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Monday, December 29, 2008

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TOPIC: Cheap Minutes For My Prepaid T-Mobile Cell Phone Account?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 11:48 pm
From: SMS

Tiziano wrote:
> I will soon have to purchase some more minutes for my pre-paid T-Mobile
> cell phone account. (I have what T-Mobile calls a Pay-As-You-Go plan.)
>
> T-Mobile offers 1,000 minutes for $100.00. Is it possible to purchase
> that many minutes somewhere else at a cheaper price? And if I do
> purchase minutes from some source other than T-Mobile, will I lose any
> of the features offered by my plan?
>
> Note: I would really like to keep the discussion focused on my wanting
> to purchase additional minutes for my T-Mobile pre-paid account at a
> cheaper price. I am not interested in hearing how AT&T, Verizon, or
> whoever plans are much better/cheaper/clearer/cover more areas/have more
> features etc. etc. etc.

Target often has sales on the $100 card for $80.

Other than that, look for a coupon code for callingmart.com, i.e.
"ca3p-1207" or "hpyxmas".

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TOPIC: Has Anyone Tried L.E.D. Lightbulbs For Their Home?
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 12:58 am
From: IRON MONKEY

On Dec 28, 11:47 am, starrfl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> 30,000 hours, etc.
> Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.

yes the leds work great , just be shure to use a low voltage
drip ,dimmer.
this will increase the life of you'r led lights.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 7:07 am
From: Marsha

Jeff wrote:
> Most of my electric bill is not lighting, at least since I
switched to
> CFLs and shut off unneeded lights. Refrigerators and particularly your
> water heater are where to look. You can't really get a more efficient
> water heater, but you can get a blanket and consider solar hot water.
>
> Jeff

Does a water heater blanket really save much? I've thought about
getting one, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Marsha/Ohio

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 7:43 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 28, 9:06 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> starrfl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> > saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> > cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> > 30,000 hours, etc.
>
> Now, where's Don Klipstein when you need him!
>
> Efficiency of stock LEDs is not quite up to CFLs, though some
> leading edge LEDs are in the neighborhood. CFLs are your best deal for
> household lighting, and LEDs for flashlights.
>
> Most of my electric bill is not lighting, at least since I switched
> to CFLs and shut off unneeded lights. Refrigerators and particularly
> your water heater are where to look. You can't really get a more
> efficient water heater, but you can get a blanket and consider solar hot
> water.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> > Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> > online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> > light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> > Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> > light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> > Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> > quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> > possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> > Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> > raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> > pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> > worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

actually CFL's save in the range of 50 to 70 pct compared to
incandescent (depends if its cool white or warm white cfl, warm white
is full spectrum light a lot healthier but its not as efficient...
LED's are 90 to 97% more efficient than incandescent. However LEDs
are not full spectrum light not even close)

Phil scott, electrical engineer

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 7:45 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 29, 7:07 am, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
> > Most of my electric bill is not lighting, at least since I
> switched to
>
> > CFLs and shut off unneeded lights. Refrigerators and particularly your
> > water heater are where to look. You can't really get a more efficient
> > water heater, but you can get a blanket and consider solar hot water.
>
> > Jeff
>
> Does a water heater blanket really save much? I've thought about
> getting one, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.
>
> Marsha/Ohio

it will pay back in under a year in cold weather, you can use any old
fiber glass batt insul to do the job,

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 7:47 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 28, 8:34 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tomes wrote:
> > <starrfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> >> saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> >> cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> >> 30,000 hours, etc.
> >> Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> >> online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> >> light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> >> Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> >> light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> >> Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> >> quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> >> possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> >> Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> >> raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> >> pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> >> worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.
>
> > I tried this experiment, for what it is worth.
> > I swapped out one of the rear backup lightbulbs for a 5 cell(?) LED light
> > [the biggest one that would fit into the enclosure] and left the other one
> > in place. While looking at the Jeep from the rear it appears to be much
> > brighter. I thought 'well this is something good'. However, when I am
> > inside the Jeep and backing up I see very little from the LED side behind
> > me.
>
> > My conclusion here is that the LED looks brighter when one is looking at it,
> > but it does not 'throw' the light out well at all in that situation. My
> > quest for lighting up the area of backing up failed with the LED.
>
> A friend gave me a single-AA-cell LED (no idea how many individual bulbs)
> flashlight that gives a 1" circle of extremely bright light 6" away and a 6'
> circle of bright light 30 feet away. Not much spill. I'm amazed at how really
> good it is.
>
> Still, $80 for a 100-watt light bulb is not exactly competitive, especially
> since we don't actually use all that much electricity for light. CFs will have
> to do for a while.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> "When I was in college, the only job I could get was
> shitting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
> but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
> -- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

try ebay for cheap LED's and try some in the 40 watt equivalent
range, those might be in the 10 dollar or less range per bulb
those prices are coming down fast

Phil scott

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 8:47 am
From: luminousviews@gmail.com

On Dec 28, 6:01 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 9:47 am, starrfl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> > saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> > cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> > 30,000 hours, etc.
> > Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> > online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> > light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> > Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> > light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> > Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> > quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> > possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> > Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> > raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> > pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> > worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.
>
> Dr John Ott wrote a book about 30 years ago on the liability of not
> getting enough broad spectrum light, sun light or incandescent bulb
> light..otherwise LED's have to be the best thing since sliced bread in
> this energy market and with the price of LED's dropping... Id make
> sure I had one or two incandescent bulbs running near a commonly used
> table or chair a few hours each evening, esp if I was home bound or it
> was winter. In the summer most people get enough natural light..its
> an actual vital nutrient, among other things natural light allows the
> body to make vitamin D... lack of light is recognised in alaska
> winters as a serrous problem, causes depression. (even in the old
> days with incandescent bulbs)..its worth some investigation.
>
> Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

FYI:
Interior light levels are typically so low as to make Mr Ott's
conclusions irrelevent. This is why light therapy boxes are so bright,
and why only the large ones are effective.

Getting outside or sit near a window will do more for you than
changing all your lights!

-----
RickR
(Lighting Consultant for 25 years)

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 9:30 am
From: me@privacy.net

phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>actually CFL's save in the range of 50 to 70 pct compared to
>incandescent (depends if its cool white or warm white cfl, warm white
>is full spectrum light a lot healthier but its not as efficient...
>LED's are 90 to 97% more efficient than incandescent. However LEDs
>are not full spectrum light not even close)

Does it make any sense to switch from CFL back to
incandescent in winter time so that the bulbs will help
HEAT the house as well as light it?

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 9:40 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

me@privacy.net wrote:
> phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
>
>> actually CFL's save in the range of 50 to 70 pct compared to
>> incandescent (depends if its cool white or warm white cfl, warm white
>> is full spectrum light a lot healthier but its not as efficient...
>> LED's are 90 to 97% more efficient than incandescent. However LEDs
>> are not full spectrum light not even close)
>
> Does it make any sense to switch from CFL back to
> incandescent in winter time so that the bulbs will help
> HEAT the house as well as light it?

Not really--the bulbs are a very inefficient way to heat the house.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 10:42 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 29, 9:30 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> >actually CFL's save in the range of 50 to 70 pct compared to
> >incandescent (depends if its cool white or warm white cfl, warm white
> >is full spectrum light a lot healthier but its not as efficient...
> >LED's are 90 to 97% more efficient than incandescent. However LEDs
> >are not full spectrum light not even close)
>
> Does it make any sense to switch from CFL back to
> incandescent in winter time so that the bulbs will help
> HEAT the house as well as light it?

your question is generally well founded... exceptions revolve around
the cost of your current heat source.

an extreme exception to your view would be if the home is currently
heated with ground source heat pump.. electric light bulb heat is
vastly more expensive in that isolated case.

Phil scott

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 10:47 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 29, 8:47 am, luminousvi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 28, 6:01 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 9:47 am, starrfl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I've seen a lot about L.E.D. lightbulbs being the new thing in
> > > saving energy. Tales like you could light up an entire house for the
> > > cost of running one incandescent bulb. The bulbs last from 10,000 to
> > > 30,000 hours, etc.
> > > Right now, Home Depot is offering an all-white L.E.D. bulb
> > > online. So far as I can tell, you'd only get the equivalent of the
> > > light you'd get from one 20 watt incandescent bulb. Pretty dim, to me.
> > > Some bulbs giving the equivalent of 60 to 100 watt incandescdent
> > > light are available, but list prices are from $80 to $100 a bulb.
> > > Has anyone tried this lighting in their home? If so, is the
> > > quality of light satisfactory? I've seen some articles on the
> > > possibility of too much blue wave light from these bulbs.
> > > Our local electric company is raising their rates next year, to
> > > raise money so they _might_ build a nuclear power plant. I'd love to
> > > pay less on my electric bill by using these bulbs, if they really
> > > worked. I'm already turning off my water heater.
>
> > Dr John Ott wrote a book about 30 years ago on the liability of not
> > getting enough broad spectrum light, sun light or incandescent bulb
> > light..otherwise LED's have to be the best thing since sliced bread in
> > this energy market and with the price of LED's dropping... Id make
> > sure I had one or two incandescent bulbs running near a commonly used
> > table or chair a few hours each evening, esp if I was home bound or it
> > was winter. In the summer most people get enough natural light..its
> > an actual vital nutrient, among other things natural light allows the
> > body to make vitamin D... lack of light is recognised in alaska
> > winters as a serrous problem, causes depression. (even in the old
> > days with incandescent bulbs)..its worth some investigation.
>
> > Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> FYI:
> Interior light levels are typically so low as to make Mr Ott's
> conclusions irrelevent. This is why light therapy boxes are so bright,
> and why only the large ones are effective.
>
> Getting outside or sit near a window will do more for you than
> changing all your lights!
>
> -----
> RickR
> (Lighting Consultant for 25 years)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you sound completely well informed and are no doubt correct in your
remarks ....a few incandescent bulbs might well not be of benefit for
a person in need of therapeutic levels of natural light... however it
might be that the light bulbs would keep the average person out of
trouble to some degree... john Ott mentioned that in some aspect or
the other but it was 30 years ago that i read the book... technology
and research no doubt has advanced since then.

Phil scott

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 2:49 am
From: Al Nakba

On Dec 27, 12:57 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> "Dayafter Today" <G...@suckz.net> wrote in message
>
> news:rjw5l.10324$Ei5.909@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> > <wis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:pd1dl45kcc961ukb27bfof0e7unitbn60v@4ax.com...
> >>http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> >> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> >> ted
>
> > Who cares?
>
> Not so sure if Abraham Lincoln was a U.S. citizen!
>
> Obama Detractor's List
>
> Barack Hussein Obama is:
>
> Muslim
> Evangelist supporter
> Jewish President
> Socialist
> Communist
> Marxist
> Homosexual
> Anti-homosexual
> Gun Grabber
> Not Black enough
> Too Black
> Foreigner non citizen
> Supports revolutionaries
> Baby killer
> Anti-abortion
> Change White House to Black House
> Hires only Muslims for cabinet
> Hires only Blacks for cabinet
> War monger
> Will give citizenship to Chicanos
> Take your money and give it to others
> Increase your taxes
> Close up all the churches
> Keep you from your own doctor
> Controlled by the press
> Controlled by the Zionists
> Plans to destroy the USA
> His 9 million dollar vacation
> Will talk to Iranians
> Was named Barry Soetoro
> Has no birth certificate
> Is really Osama bin Laden

his father flew the coop but obama was reared by frank davis..

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 4:06 am
From: Liberal Whisperer

On Dec 27, 2:37 pm, "Dayafter Today" <G...@suckz.net> wrote:
> <wis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:pd1dl45kcc961ukb27bfof0e7unitbn60v@4ax.com...
>
> >http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> > This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> > ted
>
> Who cares?

You would if Barry was a white Republican.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 4:39 am
From: joe

Liberal Whisperer wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2:37 pm, "Dayafter Today" <G...@suckz.net> wrote:
>> <wis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pd1dl45kcc961ukb27bfof0e7unitbn60v@4ax.com...
>>
>>> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>>> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>>> ted
>> Who cares?
>
> You would if Barry was a white Republican.

they'd want to tar and feather him if he was a republican. [which I
predict he will act more like than he will act like a dumocRAT once he
has fooled the dumb masses and skated from illegal alien to POTUS]

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 3:18 am
From: ultimauw@live.com

http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/krc12_08.html

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TOPIC: I sure do want my penny!
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 7:28 am
From: "Bill"

I purchased something at a store for $1.49 and gave the cashier $1.50.

She put the money in her cash drawer and then just stared at me.

I stared back.

After about 10 seconds, she says... "Do you want your penny?"

I said.. "I sure do want my penny!"

She then reluctantly gave me my penny change...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 8:10 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Dec 29, 10:28 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I purchased something at a store for $1.49 and gave the cashier $1.50.
>
> She put the money in her cash drawer and then just stared at me.
>
> I stared back.
>
> After about 10 seconds, she says... "Do you want your penny?"
>
> I said.. "I sure do want my penny!"
>
> She then reluctantly gave me my penny change...

That is odd. I know a penny is not worth a cent any more, but it's the
principle of the thing. We expect our correct change. Some places
keep a donation canister there for charity in case people care to
donate excess change. The change must be offered to the customer. I
chalk it up to poor training and possibly youth. You provided no
details so that's all I can go on.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 8:17 am
From: Donna

MSfortune@mcpmail.com wrote in news:c473f1ef-d27c-42d1-9192-99897e8cd764
@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> The change must be offered to the customer. I
> chalk it up to poor training and possibly youth.

A penny is seen as 1 cent rather than 1/100 of a dollar. I want my pennies
too.

--
~Donna A~
http://www.frugalsewing.com
http://www.thesewingdictionary.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 9:17 am
From: "'nam vet."

In article <Xns9B8372C7E78ACdonnaixnayontheamspa@69.16.185.250>,
Donna <donna@ixnayontheamspaycroakerwoods.com> wrote:

> MSfortune@mcpmail.com wrote in news:c473f1ef-d27c-42d1-9192-99897e8cd764
> @d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > The change must be offered to the customer. I
> > chalk it up to poor training and possibly youth.
>
> A penny is seen as 1 cent rather than 1/100 of a dollar. I want my pennies
> too.

do you remember the movie starring Weird Al.? no not Gore.
VH-1
the beggar gets one penny from the rich bastard and goes into this
outrageous thank yous.
turns out the penny was very rare and valuable . funny!
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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TOPIC: Anyone here have a digital projector?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c0e2c1a4f21aba74?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 8:31 am
From: OhioGuy

I just bought an Optoma DLP projector. ($299 at Fry's) I've always
wanted one of these to watch the occasional movie on, but never went
ahead and bought one until now. It arrived this morning. Although the
literature says that the bulb should last 3,000 to 4,000 hours, the
warranty on the bulb is only 90 days, so I'm a little worried.

Considering the high cost of replacement bulbs (this one costs
roughly about the same as I paid new for the entire unit), I was
wondering if any of you folks out there who actually have owned one of
these things could give me suggestions on making it last?

In other words, do you have any tips for things I can do to make it
less likely that the bulb will fail early? The only idea I have so far
is to limit it to watching DVD's. (rather than regular TV)

When you've had your bulb fail, what caused it? I guess that could
help me know what to avoid.

Thanks!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 9:41 am
From: skarkada@gmail.com

We don't have a DLP projector, but we have a DLP TV. Our TV is about 5
years old and we were also worried about the bulb at that time. The
original bulb in our TV is still working fine and it is still bright.
Our TV produces colorful and brighter pictures than many other HD
projection TVs owned by our friends.

We don't keep the TV on all day long even though it is the main TV (in
the living room). It is probably on for about 15 hours a week.

I think you should just enjoy your projector and not worry about the
bulb's life.

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TOPIC: Wanna be depressed?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d7707daeed27d957?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 11:01 am
From: Tom

Mark Anderson wrote:
> This is a generic problem with ebay. There are too many, perhaps the
> vast majority, of sellers who try and sell their used junk for more than
> what you can by new. The computer section of Craigslist is similar if
> not worse. Now whenever I need some electronic doodad I just go over to
> my local brick and mortar Microcenter and buy it hassle free, and
> probably cheaper too.

You could find out a typical price using Google Shopping, Overclockers
UK, Ebuyer or even Microcenter etc. and then buy it cheaper from ebay.

In case it's expensive on Ebay, Ebuyer and Overclockers are usually
cheaper than brick and mortar shops, though it's arguably less hassle free.

--
Tom

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TOPIC: if you want to suffer from viruses every day
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/510cd3701046bca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 11:08 am
From: Tom

MSfortune@mcpmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 28, 6:22 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> eltahelawimoney wrote:
>>> if you suffer of viruses every day go this url. download the best
>>> viruses software at all AVG anti-virus free edition 8.0.176
>> Hmm - someone posting from Africa is offering virus software? Is that
>> to rid or load the viruses?
>
> Naw. It's just a coincidence that the post is about AVG. These
> scammers look for ways to relate a post to the group in any lame way
> so they can project the url of their blog site. AVG itself is
> reputable. They simply have become user unfriendly in my book and
> better free software is available. But again, the op is not concerned
> in any way about helping anybody.

I recently switched from AVG to Avast on a friend's computer for similar
reasons.

You could try Ubuntu too, which I believe is a better operating system
to Windows, especially if you're largely concerned with viruses. You
have to spend a little bit of time learning how to do things "the Ubuntu
way" initially for some things. Most things, however, are pretty similar
to Windows.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

--
Tom

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TOPIC: poverty line
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 29 2008 11:15 am
From: JonL

James wrote:
> If you are at the line, what are you supposed to be able to do? Are
> you supposed to be able to afford a certain size apartment with heat,
> eat healthy, and dress warmly? Or is it just a number that qualifies
> you for welfare?

There's no level of affluence you're "supposed" to have. There should
be no official Poverty Line. Back in the Old days, peeps didn't know
they were poor, yet they survived.

"Let them eat cake"

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