and other
> household electronics. It may be a neighbor's transformer. I think
> it happens when part of the core comes loose and vibrates.
Interference from a neighbors transformer is rampant in that when people
realize it uses 3 bucks of electricity a year to run they buy a couple
of hundred feet of copper cable and conduit (so it's code compliant) and
illegaly trench it to the neighbors power.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:07 pm
From: Red Green
E Z Peaces <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:_ZDVk.67437$kh2.16729@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
> Craig M wrote:
>> That pulse can pack a pretty good hit, want to try something, flash a
>> 9 volt batt on the low voltage side of a doorbell transformer, and
>> feel what you get on the other side.
>> that pulse can back feed through the house wiring, and posiblilty zap
>> something else.
>> Thats all I was worried about.
>>
> I used to do that with a AA cell and a transformer made to energize
> two conductors of a telephone cable to light a dial. Occasionally I
> found an unsuspecting person to hold the plug.
>
> I also used to enjoy putting my tongue on the terminals of a 9 volt
> battery.
That was cool wasn't it! Did you also used to eat the paper paste in
kiddie school art class?
>
> The doorbell might absorb some of the pulse, but not as well as a
> resistive load. I agree that if you didn't get shocked pressing the
> button, you might get shocked releasing it.
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:29 pm
From: Snowbound
In article <gg4t3b$76f$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
> The subject was health benefits for union workers to cover abortion
> (among other things), to which you gave an idiotic response.
People like you should count your blessings. You could live under an
enforced abortion regime, which this country has never seen. Plenty of
regimes have been, though.
Your advocacy of outlawing abortion only for women who can't afford to
travel someplace where it is safe and legal is worse. It is a direct
throwback to the days of slavery, the closest this land has ever been to
enforced abortion. You would condemn the entire nation into being a
prison for women simply to enforce your anti-empirical policies, usually
based on religious faith. Then you would staunchly ignore the very pain
and suffering you cultivated, claiming "they" have no right to your
greedy prosperity.
There has NEVER been any just law based solely on any religious faith,
never in the all the history of mankind. It is essential to peace that
any church or organized faith seriously attempting to intervene in the
laws of man be buried by the fury of those they would enslave.
Christian, Muslim, Jew, all the same. Piety is only real when it is
humble and hopeful. Real faith forever shuns worldly ambition, all else
is corrupt and false.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:37 pm
From: Truly Stunned
In article <iCHVk.832$ve.264@newsfe23.iad>,
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Furthermore -
>
> UAW employees also receive the following extraordinary provisions:
>
> * 30-and-Out contracts. UAW employees work under a 30-and-Out
> contract that allows them to retire with generous pension benefits
> after 30 years on the job, irrespective of age.
> * Seven weeks' vacation. A Chrysler worker with 15 years' tenure was
> entitled to 34.5 paid holidays and vacation days in 2006--seven
> weeks in paid time off. This is three weeks more paid vacation
> than the average private sector
> worker with similar tenure.
> * Paid not to work. Under UAW contracts, workers whom the automakers
> let go when plants close are not laid off. Instead, after
> exhausting regular unemployment payments from the automakers and
> the government, they are transferred to a JOBS bank where they are
> paid nearly full wages to not work.
Hmm. Did the unions negotiate in a vacuum? What weapon was held to the
head of the manufacturers to force them to agree to these terms? Perhaps
the Big Three were not interested in the long-term effects of their
negotiations because they knew if the day came when their companies were
truly threatened, they could simply declare bankruptcy (if the
government refused to fund their shortsightedness) and walk away.
Meanwhile there was all that money to be made crushing electric vehicles.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 8:43 pm
From: Truly Stunned
In article <8fjai41jvse50mnb50bfn0t5fc67vmjtdv@4ax.com>,
Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
> The skilled/unskilled is a BS method of classifying people anyway.
> What do you call a good cook with a year's experience that can keep a
> couple hundred people asking for recipes, as opposed to the one who's
> been cooking with the same recipes for 10 years and never gets asked
> for one?
> Could say essentially the same about cement finishers or hairdressers,
> etc, etc. Even the Micky D server who flashes a smile but is slow at
> making change might be better for business than the quick sourpuss
> working alongside.
> AFAIC there's skilled trades and everybody else.
> And HR is rolling the dice most the time in sorting them out.
>
> --Vic
Good point. Many of the best mechanics I have ever known approached
their work in much the same way as an artist approaches a canvas.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 21 2008 9:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Truly Stunned <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote:
> In article <iCHVk.832$ve.264@newsfe23.iad>,
> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>> Furthermore -
>>
>> UAW employees also receive the following extraordinary provisions:
>>
>> * 30-and-Out contracts. UAW employees work under a 30-and-Out
>> contract that allows them to retire with generous pension
>> benefits after 30 years on the job, irrespective of age.
>> * Seven weeks' vacation. A Chrysler worker with 15 years' tenure
>> was entitled to 34.5 paid holidays and vacation days in
>> 2006--seven weeks in paid time off. This is three weeks more
>> paid vacation
>> than the average private sector
>> worker with similar tenure.
>> * Paid not to work. Under UAW contracts, workers whom the
>> automakers let go when plants close are not laid off. Instead,
>> after exhausting regular unemployment payments from the
>> automakers and the government, they are transferred to a JOBS
>> bank where they are paid nearly full wages to not work.
> Hmm. Did the unions negotiate in a vacuum?
> What weapon was held to the head of the manufacturers to force them to agree to these terms?
The weapon of not getting any cars made to sell.
> Perhaps the Big Three were not interested in the long-term effects
> of their negotiations because they knew if the day came when their
> companies were truly threatened, they could simply declare bankruptcy
> (if the government refused to fund their shortsightedness) and walk away.
Unlikely.
> Meanwhile there was all that money to be made crushing electric vehicles.
Mindless silly stuff.
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