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Today's topics:
* Outrage; stimulus package would give checks to illegal aliens. - 9 messages,
9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c7f4da370de8791e?hl=en
* High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/222ab29674477495?hl=en
* the fabulous entertainment problem - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/522d3e74bf1ce86b?hl=en
* feds want your medical records - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/453e01859e9f99b0?hl=en
* Breathe Rite nasal strips - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/affd6583ec4f642b?hl=en
* Aspirin May be an Inexpensive Tonic for the Liver - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/27090c8fb854fd3a?hl=en
* Have you ever ate roadkill? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8270986512a793d6?hl=en
* INSANITY OR TREASON?: Bankrupt California vows, "You'll get free 4th liver
tran$plant only if you're an ILLEGAL ALIEN" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e3c8dc801ff329fd?hl=en
* "Expect Massive Layoffs In 2009", say top economists. Let's see if Obama
pushes amnesty for ILLEGAL ALIENS in spite of this. - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/fef115bd17c9d06a?hl=en
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TOPIC: Outrage; stimulus package would give checks to illegal aliens.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c7f4da370de8791e?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 11:16 am
From: GLOBALIST
On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> ted
Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 11:51 am
From: "ricok987"
By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
"undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
punished to the maimum allowable.
"GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> ted
Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:03 pm
From: roid@ihearthussien.org
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:16:47 -0800 (PST), GLOBALIST
<free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>>
>> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>>
>> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>
>> ted
>
>Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
>each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
>Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
Spend their money just like you do? So can the guy who double-charged
my debit card last week. He can spend it just like I would have.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:15 pm
From: Major Debacle
ricok987 wrote:
> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
> punished to the maimum allowable.
By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right? You know *comma* people
that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.
> "GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>>
>> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>>
>> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>
>> ted
>
> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
>
>
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:34 pm
From: "Woody"
"Major Debacle" <Major_Debacle@the_pentagon.mil> wrote in message
news:u7ogl.12577$as4.6808@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> ricok987 wrote:
>> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
>> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
>> punished to the maimum allowable.
>
> By undocumented you mean illegal *comma* right? You know *comma* people
> that higher *hire* the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if
> found guilty should be punished to the maimum *maximum* allowable.
Actually, I think he meant "maimum." What "maimum" means is another
question.
Woody
>
>
>> "GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>>>
>>> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>>>
>>> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>>
>>> ted
>>
>> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
>> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
>> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
>>
>>
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:52 pm
From: axiom
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:51:50 -0500, ricok987 wrote:
> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher the
> "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty should be
> punished to the maimum allowable.
> "GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>>
>> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>>
>> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>
>> ted
>
> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
How much of that would American workers have paid into Social Security
and Medicare anyway, if illegals hadn't taken their jobs while driving
wages down?
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:02 pm
From: "GeekBoy"
So what you are saying is that people should be able to profit from their
crimes?
"GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> ted
Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 2:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
axiom wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:51:50 -0500, ricok987 wrote:
>
>> By undocumented you mean illegal right? You know people that higher
>> the "undocumented" are also breaking the law and if found guilty
>> should be punished to the maimum allowable.
>> "GLOBALIST" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>>>
>>> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>>>
>>> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>>
>>> ted
>>
>> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
>> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
>> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
> How much of that would American workers have paid into Social
> Security and Medicare anyway, if illegals hadn't taken their jobs
None given that the unemployment rate bottomed at 4.x%
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 4:46 pm
From: Frog Britches <@rib.it>
wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> ted
Congress recommended a much needed increase of 25% in disabled Veterans
Compensation in 2007. Where is it?
Surely Disable Veterans are as deserving as Illegal Aliens?
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TOPIC: High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/222ab29674477495?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:37 pm
From: "h"
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
news:3_WdnYe5mI-QdxzUnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@posted.visi...
> tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
>
>> Carbonated beverages are another thing (even sugar-free) human beings
>> don't need.
>
> Ah, but beer is naturally carbonated. Real beer, anyhow. And in the
> old days, was often safer to drink than the water.
>
> Dave
Beer (like Champagne and some Meads) is "sparkling", not "carbonated". And
yes, there are still places today where I'd MUCH sooner trust the beer :)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:20 pm
From: "Woody"
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:glt41m$22an$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>
> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
> news:3_WdnYe5mI-QdxzUnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@posted.visi...
>> tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
>>
>>> Carbonated beverages are another thing (even sugar-free) human beings
>>> don't need.
>>
>> Ah, but beer is naturally carbonated. Real beer, anyhow. And in the
>> old days, was often safer to drink than the water.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Beer (like Champagne and some Meads) is "sparkling", not "carbonated". And
> yes, there are still places today where I'd MUCH sooner trust the beer :)
I assume Pittsburgh is not one of those places.
Woody
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TOPIC: the fabulous entertainment problem
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/522d3e74bf1ce86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:25 pm
From: "JonquilJan"
Library. Most of them not only have books and magazines - but also videos
and DVD's - if you have a VCR and/or DVD player.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
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TOPIC: feds want your medical records
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/453e01859e9f99b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:38 pm
From: "JonquilJan"
They can have mine. They paid for most of it anyway
(Medicare/Disability/Age)
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
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TOPIC: Breathe Rite nasal strips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/affd6583ec4f642b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 2:46 pm
From: Dave
On Jan 29, 11:24 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
> >They are really a great product,
>
> Can they really help with snoring tho?
Its funny but they help me a great deal, reducing my snoring. They
don't do that for my wife, who snores just as easily with or without
one on. But, she claims that she has a lot more restful sleep with one
on. I think that may be worth 20 cents a night right there.
Dave
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 7:41 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Dave <djensen36@cox.net> wrote:
>Its funny but they help me a great deal, reducing my snoring. They
>don't do that for my wife, who snores just as easily with or without
>one on. But, she claims that she has a lot more restful sleep with one
>on. I think that may be worth 20 cents a night right there.
Agree
Will give them a try!
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TOPIC: Aspirin May be an Inexpensive Tonic for the Liver
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/27090c8fb854fd3a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 3:18 pm
From: meow2222@care2.com
Dave wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:00 pm, josejar...@ssnet.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:13 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Marsha
> >
> > <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> > > Dr. Wajahat
> > >> Mehal, MD, PhD, from Yale School of Medicine (New Haven, CT).
> >
> > What asprin manufacturer was he paid by?
>
> Oooow , . . Thats pretty hard core paranoid, eh? However, Bayer is
> located in CT also! Actually, aspirin research is ongoing all over the
> world, and it would be tough for one company to "pay off" research on
> such a large front!
>
> Dave
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22237
OTOH that sort of research is usually limited to patented drugs.
But then again, if it allows release of some things too toxic now, the
aspirin research would be a remarkably high return investment for any
pharm co.
NT
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 4:14 pm
From: westom1@gmail.com
On Jan 29, 6:18 pm, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> OTOH that sort of research is usually limited to patented drugs.
> But then again, if it allows release of some things too toxic now, the
> aspirin research would be a remarkably high return investment for any
> pharm co.
If one is taking aspirin, then one is not taking Tylenol. Problem
was known even in the early 1970s. Acetaminophen causes liver damage
if taken with drinking alcohol. Is aspirin protecting the liver, or
just causing the user to not damage his liver by taking
Acetaminophen? Without first viewing the numbers, speculation would
easily promote aspirin as a solution rather than address Acetaminophen
as the problem. Well call that propaganda or spin.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 4:45 pm
From: Dave
On Jan 29, 5:14 pm, west...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 6:18 pm, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
>
> > OTOH that sort of research is usually limited to patented drugs.
> > But then again, if it allows release of some things too toxic now, the
> > aspirin research would be a remarkably high return investment for any
> > pharm co.
>
> If one is taking aspirin, then one is not taking Tylenol. Problem
> was known even in the early 1970s. Acetaminophen causes liver damage
> if taken with drinking alcohol. Is aspirin protecting the liver, or
> just causing the user to not damage his liver by taking
> Acetaminophen? Without first viewing the numbers, speculation would
> easily promote aspirin as a solution rather than address Acetaminophen
> as the problem. Well call that propaganda or spin.
Reading the science, it appears that one daily, tiny aspirin (St.
Joseph's baby aspirin, as one example) can protect the liver from the
large doses of acetaminophen that people tend to pop without even
thinking about it.
Dave
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TOPIC: Have you ever ate roadkill?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 4:00 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Jan 26, 9:00 pm, KevinS <sheeh...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 8:40 pm, "MarieD" <a...@123.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder why it would be illegal?
>
> Going back to my prosecutor days of 30 years ago,
> my state at the time (Washington) had a law which
> basically said that if you killed a deer while driving,
> the carcass belonged to the state, and the meat was supposed to be
> used to feed prisoners or others in
> state custody. Converting the carcass to your own
> use was punishable by fines and jail. I had first
> heard that from my grandfather, who was a state
> game officer. I don't know whether that is still the
> law.
>
> My memory of this is faint and I may be forgetting
> some of the details. Nor can I speak for other
> states.
That sounds about right; it would also prevent people from using their
car to "oops...kllled a deer...oh well...I can put it in my freezer
now" thinking. I think some states also donate the carcass to
homeless shelters as food.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 7:40 pm
From: "h"
"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e3b4433e-32a4-4bb6-9d35-60ac7aed4bfd@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 9:00 pm, KevinS <sheeh...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 8:40 pm, "MarieD" <a...@123.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder why it would be illegal?
>
> Going back to my prosecutor days of 30 years ago,
> my state at the time (Washington) had a law which
> basically said that if you killed a deer while driving,
> the carcass belonged to the state, and the meat was supposed to be
> used to feed prisoners or others in
> state custody. Converting the carcass to your own
> use was punishable by fines and jail. I had first
> heard that from my grandfather, who was a state
> game officer. I don't know whether that is still the
> law.
>
> My memory of this is faint and I may be forgetting
> some of the details. Nor can I speak for other
> states.
>That sounds about right; it would also prevent people from using their
>car to "oops...kllled a deer...oh well...I can put it in my freezer
>now" thinking. I think some states also donate the carcass to
>homeless shelters as food.
Back in the days before everyone and his dog, Spartexticus, had a cell
phone, I used to have 3-4 people a year come to my door because they'd hit a
deer. I knew the encon (upstate NY) number by heart and the guy would
usually arrive at the same time as the tow truck. He'd ask if the driver
wanted the deer and since it was always early morning (foggy) the driver
would say no, since he/she was headed to work. Plus, the vehicle was toast,
so how would they get it home? The encon guy would then ask if I wanted it,
and I always said no. He'd haul it into the truck and head off . I have no
idea what he did with it. I do know that he had to be called when a deer was
hit, you couldn't just decide to take the deer away on your own.
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TOPIC: INSANITY OR TREASON?: Bankrupt California vows, "You'll get free 4th
liver tran$plant only if you're an ILLEGAL ALIEN"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 4:15 pm
From: hpope@lycos.com
On Jan 29, 2:02 pm, "guybanniste...@aol.com" <guybanniste...@aol.com>
wrote:
> Excerpt:
>
> "It's for the children: unfortunately not YOUR children ...
>
> "Yes, America has a soft spot in its heart for Children,
> Firefighters, Nurses and Bambi. But how these iconic images are
> manipulated to direct funding decisions, union affairs and political
> actions is often as shameful as it is misleading.
>
> "At a time when our healthcare infrastructure is crumbling under the
> assault of illegal aliens who use emergency rooms as their primary
> care facilities and are overburdening our hospital's maternity rooms
> in the quest to create "anchor" babies, someone must make some
> rational decisions.
> January 29, 2009
>
> "Consider for a moment the following story …
>
> 'Ana Puente was an infant with a liver disorder when her aunt
> brought her illegally to the U.S. to seek medical care. She underwent
> two liver transplants at UCLA Medical Center as a child in 1989 and a
> third in 1998, each paid for by the state.'
>
> 'But when Puente turned 21 last June, she aged out of her state-
> funded health insurance and was unable to continue treatment at UCLA.'
>
> 'This year, her liver began failing again and she was hospitalized
> at County-USC Medical Center. In her Medi-Cal application, a USC
> doctor wrote, 'Her current clinical course is irreversible,
> progressive and will lead to death without another liver transplant.'
> The application was denied. The county gave her medication but does
> not have the resources to perform transplants.'
>
> 'Late last month Puente learned of another, little-known option for
> patients with certain healthcare needs. If she notified U.S.
> Citizenship and Immigration Services that she was in the country
> illegally, state health officials might grant her full Medi-Cal
> coverage. Puente did so, her benefits were restored and she is now
> awaiting a fourth transplant at UCLA' ...
>
> Read the full article at:http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2009/01/its-for-the-children-unfort...
Insanity!
mitch
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TOPIC: "Expect Massive Layoffs In 2009", say top economists. Let's see if
Obama pushes amnesty for ILLEGAL ALIENS in spite of this.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 9:07 pm
From: "Long Ranger"
It's easier for the governments to give the Mexicans amnesty and get
them to pay a small fine and select the year that they want to pay
taxes for, rather than to get American-Americans trained to do ag work
or to bring Negros from the slums of Detroit, Baltimore or Cleveland
to do the jobs that Mexicans are doing now.
So, you don't buy the theory that we started paying our own people, and
especially blacks, to stay home and live on welfare? Take a look at the rise
of the welfare state, and you will notice that Mexican immigration follows
right on it's heels, especially from the 1950s onward. Liberal social policy
debased our native work force, and the only place to get cheap labor was
Mexico. Or am I missing something?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 9:37 pm
From: "."
On Jan 29, 9:07 pm, "Long Ranger" <worpylorpk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> So, you don't buy the theory that we started paying our own people, and
> especially blacks, to stay home and live on welfare? Take a look at the rise
> of the welfare state, and you will notice that Mexican immigration follows
> right on it's heels, especially from the 1950s onward. Liberal social policy
> debased our native work force, and the only place to get cheap labor was
> Mexico. Or am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing the larger history of Mexican illegal immigration.
Mexicans living on Spanish/Mexican land grants in the ceded
territories after the War with Mexico were poor managers. They were
illiterate and proud of that fact, because it proved that they were
*Old Christians*, not Jew or Muslims who had converted to Roman
Catholicism in the mid-16th century.
The Mexicans failed to register their land grant paperwork with the
territorial governments and the cow hide and tallow market also
collapsed, so they had no way of paying their taxes to the state
governments.
The Mexicans who didn't give up and return to Mexico gradually died
off in the next half century after the War with Mexico.
In the interim, California growers brought in Chinese and Japanese
peasants to
farm their land, but this was undesireable to White agricultural
workers who thought that California was going to be overrun with
Asians.
The cheap Mexican farm labor began flooding into the southwestern USA
about 1915, during the power struggle between Mexican political
leaders after the last revolution, the one that brought the
Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) to power.
There was also an infuenza epidemic and famine in Mexico. I know an 80
year old Mexican man whose parents *walked* from Sonora to central
California in the early part of the 20th century to get jobs picking
fruit.
He picked fruit with them until the Great Depression, when Mexicans
were repatriated (with the consent of the Mexican consulates under the
aegis of an organization called the Comision Honorifica) in order to
open up jobs for Americans.
He and his family were among those who stayed in California by moving
to the barrios of East Los Angeles and working as laborers.
During WW2, there were 16 million Americans in uniform, so America
started the Bracero program to bring in contract temporary farm
laborers. But some of the Mexicans didn't want to live on the farms as
they were contracted to do, they snuck away to the towns and found
humble jobs as they could.
The Mexicans complained, "We're good enough to work in your fields,
but not good enough to live in your towns."
Gradually the Mexican population built up and the ex-GI's who had
worked on farms before WW2 didn't go back to their old jobs, they took
factory jobs and lived in the larger towns.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 10:08 pm
From: "Long Ranger"
"." <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ac23ebb-0517-4b80-aa62-5cf52ac7560d@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 9:07 pm, "Long Ranger" <worpylorpk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> So, you don't buy the theory that we started paying our own people, and
> especially blacks, to stay home and live on welfare? Take a look at the
> rise
> of the welfare state, and you will notice that Mexican immigration follows
> right on it's heels, especially from the 1950s onward. Liberal social
> policy
> debased our native work force, and the only place to get cheap labor was
> Mexico. Or am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing the larger history of Mexican illegal immigration.
Mexicans living on Spanish/Mexican land grants in the ceded
territories after the War with Mexico were poor managers. They were
illiterate and proud of that fact, because it proved that they were
*Old Christians*, not Jew or Muslims who had converted to Roman
Catholicism in the mid-16th century.
The Mexicans failed to register their land grant paperwork with the
territorial governments and the cow hide and tallow market also
collapsed, so they had no way of paying their taxes to the state
governments.
The Mexicans who didn't give up and return to Mexico gradually died
off in the next half century after the War with Mexico.
In the interim, California growers brought in Chinese and Japanese
peasants to
farm their land, but this was undesireable to White agricultural
workers who thought that California was going to be overrun with
Asians.
The cheap Mexican farm labor began flooding into the southwestern USA
about 1915, during the power struggle between Mexican political
leaders after the last revolution, the one that brought the
Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) to power.
There was also an infuenza epidemic and famine in Mexico. I know an 80
year old Mexican man whose parents *walked* from Sonora to central
California in the early part of the 20th century to get jobs picking
fruit.
He picked fruit with them until the Great Depression, when Mexicans
were repatriated (with the consent of the Mexican consulates under the
aegis of an organization called the Comision Honorifica) in order to
open up jobs for Americans.
He and his family were among those who stayed in California by moving
to the barrios of East Los Angeles and working as laborers.
During WW2, there were 16 million Americans in uniform, so America
started the Bracero program to bring in contract temporary farm
laborers. But some of the Mexicans didn't want to live on the farms as
they were contracted to do, they snuck away to the towns and found
humble jobs as they could.
The Mexicans complained, "We're good enough to work in your fields,
but not good enough to live in your towns."
Gradually the Mexican population built up and the ex-GI's who had
worked on farms before WW2 didn't go back to their old jobs, they took
factory jobs and lived in the larger towns.
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