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misc.consumers.frugal-living - 12 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Nazi t-shirt sold at Walmart
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b367e5bdf9d178bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:16 pm
From: On a Clear Day

On Jan 28, 10:11 am, "Daniel T." <danie...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> What is at issue is the fact that Walmart pledged to recall the t-shirts
> back in November of 2006. It's now Jan of 2009 and they still have them
> in stores. Likely this means that they not only didn't recall the
> shirts, but have continued to purchase them from their supplier.

"Likely?" You dolt. What is your basis for saying that? You cannot
support that conclusion.
It's stupid. If Wal-Mart were still ordering the shirts, there'd be a
hell of a lot more than the ones in the Cali store. Wal-Mart orders in
BIG lots, you fuckwit.

> I'm not saying Walmart *can't* sell the shirt, I'm saying that they are
> liars.

I'm saying you're just a Wal-Mart basher. Pick a different example,
fool. This one ain't cutting it. There's no fucking motive for the
firm to do what you are accusing them of. You shitbrain.

> "We are deeply sorry that this happened, and we are in the process of
> pulling all of these T-shirts from our stores," Tovar [a
> representative of Walmart] said. "Respect for the individual is a
> core value of our company and we would never have placed this T-shirt
> on our shelves had we known the origin and significance of this
> emblem."
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15702868/
>
> Apparently the above is false. Walmart is not deeply sorry that this
> happened, they are not in the process of pulling all of these T-shirts
> from their stores, respect for the individual is not a core value of
> their company and they would place this T-shirt on their shelves even
> knowing the origin and significance of the emblem.

Again, you must be a fucking stoopid. How do you get a fact from one
Wal-Mart store in Cali and generalize it to the rest of the Wal-Mart
store system? How many Wal-Marts are there, any idea? Over 3,400.
Some goofball stock clerk, some doltish inventory clerk, with about
the same intelligence as you, probably just fucked up.

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TOPIC: the fabulous entertainment problem
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/522d3e74bf1ce86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:19 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <nlp1o4dfilf6517hdkodib050t82hn4gnl@4ax.com>,
Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Are you near any colleges? They frequently have free films or
>lectures on interesting subjects. When I was in a similar position to
>yours, I went to a fabulous presentation by Curtis Sliwa, who founded
>that group that patrols subways, etc., in large cities -- the name
>escapes me right now. Heard some amazing stories and learned a little
>something about self defense as well.

That would be the Guardian Angels, perhaps?

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:56 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <oj3gl.159094$zQ4.155225@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>,
"Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:

> The bad news is that I was late reporting my (nonexistent) December
> employment income, so it looks like my end of January disability check will
> be delayed, for I don't know how long.
>
> The good news is that my housing expenses are covered, I have enough food to
> last me a while, there are no bills due until February 21st, and I have $10
> left for things like laundry.
>
> So I guess my real problem--bearing in mind that I don't know when I'm going
> to have money again--is entertainment. Reading 50-cent discard-rack books
> and watching TV gets to be old after a while.
>
> Instead of asking what you think I should do with myself until and unless I
> get money again, let me ask: What would _you_ do with yourself in my
> situation?

Go to a public library. Visit family and/or friends. Do some volunteer
work. Visit any free museums in my area. Take a long walk. Just relax.

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TOPIC: High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/222ab29674477495?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:54 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
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>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>>
>
> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury into
> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
> element.

and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to hfcs
laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
your grocer's shelves.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:10 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>>>
>>
>> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury into
>> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
>> element.
>
> and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to hfcs
> laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
> swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
> your grocer's shelves.

per capita consumption of hfcs appears to be about 40 lbs/yr as per usda
data. water weighs about 8.35 lbs per gallon. i'd say 40 lbs is probably
about 4 GALLONS of hfcs per person per year. wanna guess the mercury
content of that?
mercury is cumulative. it doesn't excrete.

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/PerCapitaConsumption.html

ps. since the consumer has caught on about the dangers of hfcs, i think
that some labels say corn sweetner. if it was plain old corn syrup, it
would say that, so what else could corn sweetner be?

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TOPIC: Breathe Rite nasal strips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/affd6583ec4f642b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:55 pm
From: finding z0

I use them occassionally and they help me breathe and not snore. It
would be pricey to use them every night. I've always wondered if the
secret to reusing them would be to find the right glue to reapply. I
found these 2 products and wondered if anyone has tried them?

http://www.ameswalker.com/accessories.html?iorb=4764&utm_source=Sponsored&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=BeyondROI

http://www.exmed.net/dept.asp?dept_id=491
(first 2 products)

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TOPIC: feds want your medical records
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/453e01859e9f99b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:31 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

BigDog1 <bigdog811@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 28, 1:38 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> >http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

>> Electronic records are the only way to significantly reduce medical
>> costs.

The only way? I don't think so. The savings in medical costs are
likely to be trivial. Try reducing end-of-life (especially surgical)
interventions to save the really big bucks.

> Hopefully they will reduce record keeping costs about half has
>> they have done in most all other industries.

And just where do you get the "about half" from? And what are "most
all" other industries? I'd contend that some industries like insurance
and mail order couldn't even function without computerized record
keeping. Others like your local pizza stand have little need.

The real advantage to electronic record keeping is the ease and
accuracy of the process especially in a hospital environment.

>Correct. If electronic records do nothing more than eliminate
>unnecessary repetitive tests when a patient changes providers, it will
>save millions of dollars a year.

Aw, bullshit! I'm trying to work out exactly what axe you have to
grind. Do you sell computers? Medical software?

If a patient changes providers it's likely that the tests, while
perhaps of the same thing, are so that the next provider can see how
the patients condition has changed. It's rare that there's not some
intervening time between the two.

> And that's just the tip of the
>iceberg. To say nothing of the ability to track fraud and abuse in
>the system. Long overdue, given the number of years we've been in the
>information age.

>Of course, there will always be the "big brother is watching" crowd
>who will piss and moan; but they're either paranoid or are already
>gaming the system and are afraid they'll get caught. Who cares what's
>in somebody else's files? I don't!

I guess I fall into the paranoid category. Just what "gaming the
system" do you think would be averted by computerized record keeping?
Remember that things like overuse of schedule II drugs are already
dealt with at the pharmacy level.

Let's see. I'm male and old and I have trouble peeing so I go to my
friendly PCP who says, "BPH, just take these pills and we'll look
again in six months." I'm not too happy with that conclusion and I
want to have another opinion so I go off to some urologist who I want
to start from the beginning. I don't want him to know what the first
guy said (or recorded) because the natural human tendency is to be
influenced by that first decision. I don't want him to have any access
to my records.

He can order another PSA test perhaps even from another lab. A
repetitive test you'd like to cut out? In any event the time between
the PCP test and the urologist test is likely to be a couple of months
and the velocity and quantity of change can be significant.

These two guys might be the greatest MD's since Lister (or whoever you
want to pick) but what about the speed-speaker aka the "wham bam,
thank you ma'am" practitioner? He asks you questions so quickly and
explains so little that nuances that can be significant are lost and
never recorded or are recorded but aren't what you would have said had
you known the significance of them.

And then there's the correction of errors. My wife had a heart attack
a couple of years ago resulting in lots of testing and costs or so her
insurance company records say. Really she had no heart attack but
another woman of about the same age and exactly the same name did. The
insurance company got its electronic hands crossed. Because the heart
attack victim and my wife both have pay-everything policies it didn't
cost anything but the insurance company now has my wife as a heart
attack victim. We've tried for the last two years to have this
corrected but according to everyone we're allowed to speak to at the
insurance company (various bimbettes who assert that they can't make
any decision themselves) it doesn't matter since we didn't pay
anything. What about prior health care problems if we change
companies? You see the Kafkaesque nightmare computerized records and
non-responsive (that's all of them) companies can create. Sure you
want more computerization?

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TOPIC: Is it worth upgrading heat & insulation in Mid-Atlantic states?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/16c00bae970d5c93?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:48 pm
From: James

On Jan 28, 12:49 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> timebomb.11.paulker...@xoxy.net wrote:
> > James wrote:
> >> My furnace is probably under 60% efficiency but it don't really get
> >> that cold here. Any one have first hand experience in savings after
> >> replacing an old furnace with a high-efficieny furnace?
>
> >> Also what did you save if you bought expensive replacement windows?
>
> >> I've more than double the insulation in the attic but can't really
> >> tell how much I'm saving because of varying temperatures and fuel
> >> costs. It had about 4" of rock wool.
>
> > Start with what you spend on heating now. If you go from a 60% furnace
> > to 90%, you would save about 1/3 of that bill.
> > Insulation generally pays for itself in most climates in terms of
> > heating and cooling cost and comfort. Insulation is cheap. If it's
> > your labor, that's pretty cheap if you have the time.
> > Expensive replacement windows are not as important as figuring out
> > where your heat is going.
>
> That is it, exactly.
>
> Heat escapes everywhere, including the floor and walls. Drafts are
> the worst.
>
> You can get an idea with an inexpensive IR thermometer and reading
> interior surface temps. Since you have rockwool in the attic, I wonder
> what insulation you have in the walls.
> Tossing more insulation in an attic is of little benefit if most of
> your heat is lost elsewhere.
>
> I'm a huge believer in blown in cellulose insulation, it's very cheap
> and easy to install. I did my walls a couple years ago and have followed
> up with underfloor insulation. The difference in comfort is dramatic.
>
> As far as windows, either exterior storms, or something on the inside
> is fairly cheap. Or if the view is unimportant, either bubblewrap them
> or some kind of movable insulation, even heavy drapes. Weatherize first
> to eliminate leaks.
>
> Jeff
>
> That can be done at reasonable cost with
>
>
>
> > thermal imaging. They go around your home with an infared cam and the
> > heat loss can be seen.
>
> > Don't spend money unless you can see the payback in under seven years
> > or so.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's a toss up for me because it'll take at least 7 years to pay the
cost of a new furnace. My heat for the last 12 months was less than
$800.

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TOPIC: Aspirin May be an Inexpensive Tonic for the Liver
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/27090c8fb854fd3a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:00 pm
From: josejarvie@ssnet.net

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:13 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Marsha
<mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> Dr. Wajahat
>> Mehal, MD, PhD, from Yale School of Medicine (New Haven, CT).
>>

What asprin manufacturer was he paid by?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:29 pm
From: Dave

On Jan 28, 9:00 pm, josejar...@ssnet.net wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:13 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Marsha
>
> <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> > Dr. Wajahat
> >> Mehal, MD, PhD, from Yale School of Medicine (New Haven, CT).
>
> What asprin manufacturer was he paid by?

Oooow , . . Thats pretty hard core paranoid, eh? However, Bayer is
located in CT also! Actually, aspirin research is ongoing all over the
world, and it would be tough for one company to "pay off" research on
such a large front!

Dave

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TOPIC: Have you ever ate roadkill?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8270986512a793d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:01 pm
From: Jeßus

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:19:57 -0800, James wrote:

> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.

Yep. As long as I know it's fresh and untainted.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 9:11 pm
From: "Mike"

"Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote in message
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> "Omelet"...
>> James wrote:
>>
>>> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
>>> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.
>>
>> That's not legal in most states tho'.
>
> Dunno how true this is. When a deer landed on my windshield and the cop
> needed to shoot it he asked me if I wanted it.
> Tomes <- in NJ
In my early 20 s I dispatched a wounded road warrior Deer with a Buck
knife no less. after whittling away the bruised meat I had quite a few
steaks and some good chili makings. I have found venison to be much better
tasting if they dont wrassel with automobiles

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