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TOPIC: Your favorite free e-card?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 2:53 pm
From: The Real Bev

James wrote:
> Have you found a really good one that you would recommend?

Maybe. What's an e-card?

--
Cheers, Bev
==============================
All bleeding eventually stops.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 2:56 pm
From: "Bob F"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gi1ec2$j5r$3@news.motzarella.org...
> James wrote:
>> Have you found a really good one that you would recommend?
>
> Maybe. What's an e-card?

I think it is a way to give your friends e-mail addresses to companies so they
can sell them to spammers.

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TOPIC: Saving Money on Calendars
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 2:55 pm
From: The Real Bev

Evelyn Leeper wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> Macuser wrote:
>>> I get at least 4 calendars every year from charities that want a
>>> donation. Doesn't everybody? They from groups like the Wildlife
>>> Foundation and they're beautiful. You can make a donation to a
>>> likeminded charity and multiple calendars will start pouring in.
>> Along with untold thousands of begging letters from the charities the
>> first one sold your name to. When the "forward" on my mom's mail
>> expired, the post office kindly told all the charities the address to
>> which her mail had been forwarded, so now I receive all the begging
>> letters for her at MY address.
>>
>> The only good part is that I get at least one pre-stamped return
>> envelope each month, which stamps I cut off and glue to the few pieces
>> of mail I'm actually forced to send. I think I have a lifetime supply
>> of postage already.
>
> Why not use the envelope by pasting a new label over the address? (Make
> sure to black/white-out any bar codes on the front as well

Easier to clip off the stamp. Glue-sticks work just fine. Envelopes
are dirt cheap.

--
Cheers, Bev
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All bleeding eventually stops.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:45 pm
From: "Macuser"

Just look at the date on your computer. Who needs paper?

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"Thrift is sexy."

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TOPIC: how 'bout a "new' 1957 VW?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:05 pm
From: "'nam vet."

http://www.jps-motorsports.com/Gallery/source/blkoutlaw.html
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When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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TOPIC: Do not purchase a new Big 3 vehicle in 2009.
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:08 pm
From: BikeFan

So, the question is, are all those Detroit Big three leaders part of a
conspiracy to kill the Unions? Have they opened their books to PROVE
to Congress that they are busted?

--
BikeFan
To the GOP, Neocons and Bush from Oliver Cromwell:
"You have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing.
Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:22 pm
From: Eeyore

Rod Speed wrote:

> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > Perception is the game these days
>
> Like hell it is. The reality these days is that any decently designed car
> will last for decades with no maintenance whatever apart from tyres etc.

A little more than just tyres maybe. Brake discs / rotors, pads and shoes, windscreen wipers,
fluids, a change of good synthetic oil every 12,000 mi, miscellaneous oddball bits. Don't forget
the exhaust if not stainless.

But yes, you are fundamentally right. I've had no trouble getting 180k mi out of European cars. And
they were still basically decent runners at that point.

Graham

== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:41 pm
From: clams_casino

Brent wrote:

>On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Even if GM was able to provide a vehicle with equal (or even improved)
>>quality as Honda, Toyota & Nissan, I suspect it will take generations
>>before they'll be able to reverse their generally accepted reputation.
>>
>>
>
>After all of this you agree, it is perceptions rather than facts that
>are the driving factors.
>
>
>
>
No - I thought I was quite clear stating I was completely WRONG using
the word "perception".

Substitute "belief". A few seem to be believe (perception?) that GM is
making high quality vehicles, equal to better than their competition.
Many more "believe" they make inferior quality vehicles. The facts are
that they have been producing lower quality products for many years, as
strongly indicated by their 50% loss of market over perhaps 25 years.
They have a (well earned) reputation for inferior quality that will take
generations to overcome, assuming they are currently capable of
producing vehicles..

Then again, my point all along has been that it really doesn't matter
whether GM is able to produce vehicles of similar quality as their
competition. Most just aren't believing it's different ... this
time. There is a slim chance they might be, but one won't really know
for at least 10, maybe 20 years. Fewer and fewer are / will be willing
to take that remote chance.

== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:41 pm
From: clams_casino

Eeyore wrote:

>clams_casino wrote:
>
>
>
>>the invasion of Iraq was not properly planned
>>
>>
>
>It wasn't even justified ! Or do you still believe the lies ?
>
>Graham
>
>
>
Never did.

== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:47 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, Nate Nagel <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote:

> You forgot that at least the Camry is available with a manual
> transmission. The Malibu, despite its roots as an Opel, is not. That
> causes the PERCEPTION that GM doesn't care about car guys who want a
> small 4-door sedan.

That's not a perception, that's a fact. GM doesn't care about car guys
who want a small 4-door sedan. Or any sedan with an MT. To their
marketeers the only reason for an MT is because the buyer is 'cheap'.

== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:52 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <gi1a38$751$1@news.motzarella.org>,
> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2008-12-13, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> > In article <gi16re$6sr$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>> > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2008-12-13, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >> > In article <gi162g$pmt$3@news.motzarella.org>,
>> >> > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2008-12-13, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > In article <gi0oue$jrh$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>> >> >> > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Final cost of a Malibu vs Accord, for example may be similar in
>> >> >> >> > price
>> >> >> >> > off the lot. but the later will typically go 100k without
>> >> >> >> > significant
>> >> >> >> > maintenance and last typically twice as long, making it half the
>> >> >> >> > cost
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > the long run.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How much of that is reality and how much of it is perception?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Honda et al. have been very good at convincing buyers to actually
>> >> >> >> TAKE
>> >> >> >> CARE OF THEIR CARS. This makes a huge difference in the long run.
>> >> >> >> Equally cared for cars (and the requirements for a Ford or GM
>> >> >> >> product
>> >> >> >> aren't significantly different than for Honda or Toyota) is what is
>> >> >> >> required to make the comparison.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No. "Honda et al" have been very good at producing cars that don't
>> >> >> > *need* much care.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Who said "much" for either case? It's either it gets done or it
>> >> >> doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> > And Hondas ("et al") will be better if you treat each one the same.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ignore the maintenance or do it, the japanese cars will be more reliable
>> >> > than the american crap.
>> >>
>> >> Some of us have reliablity from 'american crap' that parallels the
>> >> stories of the great hondas.... so I dunno.
>> >
>> > Anecdotal evidence is useless.
>>
>> except when it is for hondas obviously.
>
> Except it's not anecdotal.

So present your data. Hint: owners filling out serveys is just a lot of
anecdotes.

>> >> And when Honda makes a V8 or inline 6 car with RWD, MT w/clutch I'll
>> >> consider one.
>>
>> > You're really stretching the matter to avoid reality, aren't you?
>>
>> No, just pointing out that there are vehicle types your chosen makes
>> ignore.

> Nope. Just trying to ignore that the S2000 is a better vehicle than
> *any* american made RWD vehicle. Yes: including the Corvette.

LOl. it might be a good car in the roller skate class as I call it, but
I don't fit in those cars. Not enough leg room to operate a clutch
comfortably and my head is above the windscreen. As to being "better"
than a vette, that's like saying oranges are better than apples.

== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:57 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, The Real Bev <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2008-12-13, The Real Bev <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My mom's '88 Eldorado has 58,000 miles on it right now. The dealer had
>>> sold her new belts and hoses and an engine rebuild before it hit 45K.
>>
>> So a dealer stole from her. I bet the engine wasn't even opened.
>
> The bastard kept it for 2 weeks and was wildly uninformative about the
> reasons.
>
>>> The electric doorlock on the passenger side doesn't work.
>>
>> Sounds like it froze up from lack of use.

> No, she used it quite a bit. The passenger can lock/unlock the driver's
> side but the driver can't lock/unlock the passenger side. Clearly a
> switch or a connection, but I'm not willing to take the door apart for a
> little problem like that.

In the driveway? Even in my car there were some issues with the power
locks when the car sat most of the winter. Since I drive it in the
winter again there aren't any. Anyway these sort of little problems are
not unusual for a 20 year old car anyone's 20 year old car.

>> Probably lube is all it needs.
>> I've repaired similiar issues in japanese cars getting on in age.

> Too much shigt is electric. I wonder if it's still possible to buy
> all-manual cars (like they were Way Back When) with just
> radio/heater/ac. The dumbest thing is the trunk lock, which requires a
> $400 repair if somebody slams the trunk instead of easing it closed and
> letting the mechanism take over. No, not me -- a friend's kid. There
> is NO benefit derived with that stupid mechanism.

Manual windows and what not start to have wierd malfunctions when they
cross the 15 year mark too. I've delt with them too... on japanese cars.

>> That tends to happen in 20 years if one hasn't taken good care of the
>> leather with the proper condintioners and cleaners.

> She took it in for top-drawer service every 3 months. If they didn't do
> that, they should have for what they charged.

These are the same people who have been ripping her off for years, I
doubt they went through the effort to treat the leather.

> Yeah, but it's not touted as a top-of-the-line high-quality luxury
> experience.

So was the cimmeron but dressing up a cavalier didn't make it so.

== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:57 pm
From: clams_casino

Brent wrote:

>
>
>Track record? What is the track record? It's a series of people's
>perceptions. Try to get someone who got a honda lemon to buy one again.
>
>

Don't know of any. I do, however, know many who will likely never
again consider a GM product.

Rather than go by yours of my experience, go by all the surveys. I
admittedly was very slow to consider the surveys. It wasn't until 2000
that I finally made the switch. I'm on my third since and when I look
back, question why it took so long.

>>It's hard to find many disgruntled owners of civics & Accords.
>>
>>
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=accord+lemon
>
>Rather easy actually.
>
>

Hmm - the first leased four Hondas. Obviously he liked the first three
enough to get a fourth. All the responders had contradictory experience
- most stating minimal problems, even after 25 years.

It is interesting to read about some disgruntled owners. If I hadn't
read / heard from so many pleased owners I might not have bought my
first one. In reality my three have performed every bit up to my
expectations plus there's been another eight years where I'm aware of
numerous others who are only too glad to report the same. On the other
hand I'm not aware of too many GM owners who haven't already dumped
their vehicles purchased since that time.

>
>Reputation based on perceptions, not facts.
>
>
>
Only in your mind and perhaps a portion of the ever decreasing numbers
willing to own a GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

I'm sure there will always be a percentage that will buy a GM, Ford or
Chrysler product, just as there will always be a percentage that believe
GW has done a favorable job.

Hell, I'm even told there are some people actually admit to liking
country western music.

== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:59 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, 'nam vet. <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> some car manufacturers keep the repair codes secret. like only
> authorized dealers can fix your car.
> be aware ! be very aware !

There's this thing called the internet, there really aren't any secrets
for very long. There are geeks for every product who end up with the
knowledge either because they figured it out or because they know
someone on the inside. They then post it.

== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:01 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, The Real Bev <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2008-12-13, The Real Bev <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> And when Honda makes a V8 or inline 6 car with RWD, MT w/clutch I'll
>>>> consider one.
>>> How about a Toyota Land Cruiser?
>>
>> That would be a truck not a car.
>>
>>> All I wanted to see was the specs, but
>>> the site insisted on showing me a lot of flashcrap instead so I'm not
>>> sure about the manual transmission or drive axle, but it has a V8.
>>
>> That's because US marketing is about crap not technical things.
>
> Then we can hardly blame the Big 3 for catering to crap-choosing buyers,
> can we? You point your marketing strategy at the likeliest victims, right?

Ever go look at foreign websites? The Aussie ford website (at least it
used to) put the domestic ford website to shame on technical info.

== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:07 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>
>>On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Even if GM was able to provide a vehicle with equal (or even improved)
>>>quality as Honda, Toyota & Nissan, I suspect it will take generations
>>>before they'll be able to reverse their generally accepted reputation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>After all of this you agree, it is perceptions rather than facts that
>>are the driving factors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> No - I thought I was quite clear stating I was completely WRONG using
> the word "perception".

> Substitute "belief". A few seem to be believe (perception?) that GM is
> making high quality vehicles, equal to better than their competition.

reputation is a belief is a perception.

> Many more "believe" they make inferior quality vehicles. The facts are
> that they have been producing lower quality products for many years, as
> strongly indicated by their 50% loss of market over perhaps 25 years.

facts. where are these facts ?

Ferraris have a reputation for needing lots and lots of work to keep
going. One can point to the factory recommended service intervals and
what work is required to do it to show that the reputation is based in
fact. Care to do the same for GM?

Or are we going to get owner 'experiences'? which takes us right back to
perceptions.

== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:07 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>
>>
>> No. "Honda et al" have been very good at producing cars that don't
>> *need* much care.
>>
>
> Have you ever owned a Malibu? I have. It doesn't *need* much care to
> keep it running and looking good for many years. Same as a Camry or
> Accord.
>
> But, as I wrote earlier, there is a perception that the Malibu is not
> as good. -Dave

Not willing to take a chance. I did own one back in the 70's - real
piece of crap, but admittedly the technology was quite different at that
time.

After a series of mediocre GM, Ford & Chrysler cars followed by three
excellent performing Honda vehicles, it would be foolish to take a
chance on a GM product.

Actually, I did rent a Malibu last year. I didn't have any mechanical
problems during the week I drove it, but it did run like crap - comfort
/ noise couldn't compare with my 2000 Accord even at 180K miles.
Granted, it was a rental, but it did drive pretty much as I expected it
would.

== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:11 pm
From: clams_casino

Eeyore wrote:

>lorad wrote:
>
>
>
>>The reason that the asian cars are more competetive is that their
>>governments provide their workers with universal health care (cha-
>>ching).
>>
>>
>
>Not sure that's true actually. Certainly for US made Hondas Nissans and
>Toyotas. Anyway, nothing stopping the USA doing the same ! Universal
>health care is a fraction of the cost of private btw.
>
>Graham
>
>
>
Honda has been assembling cars in MD since 1982.

== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:13 pm
From: lorad

On Dec 13, 7:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:

Asian auto-maker propaganda [snipped]

Rather than sending your dollars to Tokyo or Seoul, try to help your
neighbors and yourself by buying a US made automobile. As is well
known.. keeping one dollar in your local economy, generates even more
dollars as that money recirculates creating compounded wealth.

The PRIMARY reason that the US economy is failing is due to the
reduction of US manufacturing capability which results in fewer
exports and more imports over the last 15 years.
The US's wealth has been drained away.

If we lose the auto industry in America, we also lose 1/7th of all US
jobs.
Think about that.

The wall-street giveaway of 800 BILLION to a crook business sector
might keep the house of cards aloft (and the super-rich richer) for a
year or two... but ultimately matters will become EVEN WORSE when that
money runs out.

We will never solve our current economic problem by shuffling paper
and pretending that paper shuffling actually creates wealth.. it
doesn't.. it just re-distributes wealth upward to a select few.

America needs to re-industrialize itself. It's the only way out.
And there's no time start but NOW.. and by saving the US auto
industry.

== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:14 pm
From: Brent

On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Track record? What is the track record? It's a series of people's
>>perceptions. Try to get someone who got a honda lemon to buy one again.
>>
>>
>
> Don't know of any.

Google around.

> I do, however, know many who will likely never again consider a GM product.

Sure, I won't consider any GM car not a corvette or holden because of
two cars my parents had so I am in that camp too. GM has had a lot more
years and a lot more cars to damage itself.

> Rather than go by yours of my experience, go by all the surveys.

So you just go by a bunch of perceptions and personal experiences.

> I
> admittedly was very slow to consider the surveys. It wasn't until 2000
> that I finally made the switch. I'm on my third since and when I look
> back, question why it took so long.

You've had 3 cars since 2000? Holy crap. I've had the same ford since
1996.

>>http://www.google.com/search?q=accord+lemon
>>
>>Rather easy actually.

> Hmm - the first leased four Hondas. Obviously he liked the first three
> enough to get a fourth. All the responders had contradictory experience
> - most stating minimal problems, even after 25 years.

So he had 25% failure rate. You'll see the exact same thing in ford and
GM forums too.

> It is interesting to read about some disgruntled owners. If I hadn't
> read / heard from so many pleased owners I might not have bought my
> first one. In reality my three have performed every bit up to my
> expectations plus there's been another eight years where I'm aware of
> numerous others who are only too glad to report the same. On the other
> hand I'm not aware of too many GM owners who haven't already dumped
> their vehicles purchased since that time.

It's just about listening to the personal experiences are own biases
weight one way or the other. This really isn't a fact based analysis,
it's touchy feely sort of thing

>>Reputation based on perceptions, not facts.

> Only in your mind and perhaps a portion of the ever decreasing numbers
> willing to own a GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

I guess you don't know what a reputation is. It's quite possible to have
one reputation but be the exact opposite. Reputation is how others
perceive you.

== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:16 pm
From: Nate Nagel

Brent wrote:
> On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-12-13, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even if GM was able to provide a vehicle with equal (or even improved)
>>>> quality as Honda, Toyota & Nissan, I suspect it will take generations
>>>> before they'll be able to reverse their generally accepted reputation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> After all of this you agree, it is perceptions rather than facts that
>>> are the driving factors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No - I thought I was quite clear stating I was completely WRONG using
>> the word "perception".
>
>> Substitute "belief". A few seem to be believe (perception?) that GM is
>> making high quality vehicles, equal to better than their competition.
>
> reputation is a belief is a perception.
>
>> Many more "believe" they make inferior quality vehicles. The facts are
>> that they have been producing lower quality products for many years, as
>> strongly indicated by their 50% loss of market over perhaps 25 years.
>
> facts. where are these facts ?
>
> Ferraris have a reputation for needing lots and lots of work to keep
> going. One can point to the factory recommended service intervals and
> what work is required to do it to show that the reputation is based in
> fact. Care to do the same for GM?
>
> Or are we going to get owner 'experiences'? which takes us right back to
> perceptions.
>
>

IMHO the GM factory recommended services are woefully inadequate. One
should follow the "severe service" intervals for any American car. The
mfgrs. like to lowball the service required so that they look good in
"long term comparison tests" but the truth is that only doing the
recommended services virtually ensures a finite lifespan and/or costly
repairs. I don't believe any US mfgr. recommends regular brake fluid
changes but if you don't do it you risk expensive failures of brake
components at around 10 years or so (including ABS/TC components which
may approach the depreciated value of the car in replacement cost.)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 4:19 pm
From: lorad

On Dec 13, 4:13 pm, lorad <lorad...@cs.com> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 7:20 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Asian auto-maker propaganda [snipped]
>
> Rather than sending your dollars to Tokyo or Seoul, try to help your
> neighbors and yourself by buying a US made automobile. As is well
> known.. keeping one dollar in your local economy, generates even more
> dollars as that money recirculates creating compounded wealth.
>
> The PRIMARY reason that the US economy is failing is due to the
> reduction of US manufacturing capability which results in fewer
> exports and more imports over the last 15 years.
> The US's wealth has been drained away.
>
> If we lose the auto industry in America, we also lose 1/7th of all US
> jobs.
> Think about that.
>
> The wall-street giveaway of 800 BILLION to a crook business sector
> might keep the house of cards aloft (and the super-rich richer) for a
> year or two... but ultimately matters will become EVEN WORSE when that
> money runs out.
>
> We will never solve our current economic problem by shuffling paper
> and pretending that paper shuffling actually creates wealth.. it
> doesn't.. it just re-distributes wealth upward to a select few.
>
> America needs to re-industrialize itself. It's the only way out.
> And there's no time start but NOW.. and by saving the US auto
> industry.

(bumped up)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:13 pm
From: "Macuser"

Oy, not good! This is fine art and I won't put it outside with the castoff
knick-knacks.

I think I will contact several dealers about the stuff. Maybe the art market
will recover at bit in late 2009.

Strap yourselves down, kiddies. We're in for a rough ride.

--
http://cashcuddler.com

"Thrift is sexy."

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gi108j$1ld$2@news.motzarella.org...
> Macuser wrote:
>> Can anybody give me tips on selling original artwork in a bad market?
>
> Yard sale. Don't turn down any offers.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> ==============================
> All bleeding eventually stops.

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TOPIC: Frugal Kitchen Tip
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:18 pm
From: "Macuser"

My fave kitchen tip:

Don't waste your good money on softdrinks. Microwave a quart size container
of water with 4 teabags. Add sugar or artificial sweetener. Chill. Easy iced
tea costs you about 10 cents a quart. Add lemon if you like. It's delicious.

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http://cashcuddler.com

"Thrift is sexy."

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TOPIC: Boston Herald: "Your tips for smart savings"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/43ba905d7f8f6ef2?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:21 pm
From: "Macuser"

That's a take on the old Weight watchers idea about having your meals on a
smaller plate to fool yourself that you're eating a bigger serving. File it
under "Yah, sure."

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http://cashcuddler.com

"Thrift is sexy."

<lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3fc55266-cdd2-4043-b67c-43827253c4b3@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1135695
>
> Some are good, and some are like this one:
>
> "Trick yourself into thinking you have more money by switching to a
> smaller wallet. This is especially helpful if you only carry $1 bills
> (which is probably all you have anyway), and makes your billfold feel
> fuller."
>
> Lenona.

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TOPIC: Pennies on the street
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:55 pm
From: "Macuser"

For years, I saw lots of pennies on the side because they were no longer of
interest. Now, I hardly ever see them. It seems that people have returned to
picking up pennies. Do you pick up coins? I prefer they be five cents or
higher before I'll bend down.

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"Thrift is sexy."

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