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Tuesday, November 25, 2008

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TOPIC: Laundry hints and tips
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:46 pm
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TOPIC: (Business Week) The crooks already stealing the bailout money..
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 2:34 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:26:11 +0000, Stray Dog
<sdog2008@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:

>
>Business Week, Dec 1, 2008 cover article "The Subprime Wolves are
>back--and they are feeding off the bailout"
>
>
>page 36: subtitle: "the new game is FHA-backed loand and it could cost
>taxpayers billions more"
>
>plus six pages of text, figures, and sidebars.
>
>So, bountiful moneyharvest for the few rich, the majority of the rest of
>us get the depression.
>
Faggots and maggots in Congress sit on their hands; fat-assed publics
wanders about looking for "special deals" on Super Burgers.

At least email your folks in Congress and bitch:

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress

ted

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 2:36 am
From: Prime Minister Serge Grishenkoff

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TOPIC: Doorbell always uses electricity!
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:05 am
From: "Bill"

"Red Green" wrote in message
>
> ...Probably cost a fortune to make refrigs that could use piped in air
> from outside. And the further south you are the longer the
> ROI breakeven.
>

A new energy saving project for me!

I thought the doorbell project was about the last thing I could do around my
house to save any more on my electric bill... Until I read your post above!

What a great idea! Actually I have a crawl space and it is quite cold down
there in the fall/winter/spring. And I also like fresh air. And my
refrigerator uses a fan to blow air over the condenser coil...

So how about a vent from the crawl space attached to an air intake on the
bottom of my refrigerator? I imagine one of those 4" flexible dryer hoses
would be a large enough vent for this?

Anyway cold air would come in the dryer vent hose from a 4" hole drilled in
the floor, then the refrigerator would not need to work as hard.

Then I would get fresh warm air each time the refrigerator ran.

Problems with this are that some refrigerators do not have fans, just a coil
on the back. I suppose you could build an insulated chamber which exposed
the back to the outside air for this? Better yet would be the back and sides
of the refrigerator as well.

Then also some houses are sealed so tight these days, they would not allow
any air to be blown into the house because there would be no exit. I suppose
you could exhaust the air back into the crawl space.

Or if the exit air vent was on one side of the house, and the wind was
blowing toward that vent, there might be positive air pressure coming into
the exit vent and this would cause the fan to not be able to blow air over
the condenser coils or air might flow backwards.

Anyway something to think about. Maybe new homes could have a refrigerator
chamber exposed to the outside via vents or refrigerators could have
optional connection(s) for 4" (or whatever) flexible hose to connect to the
crawlspace/outside. (Like a dryer does.)

A screen or air filter on the vent openings would be a good idea.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:36 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:22:33 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
> Klipstein) wrote:
> >In <40c66d71-3ccd-4ec0-9c63-d8a772443a55@x14g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> >meow2222@care2.com wrote:
> >
> >>Jim Redelfs wrote:
> ><SNIP what was already said>
> >>
> >>The other point worth making is that the power and cost figures for
> >>standby power are routinely exaggerated.
> >
> > The ones I mentioned in this thread are actual measurements. I have a
> >watt meter!

I believe you already said that. Its good to have real figures.

> I have quite an assortment of "wall warts" and other assorted power
> supplies for devices that have been discarded over the years.
>
> All of them work.
> I tested 19 of them for idle current draw on a digital meter that
> reeds to the closes 0.01 amp.
> 6 of the 19 registered no parasitic draw at all, and the rest varied
> from .02 to .06 amps

Unfortunately its not current that counts, but power. Idle current on
transformers does not havea power factor of 1.

> Additionally:
>
> My PC draws .05A
> The charger for my Craftsman battery drill draws 0.05A
>
> Both battery chargers for nicads / nimh batteries showed no idle
> current at all.
>
> A 200watt Variac shows no draw at all.

sounds like your meter's faulty

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:36 am
From: Sam E

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:01:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>
>>> Wrong. It always refers to what you listed above.
>
>> That's one of the many varieties of "always" that are strangely non-inclusive.
>
>I meant to say 'also' not 'always'. I dont proof read my posts.
>

That's much better.

>> Maybe you've never heard of "switching regulators",
>
>Fraid so.
>
>> but I have a lot.
>
>> The AC-to-AC converter allows a smaller, lighter transformer
>> (which I expect draws less power with 0 load)..
>
>You dont know they are AC to AC.
>

Power to the wall-wart is AC. The load on that converter is a
transformer, which REQUIRES AC. A transformer will not work with DC.

>> Perhaps you mistake "low power" for "no power".
>
>I never said anything about no power.
>

The quote I responded to is "They dont have any transformer that uses
power all the time". That's the "no power".

After writing that I realized that the transformer could be eliminated
by operating the voltage regulator on line voltage (possibly practical
with a switching regulator). That would eliminate the transformer, as
well as the (input / output) isolation which is required for safety.

>> That sort of mistake is very common.
>
>There is no mistake except with the use of the word always.
>

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:36 am
From: Jim Redelfs

In article <slrngik9fg.2cu.don@manx.misty.com>,
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

> toasters (virtually 100% efficient, BTW)

> At what?

Heating.

> How much of the heat heats the target and how much goes
> elsewhere? Especially when it is air conditioning season?

That does not affect the efficiency of the heat production. What
HAPPENS to the heat is not germane to my claim of 100% efficiency.

Your points, of course, are well considered AND considerable if
operating cooling equipment within the same environment.

The electric furnace I owned for 13-years was likewise efficient. If
one turned-off the lights at night and peered into the device, dim light
could be seen - waste light.
--
:)
JR

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:45 am
From: Jim Redelfs

In article <slrngimm3q.9h9.don@manx.misty.com>,
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

>> At .10/kWh, that amounts to ~$26.30/year.

> And if I can reduce that by 60-75% or so with 2-3 power strips?

<ahem> More POWER to you!
--
:)
JR

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:53 am
From: Jim Redelfs

In article <slrngimnp2.9h9.don@manx.misty.com>,
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:

> I see sanity rather than insanity to buy a couple power strips
> to chip down electric bill by $2 per month!

That's not "insane".

Instead, I PREFER to spend that $2/month rather than have to remember to
close the power strip switch every time I wish to watch TV or use
whatever else is connected to the power strip - that used to be
connected full-time and available without second thought. That is the
price I willingly pay for such convenience.

> I also see how such contention of mine does not dispute need
> to reduce energy consumption in "more major" areas!

How about "reduce INCREASING energy consumption"?

Conservation will not actually REDUCE the level of consumption. It will
only reduce the INCREASE and, perhaps unfortunately, not by much.

Also, the "need" to reduce is debatable.
--
:)
JR

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:37 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:36:33 -0800 (PST), meow2222@care2.com wrote:

>cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:22:33 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
>> Klipstein) wrote:
>> >In <40c66d71-3ccd-4ec0-9c63-d8a772443a55@x14g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>> >meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>Jim Redelfs wrote:
>> ><SNIP what was already said>
>> >>
>> >>The other point worth making is that the power and cost figures for
>> >>standby power are routinely exaggerated.
>> >
>> > The ones I mentioned in this thread are actual measurements. I have a
>> >watt meter!
>
>I believe you already said that. Its good to have real figures.
>
>
>> I have quite an assortment of "wall warts" and other assorted power
>> supplies for devices that have been discarded over the years.
>>
>> All of them work.
>> I tested 19 of them for idle current draw on a digital meter that
>> reeds to the closes 0.01 amp.
>> 6 of the 19 registered no parasitic draw at all, and the rest varied
>> from .02 to .06 amps
>
>Unfortunately its not current that counts, but power. Idle current on
>transformers does not havea power factor of 1.

True, as I stared before - however if there is no CURRENT draw, there
is no POWER. The ones that draw no current consume no power. Those
that draw .o5A consume somewhat less than the calculated 5.85 watts at
117 volts.
>
>
>> Additionally:
>>
>> My PC draws .05A
>> The charger for my Craftsman battery drill draws 0.05A
>>
>> Both battery chargers for nicads / nimh batteries showed no idle
>> current at all.
>>
>> A 200watt Variac shows no draw at all.
>
>sounds like your meter's faulty

Nope. 0 amps indicated means less than 0.01 amp. As I clearly stated,
accurate to 0.01 amp.
>
>
>NT

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TOPIC: OT: Happy Thanksgiving
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:41 am
From: Rick

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:46 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Nov 21, 7:27 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2:31 pm, Jennifer <imran.kha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > learn to prevent diseases and reverse any diseases athttp://www.cidpusa.org
> > All the diseases are caused by your own immune functions gone astray
> > by drugs, surgeries, diet and vaccination
>
> Seems like quackery to me. Anything that purportedly cures everything,
> cures nothing.

I agree that no one thing can cure everything, but I also know that
doctors are trained to treat syptoms rather than find the underlying
cause of the problem. I also agree that the vast majority of chronic
"illnesses" are really just the body's attempt to cope with something
you're doing to poison it. Auto-immune diseases, for example, are
caused by an allergy to something you are eating or surrounded by.
Figure out what that substance is (it's most often wheat) and avoid
it, and you won't have to take drugs which can cause lymphoma, among
other deadly "side effects". All the doctors want to do, however, is
write scripts, because that's all they know how to do. It's not like
they get anything more than a cursory training in nutrition.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 5:48 am
From: curly'q

'nam vet. wrote:

> We have the wood stove and it's Radiant Heat. we love it and wood warms
> you many times ; getting it, cutting it, stacking and burning it.

One year in the last 25 we didn't burn wood in our little Jotul 602 and
it was the most miserable winter ever......no matter how high we turned
up the stat we were never comforted.

> I hope everyone has discovered flannel sheets for the bed.

I found what I think is one better the flannel. The microfiber fleece
sheet set I just bought for $40 at T.J. Maxx (queen size) are softer
then flannel, and feel like they are putting out their own heat! How
will they hold up?.........we'll find out.

Wonderful.
> And we make our own Polar fleece hats. A lot of your body heat goes out
> through you head.
> And every year we do an additional thing to lower our carbon foot-print.
> Insulate, more double glazing if needed. etc.
> Good luck, group. and wear brighter more colorful clothing. Keeps the
> spirits up. and Smile at someone you pass on the street. They'll wonder
> what you're up to.

I like the way you think.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:06 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>> single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost $14.99)
>
> And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
> the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
> these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
> that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism... "Mr. Coffee"
> indeed!

I find that my Melitta cone with reusable filter works fine and doesn't
cost anywhere near $200.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Loyalty to petrified opinion never broke a chain or freed a human soul.
-Mark Twain

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:49 am
From: Gary Indiana

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:06:14 -0500, Evelyn Leeper wrote:

> NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
>> Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>>> single-serve coffee brewer - $200 (my four-cup Mr. Coffee cost $14.99)
>>
>> And if you happen to be a yuppie rushing off to his power job raping
>> the economy what use are the other 3 cups? Let's also not forget that
>> these "single serve" items are puck machines so the speed of making
>> that one cup vastly exceeds your el-cheapo anachronism... "Mr. Coffee"
>> indeed!
>
> I find that my Melitta cone with reusable filter works fine and doesn't
> cost anywhere near $200.

Gotcha' both beat. For coffee I heat a cup of water in the microwave and
add a spoon of freeze-dried coffee. For espresso I add two extra spoons
and for cappuccino I add two more on top of that and float some cool-whip
on the top.

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TOPIC: Bailout costs every taxpayer $24,000.00. Are Americans just fat sheeple?

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:17 am
From: Mark B

On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> ample butts while accepting the
> theft of their money?
>
> ted

Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 6:51 am
From: "tomorrow@erols.com"

On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
> > ample butts while accepting the
> > theft of their money?
>
> > ted
>
> Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.

Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.

Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 7:33 am
From: dustin

tomorrow@erols.com explained on 11/25/2008 :
> On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
>>> ample butts while accepting the
>>> theft of their money?
>>
>>> ted
>>
>> Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>
> Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
> returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
> FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
> taxpayer. Of course, it probably won't end at $700 billion, either.
>
> Don't worry, though, the government has printing presses. And they
> can, if need be, run them in triple shifts.

Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)

The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
every
man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
mortgages

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 7:58 am
From: Ron Peterson

On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)

> The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
> every
> man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
> spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
> Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
> mortgages

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...

Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
executives, or somebody else?

--
Ron

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:15 am
From: clams_casino

tomorrow@erols.com wrote:

>On Nov 25, 9:17 am, Mark B <mark_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Nov 24, 10:33 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is it not interesting that the masses wander about scratching their
>>>ample butts while accepting the
>>>theft of their money?
>>>
>>>
>>>ted
>>>
>>>
>>Actually, It's $2,333.33 if you figure $700B / 300M people.
>>
>>
>
>Except not all 300M are taxpayers. Something like 120M file tax
>returns, but of those, only about 80M actually PAY taxes (other than
>FICA and Medicare). Still, that only works out to $8,750 per
>taxpayer.
>

Where do all these people who pay no taxes live..... other than
perhaps AK where everyone gets a welfare check?

Other than residents of AK, I 'm not sure anyone, except some on
medicaid in a nursing home pays NO taxes.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:21 am
From: dustin

It happens that Ron Peterson formulated :
> On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>
>> The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>> every
>> man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>> spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>> Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>> mortgages
>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>
> Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
> executives, or somebody else?

From an auditor's point of view, there is no difference between actual
debt or guaranteeing the debt of others.

an update to the original news item follows:

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government is prepared to provide more
than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing
$306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. The pledges, amounting
to half the value of everything produced in the nation last year, are
intended to rescue the financial system after the credit markets seized
up 15 months ago.

The unprecedented pledge of funds includes $3.18 trillion already
tapped by financial institutions in the biggest response to an economic
emergency since the New Deal of the 1930s, according to data compiled
by Bloomberg. The commitment dwarfs the plan approved by lawmakers, the
Treasury Department's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program.
Federal Reserve lending last week was 1,900 times the weekly average
for the three years before the crisis.

When Congress approved the TARP on Oct. 3, Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke
and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson acknowledged the need for
transparency and oversight. Now, as regulators commit far more money
while refusing to disclose loan recipients or reveal the collateral
they are taking in return, some Congress members are calling for the
Fed to be reined in.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:24 am
From: clams_casino

Ron Peterson wrote:

>On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>>every
>>man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>>spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>>Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>>mortgages
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>>
>>
>
>Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
>executives, or somebody else?
>
>--
> Ron
>
>
>
Pro athletes. Essentially every major financial institution getting
bailout money is using it to put their name on a sports stadium so the
players can get their multi million dollar pay checks.

Without the bailout money, for example, Citibank won't be able to spend
$400M to get their name on the new stadium for the Yankees.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 25 2008 8:42 am
From: "Jason"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:OEVWk.161$VX5.1@newsfe14.iad...
> Ron Peterson wrote:
>
>>On Nov 25, 9:33 am, dustin <dustinjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Fed Pledges Top $7.4 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit (Update1)
>>>
>>
>>
>>>The money that's been pledged, so far, is equivalent to $24,000 for
>>>every
>>>man,woman and child in the country. It's nine times what the U.S. has
>>>spentso far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional
>>>Budget Office figures. It could pay off more than half the country's
>>>mortgages
>>>
>>
>>
>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refe...
>>>
>>
>>Who is getting the bailout money? Is it the stockholders, bondholders,
>>executives, or somebody else?
>>
>>--
>> Ron
>>
>>
> Pro athletes. Essentially every major financial institution getting
> bailout money is using it to put their name on a sports stadium so the
> players can get their multi million dollar pay checks.
>
> Without the bailout money, for example, Citibank won't be able to spend
> $400M to get their name on the new stadium for the Yankees.

a list of recipients that have been disclosed , so far, is shown at the
following

http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/recipients/table?scp=4&sq=recipients%20of%20bailout&st=cse

Dozens of banks and a handful of insurers have applied for funds from the
Treasury Department as part of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief
Program. The Treasury has transferred capital to 30 of these companies and
to A.I.G. More are expected to announce their participation in the coming
weeks.

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