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Wednesday, November 26, 2008

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TOPIC: Substitute for Pepsi
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/368be2cbd1f960a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:20 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 25, 1:16 pm, "tomba...@city-net.com" <tomba...@city-net.com>
wrote:
> Pepsi is my one sin. I was wondering if there is a less expensive
> substitute. I can easily tell the different between coke and pepsi.
> Pepsi is not as sweet, and it seems to have more carbonation. I like
> their 24 oz bottles. In the area I live there is Fago brand, but the
> rest are house brands.
>
> Tom

I didn't mind RC Cola when there wasn't Pepsi nearby. I'm also a
"Pepsi" sinner so I understand your question. Also thought Shasta was
ok as I recall.

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TOPIC: Bailout costs every taxpayer $24,000.00. Are Americans just fat sheeple?

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a7c77e2271603a4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:30 pm
From: Henry <9-11@insidejob.gov>

Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
> On Nov 24, 8:56 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:

>> They accepted the Bush regime's 9-11 fairy tale without thought
>> or question, so why not the theft and redistribution of their
>> money to billionaire corporate thieves and criminals?

> Sigh. Here we go again.

>> They must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the
>> Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. Massey
>>
>> http://911research.wtc7.net
>> http://stj911.org
>> http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
>> http://www.911truth.org
>>
>> Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
>> to raging infernos for hours on end.
>>
>> http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

> Were those buildings 110 stories tall?

Was WTC7 110 stories tall? Your question is meaningless
and irrelevant.

>> On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
>> had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
>> at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
>> demolition.

> Yes, clearly the CIA wanted to get rid of incriminating documents so
> badly, they waited patiently for the attacks, snuck in past the scads
> of firefighters running around, planted hundreds of pounds of high
> explosives, and blew up the building. As opposed to say, striking a
> match.

WTF? You're babbling incoherently. But I'll address two of your
points. One - there were no firefighters in WTC7. They were
shockingly ordered not to fight WTC7's minor fires early in the
day. Two - obviously, the building was rigged for demo prior to
9-11-01, not while it was burning. Wow....
Hundreds of experts agree that the instant, total, free fall
speed and symmetric failure of a hurricane and earth quake
resistant steel framed skyscraper can not possibly be caused
by the gradual asymmetric failure of some steel supports due
to gradual heating. Here is a small sampling of these experts
and their research.

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

Where, exactly, do you believe these experts are in error?

They must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the
Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. Massey

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
- Manuel Valenzuela

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 1:58 pm
From: "tomorrow@erols.com"

On Nov 25, 2:24 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 10:11 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 11:47 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 25, 6:51 am, "tomor...@erols.com"
>
> > > <tomorrowerolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > > > > > ample butts while accepting the
> > > > > > theft of their money?
>
> > > > > > ted
>
> > > > > Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>
> > > > Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
> > > > returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
> > > > FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
> > > > taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>
> > > > Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> > > > can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.
>
> > > Maybe we can just hit China up for another loan.
>
> > > Meantime, we should obviously cut taxe RATEs in the upper
> > > income brackets again so that still more prosperity will
> > > trickle down on the rest of us.
>
> > (fixed that for you)
>
> > Nah, we should just increase the taxes on the top 10% of wage earners
> > so that they are paying 95% of the total tax burden instead of 46% as
> > they do now. Then 90% of the people would get a 100% tax rebate,
> > every year! Bet those folks would vote Democrat!
>
> Ya frikkin communistic wealth sharer !!
>
> I sure don't see any need to change any formula that's
> worked so well over the last eight years.

During the last eight years, higher income people have paid more of
their income in taxes and lower income people have paid less. So,
Obama is hoping to extend the Bush economic approach wrt to taxes.
He also plans to put in place another economic stimulus package, like
Bush's, but bigger. He believes that he can raise rates and have a
resulting rise in collections, and he may be right. After all,
cutting rates resulted in a rise in collections, didn't it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 4:39 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:53:19 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>Jason wrote:
>
>>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>>news:OEVWk.161$VX5.1@newsfe14.iad...
>>
>>
>>>Ron Peterson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>>>>>every
>>>>>man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>>>>>spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>>>>>Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>>>>>mortgages
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
>>>>executives, or somebody else?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Pro athletes. Essentially every major financial institution getting
>>>bailout money is using it to put their name on a sports stadium so the
>>>players can get their multi million dollar pay checks.
>>>
>>>Without the bailout money, for example, Citibank won't be able to spend
>>>$400M to get their name on the new stadium for the Yankees.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>a list of recipients that have been disclosed , so far, is shown at the
>>following
>>
>>http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/recipients/table?scp=4&sq=recipients%20of%20bailout&st=cse
>>
>>Dozens of banks and a handful of insurers have applied for funds from the
>>Treasury Department as part of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief
>>Program. The Treasury has transferred capital to 30 of these companies and
>>to A.I.G. More are expected to announce their participation in the coming
>>weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I hope it all goes through. If these pro athletes are forced to take a
>cut in pay, there won't be enough money to trickle down into the middle
>class. These millionaire athletes will also not likely be able to
>create any new jobs if their salaries are cut.

Hey, weren't you in the "sky will fall if the bailout doesn't pass!"
camp last month?

Dennis (evil)
--
What government gives, it must first take away.

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TOPIC: AS SEEN ON OPRAH & 20/20
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/53f9439b8585765d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 2:16 pm
From: kmtlat@yahoo.com

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 3:32 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

... where they warned everyone to stay away from this pyramid scam.

--
"This is our moment. This is our time - to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids;
to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental
truth - that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt,
and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:
Yes We Can." President-elect Barack Obama, November, 4, 2008
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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TOPIC: do you plant to lower your indoor temp this winter?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a259dedc39c3ba0d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 2:22 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:13:26 -0800 (PST), "tombates@city-net.com"
<tombates@city-net.com> wrote:

>We keep our house temperature at 58, and my wife wants the bedroom
>window open even if it is 10 degrees outside. I have been hit with
>snow in my face a number of times, because I sleep next to the window.
>My wife says "I thought you enjoyed sking. 58 makes me wear a long
>shirt, socks and sweat pants, but I have not missed a day of work in
>thirty years for being ill.
>
I like that snow in the face part. I'd like to try that.
If my wife agrees.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Bed Bath & Beyond - ridiculous gifts, laughable prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3145bb7ec51f39ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 3:25 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:49:45 -0600, Gary Indiana
<goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave and
>add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra spoons
>and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some cool-whip
>on the top.

Oh, honey, that's not coffee. That's warm brown water.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 3:31 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:22:39 GMT, NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
>Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>
>>wine chiller - $100 (I put mine in the fridge for free)
>
>And if your fridge is full? Given the proliferation of "refrigerate
>after opening" on everything that's not too hard to do. Besides where
>are you going to store the bottles? The "wine cellar" doesn't cost
>much more than a new cabinet from (say) Ikea. Of course the
>electricity to run it makes it uneconomical but you can always leave
>the thing unplugged and just fire it up over the holidays.

It seems I neglected to mention that this particular chiller is for
*one* bottle.

>>single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost $14.99)
>
>And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
>the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
>these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
>that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism...

Now you're just being silly. I make two cups, which fill one big mug,
and it takes about five minutes. I don't need my coffee any faster
than that, that would just be obsessive.

>OTOH lots of no-taste-buds Americans
>actually prefer Dunkin' Donuts. Probably the ones who have Mr. Coffee
>machines <g>.

HAH! I laugh in your general direction. ?;^) I absolutely *hate* DD
coffee -- just more warm brown water, can't really call it coffee.
Mine not only makes the spoon stand up, it slowly dissolves.

>>Proper Positioning bed pillow - $80
>I don't know what this is.

It's ridiculous, is what it is.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 4:17 pm
From: The Real Bev

Patricia Martin Steward wrote:

> <goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave and
>>add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra spoons
>>and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some cool-whip
>>on the top.
>
> Oh, honey, that's not coffee. That's warm brown water.

I once drank half a cup of hot water before it occurred to me that it
was AWFULLY weak. Hey, it was a brown cup, bite me!

I am ingrigued by the desire for 'froth' or 'bubbles' in a cup of strong
coffee. Why is this feature worth extra money?

--
Cheers, Bev
===============================================
"If God had wanted us to use the metric system,
Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
- Jesse Helms

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 4:40 pm
From: Marsha

The Real Bev wrote:
> I am ingrigued by the desire for 'froth' or 'bubbles' in a cup of strong
> coffee. Why is this feature worth extra money?
>

It's not.

Marsha

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:47 pm
From: "Lou"

"Gary Indiana" <goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:G-OdnasXWd1x_LHUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:31:54 -0500, Lou wrote:
>
> > "Gary Indiana" <goaway@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:ocydnS6X75MUjbHUnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@supernews.com...
> >> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:06:14 -0500, Evelyn Leeper wrote:
> >>
> >>> NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> >>>> Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
> >>>>> single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost
> >>>>> $14.99)
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
> >>>> the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
> >>>> these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
> >>>> that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism... "Mr.
> >>>> Coffee" indeed!
> >>>
> >>> I find that my Melitta cone with reusable filter works fine and
> >>> doesn't cost anywhere near $200.
> >>
> >> Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave
> >> and add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra
> >> spoons and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some
> >> cool-whip on the top.
> >
> > Yeah, but while you could maybe stretch a point and call the first a cup
> > of coffee, by no means is this espresso or cappuccino.
>
> Nonsense. It produces the very same vibrations and color fringes.

There are people who like the **taste**. A couple of NODOZE (do they still
sell that?) will give the same effect, but they lack the pleasure of a good
cup of coffee. On the other hand, they're not offensive like that instant
stuff.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:15 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Patricia Martin Steward wrote:

>I once drank half a cup of hot water before it occurred to me that it
>was AWFULLY weak. Hey, it was a brown cup, bite me!

>I am ingrigued by the desire for 'froth' or 'bubbles' in a cup of strong
>coffee. Why is this feature worth extra money?

The crema is an indication of the quality of the underlying espresso.
No crema and the coffee is either too weak (not tamping the coffee is
a likely cause) or was prepared too fast or too slowly or at a too
high or too low temperature, the latter resulting in bitterness or
sourness. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso

Reading this article I did actually learn that I should consume the
cup quickly. I thought I was so cool with my double-walled insulated
cups!

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 10:36 pm
From: The Real Bev

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
>
>>I once drank half a cup of hot water before it occurred to me that it
>>was AWFULLY weak. Hey, it was a brown cup, bite me!
>
>>I am ingrigued by the desire for 'froth' or 'bubbles' in a cup of strong
>>coffee. Why is this feature worth extra money?
>
> The crema is an indication of the quality of the underlying espresso.
> No crema and the coffee is either too weak (not tamping the coffee is
> a likely cause) or was prepared too fast or too slowly or at a too
> high or too low temperature, the latter resulting in bitterness or
> sourness. See:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso

OK, now I'm curious about this new religion. Next time I see a Bialetti
pot at a yard sale for a buck I'm going to buy it.

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Cheers,
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you put it into the body of a great white shark, suddenly
you're a madman." --Futurama

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 4:07 pm
From: The Real Bev

fruitpie wrote:

> Oh Dennis, you are evil. I don't exactly have any questions yet but I
> am sure I will. I hope to move to Mexico in the next 15 months (to
> retire) and will want to look into different ways to use energy when
> building a home.

Can non-citizens actually own property in Mexico now?

> But, with the way things are in the states right
> now, it may be longer then 15 months before I retire. Thanks for the
> filter suggestion. I will have to try that.

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Cheers, Bev
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:44 pm
From: Red Green

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6p2bhtF6359rU1@mid.individual.net:

> "Red Green" wrote in message
>>
>> ...Probably cost a fortune to make refrigs that could use piped in
>> air from outside. And the further south you are the longer the
>> ROI breakeven.
>>
>
> A new energy saving project for me!
>
> I thought the doorbell project was about the last thing I could do
> around my house to save any more on my electric bill... Until I read
> your post above!
>
> What a great idea! Actually I have a crawl space and it is quite cold
> down there in the fall/winter/spring. And I also like fresh air. And
> my refrigerator uses a fan to blow air over the condenser coil...
>
> So how about a vent from the crawl space attached to an air intake on
> the bottom of my refrigerator? I imagine one of those 4" flexible
> dryer hoses would be a large enough vent for this?

Bad idea. Musty air. Could pull in some nasty bio crud as well. Then
there's the wildlife under there!

>
> Anyway cold air would come in the dryer vent hose from a 4" hole
> drilled in the floor, then the refrigerator would not need to work as
> hard.
>
> Then I would get fresh warm air each time the refrigerator ran.
>
> Problems with this are that some refrigerators do not have fans, just
> a coil on the back. I suppose you could build an insulated chamber
> which exposed the back to the outside air for this? Better yet would
> be the back and sides of the refrigerator as well.
>
> Then also some houses are sealed so tight these days, they would not
> allow any air to be blown into the house because there would be no
> exit. I suppose you could exhaust the air back into the crawl space.
>
> Or if the exit air vent was on one side of the house, and the wind was
> blowing toward that vent, there might be positive air pressure coming
> into the exit vent and this would cause the fan to not be able to blow
> air over the condenser coils or air might flow backwards.
>
> Anyway something to think about. Maybe new homes could have a
> refrigerator chamber exposed to the outside via vents or refrigerators
> could have optional connection(s) for 4" (or whatever) flexible hose
> to connect to the crawlspace/outside. (Like a dryer does.)
>
> A screen or air filter on the vent openings would be a good idea.
>
>

The frig makers wouldn't like it. They'd have to make an eco and non-eco
version of RFs' for different climates. Then the home construction
industry would have to start allowing for it in design and construction.
Then there's the consumer aspect. "You want a $400 frig or the same bare
boes thing in eco for $800?. Or, you can get a really nice non-eco one
with bells and whistles for 800.".

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:20 pm
From: Jeffrey Laventure

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:37:00 -0800, Truly Stunned wrote
(in article <violin-DA361D.22370021112008@news.supernews.com>):

> In article <iCHVk.832$ve.264@newsfe23.iad>,
> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>> Furthermore -
>>
>> UAW employees also receive the following extraordinary provisions:
>>
>> * 30-and-Out contracts. UAW employees work under a 30-and-Out
>> contract that allows them to retire with generous pension benefits
>> after 30 years on the job, irrespective of age.
>> * Seven weeks' vacation. A Chrysler worker with 15 years' tenure was
>> entitled to 34.5 paid holidays and vacation days in 2006--seven
>> weeks in paid time off. This is three weeks more paid vacation
>> than the average private sector
>> worker with similar tenure.
>> * Paid not to work. Under UAW contracts, workers whom the automakers
>> let go when plants close are not laid off. Instead, after
>> exhausting regular unemployment payments from the automakers and
>> the government, they are transferred to a JOBS bank where they are
>> paid nearly full wages to not work.
>
> Hmm. Did the unions negotiate in a vacuum? What weapon was held to the
> head of the manufacturers to force them to agree to these terms? Perhaps
> the Big Three were not interested in the long-term effects of their
> negotiations because they knew if the day came when their companies were
> truly threatened, they could simply declare bankruptcy (if the
> government refused to fund their shortsightedness) and walk away.
> Meanwhile there was all that money to be made crushing electric vehicles.

Are you old enough to remember an auto workers strikes? It wasn't that long
ago that steel workers found themselves in the same situation as auto workers
are now in. The point is we can all point fingers but at the end of the day
it comes down to people will buy a quality product for the best price. BTW,
it wasn't too long ago the auto makers were saying"buy American and put
America back to work". The drawback was the only people getting the work
was the auto repair shops.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 7:43 pm
From: Truly Stunned

In article <0001HW.C551F2670002389DB01AD9AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
Jeffrey Laventure <thinhthi@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Are you old enough to remember an auto workers strikes?

Yes. And while you have a point, farsighted leaders might have done
things differently. On both sides. Negotiations were only forced as far
as the negotiators allowed. Neither side was threatened by more than
their need for each other.

And in the end, it isn't the UAW coming in pompous self-importance (and
private jets) begging to the Congress, is it?

I leave the matter of whether the companies should get any public
largesse for their failure (and it is the companies' failure- the
employees didn't dig this particular grave) to better minds than mine.
But I reserve the right to wholly disrespect the outcome and the
reasoning used to arrive at it.

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