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Monday, January 5, 2009

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* 98cnshoes - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How to spot a bogus dollar? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* alternative immobilienfinanzierung,kredite für eigentumswohnung,hypothek
zinssatz,banken verkaufen immobilienkredite,eigenheimzulage forum, - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Nike Air Jordan 1 I Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 1 AJF1 AJ1F www.cicigogo.cn
Jordan 1 Fusion Nike Air Jordan 1 I Force 1 Jordan Fusion AJF 1 AJF1 AJ1F www.
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AJF1 AJ1F www.cicigogo.cn Jordan 1 fusion www.cicigogo.cn Nike dunk sb, air
force one, air max, Jordans, Jordan fusion, nike shox - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0660239cccc1de71?hl=en
* UGG Classic Cardy Boots (5819) $75.99 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/48bc6bf8b68d2809?hl=en
* Credit Unions rule! - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ed4eab7c908e6797?hl=en
* Lane vs Lazy Boy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0edad2d019c28788?hl=en
* Idea to Fix Health Care: Medical Management Aid Societies (MMAS) - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e209cbabf80cacd5?hl=en
* Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/91b29b33b75bb0d0?hl=en

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TOPIC: 98cnshoes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 3 2009 10:49 pm
From: hgif

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2)Jeans of Diesel,Rock&Republic,Seven,red monkey,Evisu,lee,D&G,True
religion,bape,antik,
jack
jones,armani,kepasa,apple,bbc,levi's,guess,cocobon go,only,replay,on
line,MNG,von dutch
and cocolulu.
3)Brand T-
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&G,A&F,Versach,marlbolo.
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welcome to contact with us. www.98cnshoes.com
email: a98cnshoes@gmail_com

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TOPIC: How to spot a bogus dollar?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 12:41 am
From: asiandollno1@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 4:18 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 6:49 am
From: "1020qq@gmail.com" <1020qq@gmail.com>

98cnshoes Co.,Ltd is the WORLD'S LARGEST SUPPLIER OF FAMOUS BRAND'S
GOODS.
we are one of the leading company that wholesales and retail brand
products,
We clome to be in ectopmall.com, all of our products are
exclusive(top quality),
and we are an hoest and real companies offering such a wide variety
of
Famous Brand Goods inc:
1)Brand Shoes:Nike Shox,AirMax,AirJordan,nike air force one,nike
dunk,nike
kobe,nike james,Nike sandle shoes and other brand shoes inc
Bape,Adidas,Puma,Gucci,
Timberland Prada,Lv,4us,Richmond,Ice cream,Diesel,Chanel
D&G,DSQUARED,etc.
2)Jeans of Diesel,Rock&Republic,Seven,red monkey,Evisu,lee,D&G,True
religion,bape,antik,jackjones,armani,kepasa,apple,bbc,levi's,guess,cocobon
go,only,replay,on line,MNG,von dutch and cocolulu.
3)Brand T-
shirt :Polo,lacoste,burberry,boss,Tommy,BBC,Bape,Gucci,D
&G,A&F,Versach,marlbolo.
4)brand handbag with LV,
Chanel,Gucci,Fendi,Chole,hermes,Dior,coach,balenci aga.
we also sell world brand watches and caps and ipod nano.All our
products are in best quality with lowest price.
welcome to contact with us. www.98cnshoes.com
email: a98cnshoes@gmail.com
msn: a98cnshoes@hotmail.com

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TOPIC: Credit Unions rule!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 10:04 am
From: "'nam vet."

Credit Unions To The Rescue
by Broderick Perkins

Been down to your friendly neighborhood credit union lately?

You could find that elusive home loan you been unable to get anywhere
else.

Credit unions didn't need a bail out during the Great Depression, they
didn't need federal intervention during the Savings & Loan debacle and
they don't need government assistance now.

In fact, right now, they are rolling out the red carpet for home loan
borrowers.

During the boom, credit unions avoided writing subprime home loans and
other easy-money mortgages. They also shunned selling packages of
mortgages to Wall Street moguls who packaged them into now low- to
no-return securities.

That means credit unions are relatively untainted by the credit squeeze
and they have both money to burn and a sound business foundation that
allows them to keep on lending.

Instead of fearing the next Great Depression, member-owned credit unions
are bracing for what could be their boom time in home loans and other
financial services, now that banks and mortgage lenders are crashing and
burning.

Mortgage production among credit unions is small by comparison to banks
and mortgage lenders, but their originations rose a whopping 10.1
percent during the first half of 2008, according to the industry's
federal regulator, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA).
and ;
Less than 1% of mortgage holders in Credit Unions are behind in payments.
Google that!
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 11:49 am
From: BigDog1

On Jan 4, 11:04 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> Credit Unions To The Rescue
> by Broderick Perkins
>
> Been down to your friendly neighborhood credit union lately?
>
> You could find that elusive home loan you been unable to get anywhere
> else.
>
> Credit unions didn't need a bail out during the Great Depression, they
> didn't need federal intervention during the Savings & Loan debacle and
> they don't need government assistance now.
>
> In fact, right now, they are rolling out the red carpet for home loan
> borrowers.
>
> During the boom, credit unions avoided writing subprime home loans and
> other easy-money mortgages. They also shunned selling packages of
> mortgages to Wall Street moguls who packaged them into now low- to
> no-return securities.
>
> That means credit unions are relatively untainted by the credit squeeze
> and they have both money to burn and a sound business foundation that
> allows them to keep on lending.
>
> Instead of fearing the next Great Depression, member-owned credit unions
> are bracing for what could be their boom time in home loans and other
> financial services, now that banks and mortgage lenders are crashing and
> burning.
>
> Mortgage production among credit unions is small by comparison to banks
> and mortgage lenders, but their originations rose a whopping 10.1
> percent during the first half of 2008, according to the industry's
> federal regulator, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA).
> and ;
> Less than 1% of mortgage holders in Credit Unions are behind in payments.
> Google that!
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

Yes they do. I gave up conventional banks in favor of my credit union
over 25 years ago. I get most of their services free, and those I pay
for (safe deposit box, notary service, money orders, etc.) are
cheaper, by as much as half, than any bank.

Anyone can join, and get basic services for reasonable fees. But, in
most cases, things aren't free until you deposit a few thousand
dollars in long term CDs, establish and loan history, and you are
member long enough that it's obvious you're not just using them as a
pass through for your money.

The reason credit unions are still viable in this economy is that they
don't lend money to people who can't afford to pay it back. They
thoroughly verify everything on loan applications, they secure the
collateral with proper liens, and they aggressively pursue those who
default. All of the employees, from entry level tellers, to the CEO
are salaried. They don't get commissions to push services or close
loans.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 11:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"

'nam vet. wrote:

> Credit Unions To The Rescue
> by Broderick Perkins

> Been down to your friendly neighborhood credit union lately?

> You could find that elusive home loan you been unable to get anywhere else.

> Credit unions didn't need a bail out during the Great Depression, they
> didn't need federal intervention during the Savings & Loan debacle

Wrong, plenty of them did.

> and they don't need government assistance now.

> In fact, right now, they are rolling out the red carpet for home loan borrowers.

Mindless pig ignorant lie. They've been affected by the credit crunch, just like everyone else.

> During the boom, credit unions avoided writing subprime
> home loans and other easy-money mortgages.

Mindless pig ignorant lie. Plenty of them did.

> They also shunned selling packages of mortgages to Wall Street
> moguls who packaged them into now low- to no-return securities.

That last is another pig ignorant lie.

> That means credit unions are relatively untainted by the credit squeeze

But not unaffected by it.

> and they have both money to burn

Pig ignorant lie.

> and a sound business foundation that allows them to keep on lending.

Pity about the lack of money to lend.

> Instead of fearing the next Great Depression, member-owned credit
> unions are bracing for what could be their boom time in home loans
> and other financial services, now that banks and mortgage lenders are
> crashing and burning.

Just another pathetic little pig ignorant fantasy. They are just as affected
by the massive overhang of defaulted houses, just like everyone else is.

> Mortgage production among credit unions is small by comparison to
> banks and mortgage lenders,

So much for your pig ignorant lies above.

> but their originations rose a whopping 10.1 percent during the first half of 2008,

A fart in the bath given the MUCH smaller volume of mortgages they had been writing.

> according to the industry's federal regulator, the National Credit Union Administration
> (NCUA). and ; Less than 1% of mortgage holders in Credit Unions are behind in payments.

For now...

> Google that!

Pathetic.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 12:20 pm
From: "'nam vet."

In article
<e6ad74b3-0ff7-465a-b583-343d45332c96@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>,
BigDog1 <bigdog811@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 11:04 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > Credit Unions To The Rescue
> > by Broderick Perkins
> >
> > Been down to your friendly neighborhood credit union lately?
> >
> > You could find that elusive home loan you been unable to get anywhere
> > else.
> >
> > Credit unions didn't need a bail out during the Great Depression, they
> > didn't need federal intervention during the Savings & Loan debacle and
> > they don't need government assistance now.
> >
> > In fact, right now, they are rolling out the red carpet for home loan
> > borrowers.
> >
> > During the boom, credit unions avoided writing subprime home loans and
> > other easy-money mortgages. They also shunned selling packages of
> > mortgages to Wall Street moguls who packaged them into now low- to
> > no-return securities.
> >
> > That means credit unions are relatively untainted by the credit squeeze
> > and they have both money to burn and a sound business foundation that
> > allows them to keep on lending.
> >
> > Instead of fearing the next Great Depression, member-owned credit unions
> > are bracing for what could be their boom time in home loans and other
> > financial services, now that banks and mortgage lenders are crashing and
> > burning.
> >
> > Mortgage production among credit unions is small by comparison to banks
> > and mortgage lenders, but their originations rose a whopping 10.1
> > percent during the first half of 2008, according to the industry's
> > federal regulator, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA).
> > and ;
> > Less than 1% of mortgage holders in Credit Unions are behind in payments.
> > Google that!
> > --
> > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > that's Evolution.
>
> Yes they do. I gave up conventional banks in favor of my credit union
> over 25 years ago. I get most of their services free, and those I pay
> for (safe deposit box, notary service, money orders, etc.) are
> cheaper, by as much as half, than any bank.
>
> Anyone can join, and get basic services for reasonable fees. But, in
> most cases, things aren't free until you deposit a few thousand
> dollars in long term CDs, establish and loan history, and you are
> member long enough that it's obvious you're not just using them as a
> pass through for your money.
>
> The reason credit unions are still viable in this economy is that they
> don't lend money to people who can't afford to pay it back. They
> thoroughly verify everything on loan applications, they secure the
> collateral with proper liens, and they aggressively pursue those who
> default. All of the employees, from entry level tellers, to the CEO
> are salaried. They don't get commissions to push services or close
> loans.

Yes, seems like they have prevented Greed from ruling the roost.
We have been members for 15 years of our local Credit Union.
No, I don't 'work" for them.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 12:54 pm
From: BigDog1

On Jan 4, 1:20 pm, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e6ad74b3-0ff7-465a-b583-343d45332...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> BigDog1 <bigdog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 4, 11:04 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > > Credit Unions To The Rescue
> > > by Broderick Perkins
>
> > > Been down to your friendly neighborhood credit union lately?
>
> > > You could find that elusive home loan you been unable to get anywhere
> > > else.
>
> > > Credit unions didn't need a bail out during the Great Depression, they
> > > didn't need federal intervention during the Savings & Loan debacle and
> > > they don't need government assistance now.
>
> > > In fact, right now, they are rolling out the red carpet for home loan
> > > borrowers.
>
> > > During the boom, credit unions avoided writing subprime home loans and
> > > other easy-money mortgages. They also shunned selling packages of
> > > mortgages to Wall Street moguls who packaged them into now low- to
> > > no-return securities.
>
> > > That means credit unions are relatively untainted by the credit squeeze
> > > and they have both money to burn and a sound business foundation that
> > > allows them to keep on lending.
>
> > > Instead of fearing the next Great Depression, member-owned credit unions
> > > are bracing for what could be their boom time in home loans and other
> > > financial services, now that banks and mortgage lenders are crashing and
> > > burning.
>
> > > Mortgage production among credit unions is small by comparison to banks
> > > and mortgage lenders, but their originations rose a whopping 10.1
> > > percent during the first half of 2008, according to the industry's
> > > federal regulator, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA).
> > > and ;
> > > Less than 1% of mortgage holders in Credit Unions are behind in payments.
> > > Google that!
> > > --
> > > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > > that's Evolution.
>
> > Yes they do. I gave up conventional banks in favor of my credit union
> > over 25 years ago. I get most of their services free, and those I pay
> > for (safe deposit box, notary service, money orders, etc.) are
> > cheaper, by as much as half, than any bank.
>
> > Anyone can join, and get basic services for reasonable fees. But, in
> > most cases, things aren't free until you deposit a few thousand
> > dollars in long term CDs, establish and loan history, and you are
> > member long enough that it's obvious you're not just using them as a
> > pass through for your money.
>
> > The reason credit unions are still viable in this economy is that they
> > don't lend money to people who can't afford to pay it back. They
> > thoroughly verify everything on loan applications, they secure the
> > collateral with proper liens, and they aggressively pursue those who
> > default. All of the employees, from entry level tellers, to the CEO
> > are salaried. They don't get commissions to push services or close
> > loans.
>
> Yes, seems like they have prevented Greed from ruling the roost.
> We have been members for 15 years of our local Credit Union.
> No, I don't 'work" for them.
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

Nor do I. But in the interest in full disclosure, I did serve two 3
year terms on my credit union's Board of Directors ('95-'98 and
'03-'06). The board is made up of six unpaid volunteer members. To
be eligible to serve you need to have been a member in good standing
of the credit union for at least five years. Under the by-laws, a
member can't serve consecutive terms, nor more than two in total - so
I'm done. Two new members are elected to the board by a vote of the
members at the annual general meeting

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 2:11 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wrong, plenty of them did.
> Mindless pig ignorant lie. They've been affected by the credit crunch,
> just like everyone else.
> Mindless pig ignorant lie. Plenty of them did.
> That last is another pig ignorant lie.
> But not unaffected by it.
> Pig ignorant lie.
> Pity about the lack of money to lend.
> Just another pathetic little pig ignorant fantasy. They are just as
> affected by the massive overhang of defaulted houses, just like everyone
> else is.
> So much for your pig ignorant lies above.
> A fart in the bath given the MUCH smaller volume of mortgages they had
> been writing.
> For now...
> Pathetic.

Yes, you are!

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TOPIC: Lane vs Lazy Boy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0edad2d019c28788?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 10:18 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:495f1511$0$4882$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com,
Bob <Yep@net>spewed forth:
> I'm thinking of buying a couple of Lane swivel, rocking recliners,
> mainly because their a lot lower priced than Lazy Boy. Anybody have
> any experience with them?

Lazy Boy is the #1 motion furniture manufacturer for a reason.
They have it down to a science and are better quality than Lane, but if
price is your only criteria, then go with Lane.

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TOPIC: Idea to Fix Health Care: Medical Management Aid Societies (MMAS)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e209cbabf80cacd5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 4:12 pm
From: Reverend K

On Jan 3, 10:10 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Reverend K wrote:
> > I was thinking about this a great deal and what we need is a
> > free market option outside the government that can cover the
> > fundamental needs of citizens. I propose we take a given
> > population size say for arguement 20,000 people in a MMAS
> > and five of those to pool resources for the second part of my plan.
>
> There's plenty of places which have a decent modern universal health
> care funding system where 100K isnt anything like enough for all facilitys.
>
> > Each person should be able to afford one days income a month for health
> > care at a minimum that would be say $50 (as a base) or $600 per year.
>
> Thats more than some modern first world universal health care funding systems
> charge. If you are going to charge that, it makes a lot more sense to just have
> a decent modern universal health care funding system instead, what very single
> modern first world country except the US has had enough of a clue to have gone for.
>
> > With the base group that is $12 million. Take that and split it 60/40
> > for $7.2 million. Use that to set up a primary care clinic with doctors
> > on salary and some nurses, a few general lab techs and primary
> > care to the 20,000 people. The rest pool for a community hospital
> > serving the 100,000 people in five of these MMAS that is $24 million
> > for a general basic hospital capable of doing 95% of general medical
> > services.
>
> Thats nothing like the split in costs that we see in modern first world countrys.
>
> > All this overseen by MMAS commities of citizens in the program to
> > control costs they would hire the medical staff, fire them, apporve hiring
> > end expenditures and negotiate drug prices perhaps with other groups.
> > For expensive care that the system cannot handle either
> > the people should be sent abroad to first rate for profit
> > hospitals in India, Singapore and Thailand with an escort
>
> Cant see that being viable for what is a major
> modern need, heart attacks, stents etc.
>
> Or for the accident and emergency either.
>
> Or even for the long term treatment of diabetes either. I've been
> amazed at what diabetes can cost with a couple of individuals I
> know who have eventually been killed by their diabetes.
>
> > OR the government could run such a program
> > for extremely expensive care
>
> Thats what a decent modern universal health care funding system does.
> The US is the last modern first world country that hasnt gone that route
> and if it does go that route, there isnt any need for your MMAS.
>
> > OR both.
>
> You only see much of that when the modern universal health care
> funding system doesnt cover some stuff like cosmetic surgery etc.
>
> > To control costs I propose having each member agree in a legal
> > contract not to sue the MMAS or any provider, the people would give up
> > most if not all choice of medical providers in the system and there
> > would be no government money. As for providers we should look at
> > loosening the laws so doctors from internationally respected medical
> > schools could enter the country and practice general medicine easily
> > without extra training or concerns. As I see it a Cuban doctor should
> > be perfectly capable of providing general practice care as well as an
> > American trained doctor
>
> Thats less than clear, particularly whether they are qualified to use the
> range of diagnostic services that are available in the US for the more
> serious problems like angioplasty and stents etc, let alone bypasses.
>
> Its less than clear what Cuba does about those, whether Cubans
> end up with the same level of care that those in modern first world
> countrys get or whether its more like what modern first world countrys
> used to end up with in the 60s etc. Modern first world countrys have
> moved on a long way past what was common in those days.
>
> > and would likely not demand a high salary.
>
> Thats not clear either, particularly when they have been allowed to practice in the US.
>
> I find it hard to believe that most of them wouldnt eventually feel that
> they were entitled to the same level of salary that american doctors
> are entitled to and I cant see that it would be viable to get them to
> sign up to stay on the initial low levels of income for life etc.
>
> > And hospitals would likely ahve to focus on wards with several
> > patients in a room unless there was a medical reason for a
> > private room or the patient pays for one. But wards were
> > common and are used in other nations with say twelve people to
> > a room you would need fewer nurses to care for them saving money.
>
> No real evidence that it has much effect on the number of nurses required.
>
> > So what do you think?
>
> I've given up on that thinking stuff, it just makes my head hurt.

There is one glaring problem with a government run system, fraud. And
the political cronies that will shove in more than the system can
afford. In the case of the funding with the costs and monies involved
even at just $600 a year one should be able to cover most procedures
in community hospitals. In those rare or very expensive cases one
could alot a small amount to specialty service hospitals and trauma
centers. Doctors will just have to take what pay they can make in the
system.

And with consistant long term care available with primary care in the
long run the need for expensive care should be reduced.

As for sending people abroad I never meant emergency procedures but
elective ones that can include cancer treatment and things such as hip
resurfacing or procedures that are not needed immediately like
stenting that is not in an emergency setting.

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TOPIC: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/91b29b33b75bb0d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 9:35 pm
From: "Ben Voigt [C++ MVP]"

"John Galt" <kady101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:WcU6l.47383$9i5.12930@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
> Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
>>> People do not like to leave their comfort zone, although that's not a
>>> wise choice.
>>
>> In most situations this is a wise choice.
>>
>> Innovations are only good if they produce new value. What new value is
>> produced by switching the home PC to Linux, given the fact that most
>> Linux software are not-so-well made clones of Windows software (like KDE
>> to Windows shell, OO to MS Office and so on?)
>>
>> The only value produced by such a move is due to Linux being free, but
>> sorry, this is not about any _supported_ distros like RHEL.
>>
>> As about the corporate network - saving money on software while losing it
>> on 2-times-as-large IT department (and yes, the switch will require so) -
>> is a bad idea.
>
> Uh.....bullshit.
>
> My company has 8,000 copies of our infrastructure software running in
> shops all over the world. The Linux shops are always smaller than the
> Windows shops. (Flat out, you need fewer Linux servers to serve a given
> number of users than Windows servers.)

Fewer servers doesn't equate to fewer people. And it's not clear what you
meant by "smaller" -- people, number of branch offices, number of licenses
purchased, etc.

>
> JG
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 4 2009 9:53 pm
From: John Galt

Ben Voigt [C++ MVP] wrote:
>
>
> "John Galt" <kady101@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WcU6l.47383$9i5.12930@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
>>>> People do not like to leave their comfort zone, although that's not
>>>> a wise choice.
>>>
>>> In most situations this is a wise choice.
>>>
>>> Innovations are only good if they produce new value. What new value
>>> is produced by switching the home PC to Linux, given the fact that
>>> most Linux software are not-so-well made clones of Windows software
>>> (like KDE to Windows shell, OO to MS Office and so on?)
>>>
>>> The only value produced by such a move is due to Linux being free,
>>> but sorry, this is not about any _supported_ distros like RHEL.
>>>
>>> As about the corporate network - saving money on software while
>>> losing it on 2-times-as-large IT department (and yes, the switch will
>>> require so) - is a bad idea.
>>
>> Uh.....bullshit.
>>
>> My company has 8,000 copies of our infrastructure software running in
>> shops all over the world. The Linux shops are always smaller than the
>> Windows shops. (Flat out, you need fewer Linux servers to serve a
>> given number of users than Windows servers.)
>
> Fewer servers doesn't equate to fewer people. And it's not clear what
> you meant by "smaller" -- people, number of branch offices, number of
> licenses purchased, etc.

Fewer headcount.

>
>>
>> JG
>>

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